NME editor wins an award?!
Hrmmm... NME Ed wins for being a great editor...
Last night, Conor McNicolas, New Musical Express editor at London's Grosvenor House Hotel, picked up the award for editor of the year at the Periodical Publishers Association Editorial and Publishing Excellence Awards.
The judges said Conor beat off competition from people from Nuts and other such mags, because of his success in "overhauling a 51 year-old title to make it relevant to a new generation of music lovers.... The editor is so much a part of the product - he is on every page. His enthusiasm, knowledge, speed of reaction and drive have given an established title new life. Thanks to his innovations, NME is now thriving in a tough market and delivering week in, week out."
Is it? DiS certainly, intentionally, doesn't run like that, with writers given the freedom to be passionate and knowledgeable and creative about the music they love. This is a distinction which we don't always make clear. So now we have, just here.
Mister McNicolas has commented, "I'm flabbergasted but tremendously pleased. This really is a victory for the whole team around NME. The judges mentioned NME's speed of response and that's something you can only achieve by everyone working together."
So, take a deep breath, you ranty brethren, and think for a second. What you comment below may very well be read and taken seriously by those bods at IPC.
Photo 'borrowed' from NME.com
DiScuss: If you were the Editor of a music magazine aimed at a mass market bunch of 17 year olds, what would you actually be doing? Hasn't the NME improved a little of late? Ain't he damned if he does and damned if he don't? Isn't what's worse about all of this, that the NME's party line resonates so strongly within TV, radio and lots of parts of the music industry ranging from A&R through store managers for HMV, etc... that it turns into hype that's so strong it's hard for people to see through? Wouldn't it be nice to give them some intelligent and sensible suggestions? Is DiS playing Devils Advocate?
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NME editor wins an award?!
I'll just refer everyone to NME.com winning the "Best Website" award at the NME awards.
This recent award won't attract any new readers, mearly set off a rant-rage.
Oh, and he's an ugly cunt too.
This recent award won't attract any new readers, mearly set off a rant-rage.
Oh, and he's an ugly cunt too.
NME editor wins an award?!
Hahaha. What an ugly feller... Can I just ask, why is this classed under Kaiser Chiefs?
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CHESNEY HAWKES!!!!!!!!
NME editor wins an award?!
I'm gonna refrain from going off on an NME bashing rant, involving maximum expletives and the like, probably because I'm far too old now to be reading the NME these days. I will say this though....
Thank fuck for websites like DiS. Keep up the good work :-)
Thank fuck for websites like DiS. Keep up the good work :-)
NME editor wins an award?!
haha, i didnt notice that bit at the top. dont like the dig at gy!be but hey.
the thing people forget is that the NME IS a mainstream magazine. when it says things like 'new music' (in the same vein as MTV2) it means music breaking into the mainstream.
i was also told by a former NME writer that they are basically told what to put, in relation to record label payoffs. i dunno if i believe her to the extent that she said, but i guess that would prove the popularity of some bands over infinitely better ones similar to them
the thing people forget is that the NME IS a mainstream magazine. when it says things like 'new music' (in the same vein as MTV2) it means music breaking into the mainstream.
i was also told by a former NME writer that they are basically told what to put, in relation to record label payoffs. i dunno if i believe her to the extent that she said, but i guess that would prove the popularity of some bands over infinitely better ones similar to them
NME editor wins an award?!
No need to add comments to this article. Just no need.
NME editor wins an award?!
I really want the NME to be good, because the market now is such that no new printed magazines, however good, get off the ground. (Although some of them that have died have admittedly been crap)
Unfortunately, NME isn't good. It's just embarrassing. The writing has gone down the pan.
If there was anything else, I'd read that instead but there isn't so I'm still one of the people that actually buys it. The only difference is that my flatmate and I take it in turns rather buying our own copy...
Unfortunately, NME isn't good. It's just embarrassing. The writing has gone down the pan.
If there was anything else, I'd read that instead but there isn't so I'm still one of the people that actually buys it. The only difference is that my flatmate and I take it in turns rather buying our own copy...
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didn't they put Godspeed on the cover once?
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it was never mainstream until the britpop era. once upon a time it was challenging and helped discover great new music.... then oasis happened.
it's been like smash hits ever since and just keeps getting worse.... I HATE NME SOOOOO MUCH THESE DAYS!
it's been like smash hits ever since and just keeps getting worse.... I HATE NME SOOOOO MUCH THESE DAYS!
NME editor wins an award?!
whenever hes on one of those 100 greatest musical somethingorothers he comes across as such a clueless twat.
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there are alternatives, this here site for starters.
In terms of printed magazines, try plan b, artrocker, comeswithasmile and loose lips sink ships.
In terms of printed magazines, try plan b, artrocker, comeswithasmile and loose lips sink ships.
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of course he's clueless, he works for the NME...!!!
noone with any musical knowledge/taste would work for it these days and be able to live with themselves.
noone with any musical knowledge/taste would work for it these days and be able to live with themselves.
NME editor wins an award?!
God i hate him. Smug jobsworth. The NME is just a rag after all, its the idiots who run it that damaged its name.
NME editor wins an award?!
This is just so wrong.
