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Sick Of Conor Oberst

There are two unbearable things on the face of this planet. One - Pain, and Two - Hearing people fucking whining about it. For ages. And repeatedly. If arrogant Nebraskan teen (well, whatever, he acts like he’s still 15) Oberst was in a fucking concentration camp, being brutally beaten and tortured then I’d let him off, but as it stands his chosen dish from Café D’angst is, like, girls LEAVING HIM! Oh. My. God. The poor guy. Get over it. DON’T act like a total prick and write songs about your once dearly-beloved, you insensitive brat, laden with hundreds of references only SHE will get, and only SHE will be hurt by. DON’T write a self-pitying concept album (last year’s ‘Fevers and Meeeeeeeeeers’), and DON’T let yourself off the hook by claiming it’s all a show, you’re only a character. That doesn’t work for Eminem and it doesn’t work for you. DO FUCKING NOT compose a song entitled ‘It’s cool, we can still be friends’, a bitter assault on an ex-lover, and end with the lines “I’m pouring some whisky, I’m gonna get real fucking drunk, so I pass out, and forget your face by the time I wake up”. You utter bastard.

Right, I believe you are depressed, I believe you have problems, and I believe it’s ok to write songs about it. But, and this is the important bit, don’t get all high and mighty and decide that these songs deserve to be displayed to the world! "But hey, you don’t have to buy them if you don’t want!" SO FUCKING WHAT? Once it intentionally enters the media then you’ve crossed that line, the line between personal gratification and belief that you have something to offer the world. Miserable fucking teens do not need more shoegazery, whining, self-pitying quotes for their MSN names. They need a good fucking slap round the face. They need rock and roll, outrage, disgust, and hell, even fucking happiness! Cheer the existential, weight-on-my-back-gotta-drink-fucking-vodka-to-stop-the-fucking-paaaaaiiiinn kids up! Don’t give them more ammo!

Desaparecidos is a good start, but stop screaming like you’ve just endured the worst pain in the world, and get that fucking trembly, ‘gonna cry I’m so sad’, tone from your voice, ok? No one should get away with such blatant self-pity, and usually they don’t. If he constantly phoned up his friends and whined at them about how sad he is, and how he thinks about suicide, they’d tell him to shut the fuck up and get over it (I would hope, anyway). It’s because he puts it in a song, in such a poetic style, that everybody goes "Ahhh" and worries about the poor little lad. Well WAKE UP! Here’s the truth: No one can go onstage night after night and FEEL all that pain. He’s kidding himself and he’s kidding you. How can he still feel for a girl that dumped him years previously? (Well, ok, I’m not ruling that out, but she probably dumped him because of his constant fucking whining! He deserved it!) The guy is wallowing, and he makes you wallow too.

Now, some people say that the Bright Eyes game isn’t about self-pity. No, really, they do. When that boy goes into the studio to record a song, all that can possibly emerge from his collapsing little frame is total and utter T-O-R-T-U-R-E! And get this, we apparently walk away from the experience feeling happier, having come through the worst with our little ‘Wunderkind’ guiding us by the hand. WELL! What’s the best word to describe all that bollocks?

Oh well, BOLLOCKS will do. Sing it loud, sing it far. Run the fuck over to Omaha and bleat it in the bastard’s face. He has A CHOICE! Choice one is to sing songs, like a normal little boy, hitting all the right notes and not going out of his way to whine for a new surrogate mother/teenage fan. Choice two is to use song writing as a diary, a self-obsessed (yes, you were right on ‘Padraic my prince’), self-pitying (don’t deny it, he isn’t talking about war), self-indulgent little teenage diary. For god-knows-how-long he’s been walking the second road, but thankfully that trend seems to be bucking slightly, as, on the new EP, he cuts the method acting rubbish for a few brief moments and decides to sing properly. And all nicely! Aww. You do have to wade through loads of ‘look at me!’ crap about doctors and pills though, which is a shame.

Hey, I used to like Bright Eyes. I used to appreciate the self-pity and relate it to my own experiences (like I’m sure you do). But like most bands out there, they either let you down, or you realise the truth. And the truth is that listening to Bright Eyes turns you into a whiny little vodka-drinking cunt, and I don’t think any of us really wants to be like that, do we? Be "entranced" by this moaning indie-bollocks if you will, but I for one couldn’t give a toss about this or any other Saddle Creek band. It’s a cyclical (i.e. it won’t fucking die!) culture of liars, whiners, shoegazers and poets. Oh, I forgot, they’re all the same thing. Bastards. Bright Eyes may be heading in a slightly more acceptable direction, but ‘Wunderkind’ Conor still has that pin ready and waiting to stick deep into his hand. Question is, are you gonna give him the time of day?

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Hahaha! that boy has had this coming for so long. This made me laugh out loud thankyou very much! I doubt you'll be popular with the legions of 16 year old indie girls who fancy him though.

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as much as i love his work, you have a point and that was fucking funny. time to go listen to some mclusky instead

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I'm just jealous of his good looks really, and his "ability to play the guitar". Man, I never knew "Needy, attention-seeking bastard" was such a good look. Bloody poets.

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you know janeyferr then?

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I don't actually. Is she nice? She has a nice name.

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i guess whatever response i give is the typical one you were expecting. but whatever. you're just jealous.

meh. i was gonna write something as a sort of dig, but then i thought no. i'm feeling strangely optimistic tonight (been waltered.) so i'll let you off or something like that.

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damn me and my skim-reading of anything that'll probably offend me.

you insult saddle creek, you insult my cat!! (and he's obese. and when he's hyper, really quite nasty. so don't do it!)

damn it, you've really aggravated me now.

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oh dear, miranda's gonna pogo, mosh and burst until you have nowhere in your world without pieces of her to remind you what you have done boyo.

congratulations are in order of sorts.

i really should goto bed.

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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmclusky :)

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hehehehe. I dunno, I still like Bright Eyes, but precisely because they're good catharsis when you're in such an irretrievably bad mood that nothing is going to drag you out and you may as well wallow. I agree they should be restricted access when you're NOT in that mood, tho ;)

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The thing is, whiny little emo kids LEAP onto his lyrics when they're sad (which is, like, all the time presumably) thinking it gives them a license to moan. Maybe he does "understand" what they are going through, but what they are going through is inevitably shitey angsty crap. Listen to "No lies, just love" and you should see what I mean. It contains enough good miserable quotes to make Sylvia Plath green with envy. I wish teenagers would just stop wallowing and go listen to some fucking HAPPY stuff like Span or Mclusky or something. "All your friends are cunts and your mother is a ballpoint pen thief". MUCH better than "I am a sad indie man and i do actually take pills for it, as i mention in every song ive ever written" or whatever.

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Yeah... I admit i do still like his stuff sometimes... but the lyrics and the way he sings it makes me cringe most of the time. He wants to get a sense of humour and stop trying to look so goddamn tortured like it's a fashion statement

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that's hilarious, i see you're point although i'm fairly confident that if you took enough time to actually write all that bullshit that this must most definitely be a joke of sorts. i love conor's music, but i've always like a little flare and drama in whatever comes my way. you're right though, it is rather ridiculous, i suppose you could complare the 'child phenomenon' to fiona apple or the ever adored hayden. i don't think you should put so much stock into what the kid writes if you're going to get that upset. he's from fucking nebraska, he's brilliant if he can do anything and be from that godforsaken middle of no where exsistence. anyway, he is kinda cute when he looks miserable, like he would smile if you stoked him behind the ears. eh, i still like him.

One thing that's worse than whiny music

Is people whining about whiny music

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Shuddup! It's a "rant"! That's a whole different type of whining, i mean, "passion"!

Damn you Steph. No wonder Mark left you.

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but is it not deliberately over the top ?

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oooh that's a very great rant-type thing tom *claps* i never really got bright eyes myself, the music doesn't grab me & therefore i can't be arsed to listen to the lyrics in any case.

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My my my, what a misguided little boy (that phrase you like so much) you are.

May I ask of your musical knowledge, experience in reviewing, etc?

Also, what are your favourite bands?

The most obvious reaction to you rant on Mr Oberst is: Don't listen to Bright Eyes or Desaparchidos, then.

Also, if you used to like Bright Eyes and, by your own admission, you can see an appeal, why contradict yourself by saying Conor is a "prick?"

What exactly makes Conor arrogant to you? I find it amusing that someone who doesn't know a person personaly can comment on their personality traits.

He could be arrogant for all I know, but how the fuck does anyone know, apart from his friends and family?

Of course, other people do it, but they don't compile in to a 'aren't Bright Eyes shit?' piece.

Your argument is confusing - do you resent the content or the style?

At one point you talk about lyrics and then muffle it up by talking about a different style of music.

On the lyrical point, don't think that knowledge of aa band gives you a license to slag them off - you are still displaying a lot of ignorance.

As for style - jesus, Bright Eyes aren't trying to be the Vines or At The Drive In.

That's like saying '
The Beatles were shit because they weren't punk enough' or 'The Deftones should learn to chill the fuck out'.

And as you point out - Conor tried a different style with Desparachidos.

I realise music is all about opinion and lyrics are based on intrepation, unless the writer spells it out - but why do you suppose others share your opinion? Especially when you're just plucking judgements out of the air.

As for the live show - how naive would it be to assume that any performer would 'feel' the emotion that invoked them to create the art they are performing night after night?

I know you probably wanted to stir up a reaction, but you've embarassed yourself.


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Their song "Something Vague" is actually pretty excellent.

The other stuff by Bright Eyes is "somewhat vague" to me though :( .

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oh blah. talk about arrogant. how about instead of telling conor oberst to get over it, you get over it. firstly, ok fine, you don't like bright eyes. that doesn't give you any right to attack oberst's personality. secondly, you obviouly know nothing about music or poetry, therefore your attempts to discredit his songwriting ability are just silly and ignorant. he may not always write the truth, (what poet really does?) but he writes what he feels, with an eloquence you, at least, could never match. and last but not least, to those of you of the "sad people should listen to happy music to make them feel better" way of thinking, you have obviously never been seriosuly depressed, or you would understand how much worse it makes you feel when everyone around you is happy, and you're not. you need depressing music, so that you can say "i'm not alone--i am not the only one who feels this way--i am not some sort of sad freak who doesn't know how to appreciate anything." that sort of fellow-feeling is absolutely necessary, as is the catharsis of writing it in the first place. so basically, tom, get over yourself and stop being so damn condescending.

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Get over yourself.

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every one of you should get the fuck over yourselves except me. And Hank.

lack of tact

someone is holding a grudge. are you completely uncultured? do you realize most of the great "poets" DO write somber words. some people use writing as an outlet. and it worked for this guy. he's making money off of sharing his life. if you met him, you'd feel different. but his vocabulary might be incoherent to you. he does't use the word "fuck" quite so much. very mature of you to do so.
yes, maybe you lack the talent to put your soul into song. and if you are really wanting to hear someone whine, go to your homepage and read... v-e-r-y...s-l-o-w-l-y. grow up and wear something to cover up the green hue of your skin.

by the way...

in regards to the phony interview at the end of fevers and mirrors, that wasn't even conor. it was todd.

