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Sick Of Conor Oberst



There are two unbearable things on the face of this planet. One - Pain, and Two - Hearing people fucking whining about it. For ages. And repeatedly. If arrogant Nebraskan teen (well, whatever, he acts like he’s still 15) Oberst was in a fucking concentration camp, being brutally beaten and tortured then I’d let him off, but as it stands his chosen dish from Café D’angst is, like, girls LEAVING HIM! Oh. My. God. The poor guy. Get over it. DON’T act like a total prick and write songs about your once dearly-beloved, you insensitive brat, laden with hundreds of references only SHE will get, and only SHE will be hurt by. DON’T write a self-pitying concept album (last year’s ‘Fevers and Meeeeeeeeeers’), and DON’T let yourself off the hook by claiming it’s all a show, you’re only a character. That doesn’t work for Eminem and it doesn’t work for you. DO FUCKING NOT compose a song entitled ‘It’s cool, we can still be friends’, a bitter assault on an ex-lover, and end with the lines “I’m pouring some whisky, I’m gonna get real fucking drunk, so I pass out, and forget your face by the time I wake up”. You utter bastard.

Right, I believe you are depressed, I believe you have problems, and I believe it’s ok to write songs about it. But, and this is the important bit, don’t get all high and mighty and decide that these songs deserve to be displayed to the world! "But hey, you don’t have to buy them if you don’t want!" SO FUCKING WHAT? Once it intentionally enters the media then you’ve crossed that line, the line between personal gratification and belief that you have something to offer the world. Miserable fucking teens do not need more shoegazery, whining, self-pitying quotes for their MSN names. They need a good fucking slap round the face. They need rock and roll, outrage, disgust, and hell, even fucking happiness! Cheer the existential, weight-on-my-back-gotta-drink-fucking-vodka-to-stop-the-fucking-paaaaaiiiinn kids up! Don’t give them more ammo!

Desaparecidos is a good start, but stop screaming like you’ve just endured the worst pain in the world, and get that fucking trembly, ‘gonna cry I’m so sad’, tone from your voice, ok? No one should get away with such blatant self-pity, and usually they don’t. If he constantly phoned up his friends and whined at them about how sad he is, and how he thinks about suicide, they’d tell him to shut the fuck up and get over it (I would hope, anyway). It’s because he puts it in a song, in such a poetic style, that everybody goes "Ahhh" and worries about the poor little lad. Well WAKE UP! Here’s the truth: No one can go onstage night after night and FEEL all that pain. He’s kidding himself and he’s kidding you. How can he still feel for a girl that dumped him years previously? (Well, ok, I’m not ruling that out, but she probably dumped him because of his constant fucking whining! He deserved it!) The guy is wallowing, and he makes you wallow too.

Now, some people say that the Bright Eyes game isn’t about self-pity. No, really, they do. When that boy goes into the studio to record a song, all that can possibly emerge from his collapsing little frame is total and utter T-O-R-T-U-R-E! And get this, we apparently walk away from the experience feeling happier, having come through the worst with our little ‘Wunderkind’ guiding us by the hand. WELL! What’s the best word to describe all that bollocks?

Oh well, BOLLOCKS will do. Sing it loud, sing it far. Run the fuck over to Omaha and bleat it in the bastard’s face. He has A CHOICE! Choice one is to sing songs, like a normal little boy, hitting all the right notes and not going out of his way to whine for a new surrogate mother/teenage fan. Choice two is to use song writing as a diary, a self-obsessed (yes, you were right on ‘Padraic my prince’), self-pitying (don’t deny it, he isn’t talking about war), self-indulgent little teenage diary. For god-knows-how-long he’s been walking the second road, but thankfully that trend seems to be bucking slightly, as, on the new EP, he cuts the method acting rubbish for a few brief moments and decides to sing properly. And all nicely! Aww. You do have to wade through loads of ‘look at me!’ crap about doctors and pills though, which is a shame.

Hey, I used to like Bright Eyes. I used to appreciate the self-pity and relate it to my own experiences (like I’m sure you do). But like most bands out there, they either let you down, or you realise the truth. And the truth is that listening to Bright Eyes turns you into a whiny little vodka-drinking cunt, and I don’t think any of us really wants to be like that, do we? Be "entranced" by this moaning indie-bollocks if you will, but I for one couldn’t give a toss about this or any other Saddle Creek band. It’s a cyclical (i.e. it won’t fucking die!) culture of liars, whiners, shoegazers and poets. Oh, I forgot, they’re all the same thing. Bastards. Bright Eyes may be heading in a slightly more acceptable direction, but ‘Wunderkind’ Conor still has that pin ready and waiting to stick deep into his hand. Question is, are you gonna give him the time of day?

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

Their song "Something Vague" is actually pretty excellent.