Not only is NME crap content-wise, but Conor McNicolas is a shit journalist.
I am so disappointed by this I can't even put it into words.
NME is a national institution but I fear we're on the brink of losing it forever.
Not only is NME crap content-wise, but Conor McNicolas is a shit journalist.
I am so disappointed by this I can't even put it into words.
NME is a national institution but I fear we're on the brink of losing it forever.
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disorder is good too. it should reasonably appeal to the people who buy nme because they want to know about new music, but they seem more passionate and honest about it. it's more fanziney, but just as accessible. and prettier to look at. just more satisfying overall.
the nme is frustrating because there is SO much exciting new stuff around right now, and they could be writing fervently and creatively about it all, and really making the most of it. but they aren't. even when they're spot on with the bands they document, their coverage is banal, depressing and repetitive; and more time is given to gossip and scenesters' photo opportunities than actual music writing. i'm not suggesting 4-page reviews of a gig; that isn't what the nme has ever been about as long as i've been reading it, at least. just... reviews that SAY something, interviews that tell us something new, features that aren't patronising. writing that reads like the writers enjoyed writing it.
the nme is frustrating because there is SO much exciting new stuff around right now, and they could be writing fervently and creatively about it all, and really making the most of it. but they aren't. even when they're spot on with the bands they document, their coverage is banal, depressing and repetitive; and more time is given to gossip and scenesters' photo opportunities than actual music writing. i'm not suggesting 4-page reviews of a gig; that isn't what the nme has ever been about as long as i've been reading it, at least. just... reviews that SAY something, interviews that tell us something new, features that aren't patronising. writing that reads like the writers enjoyed writing it.
NME editor wins an award?!
I've had a gripe with NME ever since they bought out Melody Maker - that just seemed a little too much from the Microsoft school of business - If you can't compete, buy them out.
As for Mr. McNicholas, i'm sure he's a decent bloke at heart, but i just get the feeling he takes things a little too seriously - this award though was quite clearly either a fix, or some cruel joke (although, there is always the possiblity he missed the host say "and now in reverse order...")
and no, NME is not getting better of recent, our immunity is just fading. Nurse! pass the liqour!
As for Mr. McNicholas, i'm sure he's a decent bloke at heart, but i just get the feeling he takes things a little too seriously - this award though was quite clearly either a fix, or some cruel joke (although, there is always the possiblity he missed the host say "and now in reverse order...")
and no, NME is not getting better of recent, our immunity is just fading. Nurse! pass the liqour!
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Yup, the same issue that had Mel C on the cover...
NME editor wins an award?!
sounds like some of the folk here are a little envious. nme may be tabloid shit, but it has great gig listings.
NME editor wins an award?!
the bastard has simply sold out to those fuckin wannabe CORPORATIVE PIGS!!!
im glad DiS still has its feet on the ground
im glad DiS still has its feet on the ground
NME editor wins an award?!
PPA also awarded Marketing mag, which is a steaming pile of *****.
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I saw an interview with this fool on (N)M(E)TV2 months back, and when asked for his opinions on new bands he liked, he didn't say "I really like Kaiser Chiefs", he said "I think the Kaiser Chiefs are going to be huge this year". Says it all, really...
NME editor wins an award?!
I don't buy any music magazines these days and haven't since i was a young pup. I find them irrelevant as none has a broad enough spectrum of artists and genres to satisfy any of my cravings.
The only use i see for the NME is PR. If you manage to get a feature or even just a couple of column inches in the NME, you can guarantee a much larger number of sales of any record attached to the band. For small labels this is great, but very hard to achieve.
NME writes about bands who are generally signed to a major, or are just on the verge of it. Give me private eye any day. No music, just lots of good journalism
The only use i see for the NME is PR. If you manage to get a feature or even just a couple of column inches in the NME, you can guarantee a much larger number of sales of any record attached to the band. For small labels this is great, but very hard to achieve.
NME writes about bands who are generally signed to a major, or are just on the verge of it. Give me private eye any day. No music, just lots of good journalism
NME editor wins an award?!
i think godspeed member has the best quote for the state of music journalism as it is now:
"most music journalism is an offence to the eye, an offence to the heart and an offence to the soul"
"most music journalism is an offence to the eye, an offence to the heart and an offence to the soul"
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n i meant godspeed member efrim.
NME editor wins an award?!
haha. he 'beat off' his competition!!!
NME editor wins an award?!
his forehead is really shiny in that picture. and juliette lewis looks truly horrified to be standing next to him.
NME editor wins an award?!
Hey, I saw Terris live once and they were GOOD goddammit! :P
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O so simple.
NME editor wins an award?!
i can't agree with any magazine that lets bands say things about their young readers such as "look at what he's wearing, if i was him i would kill himself" (from an article related to the download festival last year). not all of us are old enough or confident enough to not be affected by our peers or bands we look up to. so NME if you're reading this. if i was your editor i'd kill myself. here's hoping i'm as "influential" as the NME. i hope they rot in hell. rant over. for now.
NME editor wins an award?!
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The Evil that is NME now has a face, hmm? I personally don't have much of a gripe. Relative to our own premier music mag, Rolling Stone, it's still all things NME thinks it is. But I don't even visit the NME website anymore. Just not enough time in my day. Hell, I've had to cut my DiS time down to a mere 8 1/2 hours a day.
