Red Hot Chili Plagiarists?

hes got apoint there. blatant is the only word you can use in this case. i knew they had no talent for songwriting.

even if I had written it.

More fool to the fuckwits who were stupid enough to rip it off.

It was hardly an inspired tune was it? I swear there was a supergrass song which has a near identical intro.

by Razorlight and The Cure's 10:15 saturday night - also verrry similar.

much more blatant than the new rhodes / editors one.

that it could have been accidental.

But theres no way it could have been. That's pure plagiarism, but why would they do that?

sounds JUST like that britney spears single - do something

it really does

Logged*

That damn song was on the radio as I was driving home. I usually turn it off as soon as I hear that tosser whining on about places in the US that I'm never going too. For some reason, probably the gin, I left the song playing and I heard that terrible sub-hendrix outro to the song. What the hell kind of a name is 'Flea' as well? Its probably the equivalent of being called 'Squeaky' in the UK

That's shockingly bad. Like Come As You Are/Eighties.

Ridiculously obvious that like.

No way was that an accident, they've ripped it wholesale!

More of a tribute than plagiarism, no?

nice one millionaire

Is so amazing a song, albeit a rip off it makes me wish that Cat Stevens's 'Father And Son' never existed in the first place despite it being a great song.

I also wish Boyzone's 'Father and Son' never existed.

I also wish Roanan Keating and Yusuf Islam's 'Father And Son' never existed.

I also wish Ronan Keating never existed.

Yusuf Islam wishes that Salman Rushdie no longer existed.

I wish the Islamic faith never ABANDON POST.

Is New Rhodes' song from 2001 though?

Off 'In it for the money'

By listening to both songs completely, you will hear two very different tales and get two very different images. Good music is good music.
The chili peppers have always paid respect to music as a language and a force in itself. They have devoted much of themselves to it. I hear many of the influences of the musical forefathers, in this album. It's a nice positive force for good. I can choose to be negative and thumb them for plagerism, or I could just appreciate the good music, it's my choice.
Let me see....
No one talks about the cable sports show that plagerised a speech from the "West Wing". That's much weirder to me...

when i heard it. doesn't stop it being a good song though.

The chillis are just no good now they are healthy. Go back to a good diet of smack and amphetamines (spelling? in work on 3 hours sleep...doh) and maybe things will start to improve a bit, but I doubt it, the money smells tooooooo good!

Probably one of the greatest bassists in modern rock music is a talentless cunt. I do see where you are coming from. Hmmm.

its far to similar..the RHCP new song isnt even that good

what a joke. RHCP new album is really overrated. why can't they bring back songs like scar tissue?! tsk

i love you !!!
RHCP are the worst band of all time

still playin the same funk rock slap bass whiney shit theyve been playing for the past 20 years - winge winge im a rockstar i take drugs in california

and to be honest theyve been ripping themselves off for the last 10 years

i cant stand them at all
apart from whoever it was that appeared in back to the future 2 :)

in fact i hate everyone...

I signed up to this site about a month ago and realised I've only slated people since. Bitterness runs deep within, talk about something good so i can stop being angry!

I have faithfully followed the Peppers since '87 when I first saw them at a college assembly hall. I was blown away. And I still am today. Flea, (obviously a moniker born of his height) used to almost exclusively slap his base as is the style of the harder punk/funk style of their roots. Recent albums put out by the Peppers show a maturation of style that you vitamin c deficient wastes of air and food seem to be unable to comprehend. Flea has changed his style in an obvious way if you are able to actually clean all the shit out of your ears and listen to the music. He incorporates much more to his playing than simply slapping the base around, he is playing complicated extended chords requiring plucking as well as the aforementioned thumb slapping. He is immensely talented and contributes in no small way to their enduring unique sound.

Now, to address this plagiarism thing, I won't deny the two songs sound similar, but the over feeling I get from each of these are decidedly different. Tom Petty has such a range of style that you would hardly know if let’s say you were from Mars and never heard of him that he was the same guy who wrote Free Fallin' or I Wont Back Down is the same as Mary Jane's Last Dance. (And yes, assholes, were just talking about the tunes here and not lyrics. 'cause who couldn't pick out Tom Petty's voice)So, my point is, if this great musician has such a broad style in his discography, does it not stand to reason that any band whose style is a bit more confined to specific genres may hit upon a similar single. I'm sure if you pathetic wannabes listen long enough you'll even find retarded people who sound like you.

not...

The chilli peppers are only bearable when the bass both plays a smaller role and is easily ignored, cue 1/2 by the way and 1/2 californication. Something like 1 in 4 men own the former because its a good pop record - unlike the bass-tastic nonsense aimed at, and you know its true, 12 year old boys.

I wouldn't disagree, I may in fact be overestimating them, as I do not know them personally. I do not, however feel I am underestimating them, as so many of the other posts may be doing.

