Sick Of Conor Oberst
There are two unbearable things on the face of this planet. One - Pain, and Two - Hearing people fucking whining about it. For ages. And repeatedly. If arrogant Nebraskan teen (well, whatever, he acts like he’s still 15) Oberst was in a fucking concentration camp, being brutally beaten and tortured then I’d let him off, but as it stands his chosen dish from Café D’angst is, like, girls LEAVING HIM! Oh. My. God. The poor guy. Get over it. DON’T act like a total prick and write songs about your once dearly-beloved, you insensitive brat, laden with hundreds of references only SHE will get, and only SHE will be hurt by. DON’T write a self-pitying concept album (last year’s ‘Fevers and Meeeeeeeeeers’), and DON’T let yourself off the hook by claiming it’s all a show, you’re only a character. That doesn’t work for Eminem and it doesn’t work for you. DO FUCKING NOT compose a song entitled ‘It’s cool, we can still be friends’, a bitter assault on an ex-lover, and end with the lines “I’m pouring some whisky, I’m gonna get real fucking drunk, so I pass out, and forget your face by the time I wake up”. You utter bastard.
Right, I believe you are depressed, I believe you have problems, and I believe it’s ok to write songs about it. But, and this is the important bit, don’t get all high and mighty and decide that these songs deserve to be displayed to the world! "But hey, you don’t have to buy them if you don’t want!" SO FUCKING WHAT? Once it intentionally enters the media then you’ve crossed that line, the line between personal gratification and belief that you have something to offer the world. Miserable fucking teens do not need more shoegazery, whining, self-pitying quotes for their MSN names. They need a good fucking slap round the face. They need rock and roll, outrage, disgust, and hell, even fucking happiness! Cheer the existential, weight-on-my-back-gotta-drink-fucking-vodka-to-stop-the-fucking-paaaaaiiiinn kids up! Don’t give them more ammo!
Desaparecidos is a good start, but stop screaming like you’ve just endured the worst pain in the world, and get that fucking trembly, ‘gonna cry I’m so sad’, tone from your voice, ok? No one should get away with such blatant self-pity, and usually they don’t. If he constantly phoned up his friends and whined at them about how sad he is, and how he thinks about suicide, they’d tell him to shut the fuck up and get over it (I would hope, anyway). It’s because he puts it in a song, in such a poetic style, that everybody goes "Ahhh" and worries about the poor little lad. Well WAKE UP! Here’s the truth: No one can go onstage night after night and FEEL all that pain. He’s kidding himself and he’s kidding you. How can he still feel for a girl that dumped him years previously? (Well, ok, I’m not ruling that out, but she probably dumped him because of his constant fucking whining! He deserved it!) The guy is wallowing, and he makes you wallow too.
Now, some people say that the Bright Eyes game isn’t about self-pity. No, really, they do. When that boy goes into the studio to record a song, all that can possibly emerge from his collapsing little frame is total and utter T-O-R-T-U-R-E! And get this, we apparently walk away from the experience feeling happier, having come through the worst with our little ‘Wunderkind’ guiding us by the hand. WELL! What’s the best word to describe all that bollocks?
Oh well, BOLLOCKS will do. Sing it loud, sing it far. Run the fuck over to Omaha and bleat it in the bastard’s face. He has A CHOICE! Choice one is to sing songs, like a normal little boy, hitting all the right notes and not going out of his way to whine for a new surrogate mother/teenage fan. Choice two is to use song writing as a diary, a self-obsessed (yes, you were right on ‘Padraic my prince’), self-pitying (don’t deny it, he isn’t talking about war), self-indulgent little teenage diary. For god-knows-how-long he’s been walking the second road, but thankfully that trend seems to be bucking slightly, as, on the new EP, he cuts the method acting rubbish for a few brief moments and decides to sing properly. And all nicely! Aww. You do have to wade through loads of ‘look at me!’ crap about doctors and pills though, which is a shame.
Hey, I used to like Bright Eyes. I used to appreciate the self-pity and relate it to my own experiences (like I’m sure you do). But like most bands out there, they either let you down, or you realise the truth. And the truth is that listening to Bright Eyes turns you into a whiny little vodka-drinking cunt, and I don’t think any of us really wants to be like that, do we? Be "entranced" by this moaning indie-bollocks if you will, but I for one couldn’t give a toss about this or any other Saddle Creek band. It’s a cyclical (i.e. it won’t fucking die!) culture of liars, whiners, shoegazers and poets. Oh, I forgot, they’re all the same thing. Bastards. Bright Eyes may be heading in a slightly more acceptable direction, but ‘Wunderkind’ Conor still has that pin ready and waiting to stick deep into his hand. Question is, are you gonna give him the time of day?
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The other stuff by Bright Eyes is "somewhat vague" to me though :( .
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Or is he supporting someone in London?...
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Lanky.
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im an ugly angry sad bastard, and i both love and hate bright eyes for that reason.