PS Juliette and the Licks make me feel a little testy...not like Michael Jackson feels a little testie, but testy. How many wanna be actresses are gonna put out bad records? The next thing you know Paris Hilton will be doing it....oops!
PS Juliette and the Licks make me feel a little testy...not like Michael Jackson feels a little testie, but testy. How many wanna be actresses are gonna put out bad records? The next thing you know Paris Hilton will be doing it....oops!
NME editor wins an award?!
The NME lost the plot once the Melody Maker went under.
Prior to that they had to be on top of their game otherwise the competition would have got there first.
After they swallowed up MM, all the NME has proved is that they are excellent at marketing but not so great at sales, as the lack of units attributed to the Strokes and the Vines has proved.
I have to say though, that I still read the NME on a regular basis, even if its to gloat when they start going on about "new" bands that I actually saw and wrote about them 9 months previous.
Prior to that they had to be on top of their game otherwise the competition would have got there first.
After they swallowed up MM, all the NME has proved is that they are excellent at marketing but not so great at sales, as the lack of units attributed to the Strokes and the Vines has proved.
I have to say though, that I still read the NME on a regular basis, even if its to gloat when they start going on about "new" bands that I actually saw and wrote about them 9 months previous.
NME editor wins an award?!
The NME lost the plot once the Melody Maker went under.
Prior to that they had to be on top of their game otherwise the competition would have got there first.
After they swallowed up MM, all the NME has proved is that they are excellent at marketing but not so great at sales, as the lack of units attributed to the Strokes and the Vines has proved.
I have to say though, that I still read the NME on a regular basis, even if its to gloat when they start going on about "new" bands that I actually saw and wrote about them 9 months previous.
Prior to that they had to be on top of their game otherwise the competition would have got there first.
After they swallowed up MM, all the NME has proved is that they are excellent at marketing but not so great at sales, as the lack of units attributed to the Strokes and the Vines has proved.
I have to say though, that I still read the NME on a regular basis, even if its to gloat when they start going on about "new" bands that I actually saw and wrote about them 9 months previous.
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they were on the cover one time in 1999.
I'm sure neither party would be willing to admit to that now.
I'm sure neither party would be willing to admit to that now.
NME editor wins an award?!
yawn.....
more DiS NME bashing.
to be honest it's common knowledge that the NME is currently in a rut in terms of extensively covering interesting,let alone groundbreaking, music.
However, there is still plenty to relish in the NME. For example, this week's 'radar' section features Dungen -a pretty ace Swedish band who, without the aid of the NME, i would know nothing about.
Sure, there's plenty of trash. it's a given. but i'm sure most people would choose the NME's rampant overhyping of bands than, say, Pitchfork's lamentably negative attitude towards the vast majority of music on offer.
more DiS NME bashing.
to be honest it's common knowledge that the NME is currently in a rut in terms of extensively covering interesting,let alone groundbreaking, music.
However, there is still plenty to relish in the NME. For example, this week's 'radar' section features Dungen -a pretty ace Swedish band who, without the aid of the NME, i would know nothing about.
Sure, there's plenty of trash. it's a given. but i'm sure most people would choose the NME's rampant overhyping of bands than, say, Pitchfork's lamentably negative attitude towards the vast majority of music on offer.
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my local evening newspaper has great gig listing, as does the guardian every saturday..... and what have we got to be envious of? we're just annoyed that someone has destroyed a once great paper and is being rewarded for it.
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Criticising NME is as pointless as criticising the charts - it's only as important as you let it be. It may once have been a bastion of unknown and interesting music, but the music industry has changed beyond recognition in recent years and NME has adapted to fill the gap in the market. If alternatives weren't available this would be a genuine problem. But because of websites such as this and others, plus the other, albeit less readily available, publications and fanzines mentioned above, anyone with a genuine interest in finding great music will have no trouble in finding decent publications that discuss and champion it. Seeing as we've all made it as far as this site, what need do we have to even care about the NME anymore? It's a training bra for indie kids, and we've grown out of it.
But in its defence, for all its laughable hyperbole at least some of the writers are still often be readable and amusing, and as nevertrustaneskimo just pointed out, it does still get it right sometimes. Comparisons to mags like Smash Hits are easy to make but for a magazine with such a mainstream appeal you have to admit it has at least a bit of verve.
But in its defence, for all its laughable hyperbole at least some of the writers are still often be readable and amusing, and as nevertrustaneskimo just pointed out, it does still get it right sometimes. Comparisons to mags like Smash Hits are easy to make but for a magazine with such a mainstream appeal you have to admit it has at least a bit of verve.
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Correct me if I'm wrong (it's very possible that I am) but weren't both the NME and Melody Maker run by the same publishing company?
I'm pretty sure NME didn't buy them out Melody Maker but Melody Maker collapsed of it's own accord and then some of the journalists and sections were put into the NME.
Obviously this was still fucking annoying 'cos Melody Maker was way better but I don't think it was actually NME's fault it collapsed, so much as the dearth of alternative music that sold any records at the time.