I like some songs by Tom Petty. I like most songs on this Chili Peppers Album. It makes me happy. I choose to be happy. There is lot of negative, crappy stuff happening in the world, so rather than jump on the hypothesis of some American DJ looking for more attention for himself (with comparisons that were made long before he "discovered this outrageous plagerism") I choose to pay my hard earned money for a little silver circular disc that will play music in my cd player. The music makes me dance, it makes me happy, it fills me with some sort of good feeling. Believe me, I appreciate the good feelings.
It's all down to personal opinion.
Of which we all have several.
Personally, I think there's a song on Jack Johnson's album that has the same intro to Sympathy for The Devil, and if I can get really obscure, there is a U2 song that "borrows" from an Aha album.
So what?
Some band is on the radio that decided they want to sound like both Lennon and McCartney.
But all these posts of anger and outrage kind of skip some of the facts. Many people posting probably own neither album, they just need a place to say things. Many people skip the fact that Warner Bros. Records signs BOTH BANDS!!! Tom Petty and the Chili Peppers - what was the record company up to? They aren't going to let the chili peppers release an album without listening to it first.
Jesus.
Perhaps we should all go back to our own writing original songs and our big hit bands right?

if you listen close and know anything about music, the journalist put flea's bass line and chad's drum part behind tom petty's intro, which in turn speeds up the tempo. the original tom petty song is slower. also, listen to the chords, they aren't exactly the same, they may be in the same key, but not the same. not to mention, the choruses are completely different and the singing style is different.

just some things you should have paid attention to before ripping on one of the best bands around.

come now simms funk is just a camped-up, ridiculous peversion of early 70s soul. White funk is even worse. Go take mushrooms and listen to George Clinton or put on scartissue and air-guitar along. Don't embarrass yourself with an "awesome, dude" compromise.

yours = you're
solo's = solos

good luck with your GCSEs.

*sigh*
...you people.

amen brotha

i meant try to say

apparently victoria newton got the scoop on this LOL
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,4-2006240428,00.html
die, victoria, die.

'I've noticed they sound the same'. Does she take the credit for everything? She'll probably say she wrote the song next

because that implies johnny borrell can get his head out of his arse long enough to listen to other peoples' music. and i just can't see that ever happening

I like the way no-one even dignified this guy with a response...ha!

I like this bit from the above post...so very true.

"Personally..I don't really think"

Can anyone deny that?

i found something out that someone else mightve said but im gonna say it anyway...rick rubin/warner bros produced the stadium arcadium album (including dani california)...guess who produced mary jane's last dance?...rick rubin (for warner bros)...and that pretty much closes the argument

but you gotta admit, it makes funny reading...

ha ha ha...what, because I don't like the red hot chilli peppers, I must be a guns and roses fan?

ha ha ha

HA HA HA HA

HAAAA HAAAA! HAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!!

oh you morons, you crack me up. I'm glad there's a band for you though, really I am.

Yes, I can see a certain similarity in the chord sequence, but the Tom Petty song sounds like a Bob Dylan rip - off anyway. Pots and bloody kettles.

The more important issue is that Stadium Arcadium is watered-down toss. RHCP were once great, but the poster who said they're plagiarising themselves hit the nail on the head. There is such a thing as retiring gracefully and living off the royalties of your good songs...

pretty similar

unfortunately its getting more and more common...

kasabian cutt off rips off radiohead just

pilate famously had some song that ripped off mogwai 2rights...
i think that one went to court

The chord progression - Yes, in the verses

The melody - what melody? Monotone shit

The tempo - Erm, no. If you mean rythm... no.-

what, so the chilli peppers did it in 3/4? did they fuck. The drummer playing a different bit here and there on the hi hat doesn't mean shit. Its still a rip off. The Tom Shitty song was probably too difficult for those assholes to work out how to copy exactly

The key - Have you heard of the chord progression C Am F (or Dm) G or Am F C G? These are the basic chords in many many songs, and the majority of the songs are played in this key.

Yes I have heard of those (C, Am, F, G was the first progression I learned on the guitar, when I was twelve. How I wish I'd come across the RHCP first...there stuff is far less testing.

As someone who can write proper songs, I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole. There is more to writing songs than coming up with a tired lyrical theme, sellotaping it to a 'groove' based around three chords that a thousand other losers have already used.

nor would I rip off a Tom Shitty song

The lyrical theme -There's a theme called "love". Please make an article of plagiarism on this theme and I'll agree with you.

The theme of 'love' in its Many and varied guises is a lot further reaching than. "Her name was **** and she's from minnesota/michigan/delaware her pappy was a gambler/alchoholic/transvestite/yer mam and her mammy was a hooker/Margaret Thatcher/yer fucking mam"

They're identical - No, they're not.