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oh wah wah wah, "i wish kids would listen to this and this and this because thats what i like, and my opinions are vastly superior to EVERYONE'S". i had a whole arguement worked out, but i know it wouldn't get through your thick skull so i'll leave you with a solitary fuck you.

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Really, you need to shut up. Let the boy vent. He's a brilliant writer, and you need to grow up, not him.

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I'd forgotten all about that article. Don't take it as representative as the view of all of dis. at all.

'Lifted..' is in my top 5 albums of the year infact.

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I was just commenting on the article ripping apart Conor. I have no idea who wrote it.

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(it says it at the bottom of the article)

ollie.

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well, alright thanks. I personally extremely idolize Conor. He's an extremely intelligent, beauitufl man.

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find urself a new idol. he's a bit of a fag. what on earth can he tell u that u can't tell yrself? apart from moan about being insignificunt and how pointless everything is.

p.s. idols are meant to bring hope.

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"a bit of a fag"???

I bet you love eminem dontcha.. you sad redneck homophobe!

IaNaUn

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You know, even if he does like men, why the hell would it matter? I like the way he writes and what would anybody be able to tell me that I can't tell myself? I enjoy him, and obviously enjoys what he does, and you need to find some way to deal with your tendency to be homophobic. Grow up

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It's bad enough to whine about being depressed. We don't need poeple whining about people who whine about being depressed. If you're that serious about nay-saying emo music, maybe you should start your own emo sub-genre and, instead of whining about girls, you could whine about how people whine about girls too much. Whiner.

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If we followed your logic, we'd all have to listen to zelously religious music. You can be idolized as a symbol for intelligence, talent, good cooking.. hell, there's lots of stuff you could "idolize" somebody for. Jackass.

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Exactly. You can also have things you dislike about a person and still idolize them for other extraordinary qualities that you wish you had. Nobody is perfect, anyway.

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Or why not just whine about whining and end up getting caught in an endless self-referential loop? :-) those are always fun.

The man has a point though.

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wow. people are STILL commenting on this dude's article. after all this time.

that's an achievement in itself really.

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Bright Eyes, they're the new National Bedroom Obsession. Kind of like the emo generation's Belle & Sebastian.

hmmm, I suspect this comment is going to piss a few people off.
But its true.

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HAHAHAHHAHAAHHAH, as if there is no passion in Connor's music...

HAHAHHAHAHAH what a dumb....I cant say it, there are children here...as in YOU

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"All your friends are cunts and your mother is a ballpoint pen thief".

Haha. Sounds interesting. You should try a band called Cancerslug. What they lack in musical talent, they make up in lyrics such as,"I wish I could have torn your mother's cunt apart and plucked you out way before you were born." Your article was amazing. I am a fan of Bright Eyes, but that was hilarious. And true for the most part. I think it's ok to like emo music, but if it's the only thing you listen to, and you can't even joke about it, it's rather pathetic.

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so you're bitter then....i dont get this guy.he said he liked bright eyes. i think hes in some sort of denial.and what's with all the swearing?!does he think hes better than conor oberst by any chance...i believe so. he needs to get his arrogant head out of his ass.....

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Look, I really should have not let this article live. As the editor of this site I absolutely adore Bright Eyes. In theory Conor came to number.1 in our staff charts for 2002 (combining desparacidos and 'the story..').

This tom fella hasn't written for the site since this article. Out of his own choice. And just look what else he did review - the vines? the coral? er, HELLO!

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People have different opinions.

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Ha! I dunno I kinda like this rant, it makes me laugh. Even if it is technically just WRONG this guy is obviously SO utterly pissed off about it and hates him with a such PASSION that it makes an entertaining rant. And, judging by the amount of comments on it, it's caused some kind of discussion which, presuming it isnt ALL about how shit DiS is and how all our writers are so awful blah blah, means it sparked someones interest - which is nice.

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I think it's great. Whether you like the music or not a lot of the criticism in there is valid, and I think needed saying. What is it with this emo boy aesthetic of pain as something almost desirable, something to be held up to the world as though you're proud of it, as though it makes you a better, deeper person?

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Of course the angrier you are the deeper you are. Ditto the uglier.

So I'm an ugly angry kid and i like Bright Eyes.

But yeah, the article has a few good points which shall be addressed when i get my interview. Along with that question everyone wants to know the answer to about the kiss with Winona which turned up in The Sun.

Was just saying all the blind hatred of that bright eyes article shouldn't be seen as the editorial line at dis (most people don't realise I let anyone old crazy rant about music on 'ere!)

Sean

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Tom opens this article with that "two worst things on earth" thing...may i suggest there's one thing way worse than either? the guy that writes a really long article complaining about a guy complaining...i'm surprised you didn't disappear into some cosmic vortex, accidentally cancelling yourself out for being so unknowingly ironic...i think Tom is secretly in love with Conor's bright eyes...

nebraska

have you ever even been to nebraska you dip shit

hey ass

You talk about "teenagers" like you're not one. Unless your profile is incorrect, you are 19 years old.

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its music. if sad music is what some people are into let it be. i mean you wouldn't want somebody telling you that you are listening to the wrong music and you are pathetic for it. its music and its what each person makes it.

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Hmm that was an interesting article...
Sounds to me like someones just a bit bitter. I admire Bright Eyes for there dishonesty and honsety. Who is to tell someone else what is there story to tell. An author gets to write about characters why can't a songwriter do the same? You know, they can! They should it helps the expansion of the art. And I've heard the lyrics to not all, but quite a few of Conor's songs and I don't view all of them as negative as your making them seem. Maybe, or it could be that you have a negative outlook either way, whether someone like a songwriter, gives you the excuse to. Its all about viewpoint.

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Haha is this article linked from some militant Bright eyes fan club site or something? Every few weeks a new one of these comments comes up. Personally I think it's hilarious and quite valid criticism too

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I've replied to this stimulus once before, but I think it needs a brief update.

This provocative article proves the age-old saying that any publicity is good publicity.

And the majority of people replying to the earlier criticism will be looking forward to the August tour.

But you never get people coming on to say 'yeah,I agree that x band are awful' because they wouldn't be interested in opening the thread in the first place.

For all those that were interested - see you all at the Manchester and London gigs.

vitty

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do you find it odd that he be playing Academy3/Hop&Grape in Manchester and then swooping down to play Shepherd's Bush Empire in London. On the same tour.
Or is he supporting someone in London?...

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Nah, he's just bigger down 'ere than up dere.
Can't wait.

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that's SO gay

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Haha as I suspected, on inspecting the referrer logs this article is linked by a bunch of militant bright eyes fans on livejournal. Hello people! and get a sense of humour some of you...

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I had a feeling it might've been...

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even if that article was supposed to be funny or satirical it pissed me off. i want to see tom sykes write a song that is one tenth as good as connor's.

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why? it would be rubbish

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unless you think conor is great ten times over

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I don't really want him (tom) to write music. I just mean he shouldn't be bashing Oberst when he couldn't do any better anyway.

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HOLY FUCKING SHIT! who the hell do you think you are? obviously you think you are someone stupid and unworthy to even be writting the NAME Conor Oberst. How dare you try and insult the lyrical genious and musical God that is Conor Oberst. You should be slowly fed rat poison til your heart stops beating. YOU SUCK ASS! and that also goes to all you other ppl who dont think Conor Oberst is the most talented person on earth. For future reference, your wronge.

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'your wronge.'

and you can sure articulate yourself well.

that post made precisely zero valid points, unless 'i disagree strongly' counts.

Are you going to attempt to defend Conor's publicly snotty, whiney, emotional exhibitionist and self-pitying behaviour towards his ex girlfriend(s) ? How'd you like it if your ex started doing that?

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Conor might be a fucking whiney twat but he does write some damn good songs. And even if you disagree with that, you really can't tarnish all of the Saddle Creek bands with the same brush. There are some incredibly good bands on SC and none of them are anywhere near as whiney is Oberst's bands. Mayday? The Faint? The Good Life? Azure Ray?

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the good life are whiney

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even if this article was just a joke from someone who actually likes bright eyes. they shouldnt deserve to be listening to his music or talking about him in a good or bad way anywhere. conor oberst is the most amazing person ever. he shouldnt have his fans riping on him. if they took the time to point out all the mistakes he has and posting them they shouldnt be worthy of anything.

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wow. conor oberst is a fucking genius. enough said. he writes his own music. its not just music, its deeper then that. he reaches people who appreciate music..who arent just self obsorbed ignorant bastards. why dont you try something other then writing about how someone else is handeling they're life...and handle your own. im sure you can do it too.

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yes, you have a point there. i wouldnt put so much effort and time into someone i despise....

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Nope, but then, you've gotta admit, the article is pretty funny. A lot of the points he makes are valid (if a bit exaggerated) and it's amusing to see one of indie/emo rock's holy cows shot down in flames, as opposed to another one of these awful bland 'Girls Who Feel Sorry For Poor Little Conor And Want To Fuck Him' opinions.

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i think Conor Oberst is a great songwriter. we all have certain emotions, and need to express them in some way, shape, or form. Conor decides to do it in songs. if you don't like conor oberst/bright eyes, then don't buy his fucking cd, you prick (the author of the article). if you don't like him, don't waste so much of your time complaining about him. if you dont like him, don't bitch to us.

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Yes, I quite agree... too long has DiS offered 'opinions', when there really is no need. I for one am going to start just posting the press release when I have to cover a single's release.

Christ, you should have seen the flack I took for accidentally misquoting a Bright Eyes lyric, it wiped the floor with that whole Elvis Costello/
Ray Charles affair for gravitas...

Can we not just remove that link from that fanzine? I haven't seen such a hooha since someone went on the Belle and Sebastian website suggesting that Stuart thingymajic was a 'bit wet'...

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You could quite possibly be the most ridiculous and hypocritical human being I have ever came in contact with in my entire human existence. Your article draws absolutely no point, except for the fact that you are nothing but the whiney, depressed and bitter person you try to portray Conor as. Conor Oberst writes beautiful and emotional lyrics. You know what they say, "don't criticize what you can't understand". You're so close-minded it's sickening.

But then again you said you were once a Bright Eyes fan (which completely baffled me). So this could be just jealousy.

Grow up and stop writing novels about people you aren't fond of.

Lauren <3

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does anyone else think we should have a separate messageboard for all the replies to this article? :D

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I dunno, but I've got so much to make up for when I do the interview.

Really annoys me that folks visiting our site think that we hate one of my favourite bands.

Sean

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not that i have anything to say that someone else posting something about this redculous article hasn't already said, but yeah you're a fucking idiot for attacking conor's music style. you know for some whiney emo kids this isn't fuel, but an escape. something they can use to think things through and get their crumbled mess of thoughts together. so fuck you and your stupid ass article. conor is a musical and lyrical genius and you are nothing but an opinonated, close minded dope.