I'm pretty sure NME didn't buy them out Melody Maker but Melody Maker collapsed of it's own accord and then some of the journalists and sections were put into the NME.
Obviously this was still fucking annoying 'cos Melody Maker was way better but I don't think it was actually NME's fault it collapsed, so much as the dearth of alternative music that sold any records at the time.
NME editor wins an award?!
How can you over see the running a large magazine like nme if your only 16?
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This is very true. I think the NME is fine (if admittedly flawed) as a magazine as long as you don't use it as the only source of information for music. Ultimately it is a commercial product (especially given a lot of the music it covers is actually selling at the moment) and it's not surprising that it's going to be too mainstream for many DiS members.
Whilst in an ideal world, everybody would check out bands they've never heard of and look out new music, the truth is that a lot of people arent' aware of what's going on in music until they read it in mainstream music publications and, whilst the NME has it's faults, they have pushed some very good bands towards mainstream consciousness. True, they've also pedalled some pretty boring crap but I think the hits make the missess worthwhile.
Ultimately, I want the bands I like to get noticed by wider audiences; firstly, because I want them to be able to keep making albums and secondly because if something's good I want everybody to get to hear it. Whatever the NME's faults, I'm glad there is an alternative music mag that kids growing up in suburban backwaters (as I did) can read and find out about new music. Hopefully, they won't take it all as gospel and will develop their own ideas but at least it gives them a chance to to start.
Whilst in an ideal world, everybody would check out bands they've never heard of and look out new music, the truth is that a lot of people arent' aware of what's going on in music until they read it in mainstream music publications and, whilst the NME has it's faults, they have pushed some very good bands towards mainstream consciousness. True, they've also pedalled some pretty boring crap but I think the hits make the missess worthwhile.
Ultimately, I want the bands I like to get noticed by wider audiences; firstly, because I want them to be able to keep making albums and secondly because if something's good I want everybody to get to hear it. Whatever the NME's faults, I'm glad there is an alternative music mag that kids growing up in suburban backwaters (as I did) can read and find out about new music. Hopefully, they won't take it all as gospel and will develop their own ideas but at least it gives them a chance to to start.
NME editor wins an award?!
I would contest the statement that he is making the NME relevant to the target market which is the mass market of 17yr olds - the circulation of the NME I believe is about 80,000 the population in the UK is around 60 million - I'm not too sure how many of the 60 million are 17yrs old, but I'll have a guess that its a whole load more than 80,000 - so I believe they are missing the target and the claim that the NME is relevant to a new generation of music lovers is quite frankly - BOLLOX! I guess there are more 17yr olds out there who have a spark of intelligence and would never touch the NME
NME editor wins an award?!
No, no, no, its not just 17 year kids who dont know better.
It's depressed and suicidal Business men as well who are all going through midlife crisis' and want to be down with the kids.
There's a lot of suicidal Business men in the UK.
It's depressed and suicidal Business men as well who are all going through midlife crisis' and want to be down with the kids.
There's a lot of suicidal Business men in the UK.
NME editor wins an award?!
bring back melody maker.
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http://www.brainwashed.com/godspeed/deadmetheney/images/nme/nme1.jpg
Tada!
Tada!
NME editor wins an award?!
sorry, not erudite or witty, but FUCK nme, fuck it in its stupid ass.
what an absolute joke.
what an absolute joke.
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I remember when I started reading nme they used to do really long reviews, I struggled as a 14 year old to read the page long Ok Computer review. I dunno, aren't most of the bands people like on here (interpol, kaiser chiefs, bloc party) all the favourite bands in nme now?
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Yeah, they were both IPC publications.
Melody Maker was really faltering and its target audience was pretty much the same as NME, so IPC did (from their point of view) the sensible thing and merged the two.
For a while they made out that MM was "incorporated" in NME, but these days...
Melody Maker was really faltering and its target audience was pretty much the same as NME, so IPC did (from their point of view) the sensible thing and merged the two.
For a while they made out that MM was "incorporated" in NME, but these days...
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hahaha... yaaaaaa...
GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!
GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!
NME editor wins an award?!
Ok, look at it like this... The NME has fairly small circulation, and it talks about the bigger bands. If it concentrated on smaller bands would it sell as well? I think it does the best it can in a difficult sitation, and as long as you don't take it seriously it makes a fairly good read.
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I see Terris listed on yer banner as some kind of smirk. The worst thing NME ever did for that band was put them prematurely on the cover, before they had anything recorded. So of course they were going to disappoint. I totally fucking loved that band. Too much coverage too soon. Hell, they didn't even give them a chance to come up before the back lash started. Just glad i had the chance to catch them gigging for a couple of years before the rest of the UK and the mainstream press had come across them
NME editor wins an award?!
good point by Jane-O. The biggest problem with the NME is not that it's such a pile of donkey shit but that they screw around with bands. It's like the sun's 3am does music and that's never going to be a good thing. The people on this site want to hear about music because they love listening to it, going to gigs that kind of stuff. The NME has become a gossip column extended over a magazine (printed on shit paper). That'd be ok if it didn't effect bands, and have the ability through over-hype and then dismissal to ruin them.
