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There are two unbearable things on the face of this planet. One - Pain, and Two - Hearing people fucking whining about it. For ages. And repeatedly. If arrogant Nebraskan teen (well, whatever, he acts like he’s still 15) Oberst was in a fucking concentration camp, being brutally beaten and tortured then I’d let him off, but as it stands his chosen dish from Café D’angst is, like, girls LEAVING HIM! Oh. My. God. The poor guy. Get over it. DON’T act like a total prick and write songs about your once dearly-beloved, you insensitive brat, laden with hundreds of references only SHE will get, and only SHE will be hurt by. DON’T write a self-pitying concept album (last year’s ‘Fevers and Meeeeeeeeeers’), and DON’T let yourself off the hook by claiming it’s all a show, you’re only a character. That doesn’t work for Eminem and it doesn’t work for you. DO FUCKING NOT compose a song entitled ‘It’s cool, we can still be friends’, a bitter assault on an ex-lover, and end with the lines “I’m pouring some whisky, I’m gonna get real fucking drunk, so I pass out, and forget your face by the time I wake up”. You utter bastard.
Right, I believe you are depressed, I believe you have problems, and I believe it’s ok to write songs about it. But, and this is the important bit, don’t get all high and mighty and decide that these songs deserve to be displayed to the world! "But hey, you don’t have to buy them if you don’t want!" SO FUCKING WHAT? Once it intentionally enters the media then you’ve crossed that line, the line between personal gratification and belief that you have something to offer the world. Miserable fucking teens do not need more shoegazery, whining, self-pitying quotes for their MSN names. They need a good fucking slap round the face. They need rock and roll, outrage, disgust, and hell, even fucking happiness! Cheer the existential, weight-on-my-back-gotta-drink-fucking-vodka-to-stop-the-fucking-paaaaaiiiinn kids up! Don’t give them more ammo!
Desaparecidos is a good start, but stop screaming like you’ve just endured the worst pain in the world, and get that fucking trembly, ‘gonna cry I’m so sad’, tone from your voice, ok? No one should get away with such blatant self-pity, and usually they don’t. If he constantly phoned up his friends and whined at them about how sad he is, and how he thinks about suicide, they’d tell him to shut the fuck up and get over it (I would hope, anyway). It’s because he puts it in a song, in such a poetic style, that everybody goes "Ahhh" and worries about the poor little lad. Well WAKE UP! Here’s the truth: No one can go onstage night after night and FEEL all that pain. He’s kidding himself and he’s kidding you. How can he still feel for a girl that dumped him years previously? (Well, ok, I’m not ruling that out, but she probably dumped him because of his constant fucking whining! He deserved it!) The guy is wallowing, and he makes you wallow too.
Now, some people say that the Bright Eyes game isn’t about self-pity. No, really, they do. When that boy goes into the studio to record a song, all that can possibly emerge from his collapsing little frame is total and utter T-O-R-T-U-R-E! And get this, we apparently walk away from the experience feeling happier, having come through the worst with our little ‘Wunderkind’ guiding us by the hand. WELL! What’s the best word to describe all that bollocks?
Oh well, BOLLOCKS will do. Sing it loud, sing it far. Run the fuck over to Omaha and bleat it in the bastard’s face. He has A CHOICE! Choice one is to sing songs, like a normal little boy, hitting all the right notes and not going out of his way to whine for a new surrogate mother/teenage fan. Choice two is to use song writing as a diary, a self-obsessed (yes, you were right on ‘Padraic my prince’), self-pitying (don’t deny it, he isn’t talking about war), self-indulgent little teenage diary. For god-knows-how-long he’s been walking the second road, but thankfully that trend seems to be bucking slightly, as, on the new EP, he cuts the method acting rubbish for a few brief moments and decides to sing properly. And all nicely! Aww. You do have to wade through loads of ‘look at me!’ crap about doctors and pills though, which is a shame.
Hey, I used to like Bright Eyes. I used to appreciate the self-pity and relate it to my own experiences (like I’m sure you do). But like most bands out there, they either let you down, or you realise the truth. And the truth is that listening to Bright Eyes turns you into a whiny little vodka-drinking cunt, and I don’t think any of us really wants to be like that, do we? Be "entranced" by this moaning indie-bollocks if you will, but I for one couldn’t give a toss about this or any other Saddle Creek band. It’s a cyclical (i.e. it won’t fucking die!) culture of liars, whiners, shoegazers and poets. Oh, I forgot, they’re all the same thing. Bastards. Bright Eyes may be heading in a slightly more acceptable direction, but ‘Wunderkind’ Conor still has that pin ready and waiting to stick deep into his hand. Question is, are you gonna give him the time of day?
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meh. i was gonna write something as a sort of dig, but then i thought no. i'm feeling strangely optimistic tonight (been waltered.) so i'll let you off or something like that.
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you insult saddle creek, you insult my cat!! (and he's obese. and when he's hyper, really quite nasty. so don't do it!)
damn it, you've really aggravated me now.
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congratulations are in order of sorts.
i really should goto bed.
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Damn you Steph. No wonder Mark left you.
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May I ask of your musical knowledge, experience in reviewing, etc?
Also, what are your favourite bands?
The most obvious reaction to you rant on Mr Oberst is: Don't listen to Bright Eyes or Desaparchidos, then.
Also, if you used to like Bright Eyes and, by your own admission, you can see an appeal, why contradict yourself by saying Conor is a "prick?"
What exactly makes Conor arrogant to you? I find it amusing that someone who doesn't know a person personaly can comment on their personality traits.
He could be arrogant for all I know, but how the fuck does anyone know, apart from his friends and family?
Of course, other people do it, but they don't compile in to a 'aren't Bright Eyes shit?' piece.
Your argument is confusing - do you resent the content or the style?
At one point you talk about lyrics and then muffle it up by talking about a different style of music.
On the lyrical point, don't think that knowledge of aa band gives you a license to slag them off - you are still displaying a lot of ignorance.
As for style - jesus, Bright Eyes aren't trying to be the Vines or At The Drive In.
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The Beatles were shit because they weren't punk enough' or 'The Deftones should learn to chill the fuck out'.
And as you point out - Conor tried a different style with Desparachidos.
I realise music is all about opinion and lyrics are based on intrepation, unless the writer spells it out - but why do you suppose others share your opinion? Especially when you're just plucking judgements out of the air.
As for the live show - how naive would it be to assume that any performer would 'feel' the emotion that invoked them to create the art they are performing night after night?
I know you probably wanted to stir up a reaction, but you've embarassed yourself.
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The other stuff by Bright Eyes is "somewhat vague" to me though :( .
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yes, maybe you lack the talent to put your soul into song. and if you are really wanting to hear someone whine, go to your homepage and read... v-e-r-y...s-l-o-w-l-y. grow up and wear something to cover up the green hue of your skin.
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'Lifted..' is in my top 5 albums of the year infact.
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p.s. idols are meant to bring hope.
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I bet you love eminem dontcha.. you sad redneck homophobe!
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The man has a point though.
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that's an achievement in itself really.
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hmmm, I suspect this comment is going to piss a few people off.
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HAHAHHAHAHAH what a dumb....I cant say it, there are children here...as in YOU
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Haha. Sounds interesting. You should try a band called Cancerslug. What they lack in musical talent, they make up in lyrics such as,"I wish I could have torn your mother's cunt apart and plucked you out way before you were born." Your article was amazing. I am a fan of Bright Eyes, but that was hilarious. And true for the most part. I think it's ok to like emo music, but if it's the only thing you listen to, and you can't even joke about it, it's rather pathetic.
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This tom fella hasn't written for the site since this article. Out of his own choice. And just look what else he did review - the vines? the coral? er, HELLO!
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So I'm an ugly angry kid and i like Bright Eyes.
But yeah, the article has a few good points which shall be addressed when i get my interview. Along with that question everyone wants to know the answer to about the kiss with Winona which turned up in The Sun.
Was just saying all the blind hatred of that bright eyes article shouldn't be seen as the editorial line at dis (most people don't realise I let anyone old crazy rant about music on 'ere!)
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Sounds to me like someones just a bit bitter. I admire Bright Eyes for there dishonesty and honsety. Who is to tell someone else what is there story to tell. An author gets to write about characters why can't a songwriter do the same? You know, they can! They should it helps the expansion of the art. And I've heard the lyrics to not all, but quite a few of Conor's songs and I don't view all of them as negative as your making them seem. Maybe, or it could be that you have a negative outlook either way, whether someone like a songwriter, gives you the excuse to. Its all about viewpoint.
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This provocative article proves the age-old saying that any publicity is good publicity.
And the majority of people replying to the earlier criticism will be looking forward to the August tour.
But you never get people coming on to say 'yeah,I agree that x band are awful' because they wouldn't be interested in opening the thread in the first place.
