Korn fan critical after mosh-pit-provoked attack
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MTV.com has reported that a 30-year-old man has been left braindead in hospital following an attack at a Korn gig in Atlanta on Sunday night (July 30).
The article, here, states that Andy Richardson was at the city's Hi-Fi Buys Amphitheater show - part of this year's Family Values series - with his pregnant girlfriend and a mentally disabled child when two unidentified men assaulted him. He'd previously asked them to be careful while moshing, so that they didn't harm the people he was there with.
The men waited until the show had finished to confront Richardson outside. Richardson's friend Edgar Arellano, also at the show, said: "We were all enjoying the concert, we were having a good time, until these two guys came around."
Richardson was beaten to the floor. Arellano added: "He was unconscious. He had blood all over his face when I picked him up."
Homicide investigators are chasing as many leads as they have, but only a vague description of the suspects has been submitted. Richardson's mother, Gloria, has told Atlanta's WSB-TV that her son is on life support and isn't expected to live.
"Can you imagine (that) your child (can go) to a concert and be killed for it, because of people out there fighting to have a quote unquote good time?" she said. "And I'm angry. I'm very angry. Why were the police not there to stop them?"
Update, 2 August: Andy Richardson has died from the injuries sustained outside the Korn show. Click here for further details.
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...not really surprising, is it.
i was in the pit for slipknot a few years back
and it was brutal. and there are some twats in there. u just have to stray awy from them. point is, what was this kid doing near the pit anyway.
to be fair.....
.... if the office internet hadnt been down earlier, i would have posted that "brain dead" gag myself, only with the twist that he was brain dead before the gig not after.
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Someone who goes to a Korn gig - hell, ANY metal gigi - with a pregnant woman and a mentally disabled child can perhaps be considered to be brain dead already.
At least this way he won't be harming anyone else.
I've never seen the point
of moshing.
you miss the show and you're not really listening to the music.
i been in a few pits myself, but i've never enjoyed them.
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I don't really mosh at gigs either, but I get it. Maybe you're not concentrating on the music in the traditional sense, but you're experiencing it. It's just dance, but with headbutting, init?
Heavy Metal music
like hard house but with headbutting
Hmmm
Bands usually go out of their way to say onstage "if you see someone fall down, pick them up" and so on - you can't have a security guard for every attendee. Going to a gig has its risks in the way that driving a car does, but ultimately it's down to the fact that in most walks of life there are a few idiots who care about nobody as much as themselves.
Difficult one. Anyone else wanting to make a banal comment like the one at the top should perhaps try and imagine what the guy's family is going through...
The inclusion of those
parties makes it sound like a "worst-case" piece of tabloid journalism designed to shame "moshing" to the fullest extent
Kicking the shit out a bloke
who is with a pregnant woman and a disabled child is pretty damn disgusting.
You just know they were gutless pricks as well who wouldn't dream of doing anything if they were on their own
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He was an idiot. He took his fellow idiots to see some idiots play. He talked smack to some other idiots, who proceeded to beat that idiot down.
I imagine his family are mourning the loss of their idiot.
Right....so ....
what you are saying is that as he had a pregnant GF with him and a disabled child he had no right to be there?
Wut?
......
Very amusing
It is possible to read s tory online connected to music and resist the temptation to make a bad student joke of it on the grounds of decency and good taste. You fucks should be ashamed. He might be a Korn fan but he's in a coma. Give the guy a break.
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shame people see the story as yet another opportunity coin oh-so-hilarious music snobbery spiel.
leave it at the door unless its about the cunts who did this.
Fair enough, its pretty stupid to be in the moshpit of a Korn gig with a pregnant woman and disabled child, but you can't seriously be suggesting he deserved it? This kind of thing is absolutely disgusting, and anyone who knowingly harms someone else during a gig should certainly be prosecuted. That's what security guards are there for, no?
I think this is a bit of an anomaly though, there are a lot of cunts in the world, and some at every gig. Not really much can be done about it other than having security enforce rules more strictly.
wow...on the strength of this thread, there are some pretty 'dead inside' cunts who post on this board...unbelievable.