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dear me, is there no end to these people?


Lanky.

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we need to rehire tom sykes i reckon. he could be our oldskool swells!!! :D provoking hatred, fury and arguments wheresoever he turns... maaarvellous.

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he was never got rid off, we've only ever got rid of about 10 people, three of whom were alias' of Joe Wisbet.

he just stopped. for no apparent reason.

sean

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perhaps he was abducted by a throng of torch-waving, rampaging bright eyes fans :)

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damn straight! *waves torch drawn all over in black sharpie depicting flowers in nooses* ONWARD HO! *slams coconuts together and gallops to kidnap and slaughter the next opposer*

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Anyway u look at him, he is most definantly the most talented lyricist since bob dylon, through thought provoking lyrics and of course sad, happy, angry and any other emotion that tickles that little fancy of yours!

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Im a good looking happy kid, and i love bright eyes... not for there sad lyrics but because they present you with some truth and some agony. Conors lyrics are amazing, no way around each line is brilliant and makes u get shivers in ur back. U dont ahve to be depressed to like this music, u just need to love music in all forms and entities. CONOR IS DEFINANTLY A ENTITY IN MUSIC NOT TO BE FUCKED WITH!

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how do you know that, ive seen him in concert and he does sound like that....

IM SO CONFUSED

wow.

that was ... boring. i couldn't get through the first paragraph.

anyway. hi. i do not care about conor's music, what shit he's been through, or whatever.

all i know-he's &%(!@$( hot. i'd wanna do him. that would be more than i'd deserve, to do lil' skinny conor oberst.

haha. look at me, i'm a shallow pervert without any self respect. doesn't that just rock?

Sick Of Conor Oberst

i don't understand why this guy has such a big problem with Conor. Conor is an amazing poet. Why does he have to bitch about Bright Eyes, I mean, Jon Davis and probably a thousand other people bitch about stuff that happened to them. So what, if Conor wants to bitch about someone leaving him then let him. If it makes him write good music then that's fine with me. People just don't know how to appriciate good music anymore..bright eyes is awesome. i think this person is extremely stupid, and somewhat hypocritical. how can you like a band and then suddenly hate them.and it's not like no one ever bitches about bad stuff that happens to them. this guy has nothing to support his opinon he pretty much repeats the same thing over and over again, i found it pretty lame and the use of bad launguge is just saying that he doesn't even have good vocabulary and shouldn't even have or been allowed to write an article.

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Dito. I'm not offensive to look at, and I'm pretty spritely, and I'm currently building up my Bright Eyes CD collection - consisting so far of not as many as I'd like.

Re: wow.

Yep.I didn't get through the first paragraph either.Totally boring.On the other hand...He's totally sexy.Very nice.Yeah.Hi.

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lucky for yous...

im an ugly angry sad bastard, and i both love and hate bright eyes for that reason.

tom sykes you the man!

article there was good stuff, profanity, music, youth, bitterness, beautiful!

Re: tom sykes you the man!

you know tom sykes? as in 'magician'...(well he tries...)
???

Hmm...

curious, are you a groupie who was turned down by conor or are you just a teenybopper that consider justin timberlake god?

hey, you can have an opinion, but that was so pathetic, it was actually a bit amusing. thanks for the laugh :D

Re: Hmm...

Yes you're absolutely right, modern music: it's a straight choice between Conor Oberst and Justin Timberlake

Re: Hmm...

i'd go for timberlake every time.

x
gen

Re: Hmm...

Same here... He is the MJ for the noughties without the court case and psycopathic tendencies.

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i only prefer conor over justin because:

1. i do not like justin's music or any or nsync
2. i think conor's lyrics have more meaning then justin's

i don't think neither of them are "hot" or should be considered god's. i remember someone comparing conor with bob dylan and i thought that was nuts. unless they are only comparing because of their singing.

to me, my god are john lennon, george harrison, the boss, jim morrison and mr. bob dylan himself :)

anywya, my little rambling for today

Re: Hmm...

I'm probably on my own here, but i think Conor is sexy. Justin..not remotely good looking, sings like a girl.:)

Re: Hmm...

At least Conor doesn't wear velour tracksuits. Or maybe he does...

Sick Of Conor Oberst

worst article i've ever read on Drownedinsound/the internet.

you should be ashamed Tom Sykes, absolute moron.

if you don't "get" Bright Eyes/Oberst then that's your choice. but for the attention of drownedinsound, negative articles are fine if they're constructive, intelligent or witty. but if i want to read crap like this Tom Sykes article i'll stick to Mein Kempf.

never publish this writer again please, i'd rather read the opinions of a lizard.

david.
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acting_with_certainty@hotmail.com

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he hasn't written for us since that article.
but even still, years on, its getting peoples goats.

expect a somewhat glowing review (aslong as he's got his socks pulled up) of next weeks Shepherds Bush show from me.

Sean

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yeah, damn shame the Postal Service have pulled out as support acts though :(

david
x

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have they???????? i didnt know that. bet someone crap plays instead? any idea?

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That article was the best troll ever. Seriously. Ever since it's meant we can all piss ourselves laughing at the constant flow of outraged cries from overly righteous and sincere Bright Eyes fans. The guy was blatantly trying to wind you all up and boy did he succeed. Still, the article makes some valid points. How would you feel if you ex boy/girlfried started writing those kind of lyrics about you and singing them to the world as some kind of tortured soul? it all strikes me as rather phony, as does a lot of the 'emotion' in emo type rock.

Oh and if you're going to make a lame Hitler/Nazi comparison in the first post of a thread (try a google search on 'Godwin's Law'), you could at least spell Mein Kampf right.

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i can't believe you're trying to invalidate my comments by picking out a single spelling mistake, in german.

please don't reply, i don't intend to.

david
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acting_with_certainty@hotmail.com

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and in response to Sean, the new support is British Sea Power, which is good enough, but in my experience of them they perform with noticeably less enthusiasm when they're supporting.

would've been great to see Ben Gibbard.

enjoy.

david
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acting_with_certainty@hotmail.com

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Blah, they were really crap at Truck and i really hated their album. Grrr... why are such good support slots wasted?

Sean

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Funny that. They weren't crap at all at Truck...

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That wasn't intended to invalidate your comments (it didn't address them!), it was a little aside pointing out that over-the-top nazi comparisons are lame, and not even spelling them right is lamer. God some people are easy to wind up.

hmmm

I've never really 'got' Bright Eyes myself, seen them live at a festival having read the blurb and been excited and just got really bored, his stuff just makes me think..."you arn't a tenth as good as The Beauty Shop/Songdog/Sparklehorse"....

I reckon the above article carries a blatant 'tougue in cheek' undercurrent, and is slightly amusing...
however, for all a lot of the 'angsty' complaints smack of a need to think before acting, if someone wrote a similar diss on say...the above bands, or Jeff Buckley/The Clash, David Holmes, Squarepusher, A Tribe Called Quest etc., I would feel an ever so slight urge to scream 'YOU'RE WRONG', then I'd realise this would reflect badly on myself, the artist concerned, and music generally, as it would be devoid of humour, or the ability to consider differing opinions... I'm not an especially big fan of 'ranting' crit. myself as it seems far too easy to slate something unequivocally, still the above article is highly impressive to this end, mind you, for all the hatred surrounding Mr Oberst's personality, and the fact that his stage presence made me think 'if your that depressed, please do something else as you're boring me' I've seen a couple of interviews where he comes across as a reasonably sound guy


lastly, I'll just take the time to plug
www.noripcord.co.uk

Re: hmmm

Good points

Sick Of Conor Oberst

uh.. yeah. and who the fuck are you?

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I'm guessing (!!!) isn't your real name.

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Nice to see some intelligent commentary. While many people have posted disagreeing with the article none of you have really addressed any of the issues it raises, just fallen for the bait and got abusive and wound up about it without really saying much at all.

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first off im gonna have to agree on conors obssesive whining but...

people enjoy depressing music to compare it with there own lives.. just because somone sings about depressing things in there lives dosnt mean thats what they live and feed on...but for some of us, thats all we have...

try not to judge people without knowing them
and maybe you will get somewhere besised a
bunch of teenage kids complaning on your comments
on the internet.

just an option :/

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Alrighty I think that article was the biggest load of bull I have ever heard. Bright Eyes is way better than any of the other music out there today. So what if Conor Oberst's lyrics are sad and depressing. At least all his feelings are real and all his lyrics have meaning behind them. His songs are something we can all relate to. Who out there hasnt wanted to take that extra pill just to erase all the shit they put up with today. Half the artists out there sing whatever is thrown at them with no personal experience behind it at all. It's better than listening to 50 cent rap about his loads of money and all his hoes and bitches.

Sick Of Conor Oberst

Whoever wrote this article is the most pointless, pointless bastard who ever lived, ever.

Sick Of Conor Oberst

Just enjoy the music- Not many people do that nowadays. Everyone MUST nitpick and find something terribly wrong to discuss amongst their peers in order to tear away from the akward silence that would eventually creep up upon them. Take it for what it is and if that's IMPOSSIBLE then don't share your opinions, they'll only go unheard.

I'm actually a really nice girl... - Mary

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Grammar, grammar, grammar... now we all know it's "awkward", right ? ;-)

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It's called a 'humorous rant'. Get over it.

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Get over it ? There's nothing to get over, at least not the topic that has raised so many comments. Now, how do i get over something I was never under ? - Mary

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There is something to get over - the fact that, shock horror, not everyone worships the ground Conor walks on, some of us happen to think he's a bit of a whiny fuck, and happen to think that a humorous ranty article putting forward this point of view is actually quite amusing. And the 'poor-little-conor' brigade are so easily wound up it's funny looking at the responses

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i completely agree dude

Re: tom sykes you the man!

well fuck some tom sykes...that dude is way out of line. i suppose you would appreciate his piece of shit article if you are shallow people, but first off, he had no writing skills what-so-ever and his sources suck. this is an opinion article and he is trying to convince you people to hate conor by using profanity and smooth talking. of course you think tom is the man...who doesn't think it is funny when someone makes fun of someone....i don't but i am sure you do. Talk about "high and mighty", this guy (tom) is getting off on you people praising him for shit that he doesn't know about...let the kid sing his pain out...i won't hurt you...you don't have to buy the cd or listen to his songs or download them...i don't understand why this tom kid is so harsh on conor. it isnt like he knows the guy and tom was probably looking to get a reaction from people by writing an article that is completely degrading to a perfectly good musician and in my opinion, by reading this "article", tom sounds like he is a fourth grader with really bad language. he was just picking on someone whom he does not know at all. do you realize how shallow that makes him? that is like me talking shit about you because you wrote those comments. i don't know about you but that would piss me off. why don't you find your confidence somewhere else and stop feeding off making fun of people....that is all i have to say

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i completely agree dude

Re: tom sykes you the man!

er well im talkin about a differant tom sykes and he aint wrote no articles
calm down
sorry that u r so angry :)
xx

Re: tom sykes you the man!