For all those that were interested - see you all at the Manchester and London gigs.
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Or is he supporting someone in London?...
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Can't wait.
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and you can sure articulate yourself well.
that post made precisely zero valid points, unless 'i disagree strongly' counts.
Are you going to attempt to defend Conor's publicly snotty, whiney, emotional exhibitionist and self-pitying behaviour towards his ex girlfriend(s) ? How'd you like it if your ex started doing that?
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Christ, you should have seen the flack I took for accidentally misquoting a Bright Eyes lyric, it wiped the floor with that whole Elvis Costello/
Ray Charles affair for gravitas...
Can we not just remove that link from that fanzine? I haven't seen such a hooha since someone went on the Belle and Sebastian website suggesting that Stuart thingymajic was a 'bit wet'...
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But then again you said you were once a Bright Eyes fan (which completely baffled me). So this could be just jealousy.
Grow up and stop writing novels about people you aren't fond of.
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Really annoys me that folks visiting our site think that we hate one of my favourite bands.
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Lanky.
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he just stopped. for no apparent reason.
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wow.
anyway. hi. i do not care about conor's music, what shit he's been through, or whatever.
all i know-he's &%(!@$( hot. i'd wanna do him. that would be more than i'd deserve, to do lil' skinny conor oberst.
haha. look at me, i'm a shallow pervert without any self respect. doesn't that just rock?
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im an ugly angry sad bastard, and i both love and hate bright eyes for that reason.
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hey, you can have an opinion, but that was so pathetic, it was actually a bit amusing. thanks for the laugh :D
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1. i do not like justin's music or any or nsync
2. i think conor's lyrics have more meaning then justin's
i don't think neither of them are "hot" or should be considered god's. i remember someone comparing conor with bob dylan and i thought that was nuts. unless they are only comparing because of their singing.
to me, my god are john lennon, george harrison, the boss, jim morrison and mr. bob dylan himself :)
anywya, my little rambling for today
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you should be ashamed Tom Sykes, absolute moron.
if you don't "get" Bright Eyes/Oberst then that's your choice. but for the attention of drownedinsound, negative articles are fine if they're constructive, intelligent or witty. but if i want to read crap like this Tom Sykes article i'll stick to Mein Kempf.
never publish this writer again please, i'd rather read the opinions of a lizard.
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but even still, years on, its getting peoples goats.
expect a somewhat glowing review (aslong as he's got his socks pulled up) of next weeks Shepherds Bush show from me.
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Oh and if you're going to make a lame Hitler/Nazi comparison in the first post of a thread (try a google search on 'Godwin's Law'), you could at least spell Mein Kampf right.
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please don't reply, i don't intend to.
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would've been great to see Ben Gibbard.
enjoy.
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hmmm
I reckon the above article carries a blatant 'tougue in cheek' undercurrent, and is slightly amusing...
however, for all a lot of the 'angsty' complaints smack of a need to think before acting, if someone wrote a similar diss on say...the above bands, or Jeff Buckley/The Clash, David Holmes, Squarepusher, A Tribe Called Quest etc., I would feel an ever so slight urge to scream 'YOU'RE WRONG', then I'd realise this would reflect badly on myself, the artist concerned, and music generally, as it would be devoid of humour, or the ability to consider differing opinions... I'm not an especially big fan of 'ranting' crit. myself as it seems far too easy to slate something unequivocally, still the above article is highly impressive to this end, mind you, for all the hatred surrounding Mr Oberst's personality, and the fact that his stage presence made me think 'if your that depressed, please do something else as you're boring me' I've seen a couple of interviews where he comes across as a reasonably sound guy
lastly, I'll just take the time to plug
www.noripcord.co.uk
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people enjoy depressing music to compare it with there own lives.. just because somone sings about depressing things in there lives dosnt mean thats what they live and feed on...but for some of us, thats all we have...
try not to judge people without knowing them
and maybe you will get somewhere besised a
bunch of teenage kids complaning on your comments
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just an option :/
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I'm actually a really nice girl... - Mary
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calm down
sorry that u r so angry :)
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I am NOT sick of Conor Oberst
YOU WHINEY BASTARD!!!
ANYONE WHO LISTENS TO CONORS MUSIC WILL KNOW THAT YOU ARE WRITING SUCH UTTER BULLSHIT!! GET A LIFE AND DONT BE SO JEALOUS OF OTHERS WHO HAVE ONE!!! OR BETTER STILL JUST GO JUMP OFF A BRIDGE!!
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P.S. I do actually like Bright Eyes, a lot. I just dont like you.
fuck you man
Perspective
The truth of the matter is, like the rest of us, he must either live or die. His living depends on the success (or failure) of his chosen profession: Music. Anything he does to push this machine forward is what is called a "shtick". His shtick, or method of operation, involves using techniques such as sad lyrics, bad vocals, and acoustic guitar parts, anything and everything his set includes, to attract a certain set of audience members so that he can make X amount of money to continue the show. This audience usually includes young people who fall along the same personality lines or for some other reason are attracted to the music. (or Conor.)
Mature or not, vulgar or not, our friend Tom had some intriguing points. What Conor is trying to instill is definitely something worthy of note, but is it as noteworthy as many give him credit for? Alot of people think so...but let's look at the facts:
1. In a range of 50 websites in a research survey conducted, 80% of all postage and statistics/voting on Conor Oberst was by majority, women. I am not saying this is a problem, but I am saying that the appeal of Conor's music is far more limited than that of the credit done for him.
2.You look up any music site, such as a CD sales site, and I'll guarantee you that almost every one of the sites that list Conor as a genius or have some suck-up long ass article on him will have a 50%--0% smaller article on Jimi Hendrix, someone with a far greater musical lineage, legendary status, and record sales than Conor Oberst/Saddle Creek/Desa/Bright Eyes combined. What does this say about my point?
Alot.
My Final Point: Conor's shtick is not universal. It can only appeal to a certain mindset, and can only be appreciated by a certain type of individual. It is limited. It is youthful. It is credible--to a degree. I respect his abilities, I respect Conor, and I respect his intentions; but Conor is, like the rest of us, flesh and blood.
Conor is not God. And be damned to whoever says so.
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And the word fuck is a very useful addition to anyone's vocabulary.
Lanky.
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Sick of Conor Oberst, eh?
Yes, Conor has problems, there is no denying it. He's an alcoholic, depressed, etc., but instead of accusing him of doing it to be cool, why not give him the benefit of the doubt and have some COMPASSION?
Do you have a heart? Why would you tear someone down like that?
-Leah.
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okayokay you lil immature skanks.
dont listen to him.
gahhh that fuckin easy.
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I wanna be...hypocrisy
And yet, more stupidity from our author:
"He has A CHOICE! Choice one is to sing songs, like a normal little boy, hitting all the right notes and not going out of his way to whine for a new surrogate mother/teenage fan. Choice two is to use song writing as a diary, a self-obsessed (yes, you were right on ‘Padraic my prince’), self-pitying (don’t deny it, he isn’t talking about war), self-indulgent little teenage diary."
And you have your respective choices. Choice one: To not listen to bands you hate, and Choice two: To think that Conor Oberst is going to sell out to target the demographic whose musical taste goes as deep as KISS songs.
Really, if you want simplicity, Whitesnake CD's can be bought for about 10 cents. Otherwise, just change the station whenever you hear one of his songs.
Also, the safety pin-in-the-hand bit was nothing but a joke.
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I love Bright Eyes, but I can also admit that I think he has flaws in his music (though not in his looks!) and writing.
Does anyone honestly think that what he writes, he writes to appeal others? Hi songs are so laden with meaning and feeling, that it's a surprise he feels comfortable enough to share them with his fans.
Bottom line is: If you don't like Bright Eyes, don't listen to him. If you want to talk about him, don't make it a personal attack. You don't know Conor so you can't make assumptions based just on his music.
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and saddle creek is the best.
as well as conor's voice. at least he has feelings.
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i love him
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it's obviously not your first language but...
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ohhhh.....when will they introduce a "Decent Taste" A-level?? I guarantee the pass rates would be lower than most subjects!!!! :-P
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Can't we even bitch in peace????
teejayallbadly, you leave me no option but to hate you viciously.
I'm fed up of people wqho do the whole "oh you're so fucking narrow minded" thing whenever someone says an artist is crap. for fiuck's sakes....it was an article about NOT liking Conor Oberst, ok?!?!? so if you DO like him....you have two options.
1) Suggest to us why we should give him a second chance. suggest to us why you think we're mistaken in our judgements. Instead of just saying "oh you're so narrow minded" or "he's a prodigy" because WE'LL IGNORE YOU or FUCKING HATE YOU!
2) FUCK OFF, IGNORE THE ARTICLE AND LEAVE US TO BITCH IN PEACE!!!!