The other stuff by Bright Eyes is "somewhat vague" to me though :( .

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

Get over yourself.

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

I think it's great. Whether you like the music or not a lot of the criticism in there is valid, and I think needed saying. What is it with this emo boy aesthetic of pain as something almost desirable, something to be held up to the world as though you're proud of it, as though it makes you a better, deeper person?

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

do you find it odd that he be playing Academy3/Hop&Grape in Manchester and then swooping down to play Shepherd's Bush Empire in London. On the same tour.
Or is he supporting someone in London?...

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

that's SO gay

Sick Of Conor Oberst

Haha as I suspected, on inspecting the referrer logs this article is linked by a bunch of militant bright eyes fans on livejournal. Hello people! and get a sense of humour some of you...

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

why? it would be rubbish

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

unless you think conor is great ten times over

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

dear me, is there no end to these people?


Lanky.

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

lucky for yous...

im an ugly angry sad bastard, and i both love and hate bright eyes for that reason.

Re: Hmm...

I'm probably on my own here, but i think Conor is sexy. Justin..not remotely good looking, sings like a girl.:)

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

That article was the best troll ever. Seriously. Ever since it's meant we can all piss ourselves laughing at the constant flow of outraged cries from overly righteous and sincere Bright Eyes fans. The guy was blatantly trying to wind you all up and boy did he succeed. Still, the article makes some valid points. How would you feel if you ex boy/girlfried started writing those kind of lyrics about you and singing them to the world as some kind of tortured soul? it all strikes me as rather phony, as does a lot of the 'emotion' in emo type rock.

Oh and if you're going to make a lame Hitler/Nazi comparison in the first post of a thread (try a google search on 'Godwin's Law'), you could at least spell Mein Kampf right.

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

That wasn't intended to invalidate your comments (it didn't address them!), it was a little aside pointing out that over-the-top nazi comparisons are lame, and not even spelling them right is lamer. God some people are easy to wind up.

Re: hmmm

Good points

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

stay off the cider
in fact
stay out of parks too

Re: I love Conor

do you want to fuck his brains out?

it's obviously not your first language but...

English standards are low at schools these days, I see.

Re: Haha.

Great art provokes reaction - true. The converse however, doesn't hold. If I called you a dickhead it would probably provoke a reaction, but would that make it great art?

Re: Haha.

that's different though because it relates to all sorts like personal insecurity etc.
and also it depends how you said it
French accents help

Re: . . .

hating is caring

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

Jeez... look at all the overreactions to my lighthearted post of several months ago.

If you genuinely like the guy then fair enough... I just found the article amusing in a bitchy sort of way.

As for my views on bright eyes being 'the reason that this concrete continent is such a fucking mess of dehumanizing machinery'... get a fucking grip. I have no issue with emotion... infact theres a lot of emotional music I love. It just doesn't happen to be described as 'emo'. urgh. Bright eyes emotion makes me cringe because it seems fake, overdone, whiny, and that stops it having a genuine emotional impact for me. I can't get beyond the irritation of his vocal style. Its a personal thing. When emotion comes in more subtle and genuine forms I find it a lot more effective.

Re: what the fuck?

He vitually got gang raped in a review by MOJO, and dito for the Dis. I dont know he might be good, I have never heard him. But people love to kick punch, thats just life unfortunatly.

If you like him just be happy with that. If not what are you the thought police?

Re: *yawn*

"and im not gay"

Thanks for letting us know

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I know its fucking great that the only thing that gets people going on this site it when someone takes a right slating. Odd really cos people dont seem to waste the same effort biging people up...oh I forgot this is not the NME web site!

Re: bastard

"I really can't believe someone could be such a cunt"

you've met the writer then?

Sick Of Conor Oberst

i like conor and bright eyes.great art comes out of great pain hehe!

Sick Of Conor Oberst

i think my ex boyfriend is going to turn into conor oberst when he grows up.

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from the emo name i was sure that this was another defence of Conor. but, no. another fair criticism, although a little wallowing now and again can do us all some good.

and, on that bombshell: im off to drink red wine, out of the bottle. sideways.

Sick Of Conor Oberst

i have never heard conor oberst or his ilk. but reading the article above kind of made me feel a bit queeesy, filled as it was with bollocks about giving the suicidal a slap
YOU
FUCKING
IGNORANT
TWAT

sadly, you see, the depressed are beyond the slap the happy want to give. that's why it's not 'just' sadness. and i've read my fair share of shit teenage poetry- i've written my fair share of shit teenage poetry. but are we saying the people who most need to expulge feeling shouldn't?

er
perhaps
we need
to rethink?

*clanging sound of jaw-dropped journalist*

Re: WILL NEVER BE Sick Of Conor Oberst

You wrote:

<< Overall, if you dont have anything positive to say about someone, then dont say it at all. >>

Sadly, saying things which aren't always positive is part and parcel of music criticism.