Haha... another emo kid takes the bait

Re: tom sykes you the man!

i am not a fucking emo kid...i was just stating that this tom kid is full of shit and has too many insecurities....sounds to me like you do as well...

I am NOT sick of Conor Oberst

I HATE YOU!!!!
YOU WHINEY BASTARD!!!
ANYONE WHO LISTENS TO CONORS MUSIC WILL KNOW THAT YOU ARE WRITING SUCH UTTER BULLSHIT!! GET A LIFE AND DONT BE SO JEALOUS OF OTHERS WHO HAVE ONE!!! OR BETTER STILL JUST GO JUMP OFF A BRIDGE!!

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I hate you, you whiney bastard. Go and get a life and realise that not everyone has to have the same opinions as you and that discussion can be interesting AND informative. Or, better still, just go and jump off a bridge.

KPxx

P.S. I do actually like Bright Eyes, a lot. I just dont like you.

fuck you man

im not sick of conor or bright eyes or n e other side band he may have going i understand that you have an opinion but that post was over the top!!! your the fucking whiner asshole

Perspective

Conor is a businessman.

The truth of the matter is, like the rest of us, he must either live or die. His living depends on the success (or failure) of his chosen profession: Music. Anything he does to push this machine forward is what is called a "shtick". His shtick, or method of operation, involves using techniques such as sad lyrics, bad vocals, and acoustic guitar parts, anything and everything his set includes, to attract a certain set of audience members so that he can make X amount of money to continue the show. This audience usually includes young people who fall along the same personality lines or for some other reason are attracted to the music. (or Conor.)

Mature or not, vulgar or not, our friend Tom had some intriguing points. What Conor is trying to instill is definitely something worthy of note, but is it as noteworthy as many give him credit for? Alot of people think so...but let's look at the facts:

1. In a range of 50 websites in a research survey conducted, 80% of all postage and statistics/voting on Conor Oberst was by majority, women. I am not saying this is a problem, but I am saying that the appeal of Conor's music is far more limited than that of the credit done for him.

2.You look up any music site, such as a CD sales site, and I'll guarantee you that almost every one of the sites that list Conor as a genius or have some suck-up long ass article on him will have a 50%--0% smaller article on Jimi Hendrix, someone with a far greater musical lineage, legendary status, and record sales than Conor Oberst/Saddle Creek/Desa/Bright Eyes combined. What does this say about my point?

Alot.

My Final Point: Conor's shtick is not universal. It can only appeal to a certain mindset, and can only be appreciated by a certain type of individual. It is limited. It is youthful. It is credible--to a degree. I respect his abilities, I respect Conor, and I respect his intentions; but Conor is, like the rest of us, flesh and blood.

Conor is not God. And be damned to whoever says so.

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yeah sorry about that i dont actually want anyone to jump off a bridge!! it was just the prospect of being faced with such relentless insults of Brighteyes who are like the best band ever! sorry for being such a whiney bastard

Re: lack of tact

I agree totally! :) xxx

Sick Of Conor Oberst

stop arguing! people have different fukin opinions! NOT ONIONS!!!!

Sick Of Conor Oberst

I THINK THAT LAURA LUKS LIEK A CROW FROM THE BOOK I AM THE KING OF THE CASTLE! LAURA LOCVES KINGSHAW AND FIELDING"!!! LAYURE CRITED WHEN KINGSHAW COMMITS SUICIDE! HAHAHA I TOLD YOU THE ENDING TO THEB STORY NOW YOU FUK ASSES!!! THIS SUKS COK! SO DOES LAURA FOR 35 PENCES

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stay off the cider
in fact
stay out of parks too

Re: lack of tact

Nah, the great poets are rarely sombre. Great poets are happy and fun. That's what makes them great. Anyone can be sombre.

And the word fuck is a very useful addition to anyone's vocabulary.


Lanky.

Sick Of Conor Oberst

uh well ya know what? this is okay that you wrote this. this is your art. im not going to tell you you are horrible. (which i now think you are, you insensitive prick) But his music is his art, his way of letting out anger and "whining". But if that's what you call what he is doing, what the fuck would you call what you're doing? Is this not whining and bitching about something? Isnt that what you're complaining about?

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Where are these people COMING from?

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shuddup sally u big wale pulling pie eater!! u suck cock not me!!

Sick of Conor Oberst, eh?

Have you ever, once considered that maybe Conor is *not* just writing lyrics like he does to be a whiney, angsty teen? Ever considered that his lyrics are what he uses to help himself get out his emotions?

Yes, Conor has problems, there is no denying it. He's an alcoholic, depressed, etc., but instead of accusing him of doing it to be cool, why not give him the benefit of the doubt and have some COMPASSION?

Do you have a heart? Why would you tear someone down like that?

-Leah.

Sick Of Conor Oberst

Ok, there's no denying he has problems. And yes, it shows in his music. But you have no fucking right to diss someone and say they whine because they're depressed. Not everyone is strong and can say 'fuck you' to things. People have different ways of solving their problems and maybe his music is his way to let him heal. So lay off alright?

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yes.. and this is me "ranting" about how i hate people for attacking conor :D

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who is conor oberst.never erd ov im

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an absolutely amazering artist.. who writes good *NOT WHINY* songs

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who would u compare him with.p.s i am a coinnoseur of the highest order

Not sick of Conor Oberst...

It's just like Dashboard Confessional. Some people think Chris Carraba is a whiny and angsty wimp and others believe he is some poet god. I like emo music and I especially love the whiny tone in Conor Oberst' voice and lyrics. Everyone has their own personal taste in music...to each their own..

who cares

who cares what you really think about conor oberst? u think that he's goin to see this and get all upset and quit what he loves? yeah i doubt it...for him pple like you are what challenge him to write more.

who cares

who cares what you really think about conor oberst? u think that he's goin to see this and get all upset and quit what he loves? yeah i doubt it...for him pple like you are what challenge him to write more.

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By that no-one should express an opinion here. Do you think he gives a fuck you're standing up for him?

Re: who cares

By that no-one should express an opinion here. Do you think he gives a fuck you're standing up for him?

in defense to conor

ok...well maybe you all should just keep your mouths shut, i mean why put your worthless energy into hating someone who you don't even know. The kind of music he plays is played because he wants to, not because he wants to impress anyone, of course, i don't know him either but, i feel that he plays good music, he writes good music, and he is very talented so, with all the anger from your minds, question yourselves, could it be jealousy? or stupidity? that echos from your brain.

okayokay you lil immature skanks.

if you dont like him.

dont listen to him.

gahhh that fuckin easy.

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all you stupid fucks are such haters. its so pathetic how ignorant and narrow-minded you people are. not liking a type of music is one thing, but an all out Oberst bash? How fucking sad is that? Grow up and question yourself. Nobody gives a rats ass if you dont like the music. Its anothing thing to put down and mock artists. Oberst is a prodigy who'll be around for a while. whether you notice it or not. his music is authentic and original. Tom Sykes, you are a stupid fuck for bashing on Bright Eyes. I sure hope you arent actually paid to write the garbage that you post on here. Go back to the drawing board and listen to Simple Plan and Good Charlotte in the background while youre at it. What an ignorant, dumbfuck you are, Tom Sykes.

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all you stupid fucks are such haters. its so pathetic how ignorant and narrow-minded you people are. not liking a type of music is one thing, but an all out Oberst bash? How fucking sad is that? Grow up and question yourself. Nobody gives a rats ass if you dont like the music. Its anothing thing to put down and mock artists. Oberst is a prodigy who'll be around for a while. whether you notice it or not. his music is authentic and original. Tom Sykes, you are a stupid fuck for bashing on Bright Eyes. I sure hope you arent actually paid to write the garbage that you post on here. Go back to the drawing board and listen to Simple Plan and Good Charlotte in the background while youre at it. What an ignorant, dumbfuck you are, Tom Sykes.

I wanna be...hypocrisy

Well, I find it to be quite ironic that you're all whining about how a musician "whines" too much. To each their own, and listen to what you want. Bright Eyes and Desaparecidos aren't such huge bands that you can't just decide to not listen to them.

And yet, more stupidity from our author:
"He has A CHOICE! Choice one is to sing songs, like a normal little boy, hitting all the right notes and not going out of his way to whine for a new surrogate mother/teenage fan. Choice two is to use song writing as a diary, a self-obsessed (yes, you were right on ‘Padraic my prince’), self-pitying (don’t deny it, he isn’t talking about war), self-indulgent little teenage diary."

And you have your respective choices. Choice one: To not listen to bands you hate, and Choice two: To think that Conor Oberst is going to sell out to target the demographic whose musical taste goes as deep as KISS songs.

Really, if you want simplicity, Whitesnake CD's can be bought for about 10 cents. Otherwise, just change the station whenever you hear one of his songs.

Also, the safety pin-in-the-hand bit was nothing but a joke.

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I think there's a difference between constructively criticizing and launching a verbal attack. This seemed more of a bash than an article.
I love Bright Eyes, but I can also admit that I think he has flaws in his music (though not in his looks!) and writing.
Does anyone honestly think that what he writes, he writes to appeal others? Hi songs are so laden with meaning and feeling, that it's a surprise he feels comfortable enough to share them with his fans.

Bottom line is: If you don't like Bright Eyes, don't listen to him. If you want to talk about him, don't make it a personal attack. You don't know Conor so you can't make assumptions based just on his music.

.

my goodness, i hate whoever wrote this article.
and saddle creek is the best.
as well as conor's voice. at least he has feelings.

fuck yerself

get a fuckin life piece of shit

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your a fuckin douchbag

I love Conor

Conor is fucking Beautiful and writes great music i dont know what the fuck all you dumbass are talking about. You guys aer just jellus of what he has and everything about him theres nothing wrong with Conor Oberst if anything thats the probly thes to perfect. You all should be left to die somewhere for all that shit you say. Conor Oberst is so beautiful and i love him and hes gonna Marrie me and if you have a problem with him what the hell is posting messages gonna do it jsut makes you all look liek fucking retards. and if you have a problem with what i say and you have aim my sn is : tsrebo7

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do you want to fuck his brains out?

for conor

whats the big deal? when it was kurt cobain he was all the rage, and still is. the only difference is conor hasnt killed himself and can still speak his heart. thats the whole point of artist writting their music to tell their feelings . if your fucking sick of it dont listen to. simple as that matt!

fuck all yall

i didnt read any post but that fucker who said shit about conor in his little "sick of conor oberst" article can go fuck himself 20 times while i watch and beat my anus off til the hair on my cunty dirty fucky lips burn up yo peace and love to mom

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after i was conned by the critical praise heaped on 'lifted...' it's quite satisfying to have an article like this. i can print it out and read it as a sermon while i burn the CD on a little pyre. so teejayallbadly, i think it is you who is ignorant dumbfuck, yes! and tom sykes, i doff my cap, or i will when i get one.