Let me ask you this....ever had a conversation with a friend about how much an artist SUCKS????? yeah????? well, i guarantee that if some stranger came up and said "oh look, you're being, like, sooooo narrow minded, you hate-filled ignoramuses, the guy's a prodigy" then you'd think they were a FLIPPIN' WANKER, right????? so now have a look at yourself, teejayallbadly.
if you don't like what's on this site then either ignore it, or try and persuade us properly.
fuckwit.
nerrr, nerr, ni-nerr-nerrr.
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ps: fuck you.
i agree with 'faithlesswondergirl'
point 1: how could you even think about saying that you hope conors friends told him to fuck off if he ever called them up talking about depression and suicide. do you do that to youyr friends? do you want them to kill themselves? what if somone did that to you? im sure that would make you get over it REAL fast.
2: you cant tell someone to get over something. you dont know what its like for them. when im depressed the last thing i want to hear is someone telling me to get over it or that my problems are insignificant or that i should be happy and listen to happy music. conors music has gotten me through many hard times and with out them i would probably be even more depressed.
3: dont attack someones personality when you dont know them. dont juge. its really fucking annoying.
4: do you really think conors high and mighty? have you LISTENED to his music? and yes he does have something to offer. to SOME people. maybe not you but dont make it sound like he's so horrible and no one should like him. people are different. people have different opions. like who you like. dont force who you like on others. im not saying "listen to conor you bastard" just letting you know i dont think hes crap. and honestly i dont know why i bother because this probably wont make a difference to anyone.
i mean, hey, you an have your own opinions but stop telling people that their opions arent valid. im going to listen to whatever the hell i want to and you can do the same. i think conor is a genious and his music and especially his lyrics are the reasons why bright eyes is my favorite band. im going to go listen to fevors and MEEEEEEEEEEERS now because i love conors beautiful WHINY voice!
Don't listen to it.
Lol it's THAT simple. I don't know what's most pathetic. A guy getting some of his feelings out (a guy who has a very beautiful way of playing with words I might add) or a guy whining about a guy who's whining.
If you don't like Connor's music or lyrics, then by all means don't listen to it. Nobody's forcing you.
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basicall, what i was saying was that.....you're trying to say that the guy was wrong to write the article in some way by saying he's childish etc, and you pretty much say that having a go at an artists style or talent is wrong. err....why?!?!? first of all, bitching on style is fiiiiine, you probably do it the whole time yourself, about popstars and punters alike. second, i think the point is it's *lack of* talent we're talking about here...
basically, he can write whatever the fuck he likes. if you've got a different opinin, then air it. if someone's got the facts worong, correct them. but please oh please don't try and claim that the *shouldn't* be writing such articles, as if they're breaking some moral code or something. And as for all the crap people like you come up with like "you're just jealous" or "your soo childish, man" or any of that kinda crap...it's all window-dressing. meaningless crap, designed to get around the fact that THEY JUST DON'T HOLD YOUR OPINIONS!!!!!
The guy can write what he likes, end of story. there's no 'right' way of writing the articles, there are no aspects of an artist you should avoid in discussion....you gonna try and stop us writing about people's haircuts next?!? don't deny us that luxury, please!!
maybe you think the guy's a dick for writing the article. Fine!! who cares?? doubt he cares bout your opinion. so just say "Hey! Shit article! You're a dickhead!"....don't try and say how *bad* and *wrong* it is to write that kinda article. Betcha you'd be happily cheering on the author if a near-identical article was written about someone you didnt like. but let's not start on the whole hypocite thing, yeah?!?! there's a vicious circle waiting to happen there. suffice to say, in the childish manner you've bestowed upon me...you started it!
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so what?
this is old, so what....
So Tom, by the same token we should slash the paintings of Francis Bacon and burn the works of Poe because they plumb the depths of emotion and are too macabre/violent/depressing? Just by the fact Oberst can evoke such images makes him a fine lyricist. Whether YOU engage in his music is your choice but it PISSES ME OFF that by reading this excuse for journalism someone may be put off from discovering him.
Oberst said himself he finds a catharsis in writing and it is carthartic for many poeple to listen to it. As someone mentioned before Oberst is the Dylan of our generation but this will probably not be written in stone until he is six feet under (see Nick Drake, the late Elliot Smith etc). Fittingly, Dylan has in the past been accused of being whiney and grating in vocal style. It is just personal taste but there is no doubting his lyrical beauty and genius.
On a more personal note, I just hope for his family's sake that the author and anyone else with the same lack of compassion and understanding do not in the future get clinical depression if his 'friends' in the world he lives in would reject him and leave him to suffer on his own. It is because of ignorant fucks like you that depression still has a stigma attached to it. It is not a state of mind, it is a biological condition.
and, yes, i do like Mclusky. sorry to confuse you.
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If you look at the early work of Dylan, it further confirms the fact that Oberst is on the same road. He is only going to flourish as a lyricist and story-teller. Provided he stays on this earth a liitle longer and has stronger and more supportive friends than the authors.
Haha.
Great art provokes reaction. If you didn't care about what the guy did, they you'd probably have the right to start calling him shit.
Oh and what a shoddy article. You have to learn to be somewhat neutral and constructive in your writing, otherwise you just sound like a desperate drunk hurling abuse on a street corner.
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French accents help
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and as a matter of fact you should know that your a million times more anoying than any music 've ever heard
and ive heard smashmouth before , oh im sorry you probally like smashmouth.
ok your more annoying than...than...uh...a justin timberlake cover band called justin timberiver.
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If you genuinely like the guy then fair enough... I just found the article amusing in a bitchy sort of way.
As for my views on bright eyes being 'the reason that this concrete continent is such a fucking mess of dehumanizing machinery'... get a fucking grip. I have no issue with emotion... infact theres a lot of emotional music I love. It just doesn't happen to be described as 'emo'. urgh. Bright eyes emotion makes me cringe because it seems fake, overdone, whiny, and that stops it having a genuine emotional impact for me. I can't get beyond the irritation of his vocal style. Its a personal thing. When emotion comes in more subtle and genuine forms I find it a lot more effective.
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You're whining about someone's whining
also, you said it's ok to write those songs for oneself but not to present them to the world...well if the world doesnt like them then the world has the option of not buying into it....but lots of people are buying into it, so good for them and good for Conor. He owes it to himself to be honest and do what he loves, and that is just what he is apparently doing...there are always gonna be people who hate you no matter who you are or what you do, that is no reason to stop or hide.
nice
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He is brilliant.
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Am I know whining about whining about someone whining about someone whining?
not sick of emotions
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i hope you choke on all your bullshit.
mayb you should research and form a coherant opinion next time you cunt.
what the fuck?
if you really want to bitch about a whiny bastard, then please, for the love of god, bitch about CHRIS CARRABBA of Dashboard Confessional. I guarantee he is much more of a pain in the ass than Conor is.
We should be thankful that such a young person can write about such emotion like that. It defies stereotypes of teenagers. He is an amazing individual.
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I like Conor, some don't, good for them.
He isn't the next mozart, that's for sure, but he is a good artist.
Deal with it.
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One thing that's worse than you
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you should think before you open your pie hole on account of the obvious truth that you deny this guy's ability to write a damn good song. have you read the lyrics? nah, you'd rather just piss on em and jam out to the latest metallica track.
-Ex
p.s. i too am male and of the femail diggin persuasion... does it burn?
tamuritzalingua
us / they
something about the mosquitoes having some kind of disease
them / me
CIA foul play
if you ask the guy selling hair dryers out of a gym bag
chemical warfare
"i'm telling you, lab rat to lab rat," he says, "that's where the truth
is at"
that's where the truth is at
that's where the truth is at
and everything seems to have gone terribly wrong that can
but one breath at a time is an acceptable plan
she tells herself
and the air is still there
and this morning it's even breathable
and for a second the relief is unbelievable
and she's a heavy sack of flour sifted
her burden lifted
she's full of clean wind for one lean moment
and then she's trapped again
reverted
caged and contorted
with no way to get free
and she's getting plenty of little kisses
but nobody's slippin' her the key
her whole life is a long list of what ifs
and she doesn't even know where to begin
and the pageantry of suffering therein
rivals television
tv is, after all, the modern day roman coliseum
human devastation as mass entertainment
and now millions sit jeering
collectively cheering
the bloodthirsty hierarchy of the patriarchal arrangement
she is hailing a cab
she is sailing down the avenue
she's 19 going on 30
or maybe she's really 30 now ...
it's hard to say
it's hard to keep up with time once it's on its way
and, you know, she never had much of a chance
born into a family built like an avalanche
and somewhere in the 80s between the oat bran and the ozone
she started to figure out things like why
one eye pointed upwards looking for the holes in the sky
one eye on the little flashing red light
a picasso face twisted and listing down the canvas
of the end of an endless night
10 9 8 seven six 5 4 three 2 one
and kerplooey
you're done.
you're done for.
you're done for good.
so tell me
did you?
did you do?
did you do all you could?
