Further celebrity bitching: Waterman vs Doherty

waterman may have given us a load of crap bubblegum pop, but doherty gave us babyshambles and that, is just as fucking bad.

"Wait... was Kurt's guitar often in tune?"

Yes Diver, apart from the fairly short period when they were touring Nevermind and he was off his face on stage (Reading for instance) it actually was.

I hate the fact Kobain is remebered by some just for being a junkie - please don't drag him down to Dohertys level.

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...not remembered for his drugs. That said, I listened to the Sliver CD today... what a waste of plastic.

But it's interesting what Waterman says: that Doherty won't be a Hindrix or Cobain figure, in a million years.

Didn't both die drug-related deaths?
Couldn't Doherty do the same?
And a lot sooner than in a million years?

So: Waterman is wrong, right?

no one will remember that rock existed... ( if there's still someone to remember something )

To most non-Dis types is more remembered for his suicide.

:(

Which is - as you have just said - drug related.

Doherty is in my eyes a clown act, I don't think he's on his way out - I think its well staged for maximum press attention.

The only death he's facing is a media one when everyone FINALLY gets as bored with this playground banter about him as I am.

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yes, its a shame, but you can dis rick astley

all of those people, are ridiculously famous, more so than Doherty ever will. So, I don't think they really need to raise their profile by talking about someone who most of the general public know as Kate Moss' boyfriend.

Secondly, did you read the article in the Guardian on friday? Shooting up in front of the journalist and writing in blood on the wall. Rock on.

Shoot up in front of the Journalist, he just said he'd only talk about mainlining in an interview if he could actually mainline during the interview......

I think maybe he was joking??

I dunno, I think the solo acoustic stuff he's done is truly brilliant....
I like it, and I don't care... there's something for him to leave us with... I reckon if you listened to it without any pre-determined opinions about how much of a tabloid-fuelled junkie he is, and just listened to it, you may just like it.....

although Down In Albion is dissapointing......

of the pork pie hat and the military look. Yay!

can. Let's start with the hair, groove down to the suits then lay in to the voice...

Yeah but Pete W also gave us Mel&Kim, who were ACE, and also the pioneering techno single 'Roadblock'.

I don't think that SAW ever had songs the like of which Holland/Dozier/Holland wrote for Tamla Motown, or anywhere near the calibre of artists, but it was not a bad idea to try to re-create the idea of Berry Gordy's label. Despite my general hatred of manufactured pop, I've always had quite a lot of respect for Pete Waterman because I think he really does have a genuine love for pop music in all it's catchy transient disposable glory. Steps were an attempt to try to re-create the Abba formula, but without their ridiculously talented writing partnersips it was bound to fail. I can't necessarily fault the guy for trying. As for his statement. I think it is fair to say that Doherty will never write anything in the same league as 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' or 'Voodoo Chile'.

Perhaps the often drug-fuelled 'wild abandon' that attracts people to Pete Doherty would be better compared to the appeal of Iggy Pop, albeit a castrated lightweight version??

Yes, but that fact doesn't really set him apart from others does it? Everyone working in the big time music business is always gonna set their main goal as money.

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old article, just came across it. I have to say, does everyone really think Pete Doherty has no talent? The Libertines first album got how many 5 star reviews? Is that lack of talent? Just because he is a drug addict doesn't mean he has no talent. I'm sure he doesn't do heroin so he can make music. I'm sure he does heroin because he's addicted to it! How many heroin addicts have had success in music? Hmm....Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Iggy Pop, James Taylor, Keef Richards, Billie Holiday, Steve Earle, Kurt Cobain, Bradley Nowell, L. Cohen, Eric Clapton, Lou Reed, Jimmy Page, Izzy Stradlin, Slash, Nikki Sixx, Boy George, Robbin Crosby, Layne Staley, Jim Morrison. . . I could keep going, but the point is, these ppl didn't make music because of heroin. And Pete's on these ppl's level, make no mistake. What, Morrison couldn't tie Pete's shoes!
If you don't like the music, that's your opinion. But personal attacks are just childish and perhaps jealousy fueled.
Jesus, if this was the 70's or even the 80's, Pete would be like a god. That's back when ppl liked their rock stars dirty and off the wall as well as talented.
Now all anyone wants is sterile shite like franz ferdinand or the killers.

currently more famous than doherty. Where can i subscribe to your universe?