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yeah, but although obviously we all respect that everyone has their own tastes and one man's pleasure is another man's poison live and let live and can't we all love each other etc etc, it's good to throw opinions at each other, else it's all a bit neutered. like if i sat next to you and went "booooeeeeeoooooeeeeeoooooeeeeeoooooeeeeoooooeee..." for a few minutes you'd probably tell me to shut the fuck up. i doubt you'd say "i'm not a fan of your unique brand of music, but i respect that you like it, can you please take it elsewhere." and so here we are with mr oberst, who has gradually got right on mr sykes' tits. and he got on mine too. he's a dreadful singer and i find his over-emoting embarassing like a toddler's tantrum. it's stunted in expression and the guy needs to execute some quality control. what's annoying is i can see he's a highly talented lyricist who has a way with melody, but he goes and fucks it up. that's how i was roped in, i heard 'bowl of oranges' and saw a few reviews and went for it. and i was more than a little disappointed. so hurray for tom sykes! especially since the piece was really quite amusing. let's get battling.

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sheesh, i've only just noticed that article was posted on 9th july. and look how it's sustained. mr sykes must be walking round with big smug grin i think.

i love him

umm yeah all of you need to shut up conor is amazing he has everything but he dosent want any og it. he is not conplaing and "wining" he is the most talented person i can think of. your all just jelouse i LOVE conor.

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Don't have much to say, Tom pretty much summed it up...but I do take this article as criticism to me and to everyone who celebrates great musicianship, lyrics, and ingenuity. I like his music, I can identify with it more than that made-for-mtv punk-pop shit that everyone loves so much nowadays. Conor's not a sellout like most bands...he does what he feels and doesn't care, or, in his words "I do not read the reviews. No, I am not doing this for you." You don't have to listen to him anyway so why waster your time complaining about him? Give the guy a break. Jenn.

it's obviously not your first language but...

English standards are low at schools these days, I see.

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And tastes, it seems....




ohhhh.....when will they introduce a "Decent Taste" A-level?? I guarantee the pass rates would be lower than most subjects!!!! :-P

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FOR CHRISSAKES!!!!

Can't we even bitch in peace????

teejayallbadly, you leave me no option but to hate you viciously.

I'm fed up of people wqho do the whole "oh you're so fucking narrow minded" thing whenever someone says an artist is crap. for fiuck's sakes....it was an article about NOT liking Conor Oberst, ok?!?!? so if you DO like him....you have two options.

1) Suggest to us why we should give him a second chance. suggest to us why you think we're mistaken in our judgements. Instead of just saying "oh you're so narrow minded" or "he's a prodigy" because WE'LL IGNORE YOU or FUCKING HATE YOU!

2) FUCK OFF, IGNORE THE ARTICLE AND LEAVE US TO BITCH IN PEACE!!!!

Let me ask you this....ever had a conversation with a friend about how much an artist SUCKS????? yeah????? well, i guarantee that if some stranger came up and said "oh look, you're being, like, sooooo narrow minded, you hate-filled ignoramuses, the guy's a prodigy" then you'd think they were a FLIPPIN' WANKER, right????? so now have a look at yourself, teejayallbadly.

if you don't like what's on this site then either ignore it, or try and persuade us properly.

fuckwit.

nerrr, nerr, ni-nerr-nerrr.

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wow, i cant believe how much ridiculous hatred you stupid fucks have. its unbelievable to me how you hate the guy so personally. as if he went out of his way to inflict some sort of pain on you. you have no arguement jester. let me say this clearer since you obviously cant understand normal english: i have no problem with the expression of thought towards someone's music...ITS when articles personally bash on the artist's style and talent. let tell you at least one thing that is true in this music business: there is room for everything. sure you can bitch about how his music sucks. i dont give a fuck. but when there are dumbasses out there like sykes who hate on artists just because they can, i just find it childish and irresponsible. i have no idea why you took this article so personally, jesta...this was in no way directed to you or "normal" haters of oberst. just the idiot who wrote the article. So please, take your own advice, and let me bitch in peace...or else, youre just another hypocrite, but arent we all.

ps: fuck you.

i agree with 'faithlesswondergirl'

you took the words out of my mouth. i agree completley.

point 1: how could you even think about saying that you hope conors friends told him to fuck off if he ever called them up talking about depression and suicide. do you do that to youyr friends? do you want them to kill themselves? what if somone did that to you? im sure that would make you get over it REAL fast.

2: you cant tell someone to get over something. you dont know what its like for them. when im depressed the last thing i want to hear is someone telling me to get over it or that my problems are insignificant or that i should be happy and listen to happy music. conors music has gotten me through many hard times and with out them i would probably be even more depressed.

3: dont attack someones personality when you dont know them. dont juge. its really fucking annoying.

4: do you really think conors high and mighty? have you LISTENED to his music? and yes he does have something to offer. to SOME people. maybe not you but dont make it sound like he's so horrible and no one should like him. people are different. people have different opions. like who you like. dont force who you like on others. im not saying "listen to conor you bastard" just letting you know i dont think hes crap. and honestly i dont know why i bother because this probably wont make a difference to anyone.

i mean, hey, you an have your own opinions but stop telling people that their opions arent valid. im going to listen to whatever the hell i want to and you can do the same. i think conor is a genious and his music and especially his lyrics are the reasons why bright eyes is my favorite band. im going to go listen to fevors and MEEEEEEEEEEERS now because i love conors beautiful WHINY voice!

Don't listen to it.

If you don't like it... Don't listen to it!

Lol it's THAT simple. I don't know what's most pathetic. A guy getting some of his feelings out (a guy who has a very beautiful way of playing with words I might add) or a guy whining about a guy who's whining.

If you don't like Connor's music or lyrics, then by all means don't listen to it. Nobody's forcing you.

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using phrases like "you stupid fucks" is indicative of far more hatred than most on this thread have expressed, even if you do a little back-shuffle further on.

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oh goddammit....just wrote a nice big rant......and accidentally went back a page and lost it all. wahey.

basicall, what i was saying was that.....you're trying to say that the guy was wrong to write the article in some way by saying he's childish etc, and you pretty much say that having a go at an artists style or talent is wrong. err....why?!?!? first of all, bitching on style is fiiiiine, you probably do it the whole time yourself, about popstars and punters alike. second, i think the point is it's *lack of* talent we're talking about here...

basically, he can write whatever the fuck he likes. if you've got a different opinin, then air it. if someone's got the facts worong, correct them. but please oh please don't try and claim that the *shouldn't* be writing such articles, as if they're breaking some moral code or something. And as for all the crap people like you come up with like "you're just jealous" or "your soo childish, man" or any of that kinda crap...it's all window-dressing. meaningless crap, designed to get around the fact that THEY JUST DON'T HOLD YOUR OPINIONS!!!!!

The guy can write what he likes, end of story. there's no 'right' way of writing the articles, there are no aspects of an artist you should avoid in discussion....you gonna try and stop us writing about people's haircuts next?!? don't deny us that luxury, please!!

maybe you think the guy's a dick for writing the article. Fine!! who cares?? doubt he cares bout your opinion. so just say "Hey! Shit article! You're a dickhead!"....don't try and say how *bad* and *wrong* it is to write that kinda article. Betcha you'd be happily cheering on the author if a near-identical article was written about someone you didnt like. but let's not start on the whole hypocite thing, yeah?!?! there's a vicious circle waiting to happen there. suffice to say, in the childish manner you've bestowed upon me...you started it!

oops...acidentally made this one longer than the first.

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this is going nowhere fast. you are right at least about that. fair enough. nothing frustrates me more than to see "bands" like good charlotte on mtv, for example...and how they are "on top" in their genre of music, while on the other hand seeing articles bashing on music with substance and passion. i think this was my point. i admit i got overzealous, but there is no way in hell im taking back certain things i said about mr. sykes. like you implied...he can say his about oberst...and i can say mine about him. maybe next time i'll be a little bit more civil about my opinions. "Hey! Shit article! You're a dickhead!"....nuff said. im over it. i just wonder if he has bashed on elliott smith like he did on oberst...and if thats the case, this guy sykes can go to hell. doesnt hurt to butt heads with fellow e-posters such as yourself, good times. i have nothing more to say on this subject. its way beyond stale.

so what?

Conor might be whining but he is doing it too damn well....

this is old, so what....

Tom probably wrote such a pathetic article so he could see people like me get empassioned over it but this article really enraged me, so here are my two cents...

So Tom, by the same token we should slash the paintings of Francis Bacon and burn the works of Poe because they plumb the depths of emotion and are too macabre/violent/depressing? Just by the fact Oberst can evoke such images makes him a fine lyricist. Whether YOU engage in his music is your choice but it PISSES ME OFF that by reading this excuse for journalism someone may be put off from discovering him.

Oberst said himself he finds a catharsis in writing and it is carthartic for many poeple to listen to it. As someone mentioned before Oberst is the Dylan of our generation but this will probably not be written in stone until he is six feet under (see Nick Drake, the late Elliot Smith etc). Fittingly, Dylan has in the past been accused of being whiney and grating in vocal style. It is just personal taste but there is no doubting his lyrical beauty and genius.

On a more personal note, I just hope for his family's sake that the author and anyone else with the same lack of compassion and understanding do not in the future get clinical depression if his 'friends' in the world he lives in would reject him and leave him to suffer on his own. It is because of ignorant fucks like you that depression still has a stigma attached to it. It is not a state of mind, it is a biological condition.

and, yes, i do like Mclusky. sorry to confuse you.

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Dylan, Bacon, Poe... Oberst...

hmmm.

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I was merely using two of the most famous names from the literary and art world that are representative of melancholia and that you lovely people will have heard of. 'tis all.

If you look at the early work of Dylan, it further confirms the fact that Oberst is on the same road. He is only going to flourish as a lyricist and story-teller. Provided he stays on this earth a liitle longer and has stronger and more supportive friends than the authors.

Haha.

You know, the fact that Conors work can produce such anger in a person shows that he's doing something right.

Great art provokes reaction. If you didn't care about what the guy did, they you'd probably have the right to start calling him shit.

Oh and what a shoddy article. You have to learn to be somewhat neutral and constructive in your writing, otherwise you just sound like a desperate drunk hurling abuse on a street corner.

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Great art provokes reaction - true. The converse however, doesn't hold. If I called you a dickhead it would probably provoke a reaction, but would that make it great art?

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that's different though because it relates to all sorts like personal insecurity etc.
and also it depends how you said it
French accents help

You are a fucking idiot.

You are a fucking idiot. You say that Conor just bitches and wines about lost love, but what are you doing? Bitching and wining you fuck. You should really get a life, at least Conor is making money while your loser ass is sitting at home typing up this big long article, hell it's not even an article b/c it's such a piece or shit. God forbid someone write songs about breaking up with their girlfriend, that's the whole point of variety of music, you don't have to like it but respect it dumb fuck and then maybe people will respect you for what you like. We're not all like you and i'm sure most of us wouldn't want to be you.

. . .

if you hate conor so much, why write about him. why worry about what hes doing. why care.