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Intensely emotional. Manically depressed. Overwhelmed by the things that he is afraid of and mocked by the contemporary majority. He expresses himself in a manner many of us can only wish we were able to, and it results in art that fuels immense debate. Some love it, some hate it. Few understand it, and even fewer understand its creator. Some will never witness it (these people should be considered less fortunate than those that like OR dislike it).
I could be talking about Beethoven and his music.
I could be talking about Van Gogh and his paintings.
I could be talking about Byron and his poetry.
I could be talking about Conor Oberst's songs.
I could be talking absolute bollocks.
Those who agree with the latter may prefer this one:
A whining little prick feels a little negative emotion and decides to broadcast it to the world as if he has some kind of divine right to inflict that negative emotion on to everybody else...
Am I talking about Conor Oberst, or am I talking about Tom Sykes and the rest of the hypocrites on this thread? Can you tell? Or have you got your heads so far up your own asses that your ears are full of shit and you can't hear anything other than your own self-righteous opinions that you are somehow pretentious enough to believe warrant this kind of exposure? Just look at the responses this article has resulted in. Arguments, bitching, an immense amount of hate-mongering (for which I'm sure you're all proud). But at the end of the day you have to be a special kind of hypocrite to rally this many people together to do fuck all but whinge about the things that you despise when the one thing you seem to despise the most is a person who whinges about the things that he despises.
As if that's not enough, there are people like Jesta here who think they should be left to 'bitch in peace' (3rd Nov, 04:04). Apparently if we like Bright Eyes we have two options - 1: Suggest why they should give Conor a second chance, or 2: Fuck off and leave them to bitch in peace. WELL, how's about THIS Jesta; those of you who don't like Bright Eyes have two options - you can either put up with the fact that we have as great a right to defend him as you have to slate him, or you can FUCK OFF AND LET HIM BITCH IN PEACE!!!
Just consider for one minute (or as long as your attention span can manage), that art is art. Plain and simple. Your opinion of it is NEVER a reflection of the quality of that art, regardless of the medium. It is a reflection of you as a person. That is the POINT of art; self-discovery, finding something that you can relate to. Some things you like, some things you don't, but you are never fully qualified to judge its quality because you cannot possibly be objective. Why? BECAUSE IT'S ART, THAT'S WHY!!! It's sole role in our lives is to captivate us emotionally. Are you seriously arrogant enough to suggest that if it doesn't captivate YOU then it's not good enough to warrant publication? The simple fact that so many people on this thread have been angered by your narrow-minded comments proves that you are, without a doubt, very, very wrong. Conor is an awesome artist. I'm delighted to have discovered his music because I personally feel a connection with it that I don't get from any other artist. And just because I like it more than anything else, I'm not stupid enough to believe that makes it better than everything else. Likewise the fact that you don't like it does not mean it is worse than everything else that you do like. If that really is what you think, then you really need to get over yourself.
How much proof do we need
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A question to you, fantastic_tom, how many songs have you actually heard by bright eyes before basing your biased opinions on them? His songs are beautiful and poetic, and I'm sure that anything he creates is much more exquisite than any shit you come out with. I can't wait until everyone rejects you for the arrogant person that you are and you become more depressed than this person that you hate so much for his creativity.
And just on a last note I would like to say that I am not attracted to him in any way, in fact, it's quite the opposite. So don't just say that all his female fans are only his fans because of his appearance.
Have a nice day, loser
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i can bet E4 will buy the viewing rights to it. Or maybe even Sky! yay!
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I love Bright Eyes and I love Conor Oberst. But I think that everyone is taking themselves just a little bit too seriously.
The author of this piece has a right to his opinion (ie- hating Bright Eyes) as much as I have a right to mine (ie- loving Bright Eyes). I don't really understand this impulse to leap to the defense of the band by flaming the author. It won't change the author's opinion, it won't help Conor Oberst, it makes you look dumb... Why bother?
Don't get worked up. Understand that the author does have some interesting points- though not remotely well written or rationally expressed- about the excess and pretentiousness of 'emo' .
But meh. I like emo. I like Bright Eyes. Don't get your knickers in a twist. =)
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And seriously, how can you ask someone to not be so angry, then tell them to fuck off... that just doesn't make sense...
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Some people say conor oberst's music is over the top, fair enough, i can se why you would think that. But a lot of people like it, so deal with it. Not everyone likes the same things, thankfully.
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Another thing, he accuses oberst of being a 'shoegazer', i saw a clip of bright eyes live and he seemed like a very dynamic frontman. Not boring at all.
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"I do not read the reviews. No, I am not singing for you."
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Let's break it down:
1. You hate Conor Oberst because his lyrics are tragic
2. You hate him because...BECAUSE HE"S FAMOUS AND YOU"RE NOT AND BECAUSE YOU'RE A BITTER LITTLE ARSE WHO WANTS ATTENTION.
Did you post this site to ridicule Conor, or because you knew he fans would respond vehemtly, and so you could go off and feel important? Do you like feeling so hated, because that way you can pretend that we all care what you think? What are you, some sort of twisted conformist? Conor is an individual who expresses music in a way that's obviously too in-depth for your little mind to comprehend. Or, I could be wrong. Maybe you're really just crying out for attention, and posing it off as an attack on Conor. Who were you writing about, really, him or yourself? And you might whine and pout, and tell me that I'm just a stupid bitch, or that I'm going to hell in a handbasket or whatever. but hey, that's just your opinion.
And this is my opinion, you stupid, whiny little fop.
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-- 17 year old girl not restricted to indie lovin'.
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This article has been winding people up for ages.
Top work.
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conor oberst is awesome
saddle creek is awesome
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people can whine about what they want, music would be boring if the whining just came from being beaten in a concentration camp. if something petty is where conor pulls his inspiration from, then let him, he's obviously doing something impressive here, as its not just 16 year old girls but anywhere from 20 to 40 year old adults attending the sold out shows.
AMAZING. JERKS.
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So, stop being a hating bastard, and think before you write it ALL down.
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and, on that bombshell: im off to drink red wine, out of the bottle. sideways.
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While I'll admit to basically worshipping Conor as a God, I'm not going to get all pissy at you about it. And here's why. I CAN LAUGH AT MYSELF. Yes, you have a point, he's sad all the time, more than a little whiney, and no one should care as much about his problems as they do. Also, he can't hold a note worth shit and his voice cracks could shatter glass. BUT THAT ISN'T THE POINT. The point is the raw emotion and poetry that comes from the music. You don't have to agree or like it, I won't try and convince you to. But you have to admit, Oberst has a lot more talent than most of the bands they play on radio. Seriously, couldn't we all stop hating on Conor, a man who, while lacking in vocal talents, obviously more than makes up for it in lyrical ability. (Remember: It's not if you think the topics of his songs are whiney and insipid, it's the language that he uses to describe it. You must admit at least that is good.) and start bashing on Justin Timberlake who can't sing OR write music?
Finally, don't lump all of Saddle Creek in with Bright Eyes. I happen to love Bright Eyes, but if you don't, that doesn't mean you'll hate all of Saddle Creek. Listen to one song by Bright Eyes, on by Rilo Kiley, one by Cursive, and one by The Faint and THEN tell me that they all sound the same. They don't.
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Conclusion A: Nobody Cares About Anybody. It's apparent, because people seem to continually say "nobody cares about you" and "nobody cares about your opinion". It's sad, but I'm going to say it's true, as nobody will care that I have written this response anyway.
Conclusion B: Everyone whines. No matter what, you will whine, no matter how hard you try not to, you will. So give it up. The guy who wrote the article, amidst his comments, ended up whining. Well over half these respones, minus the intelligent ones, are whiny. So the truth is everyone whines. It's like trying to tell people you never cry, or you're not afraid of anything.
Conclusion C: Some people like Conor Oberst, some people are neutral towards Conor Oberst, Some people hate Conor Oberst. Please look back to conclusion A to figure out about how much this matters.
Conclusion D: Everyone hates everyone. Despite the people who have similar opinions, the truth is that everyone hates everyone else here. If you didn't hate them then you wouldn't waste your time with this shit. As join_in put "no one should give a shit". But for some reason people feel the need to tell other people that they "are ignorant bastards", "whiny emo kids", "fags" or they "suck cok".
Conclusion E (The Big Point): THIS ARGUEMENT IS FUCKING STUPID. Stop wasting your time defending or degrading an artist who could give a shit either way. What the fuck do you think you're accomplishing by sitting around shooting off opinions at eachother, thinking that the other person will somehow magically bow to your thoughts? Find some fucking better things to argue about than the credibility of Conor Oberst's music. Because ultimately, it will get you nowhere, no one is going to believe you, no one is going to agree, so fucking give it up.