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Oh and if you're going to make a lame Hitler/Nazi comparison in the first post of a thread (try a google search on 'Godwin's Law'), you could at least spell Mein Kampf right.
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in fact
stay out of parks too
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it's obviously not your first language but...
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and also it depends how you said it
French accents help
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If you genuinely like the guy then fair enough... I just found the article amusing in a bitchy sort of way.
As for my views on bright eyes being 'the reason that this concrete continent is such a fucking mess of dehumanizing machinery'... get a fucking grip. I have no issue with emotion... infact theres a lot of emotional music I love. It just doesn't happen to be described as 'emo'. urgh. Bright eyes emotion makes me cringe because it seems fake, overdone, whiny, and that stops it having a genuine emotional impact for me. I can't get beyond the irritation of his vocal style. Its a personal thing. When emotion comes in more subtle and genuine forms I find it a lot more effective.
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If you like him just be happy with that. If not what are you the thought police?
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Thanks for letting us know
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you've met the writer then?
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and, on that bombshell: im off to drink red wine, out of the bottle. sideways.
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YOU
FUCKING
IGNORANT
TWAT
sadly, you see, the depressed are beyond the slap the happy want to give. that's why it's not 'just' sadness. and i've read my fair share of shit teenage poetry- i've written my fair share of shit teenage poetry. but are we saying the people who most need to expulge feeling shouldn't?
er
perhaps
we need
to rethink?
*clanging sound of jaw-dropped journalist*
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<< Overall, if you dont have anything positive to say about someone, then dont say it at all. >>
Sadly, saying things which aren't always positive is part and parcel of music criticism.
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Oh get a sense of humour. I've been depressed and known people who are depressed and suicidal - my opinions on bright eyes music remain the same. I'm sorry but I find his exaggerated over-the-top 'I'm just about to start crying' voice phony and irritating a lot of the time. It does not sound even slightly sincere to me. Maybe it is sincere, maybe it isn't, but as he's releasing music to the world, I'm entitled to judge the music on it's musical merits, the way it sounds. And it sounds horribly exaggerated and insincere to me.
But you like it and that's okay - just don't presume that everyone will, or that those who don't somehow 'arent getting it', as that's bullshit. You'll probably come to the same conclusion yourself once you outgrow your, ooh, what is it, 13-year-old angst ?
Nuff said.
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RETRO POST!!!!! ;)
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Heh
hahahaha
I can't believe this thread is still going...
Like, get over it. ;)
appreciate the emotion someone has?
that's weeeiiirrrrdddd
did you sign up jut to have
a go at these feature?
Yeah
Fuck Him
OMG
YOUR STUPID LOL.
this is still going?
nice one! I think some people take things way too seriously. Plus Bright Eyes IS a whiny bastard, but sometimes people want to listen to a whiny bastard, that's fine, just don't whine on the internet when someone finally outs and says that he IS a whiny bastard, because that makes YOU a whiny bastard, and noone is listening to a bunch of whiny bastards. Except fellow whiny bastards I guess....
Ah come off it...
I'm one of the biggest Bright Eyes fans you're likely to find, but even I think he's a cock.
Thanks to The Guardian for reminding me of this legend of an article.
I read this article before i "got" bright eyes
and now i have "got" it, i feel the need to comment.
This article is crap. I mean, really. It reads like the exact "15 year old" type of rant he seems to dislike.
And yeah, he is whingy, but thats good. I like the melodrama of it all, and youre forgetting that music is more than just a tune to go along to some lyrics, and bright eyes write great songs.
So there.
aw
:)
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This truly is the thread that keeps on giving...
i feel bad now
i meant it ironingly though
sick of tom sykes
write your own music or dont listen piece of shit, you whine as much as him.
Oberst
I tend not to read articles that include certain words in CAPITAL LETTERS, because it's usually a good sign that that the author is an idiot and is ranting for lack of a more persuasive writing style. I read this, though, because I'm a fan of Desaparecidos and Bright Eyes. And, just as I suspected, it's a pile of drivel. Yes, Conor Oberst constantly goes on about the relatively inconsequential woes of heartache. So does Morrissey. So does Malcolm Middleton. So do many songwriters, because it's sometimes how they feel, just as it's sometimes how the listener feels. You can't wallow forever but then Conor Oberst doesn't anymore (unlike Morrissey).
The tragic irony is that the author used to listen to Bright Eyes themselves. There are lots of bands I listened to as a teenager that I don't anymore, but that doesn't mean those bands are now redundant to the world. There's a time and a place for abject, self-indulgent misery in music. There really is. And you won't ever succeed in patronising young people into growing out of it until they're ready.
i understand that this was written a long time ago so i'm hoping your view on oberst has changed somewhat. at any rate, i've always liked conor oberst. though some of his earlier work is mediocre at best, i can't help but love mystic valley band. and there's no denying monsters of folk is incredible, if not just for jim james.
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