Mail On Sunday threatens legal action over Prince chart ruling
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The Mail on Sunday has threatened legal action against a ruling that means Prince’s new album Planet Earth, which will be given away in this Sunday’s (July 16) paper, will not be chart eligible.
The paper shelled out around £250,000 for licencing rights to the CD, which will be included with 2.9 million copies this weekend, and wants to see it in the charts.
MediaGuardian reports that Mail On Sunday managing director Stephen Miron sent a letter to the Official UK Charts Company.
It said: "Given our belief that this album should still be included on the official UK album charts and having responded to your issues, I would urge you to reconsider your previous position as a matter of urgency, before we engage our lawyers for legal advice to force a challenge to this restraint on our trade."
The Official UK Charts Company has explained its decision, quite reasonably one might have supposed, saying it could not prove that newspaper sales were "genuine consumer purchases" and that it could not audit sales accurately.
But oh no, Miron was having none of it, saying: "It's denying Prince his rights. It will be Number One in the UK chart and we think that's something that he should be able to do.
"The fact that they are referring back to rules put in place ages ago doesn't seem to fit with the way the music industry is now. I think they are mad."
According to Miron the paper is "considering its position" with regards to potential legal action.
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so
does this actually mean that prince is trying to "cheat" his way to #1?
the rules...
http://www.theofficialcharts.com/docs/NEW_Album_Chart_Rules_2007_2.pdf
i'm seeing 5.3 and 6.5 though neither would count it out totally. also this:
"If the packaging of an album adds value to the item, and could be sold in its own right, and does
not qualify for exemption under the clauses below it is considered to be a free gift and the record
is therefore ineligible for the Chart."
i suppose you could count the paper as packaging. it works for chips, don't it?
becks album
the information was chart ineligible because it contained stickers.
i mean, really, who bought the album just for the stickers*?
* - except for me
I remember the information
apparently we were buying the album for the stickers.... i dont recall legal action for that album.... which would of been more acceptable
Can I sue the Mail
For being a bunch of cunts?
SAme happened to Ikara Colt's
first album. Silly, sill, silly rule!
not that it would have charted
anyway...
How many
Mail On Sunday readers are likely to be Prince fans anyway? I can't imagine them slipping on their copy of 'Dirty Mind' and getting it on. Well, I can, but it's just wrong.
Daily Wail readers - Sexy Motherfuckers?
Will they be getting it on in the back of their caravans?
Will the cream be flowing as they struggle to contain the raging trouser snakes that lurk beneath their sta-prest leisure slacks?
Does anyone care?!
Chain Mail
This is all about the Mail selling newspapers not selling Prince albums. If they gave away - as they often do - a lame 'best of' would that particular album be eligible for chart positioning? No.
So why should Prince be the exception?
I think Prince's purple people may come to regret this one.
publicity stunt surely
there is no way a free giveaway could chart, just silly.
How many of the CDs will have found their way to Ebay by Monday morning? Hundreds I'm sure. Unless this stunt is being repeated world over, there will be lots of foreign buyers for this won't there?
Your "average" Daily Mail reader is probably more interested in Dire Straits
This whole thing is a pile of shite. Especially as I've now read that the album is apparently very good. I'm getting a copy anyway as I'm going to one of the gigs... it still feels 'tainted'.
humph
I like Dire Straits.
i don't remember there being this much fuss
over the NME's free White Stripes vinyl last month.
white stripes > prince?
There's
always one!
the reason why this isn't allowed to be charted
is because of asylum seekers and muslims coming over here and raping our culture
Much as I dislike the NME these days
that was a single track giveaway, which might even have helped them sell more copies of the record.
The equivalent would have been if they'd given away "Icky Thump" on CD, not a single track on vinyl.
And at any rate, the NME is merely written these days by a bunch of low-grade journalists who are patronising their target audience, which is still not on the same level as being a mouthpiece for right-wing bigotry...
I'm extremely surprised
that the Mail on Sunday would have thought for a second that this would be chart eligible as it clearly contravenes a number of rules
Why would they or Prince's people actually care about a chart placing if they are distributing close to 3 million CDs to the public? As far as I'm aware it would not exclude Prince from any MCPS royalties
The only thing I can think of is that the Mail on Sunday, in their contract with Prince's representative(s), had promised it WOULD be chart eligible and thus they face being sued by Prince for breach of contract
It doesn't look good for Stephen Miron
yes but they still COULD have kicked up a fuss
about a single they paid for not being permitted in the single chart, but they didn't. that is my only point.
It's a concept album designed to appeal to the core readership of this newspaper.