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hating is caring

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you fools who criticize emotion are the reason that this concrete continent is such a fucking mess of dehumanizing machinery. im sad because of you.

eat shit

if you dont like it dont listen to it,
and as a matter of fact you should know that your a million times more anoying than any music 've ever heard
and ive heard smashmouth before , oh im sorry you probally like smashmouth.

ok your more annoying than...than...uh...a justin timberlake cover band called justin timberiver.

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Jeez... look at all the overreactions to my lighthearted post of several months ago.

If you genuinely like the guy then fair enough... I just found the article amusing in a bitchy sort of way.

As for my views on bright eyes being 'the reason that this concrete continent is such a fucking mess of dehumanizing machinery'... get a fucking grip. I have no issue with emotion... infact theres a lot of emotional music I love. It just doesn't happen to be described as 'emo'. urgh. Bright eyes emotion makes me cringe because it seems fake, overdone, whiny, and that stops it having a genuine emotional impact for me. I can't get beyond the irritation of his vocal style. Its a personal thing. When emotion comes in more subtle and genuine forms I find it a lot more effective.

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the (only) problem i have with this article is that it can basically be summarised as thus: "i don't like bright eyes because his songs are sad." if you want to tear the guy limb-from-limb, that's fine. it just seems that the criticisms are neither particularly new, nor insightful. in which case, it's not really something that people should get too uptight about...

You're whining about someone's whining

just the way you felt the need to angrily bash Conor's talent, I guess he feels the need to write the music he writes. just like you had to get your dislike of Bright Eyes off your chest, he has to get whatever pains or bothers him off his chest, and in the same way i guess i felt the need to respond to your article. Granted, he isnt the best songwriter on earth, and at times he really flops through a song or two on album, but he is sincere and truthful and i think pretty damn good at times.

also, you said it's ok to write those songs for oneself but not to present them to the world...well if the world doesnt like them then the world has the option of not buying into it....but lots of people are buying into it, so good for them and good for Conor. He owes it to himself to be honest and do what he loves, and that is just what he is apparently doing...there are always gonna be people who hate you no matter who you are or what you do, that is no reason to stop or hide.

nice

dude my ex is inlove with bright eyes and all i have to say to you man is thank you... amen amen

you fucking rule!

hmm..

Conor is a fucking genious.
He is brilliant.

and

you're whining about someone whining about someone whining.

Am I know whining about whining about someone whining about someone whining?

not sick of emotions

look, music is the espression of ones feelings. if you dont relate to the feelings he has then dont listen to it. but his music is fuking brilliant. Anyone who can focus on his emotions that way and form them in a way that others can feel it as well is sheer genius. he is making music, expressing himself and the way he feels, if it makes you too sad to realize the full spectrum of emotions everyone is capable of feeling then listen to Good Charolette sing a song about girls boys cars and money. Music in its purest form is expression of self. There is too much vanilla flavored music (everything on the radio) that doesnt bring up any emotion. Its refreshing to hear something so powerful and moving. Plus its not wallowing, anyone who writes knows that it is simply a way of getting problems out that otherwise would stay inside and fester. Getting them out is like getting rid of an infection. Anyways, no will read this because everyone only respects their own opinion and everyone elses is wrong. So keep listening to the radio and all the other corporate crap that hinders emotional growth. Maybe one day you too can becoem a back street boy of rock like Blink has turned out to be and everyone will love you. Fuck off. Hey if actually read this hit me up shadowknows34@yahoo.com

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Oh my god...seriously if you dont like the music DON'T listen to it!...Conor Oberst, is a fucking genious, and his lyrics are amazing.

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Haha...despite the fact that I still like Bright Eyes this made me laugh. Way to go :)

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i think whoever wrote this is a complete mother fucker and needs to stop pulling shit out of his ass.
i hope you choke on all your bullshit.
mayb you should research and form a coherant opinion next time you cunt.

what the fuck?


if you really want to bitch about a whiny bastard, then please, for the love of god, bitch about CHRIS CARRABBA of Dashboard Confessional. I guarantee he is much more of a pain in the ass than Conor is.

We should be thankful that such a young person can write about such emotion like that. It defies stereotypes of teenagers. He is an amazing individual.

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He vitually got gang raped in a review by MOJO, and dito for the Dis. I dont know he might be good, I have never heard him. But people love to kick punch, thats just life unfortunatly.

If you like him just be happy with that. If not what are you the thought police?

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seriously...this is SO icnredibly over the top american.

I like Conor, some don't, good for them.
He isn't the next mozart, that's for sure, but he is a good artist.

Deal with it.

*yawn*

you talk about how he does nothing but whine..... but its funny how by the middle of your "article" i was already sick of fucking hearing about it..... did you do this to provoke an audience or did you just think that at one point in time someone would actually give a fuck about what you thought..... there are FAR more people who deserve slamming more than semi-famous Connor Oberst... including yourself.... but youre prolly too much of an "anti-poser" to even begin to listen to music outside of your local college station.... dood... get a life.... or does that entitle you being a whiny bitch about something that you have no control what-so-ever over..... you're a moron..... oh yeh.... im a male.... and im not gay..... so i guess that rules out your options on trying to come back and school me

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"and im not gay"

Thanks for letting us know

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good job

One thing that's worse than you

nothing you FUCK!

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dude, ur whiny bitch

Sick Of It All

what the author doesn't realize is that art is a derivative of what we have in our lives. do you know how many songs i've written from the same girl? easily dozens. you're complaining about something you don't understand. the same mentallity is shared by religious extremists and racist hicks.

you should think before you open your pie hole on account of the obvious truth that you deny this guy's ability to write a damn good song. have you read the lyrics? nah, you'd rather just piss on em and jam out to the latest metallica track.

-Ex

p.s. i too am male and of the femail diggin persuasion... does it burn?

tamuritzalingua

they've been spraying us with chemicals in our sleep
us / they
something about the mosquitoes having some kind of disease
them / me
CIA foul play
if you ask the guy selling hair dryers out of a gym bag
chemical warfare
"i'm telling you, lab rat to lab rat," he says, "that's where the truth
is at"
that's where the truth is at
that's where the truth is at

and everything seems to have gone terribly wrong that can
but one breath at a time is an acceptable plan
she tells herself
and the air is still there
and this morning it's even breathable
and for a second the relief is unbelievable
and she's a heavy sack of flour sifted
her burden lifted
she's full of clean wind for one lean moment
and then she's trapped again
reverted
caged and contorted
with no way to get free
and she's getting plenty of little kisses
but nobody's slippin' her the key

her whole life is a long list of what ifs
and she doesn't even know where to begin
and the pageantry of suffering therein
rivals television
tv is, after all, the modern day roman coliseum
human devastation as mass entertainment
and now millions sit jeering
collectively cheering
the bloodthirsty hierarchy of the patriarchal arrangement

she is hailing a cab
she is sailing down the avenue
she's 19 going on 30
or maybe she's really 30 now ...
it's hard to say
it's hard to keep up with time once it's on its way

and, you know, she never had much of a chance
born into a family built like an avalanche
and somewhere in the 80s between the oat bran and the ozone
she started to figure out things like why
one eye pointed upwards looking for the holes in the sky
one eye on the little flashing red light
a picasso face twisted and listing down the canvas
of the end of an endless night

10 9 8 seven six 5 4 three 2 one
and kerplooey
you're done.
you're done for.
you're done for good.
so tell me
did you?
did you do?
did you do all you could?

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Conor has TONS of talent.and you say that in"fevers and mirrors" he is trying to say its all an act?WHAT?no he dosn't say that..he was being SARCASTIC.that whole thing was about just screwing with the guy he was tlaking about say stuff like "i love to get attention.." then when the guy says,"so you're doing this all for attention?" and he says back,"no,i hate when people look at me it makes me sick..i hate attention" so yeah he has a TON of talent and bright eyes is realy good.regardless of what your whine and say about him,seems like you guys whine more about him then he dose about anything

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Consider the following description:

Intensely emotional. Manically depressed. Overwhelmed by the things that he is afraid of and mocked by the contemporary majority. He expresses himself in a manner many of us can only wish we were able to, and it results in art that fuels immense debate. Some love it, some hate it. Few understand it, and even fewer understand its creator. Some will never witness it (these people should be considered less fortunate than those that like OR dislike it).

I could be talking about Beethoven and his music.

I could be talking about Van Gogh and his paintings.

I could be talking about Byron and his poetry.

I could be talking about Conor Oberst's songs.

I could be talking absolute bollocks.

Those who agree with the latter may prefer this one:

A whining little prick feels a little negative emotion and decides to broadcast it to the world as if he has some kind of divine right to inflict that negative emotion on to everybody else...

Am I talking about Conor Oberst, or am I talking about Tom Sykes and the rest of the hypocrites on this thread? Can you tell? Or have you got your heads so far up your own asses that your ears are full of shit and you can't hear anything other than your own self-righteous opinions that you are somehow pretentious enough to believe warrant this kind of exposure? Just look at the responses this article has resulted in. Arguments, bitching, an immense amount of hate-mongering (for which I'm sure you're all proud). But at the end of the day you have to be a special kind of hypocrite to rally this many people together to do fuck all but whinge about the things that you despise when the one thing you seem to despise the most is a person who whinges about the things that he despises.

As if that's not enough, there are people like Jesta here who think they should be left to 'bitch in peace' (3rd Nov, 04:04). Apparently if we like Bright Eyes we have two options - 1: Suggest why they should give Conor a second chance, or 2: Fuck off and leave them to bitch in peace. WELL, how's about THIS Jesta; those of you who don't like Bright Eyes have two options - you can either put up with the fact that we have as great a right to defend him as you have to slate him, or you can FUCK OFF AND LET HIM BITCH IN PEACE!!!

Just consider for one minute (or as long as your attention span can manage), that art is art. Plain and simple. Your opinion of it is NEVER a reflection of the quality of that art, regardless of the medium. It is a reflection of you as a person. That is the POINT of art; self-discovery, finding something that you can relate to. Some things you like, some things you don't, but you are never fully qualified to judge its quality because you cannot possibly be objective. Why? BECAUSE IT'S ART, THAT'S WHY!!! It's sole role in our lives is to captivate us emotionally. Are you seriously arrogant enough to suggest that if it doesn't captivate YOU then it's not good enough to warrant publication? The simple fact that so many people on this thread have been angered by your narrow-minded comments proves that you are, without a doubt, very, very wrong. Conor is an awesome artist. I'm delighted to have discovered his music because I personally feel a connection with it that I don't get from any other artist. And just because I like it more than anything else, I'm not stupid enough to believe that makes it better than everything else. Likewise the fact that you don't like it does not mean it is worse than everything else that you do like. If that really is what you think, then you really need to get over yourself.