Sick Of Conor Oberst

What so being EMO is now considered negative???! Well Chuff me

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

This again! heh

Oh get a sense of humour. I've been depressed and known people who are depressed and suicidal - my opinions on bright eyes music remain the same. I'm sorry but I find his exaggerated over-the-top 'I'm just about to start crying' voice phony and irritating a lot of the time. It does not sound even slightly sincere to me. Maybe it is sincere, maybe it isn't, but as he's releasing music to the world, I'm entitled to judge the music on it's musical merits, the way it sounds. And it sounds horribly exaggerated and insincere to me.

But you like it and that's okay - just don't presume that everyone will, or that those who don't somehow 'arent getting it', as that's bullshit. You'll probably come to the same conclusion yourself once you outgrow your, ooh, what is it, 13-year-old angst ?

Nuff said.

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

They just keep on coming...

N.

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

They come along, post once or twice, then vanish into the ether. Rather like Tom Sykes when he wrote this article.

Sick Of Conor Oberst

OMG!! How dare you slag off Conor???? He's beautiful and talented and writes beautiful words about beautiful things and and and and... *cries*

RETRO POST!!!!! ;)

Sick Of Conor Oberst

I like bright eyes, but does that make me a suicidal, selfish little kid, no. I don't understand why people would waste their time to write and essay on a band they hate. I think you should leave the "emo" kids alone, they like what they like, just like you do. So stop being a little nazi-bitch, telling everyone what they should or shouldn't like.

Re: Stop Fighting.

Go buy some Tom Mcrae youl love him, sincerely

Sick Of Conor Oberst

This article and it's comments are comedy gold from beginning to end, thank you all.

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

Hmm, yes I heard a happy bright eyes song the other week! I was very surprised. He still over-does the 'I'm about to crack up any minute' vocals though.

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

wow... tom sykes is a genius. full stop.

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

get to bed, child.

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It makes me smile that people STILL comment on this article!

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You would think a 'poet' would know the correct use of to....

Heh

hahahaha

I can't believe this thread is still going...

Like, get over it. ;)

appreciate the emotion someone has?

that's weeeiiirrrrdddd

did you sign up jut to have

a go at these feature?

*this

Yeah

Fuck Him

OMG

YOUR STUPID LOL.

this is still going?

nice one! I think some people take things way too seriously. Plus Bright Eyes IS a whiny bastard, but sometimes people want to listen to a whiny bastard, that's fine, just don't whine on the internet when someone finally outs and says that he IS a whiny bastard, because that makes YOU a whiny bastard, and noone is listening to a bunch of whiny bastards. Except fellow whiny bastards I guess....

you wish

:-/

Ah come off it...

I'm one of the biggest Bright Eyes fans you're likely to find, but even I think he's a cock.

Thanks to The Guardian for reminding me of this legend of an article.

I read this article before i "got" bright eyes

and now i have "got" it, i feel the need to comment.
This article is crap. I mean, really. It reads like the exact "15 year old" type of rant he seems to dislike.
And yeah, he is whingy, but thats good. I like the melodrama of it all, and youre forgetting that music is more than just a tune to go along to some lyrics, and bright eyes write great songs.
So there.

YEAH YES_

That's me pwned

:(

aw

:)

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

This truly is the thread that keeps on giving...

DENTAL PLAN

I am outraged

:D

i feel bad now

i meant it ironingly though

sick of tom sykes

write your own music or dont listen piece of shit, you whine as much as him.

Oberst

I tend not to read articles that include certain words in CAPITAL LETTERS, because it's usually a good sign that that the author is an idiot and is ranting for lack of a more persuasive writing style. I read this, though, because I'm a fan of Desaparecidos and Bright Eyes. And, just as I suspected, it's a pile of drivel. Yes, Conor Oberst constantly goes on about the relatively inconsequential woes of heartache. So does Morrissey. So does Malcolm Middleton. So do many songwriters, because it's sometimes how they feel, just as it's sometimes how the listener feels. You can't wallow forever but then Conor Oberst doesn't anymore (unlike Morrissey).

The tragic irony is that the author used to listen to Bright Eyes themselves. There are lots of bands I listened to as a teenager that I don't anymore, but that doesn't mean those bands are now redundant to the world. There's a time and a place for abject, self-indulgent misery in music. There really is. And you won't ever succeed in patronising young people into growing out of it until they're ready.

i understand that this was written a long time ago so i'm hoping your view on oberst has changed somewhat. at any rate, i've always liked conor oberst. though some of his earlier work is mediocre at best, i can't help but love mystic valley band. and there's no denying monsters of folk is incredible, if not just for jim james.

TAKE...ME OUT TO THE BALL GAME

TAKE...ME OUT TO THE BALLLLL

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