I saw this review of a radiohead album today (http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?albumid=1484). That's how you do a review. I don't know if this guy writes for a magazine but maybe he should. Ok it's not original going through track by track but he explains the album and why it is good and doesn't talk half the time about haircuts or use terrible metaphors like the NME.
Thank god for the web basically.
I saw this review of a radiohead album today (http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?albumid=1484). That's how you do a review. I don't know if this guy writes for a magazine but maybe he should. Ok it's not original going through track by track but he explains the album and why it is good and doesn't talk half the time about haircuts or use terrible metaphors like the NME.
Thank god for the web basically.
NME editor wins an award?!
Dear NME editors:
your recent issue misuses "offstage" on the fucking cover.
Nice one.
Maybe if you weren't so interested in promoting yourselves over the basic needs of the publication this wouldn't happen as often as it does.
But I guess you won't win any awards then, would you?
P.S. please hire me.
your recent issue misuses "offstage" on the fucking cover.
Nice one.
Maybe if you weren't so interested in promoting yourselves over the basic needs of the publication this wouldn't happen as often as it does.
But I guess you won't win any awards then, would you?
P.S. please hire me.
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exactly my point - i'm not complaining about them writing about those bands - they've got widespread interest, they're relevant, of course they'll get written about... it's just that the writing itself is often so vapid.
NME editor wins an award?!
read plan b magazine
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do you three work for NME then?
certainly sounds like it.
certainly sounds like it.
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Can't speak for the other two but not in my case.
I know a lot of people hate the NME and totally understand why. A lot of the bands that the NME creams over are either over-hyped or just not very good but they've still created a platform from which some really good acts reach a wider audience and, as such, sell enough albums to not get dropped.
The NME could be a damn sight better but I think life'd be a lot of harder for alternative acts without either it or an equivalent magazine of a similar stature.
I know a lot of people hate the NME and totally understand why. A lot of the bands that the NME creams over are either over-hyped or just not very good but they've still created a platform from which some really good acts reach a wider audience and, as such, sell enough albums to not get dropped.
The NME could be a damn sight better but I think life'd be a lot of harder for alternative acts without either it or an equivalent magazine of a similar stature.
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No, Ernie, I don't work for the NME. It makes my blood boil just to read it (which incidentally takes about three minutes cover to cover). But I'm not a knee-jerk reactionary indie snob who's unable to weigh things up objectively. We've already had the negative points of the NME in abundance on this board. It's nice to hear a balanced argument occasionally.
All this waging war on the NME is tedious and pointless. If you don't like the magazine just ignore it and maybe it will go away. All these predictable tirades against it just perpetuate its dominance over UK music journalism.
And to all you people who gleefully kick the shit out of the NME on these boards as if it's some kind of evil indie tyrant - I'm suspicious of you all. Your desperate need to prove you're above such things shows you've missed the point entirely. If you really, genuinely think the NME is that bad then you're either blindly following a popular point of view without bothering to work it out for yourselves, or just so far up your own indie-ethos arses your Hoxton Fins are tickling your tonsils.
You'd all take a job there if they offered you one and you know it.
Jesus, I can't believe I got myself involved in this.
All this waging war on the NME is tedious and pointless. If you don't like the magazine just ignore it and maybe it will go away. All these predictable tirades against it just perpetuate its dominance over UK music journalism.
And to all you people who gleefully kick the shit out of the NME on these boards as if it's some kind of evil indie tyrant - I'm suspicious of you all. Your desperate need to prove you're above such things shows you've missed the point entirely. If you really, genuinely think the NME is that bad then you're either blindly following a popular point of view without bothering to work it out for yourselves, or just so far up your own indie-ethos arses your Hoxton Fins are tickling your tonsils.
You'd all take a job there if they offered you one and you know it.
Jesus, I can't believe I got myself involved in this.
NME editor wins an award?!
he looks like zach braff in one of those house of mirrors. good on him - hes only young isn't he!
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thats for the award, rather than being ugly.
NME editor wins an award?!
"Thanks to his innovations, NME is now thriving in a tough market"
tough market?? surely it has a MONOPOLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????
-being the only national weekly music publication?
are these people thick and stupid?
tough market?? surely it has a MONOPOLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????
-being the only national weekly music publication?
are these people thick and stupid?
NME editor wins an award?!
ps i know it's clichéd but i read an nme from the early ninties the other day, it was brilliant. seriously.
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weekly monopoly? don't forget the brilliant Kerrang!!!!!1111ONEONEONEONE!!!!O!O!OELEVENT!!!!!
omG. I'm gnA go Reed bOUT cradLE of FiLTh noW
omG. I'm gnA go Reed bOUT cradLE of FiLTh noW
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Actually agree. I used to buy the nme eeevery single week for about 7 years, and it was, well, ace. But then Conor TWAT McNicholas got in. They sacked Swells, Christian Ward and anyone else who could string a sentence together without mentioning the Strokes, and then came the two page spreads on Strokes fashion. Even read through some of the old ones to make sure it wasn't just rampant nostalgia and they were hilarious well-written buckets of fun compared to the dull sycophantic bollocks now. They've even got the braindead groupies Queenz of Noize to do a column. Jesus.