I bet you're the sort of people whose idea of a good night in is a six pack of special brew and a video of people getting eaten by fucking bears, just so you can sit there and go 'ha ha, he got eaten by a bear, what a fucking loser'...vile
HERO
I'm a good friend of the victim Andy Richardson. Andy was simply protecting a friend at a concert (it was not his girlfriend, that is wrong). Anyone with heart and feelings would have done the same thing in that situation. Andy was trying to help someone and got murdered for it. Hit from behind was my understanding. Thats pretty cowardly. Thats not moshing as I have experienced. Andy even reached out and got security involved and they did not do a thing about it. I hope they find them and they get the worst punnishment available. I think we should leave Andy's image as a friend and a hero intact. I believe this situation has nothing to do with moshing. These sub-human idiots wanted a fight, thats all.
I just visited Andy, he is not going to make it. You should all send your sympathy to Andy's family.
M
Of course you're listening to the music
It's rushing through your veins, your head feels filled with sounds and motion and you're in unison with hundreds of others feeling what you feel. How you can't enjoy it is beyond me.
This incident although horrific, must also be seen as isolated. This is a newsworthy story because this doesn't happen often. Although mosh pits can be dangerous places obviously, generally when someone falls over I've seen people help them up very quickly.
generally you're right...
...but, often, there are idiots out to punch their way through thirty minutes of hardcore, to prove they're 'king of the pit' or some shit.
no wonder I've not been to a hardcore show for ages.
^^truth
Fucking shocking.
Unless I read the article wrong, this doesn't seem to have much to do with violence during gigs. Didn't it say the attack took place after the show, outside the venue? Even the people wanting to prove they're "king of the pit" stop being violent when the music stops and the band leaves.
These people weren't being violent in a "it's okay because we're at a Korn show" way, they were violent in a "we're a bunch of fucking cunts" way.
Although, people who say the former are pretty much the latter anyway.
This is
completely and utterly mind-boggling.
You deserve to be fucking banned from here for that.
"Idiot"
true
Some of the comments here are disgusting. Especially with recent events regarding a friend of Dis.
You
are a cunt. End of.
(Stealthy)
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I feel I have to apologise for my comments.
My post should have read: "I sympathise with this guy - he totally didn't deserve being beaten up. All he did was endanger his wife and kid and mouth off to people he shouldn't have."
The only other valid comment in this light is silence.
Hmm.
Actually shocked at a good deal of the comments on this page. Before anyone rolls out a 'it's the internet who cares lolz' argument, you're talking about a fucking dead man. Christ.
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while other people mock and stuff. i wish this chap the very best of luck and condolences to his wife and son.
Andy
Thanks (moodiejg) I'll pass it on to his family. But just for the record that was not his girlfriend and soon to be son. It was just a friend he happened to know.
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no that isn't the point. not the point at all.
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you sir, are a prick of the highest order.
so
the attack had nothing to do with Korn, or moshing, just some fuckwits who took offence at being told to be careful of a pregnant wowan and a disabled kid, who are perfectly entitled to do whatever they want. If, say, the blokes had pushed in a cue for something, we wouldnt be talking about shopping and how dangerous it was. I dont really like moshing myself, but this violence seems unrelated.
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prick.
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were you there then?
i wonder how many of these sarcy comments would have been made
if it happened at a Les Incompetents gig
This is horrible
It has nothing to do with the gig or the band or any of that shit, a man is critically ill in hospital because of two cunts. I know it happens every day somewhere, but it's fucking horrible
And stealthy, I've thought this for a while now and obviously not said anything, but on the basis of the stuff you say on this site, you are a pathetic piece of shit. The things you come out with are subhuman scum. And sadly, I'm not exaggerating
Maybe you should have stayed silent
You're still totally full of shit. Way to be a complete dickhead.
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Fucking hell, the bloke's dead because a pair of cunts wanted a ruck... there's no jokes to be had there, regardless of the circumstances.
I bet
you're 18 MAX. Get off the net and learn some social skills you idiot.
Andy is no more...
Andy passed away at 2pm today. Our condolences to the family. Any information that may lead to the arrest of the two murderers can be called in to Atlanta Police - Criminal Investigations Division Deputy Chief (404)853-4236.
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God no. But I have a vision. The vision involves a man who's not too bright. He's standing in the middle of giant crowd all jumping into each other ferociously, getting down to the sounds of nu-metal. He has a pregnant woman and a handicapped kid with him, but he doesn't care about them, he wants to watch Korn the band. I see a couple of steakheads, probably high on drugs. They bump into him, or the woman, or the kid... this part is hazy. The first guy is incensed - he can't comprehend how if you bring two vulnerable people into a giant mosh pit someone might collide with them at velocity.