How much proof do we need

It's disappointing when you read interviews and you find out that he [Conor Oberst] perhaps tried to overemphasize the "pain" and "longing" and "desire", whatever else he wrote so eloquently about. But in many ways, it's all still so real because no matter how much we do not want to admit it, we all go through first-loves, lost-loves, depressing, nonsensical times, mood swings, pills, drinking, wanting and seeking attention, recognition...anyone could parallel the stuff he writes about with their own life, depending on how old you are, except to a lesser degree, it's not as dramatic or intense for most of us and even if it was, could we write about it in such a way that would display such drama and movement...like he does? We're all so different, some of us more sensitive than others and that is pretty much the bottom line. Some of us can write in ways that either disrupt a reader/listener or make a reader/listener relate and seek such bizarre solace in a lyric because it seems as if someone else went through it. I dunno.....he's a showboat, I'll bet he loves money and sex a lot. Or maybe everything is wrong. Who knows if we'll ever know.

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What is wrong with you? First of all, you have no life if you spend your free time going to sites of bands you hate and posting (multiple) long annoying comments about how much you hate them. Second off, you much be a total insecure person to go and insult someone you've never met and probably don't know much about. You're just saying all this shit about this guy and how he is such a "sad indie man" whose music depresses people, which it does not. Have you ever heard the song "Bowl of Oranges"??? It's a highly inspirational song about how we must love each other. Might I also ad that on an interview on a track on "Fevers and Mirrors" he mentions that his songs are not only about HIS experiences, but others too. Maybe you shouldn't target him so much, why don't you go and express all your anger on his friends then too? And you say that his lyrics are just spreading sadness? I'm sure you're much better, spreading all this hate and anger, the wonderful person you are!

A question to you, fantastic_tom, how many songs have you actually heard by bright eyes before basing your biased opinions on them? His songs are beautiful and poetic, and I'm sure that anything he creates is much more exquisite than any shit you come out with. I can't wait until everyone rejects you for the arrogant person that you are and you become more depressed than this person that you hate so much for his creativity.

And just on a last note I would like to say that I am not attracted to him in any way, in fact, it's quite the opposite. So don't just say that all his female fans are only his fans because of his appearance.

Have a nice day, loser

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I can believe this line of bull. Have you people EVER heard of Edgar Allen Poe or Emily Dickens? Obviously not, or you would understand this mortal prodigy, Coner Oberst. Is it so wrong to express one's feelings in a world where there are none left? Maybe if people listened to the obvious he wouldn't be "whining", or so you call it. In fact, maybe no one would whine, drink, smoke, laugh, cry, or complain if we could just ignore everything altogether and wrap it into a neat little box and store it away during the winter. Then, hell, we'd have no need for music! Why not just throw it all away! I'll tell you why, because then none of us would exist! I, for one, think he's an inspiration and I will challenge everyone who says differently, a great wake up call for this crazed conformist society which expects everyone to smile and make it through okay. Maybe YOU should stop "whining" about Oberst.

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you do know that this article will eventually be the cause of a full scale war in the world between the bright eyes fans, and the haters? It will be great, there will be a load of emo kids(myself included most likely) against... everyone else...

i can bet E4 will buy the viewing rights to it. Or maybe even Sky! yay!

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I know its fucking great that the only thing that gets people going on this site it when someone takes a right slating. Odd really cos people dont seem to waste the same effort biging people up...oh I forgot this is not the NME web site!

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I find this article vaguely amusing. It does hit it's target, at it obviously bothers so many Bright Eyes fans.

I love Bright Eyes and I love Conor Oberst. But I think that everyone is taking themselves just a little bit too seriously.

The author of this piece has a right to his opinion (ie- hating Bright Eyes) as much as I have a right to mine (ie- loving Bright Eyes). I don't really understand this impulse to leap to the defense of the band by flaming the author. It won't change the author's opinion, it won't help Conor Oberst, it makes you look dumb... Why bother?

Don't get worked up. Understand that the author does have some interesting points- though not remotely well written or rationally expressed- about the excess and pretentiousness of 'emo' .

But meh. I like emo. I like Bright Eyes. Don't get your knickers in a twist. =)

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What have you ever made? Was it any good, like young lovers do? The nice thing about excess is that you get your fill and then turn it off. The problem with most everyone is an empty tank. Let it go, let it go--people don't die from excess; or, if they do, at least they did, once.

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damn dude, you need to get a fucking life. Bright Eyes is one of the best bands ever to emerge from the states, or anywhere for that matter.why not spend your time getting drunk at the 7-11 across the street from your house, thinking that your facist opinion is better than all the MILLIONS of fans that Bright Eyes have accquired. drive around in your pickup truck like all the other arrogant, ignorant little bastards that have nothing else to do besides bash on poetry. You remind me of a certain flame of anger that burns within all of us, some will choose to take out the anger in an idiotic and destructive manner(like yourself) and some, like most Conor Oberst and Bright Eyes fans, will turn that flame of anger into something beautiful and poetic. Something productive and energetic. So, in other words, leave us alone and fuck off.

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I figure you're titled to your opinion. However, I think opinion stops at saying that you dislike the music...but when you tell people not to listen to it because it depresses them, that kind of goes past opinion. That crosses right into "high and mighty", as you described Conor Oberst. Seems kind of hypocritical. I've listened to Bright Eyes for years and not once has it gotten me down. It actually lifts me up...and as for the encouraging teens to drink thing...That's jsut ridiculous. A sip of alcohol has never touched my lips. I, personally, love Bright Eyes. Conor writes creative lyrics and some of the most inventive music I've ever heard. I don't even listen to emo...ever...but many of Bright Eyes songs have some relevance, it's not all just prattling on about some girl, like Dashboard Confessional(whom I hate). And even when it is an "emo" song, it's written extremely well. What's so bad about expressing emotion through music. Isn't that one of its main purposes? Overall though...an entertaining article. Swell job.

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ok i totally agree with the fact this these people are fucking lame. i hope you all fucking die. this man is a genious and for you to put him down...i ask why? because youre so used to your shitty ass music. well fuck you

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I havn't heard any bright eyes (that I know of), and I've only heard on Desparacido's song (The Happiest Place on Earth), so I can't make a valid opinion about the music, but I would like to say that if Tom Sykes continues to listen to Conor Oberst then he makes his point useless, because apparently, he is continuing to listen to their music, whether he likes it or not. Otherwise, he has not listened enough to their music, and his rant (he has not actually shown an opinion here, just bitched about something that doesn't fit in his perfect world) is a complete waste of space on the server, as it doesn't properly have the evidence to back it as it should.

And seriously, how can you ask someone to not be so angry, then tell them to fuck off... that just doesn't make sense...

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shut the fuck up

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I agree. Let people listen to what interests them. If they want to wallow then let them. Quit trying to convert people like music is some kind of religion.

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Beautifully worded.

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Conor Oberst is very very talented person. He is the best guitarist, singer, and the best *writer* ever. He wrote what my heart could never say. I'm sick and tired of all these stupid ass people saying that hes an "emo whiner" thats fucking bullshit.. emo means emotional and every sort of music has some emotion put into it.. Who cares if some of his music is about girls and break ups?.. at least he has the guts to sing about it and express his feelings in some form.. all you angry fuckfaces should shut the fuck up.. at least conor isn't at a site writing about how he hates people for no good reason and actually has a life and is doing something with it.. put your face in the dirt and then finally see the sky that has been avoiding you.. yeah maybe if you actually understood his beautiful lyrics it could actually help you and you could look beyond his voice that isn't a pop icon and what american idle wants it to be.. Conor has changed enough people's life by his music than you ever will so go burn your face motherfuckers

bastard

you have no idea what you are talking about. if that is all that you see in his lyrics then you don't know what real music is. bastard.

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I really can't believe someone could be such a cunt as to write that!! Even if you don't like someones music it doesn't mean you can insult them personally, having never met them!!
Some people say conor oberst's music is over the top, fair enough, i can se why you would think that. But a lot of people like it, so deal with it. Not everyone likes the same things, thankfully.

Re: bastard

"I really can't believe someone could be such a cunt"

you've met the writer then?

Re: bastard

fair enough. people can have there own opinion on music. but there was no need for all those comments. lets just say i don't agree with them. ohhhhhh well, it just seemed like the person didn't really put much thought into it what they wrote.

Re: bastard

fair enough shadyadie, i didnt put a lot of thought into that comment. i'm not really trying to personally insult the writer, but i don't think his comments reflect well on him. The whole article is very insulting and i don't think he is really in a position to personally attack a singer based on his music, that's all.

Another thing, he accuses oberst of being a 'shoegazer', i saw a clip of bright eyes live and he seemed like a very dynamic frontman. Not boring at all.

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I really don't think that was necessary, most people sing to release their feelings. Which is exactly what he's doing, not a crime or anything. I think you've missed the point.

"I do not read the reviews. No, I am not singing for you."

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The great thing about all of this is that Conor really doesn't care what any of you think.

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THANK YOU. My god, it's one thing to have an opinion, but when you're being bloody hypocritical about it that's enough. Music is SUPPOSED to move you, to make you cry and weep and all that shite. If you don't like it, you can go off and listen to happy, sappy, pretentious pop music. It seems to suit you, after all.

Let's break it down:

1. You hate Conor Oberst because his lyrics are tragic
2. You hate him because...BECAUSE HE"S FAMOUS AND YOU"RE NOT AND BECAUSE YOU'RE A BITTER LITTLE ARSE WHO WANTS ATTENTION.

Did you post this site to ridicule Conor, or because you knew he fans would respond vehemtly, and so you could go off and feel important? Do you like feeling so hated, because that way you can pretend that we all care what you think? What are you, some sort of twisted conformist? Conor is an individual who expresses music in a way that's obviously too in-depth for your little mind to comprehend. Or, I could be wrong. Maybe you're really just crying out for attention, and posing it off as an attack on Conor. Who were you writing about, really, him or yourself? And you might whine and pout, and tell me that I'm just a stupid bitch, or that I'm going to hell in a handbasket or whatever. but hey, that's just your opinion.

And this is my opinion, you stupid, whiny little fop.

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thank you so much...i was reading this post, and i was getting more and more pissed by the minute, and i was on the verg of writing an angry reply to the bastard that wrote this, then i read your reply and found everything i wanted to tell him...THANK YOU...conor is a beautiful, sexy, beast, with an enormous amount of talent...plus, i really dont see the bastard that posted the initial post producing any records and being successful...

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That was hilarious. I agree that conor can be a whiney cunt, and I love it. I like to cry with the music & chuckle at it. good stuff, he is talented. People, dont take it seriously. Noone else really gives a shit.
-- 17 year old girl not restricted to indie lovin'.

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i like conor and bright eyes.great art comes out of great pain hehe!

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you know what.. you suck too. you dun effin know conor. so you dun like emo music? that dun mean you have to be an ignorant ass about the whole thing. conor has had it tough. and this is music that people can relate to. you said yourself, pain sucks.. yes, it does. so music normal people can relate to helps deal with pain. he's a smart guy. he's a great song write, and singer. he is full of emotion, that's what people need. us depressed emo kids need real people we can relate to. so fuck you if you're so misunderstanding about the whole thing. no one likes you either. just because it's not your choice of music. dun mean you have to be like this about it. it's one of those things you wouldn't understand unless you've been there. but you're not even willing to try. you're complaing about someone complaing about everything. he isn't whining about it, he's singing about it. helping people, this is the best therapy anyone could ask for. i'd love to see you do better then him

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I won't bother getting the red pen out.
This article has been winding people up for ages.
Top work.