Like what you want, listen to what you want. Stop fucking wasting time when someone doesn't like the same things you do. Because, I know this may suprise you, but we're all different people.
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u learn sumin everyday...
i think people that spend hours on one argument r sad!
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Rap artists these days use bad language so often maybe they should all be taken off the radio...but rappers like eminem aren't being taken off, they're just getting more popular...so i suppose if vulgar music like that can be promoted then it is only fair to allow every musician to create whatever music they want.
And you can say he shouldn't allow his music to enter the public...but you can say that about any other music as well...every musician has the right to distribute his music as he wishes...and if he's not good enough obviously he will fail...but Oberst is clearly talented, and is able to connect with his audiences, despite a somewhat shaky voice and whatever other shortcomings you ranted about earlier...but somehow his music has become widespread and popular so it seems that he has been successful...and he really isn't interested in the commercial aspect of the music industry...and he should be applauded for not selling out like so many other artists have...he has actually criticized the commercial artists and Clear Channel for the destruction of indie music and promotion of the punk pop bands like good charlotte and shit like that...
If he wants to write songs about how sad he is then let him...those are his feelings and thoughts and if thats how he wants to express them then that's fine...and if people want to listen to "depressing" music then that's fine too...
The bottom line is he is a talented musician...maybe he is a whiney, negative emo boy...and maybe he isn't the most talented musician vocally...but he is an incredible lyricist, although you may not care for his subjects, and he is talented instrumentalist...
And if you don't like that it is slowly filtering into the mainstream music cycle...then don't listen to it...i know you claim that's not possible...but i think you're wrong...
just like when some stupid eminem shit comes on...i change the station...simple as that...
so tom sykes...if you don't like it then don't listen to it...and just allow others who respect and enjoy the music to continue to do just that!
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if you don't like the way he sings then fair enough...
but to claim his music isn't heartfelt and genuine seems completely irrational...
And what music do you find a more subtle and genuine form of emotion...??
i'm curious...
i don't think there's much more sincerity than in Oberst's songs...
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Rock on Conor Oberst! \m/
These people are fuck-offs.
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BEATIFUL AND DEEP. whoever wrote this article should just
keep their opion to themselves..conor oberst dosnt need to be criticized by some loser. Conor Oberst rocks. He is so
wonderful and you dont understand. Open your eyes loser.
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YOU
FUCKING
IGNORANT
TWAT
sadly, you see, the depressed are beyond the slap the happy want to give. that's why it's not 'just' sadness. and i've read my fair share of shit teenage poetry- i've written my fair share of shit teenage poetry. but are we saying the people who most need to expulge feeling shouldn't?
er
perhaps
we need
to rethink?
*clanging sound of jaw-dropped journalist*
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<< Overall, if you dont have anything positive to say about someone, then dont say it at all. >>
Sadly, saying things which aren't always positive is part and parcel of music criticism.
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the first post was one of the funniest things I've read in ages, but then, I also think that Bright Eyes is gifted -
and in terms of honesty in his music and lyrics - it's honest in a 'loneliness of the long distance runner' kind of honesty, and it means a lot to some and nothing to others...no art is universal, neither is the way in which we appreciate it, therefore, anyone's opinion counts in some way.
And now in danger of contradicting myself...
People, yes, he is attractive, but if you base your entire 'pro-Conor' argument around the fact that he's a pretty indie boy, it kind of invalidates the argument, or at least makes it easier for people to laugh at you or ignore you.
And I saw him live last week - he smiled through most of the show.
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I don't think it's great that you voice it the way you do.
Many people, including myself think that whiney shit, well, is whiney shit and is quite annoying. I used to be a big fan of it, until I realized it was all the same and I found it to do nothing but make me sad. So I stopped listening to it. The only band I will listen to that people somtimes group w/ the 'emo' genre (which I find rediculous), is Bright Eyes. I don't find them emo, though, and I enjoy them very much.
But that is all besides the point here.
Opinions are fine. And I don't know you, but your first impression gives me a feeling that you are very close minded. I do not mean this to be offending. I am just stating my own opinion. Can you honestly sit there and say you have never been heart-broken? Or sad? Or wanting to die? Because if you can honestly say that, or honestly think that, I believe that you have missed out on life. Who can imagine life as just happiness and joy, and find it interesting? I, for one, can not.
I believe Conor Oberst is talented, and there are few of those people in the world who can share their talent. He writes his songs on the things in life that everyone experiences. Or at least most. If you can not honestly find one song that you listen to by Conor Oberst that you find your own memory within, all I can tell you is that you are not living. That you must be perfect.
And if you are perfect, I feel very sorry for you.
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His music makes me smile...I don't know why people think his music is bad...but it suppose we are all entitled to our own opinion.
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Oh get a sense of humour. I've been depressed and known people who are depressed and suicidal - my opinions on bright eyes music remain the same. I'm sorry but I find his exaggerated over-the-top 'I'm just about to start crying' voice phony and irritating a lot of the time. It does not sound even slightly sincere to me. Maybe it is sincere, maybe it isn't, but as he's releasing music to the world, I'm entitled to judge the music on it's musical merits, the way it sounds. And it sounds horribly exaggerated and insincere to me.
But you like it and that's okay - just don't presume that everyone will, or that those who don't somehow 'arent getting it', as that's bullshit. You'll probably come to the same conclusion yourself once you outgrow your, ooh, what is it, 13-year-old angst ?
Nuff said.
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First off, you're fucking retarded. Conor is obviously more sucessful than you if you can write about his fame, and you sit at home on friday nights and spin around on your spinny chair by the computer listening to britney spears, then you get an AWESOME idea to write about amazing conor oberst, bashing on him, saying he's all about sadness and pity, when you're the one wanting pity from your beast 4 paragraph peice of shit. And why do you think that you can change someone's mind? Once you like Bright Eyes, most likely you always will. You sit there and say, my opinion is right, your's is wrong.. well guess what smartass, other people have opinions as strong as yours.. just different views.
And THEN you say something about his voice?.. his voice is perfectly fine. Ughh you piss me off.. butt.. .
Conor seriously has the most beautiful mind.. and if you listen to his lyrics, and if you can actually understand, THEN they mean something. If you can't understand than don't fucking bother listening to it, or no.. you're not gonna like the music.
Jesus christ, you're so judgemental, too.. 'Your emo and you drink and slit your wrists if you listen to bright eyes.'.. . uhh no.
Then you talk about how he's always singing about how he's sad.. well have you ever heard bowl of oranges? It's about how we should love eachother, and promote peace. And he has other views too.. hes really into politics. Before you even talk, maybe you should try learning something about dear conor.
And what I love the most, is that your the one who's whining, to everyone.. and don't say I'm whining, I know I am, but I wouldn't be if you didn't come out of no where and start saying how shitty conor is.
His lyrics are seriouisly even to make me cry, and you can blame it on his music, but if someone wants to cry cause his music is so deep, then they can.. the music is just a sidekick to the emotion.. and you have to have emotion to realize how amazing Bright Eyes really is. His words are so beautiful, and deep.. and it pisses me off how anyone, anyonee, can say something bad about them, if he wants to make music, and publish it, then hell of yes, I support him, you don't have any right to say that he shouldn't be doing what he wants to with his life.
He's amazing.
You suck.
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I love Bright Eyes and I still find the fact that it's still getting responses like this pretty laughable
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i fall pretty damn close to the stereotypic skinny emo listening, liquor drinking, depressed fan that everyone here speaks of, but i have also introduced many of my friends to the music of Bright Eyes and other conor music, and let me tell you they vary greatly in style and appearance. conor oberst is an intelligent person, and he is a very good musician. you can not make any reasonable statements saying otherwise. As for the ones who comment on the sadness of each song, you have obviously not explored his music enough to know what you are talking about, if you look into his music a little more you will see he does enjoy life and he does rejoice in many of his songs. Conor makes his music for himself, not for his fans, and not for the people who sit in these rooms and judge him like you are fucking better than him. you are not, nor is he better than you. i wouldnt go as far as too call any of you close minded because i know none of you, but judging from your opinions i think most of you should re evaluate yourself, and find out why you feel the need to hate.
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Good good. Keep up your vitriol!
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RETRO POST!!!!! ;)
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Whart's this guy's problem?
He hates Oberst and he feels compelled to share it with the whole world. Probably he hate he does not get paid for this like Oberst does.
He act like a 15 years old himself.
I'm 46, I hardly listen to the music radio, I thought there was nothing new worth listening.
I stick with the old guys like Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Leonard Cohen, Tom Waits. Th last "new" thing I accepted was Bare Naked Ladies.
And then, last week I heard an interview w/ Conor, and a couple of his songs on NPR.
That was something, I checked out his 2 recent albums and I'm really impressed.
Something new worth listening. But it's just the matter of what you like -- De gustibus non est disputandum.
To me, and I don't expect everybody to be like me, the music is great, and the lyrics are too.