The man get's angry. He exchanges words with the steakheads. Vicious words. Words that question their parentage. The steakheads, fuelled by the angry nature of the music they were listening to and also of the barbiturates they're probably under the influence of, beat the man to the ground without further comment, save perhaps to question HIS parentage.
The woman and child scream in fright, but their screams are drowned out by Fieldy's diarreah tone and Jonny Davis singing about how his father abused him. They try to get help, but are hampered by the fact that they're in a mosh pit.
The man is beaten and bloody. It is some time before the situation becomes apparent to the rest of the GIANT MOSH PIT in the ARENA that this man bought a PREGNANT WOMAN and a CHILD with DEVELOPMENTAL DISORDERS to.
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I've had another vision. Three less gas station attendants - two in jail, one otherwise unable to fulfil the terms of his employment for the time being, but a lesson for anyone else to think seriously about their choice of family fun.
There was a third vision of hang-wringing pansies on message boards spouting platitudes about people they absolutely won't remember this time next week, but I've blocked that one out - I see no wisdom to be gained there.
Dickhead
Will somebody please ban this twunt. Just because youve never met someone doesnt mean that you cant feel empathy for his family and friends and sadness at his loss. Added to this people who did know this man read the boards here show some fucking respect
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im terribly sorry about the loss. totally unessacary.
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What you're describing is sympathy. Empathy means I understand the situation, nothing less.
I might ask you to empathise with the feelings of the pregnant woman's family - who had they been asked whether their daughter/sister/whatever should go to a metal gig in their condition probably would have had a more negative position.
Dickhead II
I wasnt aware the bloke who died had kidnapped this preggers woman. Just stop fucking digging YOU = WRONG
by the way empathy is thefeeling of concern and understanding for another's situation or feelings. Also, an emotional feeling of identification or understanding
dictionary.com Fucking useful
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I KNOW what empathy is without recourse to that site and your definition isn't it. Of course, having been on dictionary.com I can see that you pulled that definition out of your arse.
Still, Dictionary.com is useful. Perhaps you should look up "sympathy" which is the word you actually want to use.
And while you're there, you can look up what's really bothering you and get over it. Or you could fling more abuse my way - I enjoy responding to it with snarky insolence.
Dickhead III (Its like Shakespeare)
I put 'define empathy' into google and found the first entry, your superior use of the English does not stop you from being a heartless wanker. im finished now i dont want to get into personal battles, respects to the family
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Oh well. If you want to come back sometime and cry out your sad eyes about some Palestinian granny who you heard died the other day, or maybe about the plight of AIDS orphans in Africa, I'll be there for you.
Please stop using 'cunt' as an insult
Seriously, a cunt is a beautiful thing. It's veiled misogyny, even if people don't see it that way, to use it as an insult. I totally applaud the use of 'arsehole', 'fuckwit' etc and all regional variants.
No comment on the incident as such, except to say that everybody has a right to see a band they love in close proximity without being murdered.
Looks like he's gone...
RIP.
xx
i'm shocked
at some of the comments that have been made in light of this horrific incident, especially with the lack of information as to what exactly happened. christ.
Oh nos
Christ on a bike, people take the internet far too seriously around here. Loving the ironic comments about loners sitting behind their screens laughing at this, coming from nerds getting their panties in a twist about comments on a messageboard.
Back on topic: well, the topic is bollocks isn't it. Sad news but this has nothing to do with music. Beating the shit out of people is never cool, unless you're John Prescott.
Cheers fella
for putting some vague perspective on this.
And what a garbage point to be getting worked up upon. Read the story again. How much is unsubstantiated? How much is over hyped for a gimmicky “DiScussion.� It will be next week’s Trisha at this rate. My Drug-Addled Pregnant Son Died Of Cancer From A Rock Music Band That No One Even Took Seriously In The Early Nineties…
Sort of has a ring about it,
Oh well.
That's not the fucking point and you know it. There's a difference between not feeling empathy to every single tragedy in the world and deliberately coming onto the internet and mocking one for the sake of comedy.
Like I say, it's just rather sad you seem to revel in this so much. Attention-seeking of the highest order.
i concur
the musical context is completely incidental.
Two gits looking for a ruck.
They harrass a bloke who's looking after some more vulnerable people.
He tells them to sod off.