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Hasn't it always been mainstream, from what i've read of issues from the 60's it seems this way. It read alot like smashhits back then, the only main difference seems to be Cliff Richard as the rock bad boy rather than Pete Doherty!
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that look on her face - that's the look i get on my face when i have to listen to that awful single of hers.
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totally agree about the old NME, i'm so sad i occasionally buy old copies from ebay. it is partly nostalgia, but it's also a great read without any pie charts or diagrams.
the new style is so shit there's no need to buy it, you can read the whole thing in 2 mins in your newsagents.
words cannot express my anger at how rubbish the paper is these days! thankgod for DIS.
the new style is so shit there's no need to buy it, you can read the whole thing in 2 mins in your newsagents.
words cannot express my anger at how rubbish the paper is these days! thankgod for DIS.
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yeh in the 60's it was, read some issues from the 80's and early 90's.
NME editor wins an award?!
UNCUT is the only music magazine anyone should ever read.
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"If you really, genuinely think the NME is that bad then you're either blindly following a popular point of view without bothering to work it out for yourselves, or just so far up your own indie-ethos arses your Hoxton Fins are tickling your tonsils."
Or not, how about bashing the nme because the standard of the journalism is awful. made worse by the fact that a few years ago it was far better.
And as for taking a job there, sure after all isnt it easier to change something from within?
Or not, how about bashing the nme because the standard of the journalism is awful. made worse by the fact that a few years ago it was far better.
And as for taking a job there, sure after all isnt it easier to change something from within?
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i prefer rock sound.
okay, only one album out of a hundred gets laess than 8 out of 10 but i think there is a great mix of mainstream and underground bands, and the CD usually has some good stuff on it
okay, only one album out of a hundred gets laess than 8 out of 10 but i think there is a great mix of mainstream and underground bands, and the CD usually has some good stuff on it
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you're not wrong!
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"You'd all take a job there if they offered you one and you know it. "
You don't know how wrong this is. The NME have had trouble recruiting people lately, ok every 15 year old indie fame seeker would work for them, but any talented journalist would avoid them like the plague.
Did anyone read the article in the Guardian yesterday? Sarah Dempster was slagging off her days at the paper. Mind you, she did confess to liking Phil Collins, so we can't really take her seriously.
You don't know how wrong this is. The NME have had trouble recruiting people lately, ok every 15 year old indie fame seeker would work for them, but any talented journalist would avoid them like the plague.
Did anyone read the article in the Guardian yesterday? Sarah Dempster was slagging off her days at the paper. Mind you, she did confess to liking Phil Collins, so we can't really take her seriously.
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uncut is great
NME editor wins an award?!
The world ended when the NME stopped being a newspaper aimed at music fans and became a glossy marketing mag for 16 year olds incapable of reading text containing more than 100 words
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"anyone else who could string a sentence together without mentioning the Strokes"
It's funny you mention this as i have a theory that it is NME's editorial policy to actually do something along these lines. Read any review they do of some old, 'classic' band and you see they still manage to fit in a mention of the Libertines, Franz Ferdinand or whoever they are wanking over at the time of the review. They do it just about every time, it's like product placement. I read a review in there recently, i think it was GBV or Dinosaur Jr, a band that has no bearing on the current NME scene, and yet they still managed to fit in a mention of one of these bands. Totally cringe-inducing.
It's funny you mention this as i have a theory that it is NME's editorial policy to actually do something along these lines. Read any review they do of some old, 'classic' band and you see they still manage to fit in a mention of the Libertines, Franz Ferdinand or whoever they are wanking over at the time of the review. They do it just about every time, it's like product placement. I read a review in there recently, i think it was GBV or Dinosaur Jr, a band that has no bearing on the current NME scene, and yet they still managed to fit in a mention of one of these bands. Totally cringe-inducing.
NME editor wins an award?!
Hah - DIS slagging NME - at least NME's editor actually has a grasp of the written word - kind of important in the world of journalism.
NME's only as good as the music around and too much is characterkess shite or the same old angular crap every loves for five mins. Still, funny how in that quote he admits that NME is reactionary. The Darkness - anyone?
There do need to be less carbon copy bands in it and we need to see NME sticking its neck out hunting unsigned bands that aren't signed up to a big name label or manager. Journalism sold out to the evils of advertising is not journalism.
But you guys are the biggest bunch of hypocrites around. DIS hypes shit up too, just that not as many people listen. Plus you currently serve just to promote a label of nothing indie acts! If Martha could sing why's she not on Rufus's label? And why aren't Kaiser Cheifs signed to DIS anymore? Hmmmm???
DIS could do with growing up, not being such a childish whingie little fanzine and getting more proper writers like Gareth Dobson and Gen Williams. Now off to bed!
NME's only as good as the music around and too much is characterkess shite or the same old angular crap every loves for five mins. Still, funny how in that quote he admits that NME is reactionary. The Darkness - anyone?
There do need to be less carbon copy bands in it and we need to see NME sticking its neck out hunting unsigned bands that aren't signed up to a big name label or manager. Journalism sold out to the evils of advertising is not journalism.