To me he's a real peot, and he's authentic.
"You just keep going to the bathroom always say you’ll be right back
Well it takes one to know one, kid, I think you’ve got it bad
"
I know what that means, and to me this IS real
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dont gt me wrong im not inlove with conor oberst but i think people like you need to understand, he's doing something for his own reasons not for you.
so if you dont like it, dont listen. but dont ruin it for other people
certainly dont be so shallow as to colour other peoples opinions without them forming their own.
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fuck anyone that doesn't think so.
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now, however, he's really good.
strange how that happened...
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All I have to say is that you cannot deny that he has talent. Whether you enjoy how he uses it or not.
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if you want to shout it out loud, like with such a article, then do it, doesn't mind me.
only thing i want to say, is that it's not mine, this opinion.
nobody has to listen to conor oberst, if you don't like him, then ignore him.
it's like to ignore this (excuse me) stupid, senselessness, f***ing article.
and so i do.
but some advice for you:
you don't have to listen to this, but you should have to know, that it's better to go out and talk about thinks you like or love, and not instead to say oh what a goddamned fuck anything is...you poorly depressed boy.
(excuse misspellings, normally i'm speaking german)
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But you don't know ONE thing about him other than how pretty his images are and how much he wails about dying love like he had a sharp, splintered bamboo shoot stuck up his bum. I read articles about fans in their blogs who lay in bed at night and cry listening too BE songs. Oh make us all spank ourselves with a leather whip.
I speak from a personal experience when i say he's a freaking jerk..girls don't leave him, he screws them over, or fucks them and moves on too the next one. He's a chronic loser, cheating on all the things he supposedly cares about, idolizes people who kill themselves (like dear elliott smith) He doesn't give a damn about fans..he doesn't want anyone too know what he really is about or who he really is, he's a freaking hypocritical loser EMO poser..he's not emo. He just wants too be something..anything!
Then again on the Brighter side of all this I can see why he is adored by so many girls who haven't lost their virginity yet, or haven't learnt what a joy masterbation truly is...there are better things too do in bed at night than cry too bright eyes lyrics and put yourself in a depressional and emotional coma that lasts for days. I never knew sadness was a turn on or sexy. It's like you want too grab someone and shake them and say: "snap out of it you dumbass!"
Conor seems too have it all together where he can put down the vodka bottle long enough too ridicule president bush, and promote john kerry enough and go on a tour where he tries and change the world. That's shit. It's p-r-o-m-o-t-i-o-n! He, like every other american really doesn't give a damn about the president or the country, because he's just trying too promote his music. What he should do is go promote Barcardi or Sky Blue Vodka ad's...he drinks enough of the stuff.
Some of the lyrics (should you like obscure pain-wracked depressed and mentally under-devolped teenage boy's thoughts and feelings) could pass for at least Grade B stuff, but being how he hasn't got inductied into the rock n roll hall of fame, or played with more important bands like weezer, my chemical romance, blink 182, and Good Charlotte, I don't know why anyone would give a flying flip about a Gutiar inspired wailing boy who in reality is so fucked up in the head, and so drunk all of the time, he doesn't know where he's at, much less who he's laying in bed next too.
A disease I call "Obertism" which most young boys in bands have because it takes the pain away, just for the moment...but after that moment's gone they are no longer concerned about you or your life.
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People wailing about their emotional pain (all the time) gets OLD. Take it from an artist who knows. But he's pretending too be emo so he has too act like he's so damned depressed all the time, so you'll feel sorry for him and probally fall in love with him, and gasp, buy his music. Feel the pain, love me sharply with thy deep pointed edges / do not despair... whatever Craptalicious!
Everyone has an opinion, it is that - an opinion, what they think. You don't have too like their view but you can respect them for having an opinion. You may not like the opinion, especially if you think he's god..(which he's not you know) which he isn't you know...(repeated on purpose) let it go, christ it is not the end of the world. Personally I like Emo, and I like Conor as a friend, but he uses people, he puts people down, and however i love your comment "you should get up and do what he does everyday" what puke in my tiolet or sink because I drank too much vodka the night before? Thank you, but no I'll pass honey.
You think he's clean cut and he goes too the studio everyday and spits out a deep thoughtful mentality that speaks volumes about what and where he is in his life, or its summer and he goes on tour...and then he goes straight too a hotel and goes too sleep. Please do not kid yourselves. That makes you very very foolish.
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Damn, the two sides to this are so clear. Bright Eyes fans versus, well, those who don't like/hate Bright Eyes. I won't stick my own biased opinion out there, like the majority of you have... but the Bright Eyes haters say to the comment: "then don't listen to his music." that it's been put out in the world, therefore it's some kind of declaration that his music is better. I forget the exact wording, so sorry about that, there was a hell of a lot of comments. Whereas someone then says: "...over something you have a choice to read." Man, that's such a definate use of hypocrisy I'm amazed you didn't notice it, if you did read over your comment?
Anyway, it's obvious that the fans are merely defending something they love - they have a right to, if the article is posted for all to see. The ones who agree with the article, have equal right to post their agreement. Argue if you must. Just don't make some dumbass comments that have nothing to do with the article, but personal opinions and prejudice towards others.
This particular comment caught my eye (admittedly, being near the my eyesight as I write this :P):
"You are trying to stand up for a band and your doing all wrong. you gotta give us facts about why we are wrong about this band. Saying,"You jealous bastard" I am not jealous. Whats there to be jealous of?"
Are you kidding me? Facts? If I ever learnt anything in primary school, it was the difference between fact and opinion. They don't need a fact to back up their opinion, because it's an opinion, if they like something, they don't need a reason. You don't need fact to see they like the band, right?
I totally agree about the jealous bastard comment though. If you're gonna argue, don't be an idiot while doing it. Throwing out comments like "you jealous bastard" is only going to get people to retaliate, and that's probably why it's said. If you read the article, it's obvious he isn't jealous, nor would be the people agreeing.
This article made me laugh, yeah. I don't see any indication of him trying to stick his opinion down people's throats, myself. It's the comments between Bright Eyes fans/haters that are doing that. THEY'RE trying to stick their half fledged ideas and opinions down people's throats, most not even having the grace to be grammatically correct (your is actually different from you're, y'know), so don't take it out on the guy that wrote this. I thought it was an intelligent, amusing article. I like to listen to Bright Eyes occasionally, but damn, what's the point in starting a war over it, when you're just going to be screaming your opinions? This is without even considering the fact that other people MIGHT think differently to you, might actually have a different opinion, and be willing to defend that too. Bright Eyes fans, don't make out you're being hard done by. If this was a "IloveBrightEyessofreakingmuch." type article, would you be complaining?
Dammit, listen to what you want to listen to, if you really liked the music, you wouldn't care so much when someone said they hated it, would you?
I wouldn't. ^_^
(PS: Swearing isn't some kind of contest. You just sound like an idiot when going "fuck fuck fucking fuck" Also, I apologise to those who commented, and who didn't act as mentioned above. You know who you are... I didn't feel the need to placate everyone as I went along).
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Duh, he sings about depression, most people use music to relate to it, loser.
find something else important to moan about.
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Duh, he sings about depression, most people use music to relate to it, loser.
find something else important to moan about.
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But please...continue "bitching".
Object of interest
Conor Oberst
that was rather amusing though, very funny. made me laugh. and i'm a '16 year old vodka drinking indie girl'. maybe if you are so against conor oberst you should avoid him and save yourself an aneurysm.
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Conor is good at bitching, and he bitches about things that a lot of people have a tendency to bitch about. People like it when other people bitch about the same things that they bitch about. That's how revolutions and political reforms happen. So, a lot of people like to bitch along with Conor.
Who ever started this topic is also good at bitching. This persons bitching has inspired over a year of subsequent bitching.
Those are my observations, and I encourage anyone who feels like it to bitch, it's good for you, don't hold it in.
