ATP 2002: Barry's Story
Mr Barry Hogan reveals all on his website, sorry I mean the All Tomorrow's Parties website.
After calling people who had genuine complaints about this years festival, "miserable fucking pricks," "soap dodging students," and "tossers" Mr Hogan then cleared up the story about the bigger venue:
"Yes I wrote a dream sequence and wanted to see if any of you were awake and mentioned about the move to a bigger site. We are NOT moving to a bigger site, it was a dream and I was testing your reaction. It will be at Camber Sands on April 19-21 2002. Ticket will go on sale in May and again it will be £100 + booking fee, a free CD, 3 nights accommodation and around 27-30 bands. This is not a rip off and far from it."
After calling people who had genuine complaints about this years festival, "miserable fucking pricks," "soap dodging students," and "tossers" Mr Hogan then cleared up the story about the bigger venue:
"Yes I wrote a dream sequence and wanted to see if any of you were awake and mentioned about the move to a bigger site. We are NOT moving to a bigger site, it was a dream and I was testing your reaction. It will be at Camber Sands on April 19-21 2002. Ticket will go on sale in May and again it will be £100 + booking fee, a free CD, 3 nights accommodation and around 27-30 bands. This is not a rip off and far from it."
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ATP 2002: Barry's Story
he seems to have finally pissed off a lot of people, someone who posts on the ATP message board has emailed his latest rant to Bob Weston now, not sure what Fugazi will make of it all.
Bob on Barry
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:02:32 -0400
From: Bob Weston
Subject: Re: a message from the organiser of ATP
Re: Barry Hogan / ATP / Foundation.
This guy is one of the best promoters we've ever had the pleasure of
dealing with. Having been to some of the big-British-festivals-in-field
and then going to the past 2 ATPs, we in Shellac are really impressed.
I, like Barry, can't believe any of you guys are complaining. For $150
you get 3 nights of lodging and something like 30 bands. Plus a pub open
til 5AM with DJs (I played some records there this year). It's amazing.
The PA is excellent. The shows are indoors so they sound good and you
don't get rained on. Only something like 2500 people can get in, so the
shows are a lot more intimate and enjoyable for both the bands and the
listeners (it's a bummer to try and enjoy a band in a crowd of 10,000 or
more, don't you think?)
Obviously, nobody will like all the bands. Not even the members of
Tortoise all like all the bands chosen. I saw some bands this year that
I never would have gone to see if they were playing at a bar in Chicago.
I find the festival almost educational - you can get exposed to new
stuff chosen by people you trust.
Security is a touchy subject. Foundation is required by the local
council (the area government) to have 1 security person per 100
attendees or the show gets closed down (I think these figures are
correct). Good luck finding a security company where the employees
aren't muscle-bound meat-heads who don't seem to like music or people
who like music. Regardless of how cool the owners and managers of the
security company are, the rank and file always seem to be a bit of a
bummer. We plan on seeing if there's any way to make that better next
year. Any suggestions?
As for "people being ushered around like paying customers", I didn't
notice any of that. As for the "performers being out of the reach of the
general public", that's a crock too. That's one of the things we like
about this festival: both years I saw tons of performers in the crowd
watching shows, hanging around in the pub, getting some late night chips
in the weird little restaurant , etc.
Everyone at ATP seems like they're there for the right reason: because
they're music fans. Not because they're "making the scene" or think it's
important to "be seen" at a particular concert by a critically important
band, etc. Buying tickets to and getting to this place are not trivial
matters. It's a real commitment, and so it seems to us that the people
willing to make that commitment are not scenesters, but are true fans.
Atp gives us something that doesn't happen too often: it has a true
feeling of community. We're all there for the music.
I read Barry's rant and have to agree with him. He did point out that he
was ranting at the minority - the complainers.
My rant: What was the deal with all those kids sitting or lying down on
the floor during the shows, in random places all over the venues, in the
fucking dark for Christ's sake? It was all I could do to not crush
peoples' fingers or trip over them. If you are really that tired, at
least have the courtesy to get on the floor by the wall or in the back.
It's dark in there, dumbasses.
love.
bw
From: Bob Weston
Subject: Re: a message from the organiser of ATP
Re: Barry Hogan / ATP / Foundation.
This guy is one of the best promoters we've ever had the pleasure of
dealing with. Having been to some of the big-British-festivals-in-field
and then going to the past 2 ATPs, we in Shellac are really impressed.
I, like Barry, can't believe any of you guys are complaining. For $150
you get 3 nights of lodging and something like 30 bands. Plus a pub open
til 5AM with DJs (I played some records there this year). It's amazing.
The PA is excellent. The shows are indoors so they sound good and you
don't get rained on. Only something like 2500 people can get in, so the
shows are a lot more intimate and enjoyable for both the bands and the
listeners (it's a bummer to try and enjoy a band in a crowd of 10,000 or
more, don't you think?)
Obviously, nobody will like all the bands. Not even the members of
Tortoise all like all the bands chosen. I saw some bands this year that
I never would have gone to see if they were playing at a bar in Chicago.
I find the festival almost educational - you can get exposed to new
stuff chosen by people you trust.
Security is a touchy subject. Foundation is required by the local
council (the area government) to have 1 security person per 100
attendees or the show gets closed down (I think these figures are
correct). Good luck finding a security company where the employees
aren't muscle-bound meat-heads who don't seem to like music or people
who like music. Regardless of how cool the owners and managers of the
security company are, the rank and file always seem to be a bit of a
bummer. We plan on seeing if there's any way to make that better next
year. Any suggestions?
As for "people being ushered around like paying customers", I didn't
notice any of that. As for the "performers being out of the reach of the
general public", that's a crock too. That's one of the things we like
about this festival: both years I saw tons of performers in the crowd
watching shows, hanging around in the pub, getting some late night chips
in the weird little restaurant , etc.
Everyone at ATP seems like they're there for the right reason: because
they're music fans. Not because they're "making the scene" or think it's
important to "be seen" at a particular concert by a critically important
band, etc. Buying tickets to and getting to this place are not trivial
matters. It's a real commitment, and so it seems to us that the people
willing to make that commitment are not scenesters, but are true fans.
Atp gives us something that doesn't happen too often: it has a true
feeling of community. We're all there for the music.
I read Barry's rant and have to agree with him. He did point out that he
was ranting at the minority - the complainers.
My rant: What was the deal with all those kids sitting or lying down on
the floor during the shows, in random places all over the venues, in the
fucking dark for Christ's sake? It was all I could do to not crush
peoples' fingers or trip over them. If you are really that tired, at
least have the courtesy to get on the floor by the wall or in the back.
It's dark in there, dumbasses.
love.
bw
Re: Bob on Barry
i have to agree with this. complaining was ridiculous, ATP is what you make it. there no point just sitting in your chalet moaning that this years wasn't as good as last years.
Re: Bob on Barry
no there is a serious problem here. people have legitimate and serious complaints and when airing them all Barry has done is say "you're a smelly cunt." The man has never heard of constructive criticism and if he doesn't start listening to the fans then in 5 years time ATP will be no different to any other festival.
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