They beat him to death.
i would also like to say that this definitely not the time to sign stealthy's advertised e-mail up for as much shitty spam as possible, oh no, that would be wrong...
This ain't good
This man had every right to be in a mosh pit.
No one has any right to taket this mans life away.
I hope they catch these two pricks.
People who mock this sort of stuff are also pricks.
Of course it has something to do with music...
...as the incident stemmed from activity considered 'proper' at such a show, when it's all too easy for things to get silly.
Granted, it's not often you'll tell a person to calm down only for them to smack you one later, but it is common to have to ask someone else to watch it - being elbowed in the face while dancing = not fun.
I just worry that people - kids - that have never been to a show go to their first or second hard rock show, see this behaviour, and copy it. If people moshed with respect for those around them in the first place, chances are this wouldn't have happened. It can't be 'me me me' in a pit, or else you'll either hurt someone or someone will lose patience and smack you.
Take a moment
and grow up you stupid little shit
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i've never like circle pits and people jumping into each other - but i'm a big fan of a crush of people bouncing up and down enthusiastically...
does the latter legitimate the former?
Well it isn't
but it is, too. Really.
Twat
so, following your arguements:
a)all people who do not conform to your tastes are idiots who deserve what's coming to them.
b)if somthing disagreeable happens to you, you are not allowed to to raise an objection.
c)there is no point feeling sympathy for anyone.
hmmm, are you a sociopath.
just because this is the internet, it does not meen it is ok to go round being obnoxious about a persons tragic (not to mention avoidable) death.
you misguided cynicism is pathetic, and you attempt at humour callow.
I would suggest keeping your comments on the subject among your friends, but it seems likely you don't have any.
That was @
the disabled kid in the moshpit, not the guy in question.
there is no legitimacy needed
if people DECIDE to involve themselves in a moshpit then they know they're going to get hurt. that's the point of a moshpit.
this guy decided not to mosh but put himself at peril by standing too close to it.
if you don't want your beer spilled you take a step back. if you want a fight, you wait til someone spills it.
who can say what happened.
This thread
is good grounds for just switching the internet off. Seriously.
Look, it's (sadly) probably going to be a murder. That's it. It's got nothing to do with gigs, moshing or music. It's got to do with someone being murdered, and surely nobody deserves that?
Erm...
..when is murder 'overhyped'?
Seriously now...
does ANY FUCKING IDIOT IN HERE THINK HE TOOK THE CHILD AND PREGGERS GIRLFRIEND INTO THE PIT?
I really really doubt it. Sincerely. What probably happened was that he was standing towards the rear or on the edge of the pit with his friends, when some tits kept banging into them, he said something and that, in turn, caused him to be beaten to death outside by people holding a grudge.
Anyone who jokes at something like this is beyond my comprehension. Stealthy you fucking idiot, going on about dictionary.com, try not spelling get's with an apostrophe - cunt.
I honestly hope some of the thoughtless scum in here die so i too can crack a joke at your expense. Got any dead relatives? we'll laugh at that too. But just seriously think - did he take the women and handicapped child into the middle of a Korn moshpit?
I doubt it. Just think before you open your stupid mouths and insult dead people. I am honestly ashamed.
well
You're obviously a prick if you are being so out of order to the guy for (1) his musical taste and (2) for getting the shit kicked out of him. I can't believe you went to the effort to be such an arse about it, you really need to sort your life out. I hope you feel like a cunt for slagging the guy off now that he's passed away. I can't believe someone would be so disrespectful.
cunts...
...exist only in porn. There is no more beauty in 'cunt' than there is charm in 'fucking'.
Also: appropriate place for comment?
My sympathies to the family.
Good work
...i think that says it all. The stealthy comment is especially apt.
Stealthy(TWWWWWATTTTT!!!!)?
I don't like Korn, obviously you don't either. Is this justification for mocking the death of another person? I don't want to appear sanctimonious, but do you seriously have any idea what you're saying? Is your point that all stupid people deserve to be killed? You're mum's calling you for tea so you better hop off sugar!