But you guys are the biggest bunch of hypocrites around. DIS hypes shit up too, just that not as many people listen. Plus you currently serve just to promote a label of nothing indie acts! If Martha could sing why's she not on Rufus's label? And why aren't Kaiser Cheifs signed to DIS anymore? Hmmmm???
DIS could do with growing up, not being such a childish whingie little fanzine and getting more proper writers like Gareth Dobson and Gen Williams. Now off to bed!
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I totally agree. Certainly the standard of writing has got worse and worse over the last 5 years now. The type of language used often reads like a comic ... but then maybe it IS a comic now. Don't care too much for the new breed of music journos. Also they have gradually got rid of all the funny bits since merging with Melody Maker (what the fuck happened to Holly's Demo Hell?)
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the guy needs some credit. look at the number of music magazines that have come and gone recently...x-ray, bang, rip and burn its pretty hard doing an "alternative" music magazine and nme has managed to be a success.
shocking how it doesnt manage to voice everyones opinions or mention your new favourite unsigned band
shocking how it doesnt manage to voice everyones opinions or mention your new favourite unsigned band
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But nme, unlike all the others you mention, has a history, thats why it survives.
And for a valid criticism of the nme, how about the fact that the journalism is crap?
And for a valid criticism of the nme, how about the fact that the journalism is crap?
NME editor wins an award?!
Under Conor McNicolas the NME has gone from being an intelligent, informative, well-written weekly to a comic-like, juvenile Smash Hits imitator.
They brainwash their readers with dull, witless articles about the same mindless cretins (especially Doh!erty and friends)
They brainwash their readers with dull, witless articles about the same mindless cretins (especially Doh!erty and friends)
NME editor wins an award?!
Most HMV management read Drowned in Sound
NME editor wins an award?!
Sorry I forgot what the award was actually for.
Oh yeah that was it.
Increasing the circulation of his mag.
Not the quality.
He's actually quite clever.
I recently picked up a copy with Pete Doherty's face on 11 separate pages. They described a yet to be released Babyshambles song as "a British Smells Like Teen Spirit"
The NME's advertising revenue comes from banks, breweries and record companies recruiting young customers.
The potential readership consists of young teenagers to whom the idea of being famous and getting wasted on an excess of hard drugs and alcohol in today's binge culture seems glamorous.
95% of this potential market have no musical or lyrical talent whatsoever so they can relate to Mr. Doherty.
The likes of Efrim may never grace the cover again because the core readership neither cares for nor understands the idea of ones art as priority in ones life.
The readership still think, for example, Hendrix and Cobain were cool, but for the wrong reasons, i.e. cos they got wasted.
The editorial stance gives them no reason to believe otherwise.
I find this extremely sad.
It's an insult and an embarrassment to talented artists still to be found within its pages and a dangerous influence on its naive young readers.
In the long run it'll be the death of the NME, because the editor obviously thinks the title stands for non-musical excess.
You can read about that in any other tabloid.
Oh yeah that was it.
Increasing the circulation of his mag.
Not the quality.
He's actually quite clever.
I recently picked up a copy with Pete Doherty's face on 11 separate pages. They described a yet to be released Babyshambles song as "a British Smells Like Teen Spirit"
The NME's advertising revenue comes from banks, breweries and record companies recruiting young customers.
The potential readership consists of young teenagers to whom the idea of being famous and getting wasted on an excess of hard drugs and alcohol in today's binge culture seems glamorous.
95% of this potential market have no musical or lyrical talent whatsoever so they can relate to Mr. Doherty.
The likes of Efrim may never grace the cover again because the core readership neither cares for nor understands the idea of ones art as priority in ones life.
The readership still think, for example, Hendrix and Cobain were cool, but for the wrong reasons, i.e. cos they got wasted.
The editorial stance gives them no reason to believe otherwise.
I find this extremely sad.
It's an insult and an embarrassment to talented artists still to be found within its pages and a dangerous influence on its naive young readers.
In the long run it'll be the death of the NME, because the editor obviously thinks the title stands for non-musical excess.
You can read about that in any other tabloid.
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fcuking scum and the lowest of life on earth, hmv management make politicials look like hardworking folk earning an honest wage, bah...
NME editor wins an award?!
why is he dressed like a Libertines fan? whoops, silly me..............
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Holly Hernandez (sp?) is writing for Play Music.
I actually bought the NME for the first time in about two years yesterday, the one with the Killers on the front (although, God's honest truth, I didn't know who they were til I read the name).
I really struggled to find anything worthwhile, at all, within its shiny front n back pages. Short of a tiny mention of the Mike Patton/Bjork track for Warchild (which they pretty much dissed) and some mildly amusing letters about the whole Kasabian bottling incident, t'was utter cock. It really IS Heat Magazine, albeit for folk who also like a little pop'n'rock.
Crrrrrrrrrap.
I actually bought the NME for the first time in about two years yesterday, the one with the Killers on the front (although, God's honest truth, I didn't know who they were til I read the name).
I really struggled to find anything worthwhile, at all, within its shiny front n back pages. Short of a tiny mention of the Mike Patton/Bjork track for Warchild (which they pretty much dissed) and some mildly amusing letters about the whole Kasabian bottling incident, t'was utter cock. It really IS Heat Magazine, albeit for folk who also like a little pop'n'rock.