Well
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The writer of this article states that many people claim that if he doesn't like bright eyes, then he shouldn't buy the album. He then goes on to say that basically, that isn't good enough and it just shouldn't exsist. so for you to defend this article by saying we should just ignore it, makes you a hypocrite. or retarded. i'm not sure which. then you say you should be aloud to bitch in peace, when the whole point of this article is that conor oberst bitches too much. so i'm glad that you hate me. because if i got the chance, i'd stab you in the jaw. so it all works out.
as for the article itself, i think it's stupid. if it was simply an article about why he doesn't like conor oberst, that would be one thing. however, many of the points he makes are in fact narrow minded. people aren't just saying that because they don't have anything better to say.
you know who hates conor oberst's fame the most? conor oberst. he has repeatedly said that he doesn't like the kind of fame he's getting. as for him being soley a whiny bitch, a lot of his writing is symbolic. for example, padraic my prince is not about baby's drowning but about the consequences of neglect.
as for the point made that people stop listening to depressing songs when they realize the truth about the world... i don't even know how to respond to that other then to say you are stupid. the world does suck, whether you want to admit it or not. now people can either address that fact and try to fix it, address it and sob over it, or ignore the bad and focus on the good and live in your pretty little world where bad things don't happen until one day you get stabbed in a dark alley because you naively think that no one would be lurking just waiting for some sap to walk by and be stabbed.
clearly i'm going off on quite the tangent, but i'm having fun so i'm going to keep going. now, you state that by making sad music, he is encourging kids to stay sad and that he should instead write happy music to cheer then up. well, i'm not a happy person. and i like not being happy. so does that then mean i am happy in my unihappiness? that's not the point. the point is that i enjoy listening to this type pf music, and if i had to listen to some cheery backstreet boy bullshit and i'd shove sharp objects in my ears and puke blood.
the point i hate the most that you foolishly made is that you think it's ok for him to make music, but he shouldn't be arrogant enough to share it with the world. so then i guess every musician must be arrgoant, because that's pretty much the point of their exsistence. HOW DARE LED ZEPPELIN PRODUCE HOUSES OF THE HOLY! THOSE ARRGOANT BASTARDS! DO YOU THINK WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT ROBERT PLANT HAS TO SAY?
GOD CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT BEETHOVEN ACTUALLY WENT PUBLIC WITH HIS COMPOSITIONS? WHAT A PRICK! "LOOK AT ME, I'M DEAF AND I COMPOSED BEAUTIFUL MASTERPIECES, I'M SO FULL OF MYSELF I ACTUALLY WANT TO SHARE MY WORK WITH OTHERS. MEEEEEHHHHHHH".
that's my impression of you in case you couldn't tell. i guess that sentiment reigns true for everyone. how dare writers publish books? how dare politicians say their stance on the issues? like i care whether or not the preseident is for or against abortion. he should keep his damn opinion to himself.
but then if that's all true, what are you doing posting this poorly written article?
yeah, he writes a lot of songs about how being dumped sucks. that is pretty stupid of him, isn't it? i love getting my heart broken. it makes me think of kittens and rainbows, not whiskey. so therefore his feelings must be invalid. especially seeing as no other songwriter has ever written about love. ever. so it makes sense for you to single out conor oberst.
in conclusion, i love conor oberst's work. yes, he is beautiful, but elliot smith was ugly as sin and i love his work too. so there goes that theory. the fact that you don't like conor is fine with me, but if you must hate him, then don't be so retarded about the reasons.
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I was a vodka drinking cunt way before i heard of conor oberst. so there goes the whole "he turns people into that" thing.
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One, I am an artist and a poet and No I am not jealous. I am 27 and very successful what do i have too be jealous about?
I could care less about his music, but his personality (as i do know him) blows a mountain goat of ass, and his brother justin sucks just as badly as he does, because he doesn't think Conor is a prick or a jerk too females and always tells the truth about everything and everyone.
I've got some very incriminating yahoo archives, but i can not post them here as that would just be an invasion of privacy.
But i do have them.
you'd get too see conor's email address..heh.
I should sell it on ebay or something! *LOL*
Something Conor does very well is mellow drama. He talks about how 7 of his baby brothers drowned in a bathtub, though instead of telling me his mom did it, he told me he did it.
That isn't true, but its supposedly the reason he pops 7 tynenol before he goes too bed everynight and drinks until he's numb. Supposedly his step dad raped him in the butt when he was five (and this is why he also drinks and pops pills and hates too be alone at night in the dark) and choked his sister with a chain.
Thats terrible, i agree rape will fuck you mind up after all its happened too me too, but good lord, you deal with it.
My poetry has been listed with sagewoman on various sites and in poetry.com's books even though their site is a scam site. I write poetry because I feel inspired too not because it'll make me money.
Conor quotes himself allot, like he told me once "I'm eating for you" for a minute i thought he wrote that song (when i found out it was a song) because i told him he needed too eat. I wonder who he was eating for then? He doesn't eat diary or meat poor fellow, he survives on boca burgers. that sounds so gross.
He encouraged me too quit drinking real milk and start drink soy milk in my coffee because real milk had utter blood in it. And he opposes jello because its made out of horse hooves. if he would actually read the jello website he would realize it doesn't.
All i ever heard from conor was things he said in various interviews and quoted here and there. It was like "is this who you are really? or is this just a bad dream?"
Anyone can write deep meaningful things. You ever hear of poe or whitman, or yeats, dickinson ? Who cares about Bob Dylan...or Elliott Smith or the folk scene that became mysteriously emo for depressed folk people.
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Couldn't it be possible we are an ex or almost an ex? haha no thats insane because he really is gay right?
How do you know how great he is, have you known him personally for more than 3 minutes?
Because he's so "HAWT" as LJ'er's put it (rollz eyes)
and he writes about vague things like a bowl of oranges and a lover he doesn't have too love and poison ivy, also while commerating an experience with his ex girlfriends by writing how it was wonderful they slept in his blood..oh thats just so, DREAMY!!! it makes me all wet and creamy...lol how dare you be so high schoolish and Laguna Beachistic.
You don't know how many times he's cheated on an ex girlfriends and made them feel so low, but he's a wonderful guy! *slaps myself with a brick* he's so wonderful and gay.
I think one of the reasons tom and I wrote our pieces that were long winded was too jokingly joke about..oh a joke.
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I think the time that you wasted to write this pointless post should be put to doing something more positive. Did you honestly think that you were going to get anywhere by talking all this shit about one person? Please, for the sake of myself and everyone else that agrees, save all the babble bull shit for someone who cares and don't write stuff about someone who you really don't know. Thank you.
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So I know this was from a long ass time ago, but I wrote something in response to this and figured I would post it.
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I might be 17 and seen as a teenager. And I am listening to Bright eyes and yes I like other whiny emo music. I also think Conor is one of the best songwriters, and I love bright eyes.
But that doesn't meant that I am depressed as fuck and that I am constantly whining and attempting suicide, sitting in my room and crying my heart out because "oh my god" I am so emo.
When someone listens to bright eyes doesn't mean they don't listen to only whiny music.
You are being judgemental about the people who are listening to them, and you say that bright eyes turns you into a whiny little vodka drinking cunt. I think you should re-think that thought, maybe you are that weak that you are living by the music that you're listening - but some people, just listen because they love it, and they don't change in a stupid whiny little vodka drinking cunt.
Speak for yourself Tom
I dont see why someone had even made a website about what Conor Oberst writes, and what people like him or not...jealousy?...or ingnorance? It's not anyones place to say what people should like and what they shouldn't, and its people like this that think they are sooo damn cool cause they don't like the music, that they should write some shit online...damn dude, your fucking SWEET!!!!Conor Oberst has been writing things for ages and if you ever listened to things he wrote when he was what, 13, the kids got talent, plays guitar like a mad man. You just have to apreciate the emotion and talent the man has. I don't really listen to bright eyes that much but every once and awhile I'll bust some out. Never once have I felt like im emo, or went and cried myself to sleep. And hey vodka is good every once and awhile, along with some Jack...and thats not the music, thats just plain wanting to party with buddies and get wasted.You say you use to listen to the music and like it but now you are just dising on it? Weird, dont forget who you are, your just a fake person.
Tom Sykes= Whiny bitch, who was the first to whin about any of this music? ....Keep whining bitch, no one gives one fuck about you.
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you're a fucking dick, you know nothing about conor oberst to talk about him like that. tons of people love him and his music so maybe you should get over the whole "tough act" towards him and just admit you're clearly jealous. grow the hell up and get a life. i mean really who takes the time to write an article on someone they dont even know?
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There's a fine line between love and hate. People who spend all their time "hating" someone clearly are jealous or have no life. There's a lot of music I don't care for, but I don't dwell on it. I write about what I love and what I believe in. I hope that by now Tom Sykes has found a new, positive focus in his life to spend his time on.
Oh and one more thing...
Anyone who refers to one type of music as "emo" should realize this:
ALL MUSIC IS EMOTIONALLY DRIVEN.
If it weren't, there would be no purpose in creating it.
Think about it.
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I can't believe this thread is still going...
Like, get over it. ;)
appreciate the emotion someone has?
that's weeeiiirrrrdddd
Well now.
You all are going to perish.
Die.
Because i'm going to kill you.
And yours mothers.
And her children....your siblings.
Your father.
Uncles,aunts, grandmothers and grandfathers.
Conor obesrt is a blessing.
And you are shit.
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I don't think Conor Oberst wallows in Pain... I think he writes about it so he doesn't have to feel like shit all the time. Sure, he worries a lot, but accusing someone with a lot of anxieties of "wallowing" is not the right thing to do. He's a fucking artist, and the best one out there, so fuck you for writing this.