Yes, they are. SO the choruses are different. Whoopty Shit. They are lame choruses, shit songs, shit 'artists' I hope the RHCP tourbus crashes into the Tom Shitty tour bus and the burning wreckage falls into a spikey ravine, leaving no survivors

IS this thread still going? The Chilli's really did have something to say at one point. They were relevant and did make music that acted as some kind of alternative to a stagnant scene. FACT. They now are the stagnant scene, the write laxy music and are happy with their new found stadium fame that has come with this lazy music. Flea is a talented musician and can play all sorts of styles, but the reason I simply can't stand him is because his bass playing is part of an overall sound that says nothing at all.

Simple chords, simple rhythms, simple melodies. If you had said this kind of thing to the band 10 years ago they probably would have stabbed you in the eyes with a needle, now this is something to be proud of according to half the fans commenting on this article.

The Chilli's are akin to U2 really. Made something good when they were young and angry, make something shit now they are old, rich and lazy. If the fans of old don't wanna move on then that's cool, just don't tell me they are still one of the best bands around as that is simply not true.

Oh, and I play bass too, and I'm pretty good, but if I ever heard anyone saying I was responsible for the success of my band I'd be pretty worried at what my band was saying...

kisses to all you lovely people.
xx

bollocks.

You're obviously someone who masturbates daily over his Red Hot Shitty Peppers records- hence registering for this site JUST to post on this subject

Whatever kind of musician you are doesn't mean diddly squat

a) because I'm a fantastic musician, and can toss out original ideas like you shit every morning

and

b) You like the Red Shit Hotty Peepees

"hence registering for this site JUST to post on this subject"
Yes I am. This article has some really stupid comments and they need to get back on track, if not this site will go down.

"Whatever kind of musician you are doesn't mean diddly squat"
Erm, okay... It actually do. The writer of this article seems not to be, he doesnt even seem to know what music is since he's complaining over two songs with some similarities in the verses.

"a) because I'm a fantastic musician, and can toss out original ideas like you shit every morning"
a) Then you could maybe search for a place in RHCP.
and
b) I dont shit at mornings
and
c) If I did it would be the other way around

"b) You like the Red Shit Hotty Peepees"
I don't know, never heard of them. Is that your band?

*scratches arse*

join the red hot chilli peppers?

Why, they are totally shit...

Quite rightly said...

The Chilli Peppers are amazing band they are lyrically strong aswell as they have different mechanism's of lyrical contents that can display methoidcal outlooks.

I personally myself, like them and admire them like most bands today have had the direction given the nature of anthony kiedis's historical background I personally would execute them as a blending favourite of my own to distinguish and characteristically give them fullened access to the society trends their amazing.

I think they have so much flavour despite the artificial bands today that are a poor mans version of them and their new materials are awsome, they have the best blends mathematically expanding them to be the best band arguably in the world today nevermind the bands that around and the ba's follow their amazingly good.

They have the sounds they have the flavour they have the thing to be, if they never then they wouldn't be where they are musically at current their an original band, their everything that today isn't so Plagiarism in self defense mechanism's could be the reasons of the reasonal internal post moderate aftermath of the current, aspect of the currents.

:-)

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I really can't see your point, so I will stop discussing this article now (as long as someone is not coming with someting I need to comment).

Hwey Lewis & the news sounds alot like Ray Parker Jr. ghostbusters as well....he sued. They sounded more like eachother than Petty and Chili Peppers.

I highly think it was intended, they might have just had the beat in their head..and not realized it. I highly think that the beat can be plagorized...that is like someone making a movie and another movie suing them because the guy lives in the end...honestly. People have nothing better to do these days than sue. Petty is washed up and wants money.

ha ha ha ha

another wanker who signed up for this message board just to rave about some shit band for mental dwarfs...

Yes I'm British. Maybe some americans would say the word rubbish. We eat medium quantities of good quality food in this country, rather than mountains of brightly coloured shit, as I discovered when I visited your great country last year. Have you ever visited Britain? Come to think of it, have you ever left the state, nay town you were spawned in?

Room temperature beer is very nice. Whilst I am partial to the odd pint of lager, you can beat a nice, free from artificial ingredients pint of bitter. mmm. Its not the same as leaving a bottle of that pisswater you yanks like out of the fridge for a couple of hours. Totally different 'ballgame' (see how I can drop americanesque phrases into the conversation, as we here in Britain don't celebrate cultural ignorance...well, not as much as we are lead to believe you septics do.)

Smoke pot? Listen to the Chilli peppers? Not on your fucking nelly. I like to smoke weed, but it would send me straight to whiteysville, population me if I had to listen to that tired old shite.

If knocking a shit band and its mindless fans is being an asshole, then smell me baby.

For all the "haters" out there. I thought of you when I read this. Peace.

http://www.therockradio.com/2006/06/red-hot-chili-peppers-not-in-trouble.html