Get
Stealthy banned please.
internet cowards
why? because there are idiots making fun of a man who was put into a coma and then died due to the injuries. just because the kid was disabled and the girlfriend was pregnant does not mean they cant go watch a show. Yes its risky as hell but it doesnt mean you cant take them to a show. Now if your pregnant girlfriend was getting bashed about in a moshpit she didnt start or want to be in, what would all of you guys do?
all messageboards are populated with these people desperate to get a laugh. making fun of people in comas, calling him braindead before, alot of you fuckers are small pieces of shit who wouldnt say that into a mans face. too many cowards who use this to get their kicks out of life knowing noone will beat them up for it.
everyone who made a disrespectful comment is a sad pathetic lonely human being who feels like making fun of people (less forunate than them) is what makes the world go around. probably gets you little sick bastards hard.
no justification for you people being born. i hope all the people who made these cowardly comments are placed in similar situations in the near future.
RIP Andy Richardson 1976 - 2006
died for an honourable thing
jeeez..
there are some fucking messed up people on here!!
Rules of the headbanger
*agrees with Petey on something*
I'm all for moshing, and nothing gets me more mad than those stupid 'anti-moshing measures' (like separating the first 200 people to turn up from the rest of the crowd) that end up with more casualties.
(Almost) everyone knows the rule is the closer you get, the more violent it becomes (and those who don't know learn soon enough). But even at the age of 15 I could handle myself at the front of Slayer, Slipknot and Alice Cooper - as the "violence" should, and generally does, equate for little more than being sandwiched, shaking your head and having the odd crowdsurfer land on you.
Anything more excessive than that is quickly resolved by crowd members or security - it's an unwritten code that punching someone is out of line; just as it's human nature to pick up someone who's fallen. Nothing can excuse what these monsters did - any decent human being would have acknowledged his surroundings and been cautious anyway and, had I been asked to "calm down because of these people", I would have helped escort said people further back in the crowd to safety.
Rest In Peace Andy. You did the right thing.
spot on..
..innit.
Sad But True
1st is this whole thing is just an outlet for media bandits. A few months ago it was GTA now its moshing but seeing as how noone got worked up they failed. (why not bring up the girl beaten to death by neo nazi's during ozzfest in San Bernardino?)
2nd Stealthy isnt the bad guy hes simply seperating emotion from logic; 1 if you dont want to get; bumped, kicked, bitten, punched, stomped, etc Dont get in or go near the pit. Hell even at Slayer shows theres a spot for you to get outta the way. "He did the right thing"=Bullshit. Now im a firm believer in what happens in the pit stays in the pit but still i dont mouth off when the odds are against my favor and im clearly in the wrong. Some may bitch "they have every right to be there" then they have every right to get knocked around. A g/f of mine had her jaw broken in a pit; she knew the risk and couldnt complain.
3rd;Now im not saying he deserved to die but dont give him the martyr badge just yet. Furthermore they probably just wanted to kick his ass and didnt mean to kill him.Most of us have been in a fight and if you killed a guy would you turn yourself in? Better still would you think of yourself as a monster for an accident even if you kicked him while he was down?.Unfortunate hes dead but if he hadnt opened his mouth (or instead of yelling at ppl having a good time convinced his friends to move) he would be alive right now.
Zeet, were you there?
1st - Rubbish. Unless you were there you don't know for sure exactly what this is about do you? From what I've read here it's about a senseless and brutal attack in a parking lot after a concert. Victim died from injuries sustained in the attack.
My deepest sympathies go out to his family and friends. I think Security should be increased both in the pit and outside the arena.
2nd - NO ONE, no one deserves to be "kicked, bitten, punched, stomped" ANYWHERE, unless maybe you're in the ring with Mike Tyson? And he doesn't deserve to be in the ring. I would like to see where it says on your ticket that if you go in the pit expect to be bitten, punched, stomped, etc.!!!
3rd - "Didn't mean to kill him?" You don't beat someone unconscious just because he "opened his mouth." Get a grip. Or get help if you need it. I mean it. The next fight you're in could be with your best friend or g/f.
This is a tragedy
All the members of Korn should be held responsible for this and should be locked up in prison like the animals they are. If it wasn't for their concert this would have never happened. They caused it and now they are going to get away with it because they are famous musicians? All the famous people that commit crimes get away with everything like Michael Jackson and OJ Simpsom or they get a slap on their wrist like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Martha Stewart, Pacman Jones, Etc.
This is a Tragedy
All the members of Korn should be held responsible for this and should be locked up in prison like the animals they are. If it wasn't for their concert this would have never happened. They caused it and now they are going to get away with it because they are famous musicians? All the famous people that commit crimes get away with everything like Michael Jackson and OJ Simpsom or they get a slap on their wrist like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Martha Stewart, Pacman Jones, Etc.
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