I can exclusively reveal the leaked tracklisting:
1. Will the unions scrounge off the Queen?
2. Could asylum seekers hurt Britain's swans?
3. Do lesbians destroy your mortgage?
4. Could immigrants impregnate homeowners?
5. Will teenage sex give your daughters cancer?
6. Will paedophiles rob farmers blind?
7. Does New Labour infect the Church of England with Aids?
8. Could suicide bombers wipe out your pension?
9. Do gays kill the memory of Diana?
10. Will single mothers tax the elderly?
Never realised that Prince got quarter of a million from the Heil on Sunday for this
Really sticking it to the man ain't he?
But its ridiculous to claim that this should chart. I bet when they gave away 'Summer Driving Anthems' or whatever in last week's issue they weren't arsed about that charting - and I'm sure the Mail's circulation is more than most record sales.
CD's like 'Summer Driving Anthems' from the Sunday Express/Mail make up half of my Mum's record collection. the other half is folk records from when she was a hippy in her youth. IRONY.
You could forgive me
for not working that out.
I doubt The White Stripes would give a toss if asked, mind.
Please fuck off...
Prince...and more to the point The Daily Mail. I don't care, and stop getting in the way of my life and taking up valuable head-space.
...
Ikara Colt?
HAHAHA!
First belly-laugh of the day. Cheers, Alex!
It seems like a daft idea anyway. If Prince is going to give away 3 million copies of his album, he won't make a groat in royalties from them, so unless he has stakes in The Mail, he...oh no...surely not!
By the way, someone mentioned Dirty Mind. Is he actually going to DO any of the 'good-era' stuff on his tour, anyway? I'd have thought his religious affiliations would forbid it. His new album's crap too. Probably. I don't know, 'cuase I'm never going to buy The Mail.
Sticking it to your mam
I don't recall Prince ever being about "sticking it to the man". He wants his music heard, this is a good way to ensure it is. Even if the overwhelming majority of Mail readers hate it, it's out there, and he's bound to catch people he wouldn't have via a traditional release.
eeeeexactly
so why does Prince?
we'll have the answer after this commercial break!
lol
Heil on Sunday
*writes that down*
HMV
...were selling the Mail today. And after the comments from their head honcho last week on the whole thing. Tut tut.
Seriously though, how could it possibly chart? They're selling the newspaper and giving away the CD, not selling the CD with the newspaper attached.
I remember when Prince...
...released that song Thunder in about 1992. I don't know why that one sprung to mind.
Basil, SHEFFIELD (in the rain, again).
Prince fooled us all
if Prince is as cool as he tries to appear with this rather odd move, then he should be cool enough not to care about char placements or being included in the charts at all.
IMO this is the cheapest of cheap sell-out tacticts since Michael Jackson signed his name away to Pepsi in the 80s to see his mug on every can.
I didn't buy the Mail On Sunday and I don't care about Prince as a person much. I might download his album from a P2P - he surely won't mind? No? Oh.
Prince's last album sold just 80.000 copies. Now he wants 2.1 million copies sold to his name - sorry, these are not genuine sales - no - never.
It was a great stunt - now let's switch on our brains and think about really new ways to distribute and sell music in this century. Putting my album in the Mail On Sunday is not cool, intelligent or a rebel move against the ageing music industry - it's a bold way to finance his lavish lifestyle.
Full stop.
I doubt Prince does care about the chart placement
It'll be a certain newspaper that has chucked loads of money at this and wants the publicity only money can buy...
yes
but what if the packaging _reduces_ the value of the item, as in the case of the Heil on Sunday?
yup
i've seen the Heil Headline Generator, too :p
Yep,
I miss them muchly.
Er
Two.
Haha
I think this is funny, the Daily Mail finds a way to try and shake their angry, middle-England stereotype, and realign their image and target readership by spending £250,000 on giving away this album, and something happens which means they still end up looking angry and uptight.
In an attempt to appear to be laid back sexy motherfu*kers, they end up considering their position in relation to legal action.
i'm sure
Prince has no interest in this album charting...he took out the middle men of the record company, distributors & record shops & got his album direct to the public - all with no "speculation" as he put it.
A £250,000 lump sum when his last album only shifted 80,000 units is very good business I would imagine.
great idea...shame about the fact it was with the Mail.
and even though I'm a big fan of Prince, I have to say my initial reaction is that this album is a pile of poo...he hasn't made a great album since 1987...but will still kick arse live in August / September at the "O2"
and after all that
the album is.... gash... quite befitting that it was given away with such a <edit crap middle class rantage>
I saw
someone from the Mail on the news yesterday, and he reckoned the 'total package' was worth $1,000,000.
Even better going for someone who's career has been on the slide for years.


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