Crrrrrrrrrap.
NME editor wins an award?!
Terrorizer is the best music magazine.
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Now I have the internet for release schedules and gig listings the paper mags are obsolete. Even artists free tracks on their sites have replaced cover CDs as a best way to try stuff out.
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Oh right. I thought it was a drag queen standing next to him...
NME editor wins an award?!
He beat off the judges eh?
Good work.
Good work.
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how can they say its relevant? i dont know anyone who likes or respects it, a lot of people know lose interest in things once nme promotes them to death. they dont even talk about music - even in reviews its just a load of self interested journo shit they enjoy spouting out to make themselves feel clever.
NME editor wins an award?!
It got bought by Time warner last year and they are moving to a new shiny building down the road later this year.
This award is just more cynical advertising...
This award is just more cynical advertising...
NME editor wins an award?!
It got bought by Time warner last year and they are moving to a new shiny building down the road later this year.
This award is just more cynical advertising...
This award is just more cynical advertising...
NME editor wins an award?!
I find this funny.
Aren't Drowned In Sound the NME "Mark II"?
Aren't Drowned In Sound the NME "Mark II"?
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You wanna know my opinion? Yes you do!
When it comes the the NME, there's the good, the bad and the ugly.
THE GOOD:
They do promote some good bands and they make music exciting for young teeny-boppers who later get more discerning.
At Club NME I've seen some good young bands like Amusement Parks on Fire, Riff Random, Battle, Agent Blue etc etc etc. So it's good the magazine provides a showcase for new music in all the regional towns.
THE BAD:
It's obvious that some crap bands get press just because they're signed to a certain label or have the right PR person. I also think that promoting magic mushrooms to kids is downright irresponsible. Those 'shrooms' can cause serious mental illness.
THE UGLY:
I understand that the NME enjoys attacking bands. If it's Keane, go ahead. But I am totally sickened by the way the NME just destroys some young bands for no good reason.
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I read NME
BUT...........
The Hives got it a hundred percent right in NME last August when they had an interveiw based on readers questions and they pointed out that all they were interested in was DRUGS, SEX and TOILET HUMOUR.
They were actually perplexed at thier being nothing related to music.
Which just goes to show i'll read anything i supose
BUT...........
The Hives got it a hundred percent right in NME last August when they had an interveiw based on readers questions and they pointed out that all they were interested in was DRUGS, SEX and TOILET HUMOUR.
They were actually perplexed at thier being nothing related to music.
Which just goes to show i'll read anything i supose
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Heat for indie kids. Was once a respected and reputable music mag. Awards!? The man's a cunt. Havent bought it for nigh on 9 months and i actually feel better educated. God bless The Fly now there's useful journalism for you...oh and DIS although you're cliquey and snobbish you do have constructive things to say.
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NME editor wins an award?!
I distinctly remember the day that I thought the NME lost its soul. It was the day it ran its first ad for mobile phone ringtones, thus capping its steady decline from a well-respected (mostly) mag for music fans to a comic for teens, respected only by marketeers.
Conor McNicholas's award only serves to illustrate that the respect held for him comes mainly (only?) from the self-serving, back-slapping, PR-wanking, incestuous music/media industry.
And yet I still buy the fucking mag every week. What a tosser.
Conor McNicholas's award only serves to illustrate that the respect held for him comes mainly (only?) from the self-serving, back-slapping, PR-wanking, incestuous music/media industry.
And yet I still buy the fucking mag every week. What a tosser.
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Stephanie_Zinone wrote
"hahaha... yaaaaaa...
GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!"
So you sold your soul to the man, and now you want pity? That's rich. Why don't you just go and invade some celebraties private life, and leave the existential crisies to those who still have hearts.
;-) Joking!
"hahaha... yaaaaaa...
GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!"
So you sold your soul to the man, and now you want pity? That's rich. Why don't you just go and invade some celebraties private life, and leave the existential crisies to those who still have hearts.
;-) Joking!
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I reckon there is a much higher standard of coverage on the web about music these days. I think many people only still by the NME out of some sort of trendy nostalgia. It plops through my door every wednesday and has done for about 15 years ... but I usually flick through it in about 10 mins. Says it all really.
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he is a great Editor, he keeps NME turning over each year with it's endless record company-cover feature bribes, freebies and brown envelopes.
His face is as annoying as his views on Music. I wonder if he has any friends?
His face is as annoying as his views on Music. I wonder if he has any friends?
PAINFUL NME
the NME is cack and so is the editor, i'm not explaining why, because its too damn obvious. Why past the age of 12 would you buy such a thing. It should be sold with the barbie mags not there with the likes of WIRE or MOJO or PLAN B or even the bob dylan manual UNCUT. The Stool Pigeon is free with a million better articles of some credible opinion and of actual music. No i dont work for them it just kills me that NME can win an award for anything music journalism related when there are people who write so well for FREE now. Pathetic i've just listened to an interview on MTV2 where this NME editor, whatever your name is..is looking forward to the Kaiser Chiefs in 2007! is that all you could say are you joking? The Kaiser Chiefs, what a mother fuggin reason to live. Are you 5 you stupid mother fugger?
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