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OK.shut the fuck up people.conor is absolutly AMAZING.and i dont give a shit if u DONT think so.you have this long artical talking about how much he complains.and all your doing is complaing about how much he "complains and whines".and ur doing just that((COMPLAINING!!)).and ur being very annoying.and need to get a life.i dont know if you've heard of that.but you need it.bad.fucker.
im out.FUCK YOU ALL,LOSERS.I HOPE YOU DIE.YOU CAN DEAL WITH IT.
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So, you have nothing better to do then write article about people you don’t like? [Let alone know] That’s pretty pathetic. How can you say “Miserable fucking teens do not need more shoegazery, whining, self-pitying quotes for their MSN names� when you are 19? Wow doesn’t that make you a little hypocritical? Let me ask you, just how many bright eyes songs have you actually sat down and listened to? The lyrics are a lot more powerful than juts some guy wallowing in his self pity. And you would know that if you took the time to look up the lyrics. Not only that, he takes other peoples experiences and puts them into his songs. So he’s not completely for the blame. You’re probably just jealous because he is one of the smartest, beautiful, artistic, and inspiring men alive. [Not to mention you probably have a small penis and/ or he’s 99.9% better in bed because he’s not too busy thinking about who to criticize next] Good day.
please leave conor alone..
So I know it may be ridiculous to get worked up over an article. I guess a lot of people would argue that it's a waste of time. But honestly, it's really hard for me to sit here and not say anything. It's not even the fact that you're insulting Conor Oberst; although that does bother me too. But really, it's the fact that you clearly don't understand that depression is a mental disorder that people cannot help having. I happen to have depression, and I'm telling you right now, it's not a mindset. It's not something people do for attention. It actually hurts like hell and tends to completely fuck up your life. So please, don't insult Conor for it unless you've experienced it yourself. And maybe you don't think it's his business to tell the world about it. You're entitled to your opinion. But I'd just like to let you know; Conor's music has helped me out so much. It helps to know that people actually understand the way that you're feeling sometimes. And I think that if Conor's music can in any way help other people, then it can't be a bad thing. Unless, of course, you're opposed to helping people..?
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BAhaHAhaha. fuckin' shit!
i think, personally, that if you don't like the music, don't fucking listen to it or buy it.
and if you don't like the people who listen to it, don't fucking associate with them.
second of all, not all people listen to music to appreciate or even notice the messages and whatnot in the lyrics.
some people just like the style, anyways.
and you don't have to be "emo" or "indie" or any of those fucking stereotypes to listen to bright eyes.
it's music, you fuck.
if you hate it, don't listen to it and don't try to change people's minds about it cause it'll just piss a lot of people off.
if you like it, don't fuck with the people who don't like it, cause they'll just be assholes. and they obviously have their reasons to not like it. just as you have your reason to like it.
goddamn. hey, tom sykes, quit whining yourself, about conor. asshole.
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first of all conor oberst is very musically talented. he's an amazing lyricist and you know alot more kids can probably relate to his shit than alot of anyone else's. how dare anyone criticize anyone's talents or fucking belittle anyone's words or music. Because I doubt whoever u are Tom Sykes, I doubt that you know anything about him or anything that went on his life or anyone else's so you have no place to talk so much shit. i mean, who are you? and if you hate his whiny ass voice and self pitying lyrics so much, then why take the time of day to write an article about how lame it is? And it's just stupid and immature to pick a song about something tragic that happened to someone and put in your two cents in when, I mean yeah listening to bright eyes might turn people into little vodka-drinking cunts, but thats a vodka-drinking cunt that's making bank by being able to express his feelings. Seriously I mean who are you? Who is this fabulous guy that can talk trash on what anyone thinks? What have you done for the world? Let people enjoy what they want to enjoy and be who they want to be or else everyone would be just like you. But, I'm sure you would like that, wouldn't you.
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Just because some people have the luxury of being happy all the time, or even the ability to embrace it just some of the time; does not give others the right to just shit on their opinions by telling them that their choices are worthless and to cheer up and listen to something happy. Music is supposed to be personal in a lot of senses, some people just view the aspects in which it is applied differently; thus the beauty in being able to have an opinion and make a choice that is your own on what you want to listen to. No one wants to have some elitist fuckwit ramming an opinion down their throat, just because the person doing the ramming thinks that they are right. You may not like the music, but you are ignoring the ultimate premise in letting people embrace their own choices - even if those choices are to wallow and work through the reasons for why they are doing so, with a somewhat tangible form of compassion in the form of a song that seems to make sense of that particular moment.
Everyone's different, and I can totally understand why people would think of Conor as nothing more than a whiner; but some of us are born fucking whiners! So just leave the boy to it and go and do something constructive with your time. Whether you like it or not, or agree with the emotion or subtext, just let people have an opinion and get the fuck off your high horse.
Music is supposed to be a freeing mechanism, an escape, a connotative device for emotion. Stop viewing it like its a fucking popularity contest in high school. It's utterly pedantic to try and dictate or dispute taste, as everyone is different.. It just astounds me that some people are capable of such stupidity to the extent of waging a war on freedom of expression. Grow the fuck up.
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Right on!!! NamelessHere4everMore - You are fabulous! There are too many parts of your post that I agree with for me to quote and agree on; so I shall just wholly second such an opinion and take my hat off to you!!
Hmm....
"I don't know why anyone would give a flying flip about a Gutiar inspired wailing boy who in reality is so fucked up in the head, and so drunk all of the time, he doesn't know where he's at, much less who he's laying in bed next too."
How about perhaps, because he's not the only one of them out there? Hell, you talk about it like he coined hardcore drinking! There's a lot of people out there who relate to such a disposition..
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YOUR STUPID LOL.
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nice one! I think some people take things way too seriously. Plus Bright Eyes IS a whiny bastard, but sometimes people want to listen to a whiny bastard, that's fine, just don't whine on the internet when someone finally outs and says that he IS a whiny bastard, because that makes YOU a whiny bastard, and noone is listening to a bunch of whiny bastards. Except fellow whiny bastards I guess....
im not fucking depressed
and i fucking think conor oberst is a talented guy. this is such a mistake for you to say this. it isnt emo. emo is such a shit genre. i hate putting music into genres, arent you a bit old to do so as well?
listen to his words, his lyrics.
Ah come off it...
I'm one of the biggest Bright Eyes fans you're likely to find, but even I think he's a cock.
Thanks to The Guardian for reminding me of this legend of an article.
I read this article before i "got" bright eyes
and now i have "got" it, i feel the need to comment.
This article is crap. I mean, really. It reads like the exact "15 year old" type of rant he seems to dislike.
And yeah, he is whingy, but thats good. I like the melodrama of it all, and youre forgetting that music is more than just a tune to go along to some lyrics, and bright eyes write great songs.
So there.
who fucking cares...
yeah, yeah. okay. just get over your selves. you have every right to like or dislike any music for whatever reason. and there are many critics who are free to speak their minds. thats fine. but why should you all go nuts over this shit. listen to other peoples comments with an open mind, and if you don't agree with them just take it with a grain of salt and move on.
bullshit
conor oberst is amaziing and it's not like he's only writing about his problems with girls he has a lot of songs
a lot of stories
i don't see why conor is the only victim i mean
why aren't you targeting singers like sonny moore and anthony green or craig owns?
i mean conor has a really good sound and he has a really strange look on the world
and at least he's straying away from what everysingle other band is doing right now
he doesn't sound like the little emo acoustic bands that everyones on to like
the higher the scene asthetic dashboard confessional etc.
bright eys sound better than a lot of bands i've ever heard.
i like them
and thats all that really matters
aw
:)
Tom Sykes.
everyone copes their own way.
i will never applaud for yours.
Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst
This truly is the thread that keeps on giving...
i feel bad now
i meant it ironingly though
sick of tom sykes
write your own music or dont listen piece of shit, you whine as much as him.
Oberst
I tend not to read articles that include certain words in CAPITAL LETTERS, because it's usually a good sign that that the author is an idiot and is ranting for lack of a more persuasive writing style. I read this, though, because I'm a fan of Desaparecidos and Bright Eyes. And, just as I suspected, it's a pile of drivel. Yes, Conor Oberst constantly goes on about the relatively inconsequential woes of heartache. So does Morrissey. So does Malcolm Middleton. So do many songwriters, because it's sometimes how they feel, just as it's sometimes how the listener feels. You can't wallow forever but then Conor Oberst doesn't anymore (unlike Morrissey).
The tragic irony is that the author used to listen to Bright Eyes themselves. There are lots of bands I listened to as a teenager that I don't anymore, but that doesn't mean those bands are now redundant to the world. There's a time and a place for abject, self-indulgent misery in music. There really is. And you won't ever succeed in patronising young people into growing out of it until they're ready.
OMGZZ i can't believe you slagged off Conor Oberst you're just jealous! He's the only one that understands me...
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