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fucka
conor oberst is awesome
saddle creek is awesome

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I fucking agree with this guy you guys are all reatards conor oberst is awesome...maybe if you took the time to actually listen to the lyrics of the songs you'd discover a deeper meaning . He's great plus hes sexy so eat a dick.

Re: fuck all yall

YHBT. YHL. HAND.

Sick Of People Being Sick Of Conor Oberst

ha ha ha ha ha
people can whine about what they want, music would be boring if the whining just came from being beaten in a concentration camp. if something petty is where conor pulls his inspiration from, then let him, he's obviously doing something impressive here, as its not just 16 year old girls but anywhere from 20 to 40 year old adults attending the sold out shows.

AMAZING. JERKS.

Conor Oberst is completely amazing.

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i think my ex boyfriend is going to turn into conor oberst when he grows up.

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Good Article. Too bad you basically became what you wrote about. A whiney little bitch. It is pretty sad that you actually care about why "Emo Kids" moan and whine. You would think someone with decent writing talent, would actually write about something decent. There will always be critics, but to be a hypocritical one, you might as well take off your studded belt and hang yourself with it. Haha, you examined the lyrics waaaay too hard there pal. Put down your thesaurus and get a girlfriend.

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ok. That's your oppinion. And I'm sure you're the only one who thinks so. What's with the hating thoughts? You write "fuck" like a thousand times in yer "so-called-article".. And why won't you just lay off, and let people listen to what they want! It's a free country. ain't it? You say that "..listening to Bright Eyes turns you into a whiny little vodka-drinking cunt, and .." Maybe that's you. It's not the same for every person you know. When I'm feeling sad, I put on "Haligh . haøigh, a lie, haligh" and that song really cheers me up.
So, stop being a hating bastard, and think before you write it ALL down.

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Thank god someone said it. I got sucked in too--at first. He is whining all the way to the bank. What a tortured life, on tour all the time, big rock star. Oh DO ME Conor when we are drunk, I could show you a few more things than the 16 year olds and then I would hope we could "still be friends." Thanks too, for leading the way for an epidemic of posers throughout our great Nation. Now I am going back to my sorry little life to cry, wallow in misery and wish I were dead. Have a good day, S.

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from the emo name i was sure that this was another defence of Conor. but, no. another fair criticism, although a little wallowing now and again can do us all some good.

and, on that bombshell: im off to drink red wine, out of the bottle. sideways.

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my friend just watched in amusement as we read all that and commented you all seem illeterate. i thinks hes great and lots of my friends agre but when i come across one who doesnt i put something else on. simple really

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First and foremost: Bashing on Nebraska is definately not neccesarily. Making comments like "we should be glad he's good at anything at all, being from the middle of nowhere like that" or whatever is ignorant. Obviously you haven't ever been to Nebraska, because there is more than just corn and cows here. There are actually (GASP) cities! I know, shocking, no? But I digress.

While I'll admit to basically worshipping Conor as a God, I'm not going to get all pissy at you about it. And here's why. I CAN LAUGH AT MYSELF. Yes, you have a point, he's sad all the time, more than a little whiney, and no one should care as much about his problems as they do. Also, he can't hold a note worth shit and his voice cracks could shatter glass. BUT THAT ISN'T THE POINT. The point is the raw emotion and poetry that comes from the music. You don't have to agree or like it, I won't try and convince you to. But you have to admit, Oberst has a lot more talent than most of the bands they play on radio. Seriously, couldn't we all stop hating on Conor, a man who, while lacking in vocal talents, obviously more than makes up for it in lyrical ability. (Remember: It's not if you think the topics of his songs are whiney and insipid, it's the language that he uses to describe it. You must admit at least that is good.) and start bashing on Justin Timberlake who can't sing OR write music?

Finally, don't lump all of Saddle Creek in with Bright Eyes. I happen to love Bright Eyes, but if you don't, that doesn't mean you'll hate all of Saddle Creek. Listen to one song by Bright Eyes, on by Rilo Kiley, one by Cursive, and one by The Faint and THEN tell me that they all sound the same. They don't.

Sick Of Conor Oberst

it truly makes me really sad that someone would degrade and belittle something so pure and passionate as emotions. maybe you dont personally feel these emotions , and thats ok.. but maybe that makes you believe that they arent true or credible, but just because you dont feel something doesnt mean others dont. and im also not saying that its not ok to not like him or that its not ok to have your own opinion, i just feel like you are telling us to get over our 'self pitying' and such, which is the truest part of ourselves. and if that is what is true to you, how can you ever really 'get over it'?

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I think he sucks.

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That's someone's artwork you're bashing hatefully. Whether or not you like it is irrelivant. No one should give a shit. I guess they do so...

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From reading the article, and the comments by both sides of the arguement, I have come to the following conclusions.


Conclusion A: Nobody Cares About Anybody. It's apparent, because people seem to continually say "nobody cares about you" and "nobody cares about your opinion". It's sad, but I'm going to say it's true, as nobody will care that I have written this response anyway.

Conclusion B: Everyone whines. No matter what, you will whine, no matter how hard you try not to, you will. So give it up. The guy who wrote the article, amidst his comments, ended up whining. Well over half these respones, minus the intelligent ones, are whiny. So the truth is everyone whines. It's like trying to tell people you never cry, or you're not afraid of anything.

Conclusion C: Some people like Conor Oberst, some people are neutral towards Conor Oberst, Some people hate Conor Oberst. Please look back to conclusion A to figure out about how much this matters.

Conclusion D: Everyone hates everyone. Despite the people who have similar opinions, the truth is that everyone hates everyone else here. If you didn't hate them then you wouldn't waste your time with this shit. As join_in put "no one should give a shit". But for some reason people feel the need to tell other people that they "are ignorant bastards", "whiny emo kids", "fags" or they "suck cok".

Conclusion E (The Big Point): THIS ARGUEMENT IS FUCKING STUPID. Stop wasting your time defending or degrading an artist who could give a shit either way. What the fuck do you think you're accomplishing by sitting around shooting off opinions at eachother, thinking that the other person will somehow magically bow to your thoughts? Find some fucking better things to argue about than the credibility of Conor Oberst's music. Because ultimately, it will get you nowhere, no one is going to believe you, no one is going to agree, so fucking give it up.

Like what you want, listen to what you want. Stop fucking wasting time when someone doesn't like the same things you do. Because, I know this may suprise you, but we're all different people.

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wot do u know,
u learn sumin everyday...
i think people that spend hours on one argument r sad!

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Have you missed the irony of writing a huge, long piece on the stupidity of people who go to great lengths to get their opinion across? I think you may have....

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The post isn't about the stupidity of people who go to great lengths to argue their opinions. The post is about the futility of people arguing their musical opinions, and how fucking stupid that kind of arguement is, because it never goes anywhere.

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no one said you have to listen to Conor, so don't and quit complaining. if you hate him so much why'd you even waste your time writing this? you're not changing anyones mind about him that likes him. wow..

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first of all...he does have the right to write any music he wants, whether its just complaining and full of derpressing images...
Rap artists these days use bad language so often maybe they should all be taken off the radio...but rappers like eminem aren't being taken off, they're just getting more popular...so i suppose if vulgar music like that can be promoted then it is only fair to allow every musician to create whatever music they want.
And you can say he shouldn't allow his music to enter the public...but you can say that about any other music as well...every musician has the right to distribute his music as he wishes...and if he's not good enough obviously he will fail...but Oberst is clearly talented, and is able to connect with his audiences, despite a somewhat shaky voice and whatever other shortcomings you ranted about earlier...but somehow his music has become widespread and popular so it seems that he has been successful...and he really isn't interested in the commercial aspect of the music industry...and he should be applauded for not selling out like so many other artists have...he has actually criticized the commercial artists and Clear Channel for the destruction of indie music and promotion of the punk pop bands like good charlotte and shit like that...
If he wants to write songs about how sad he is then let him...those are his feelings and thoughts and if thats how he wants to express them then that's fine...and if people want to listen to "depressing" music then that's fine too...
The bottom line is he is a talented musician...maybe he is a whiney, negative emo boy...and maybe he isn't the most talented musician vocally...but he is an incredible lyricist, although you may not care for his subjects, and he is talented instrumentalist...
And if you don't like that it is slowly filtering into the mainstream music cycle...then don't listen to it...i know you claim that's not possible...but i think you're wrong...
just like when some stupid eminem shit comes on...i change the station...simple as that...
so tom sykes...if you don't like it then don't listen to it...and just allow others who respect and enjoy the music to continue to do just that!

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i think it is his vocal style that make the music genuine...his shouts, whispers, and trembling all seem to convey the true emotional connection he has in each song...

if you don't like the way he sings then fair enough...
but to claim his music isn't heartfelt and genuine seems completely irrational...


And what music do you find a more subtle and genuine form of emotion...??
i'm curious...
i don't think there's much more sincerity than in Oberst's songs...

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You people can fuck off. People are allowed expressing their opinion and if you can't learn that then you are ignorant. Popularity doesn't matter. Some people have a lot to learn.
Rock on Conor Oberst! \m/
These people are fuck-offs.

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YOU ARE SO fucking stupid. Conor oberst is the single most talented poet on the face of this earth!!!!!! His lauguage is so

BEATIFUL AND DEEP. whoever wrote this article should just

keep their opion to themselves..conor oberst dosnt need to be criticized by some loser. Conor Oberst rocks. He is so

wonderful and you dont understand. Open your eyes loser.

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i have never heard conor oberst or his ilk. but reading the article above kind of made me feel a bit queeesy, filled as it was with bollocks about giving the suicidal a slap
YOU
FUCKING
IGNORANT
TWAT

sadly, you see, the depressed are beyond the slap the happy want to give. that's why it's not 'just' sadness. and i've read my fair share of shit teenage poetry- i've written my fair share of shit teenage poetry. but are we saying the people who most need to expulge feeling shouldn't?

er
perhaps
we need
to rethink?

*clanging sound of jaw-dropped journalist*

WILL NEVER BE Sick Of Conor Oberst

this is my advice to Tom and everyone else out there who say they dont like conors music... If conors music isnt your thing (which i personally cant understand) then thats up to you... but you dont have to write some half-hearted repetitive article to "broadcast to the world" you yourself need to take a long hard look at your attitude and stop criticizing people who have more talent than you could claim or even envision. Conor writes what he feels and that is not a crime... You clearly do not know how to express your feelings other than through the use of violent words. I personally have no respect for you... but thats just my opinion. I think i speak on behalf of all of conors fans when i say that you all need to grow up. If you hate someone you dont even know so much, then so be it, but keep it to yourself. One day someone may write something like that about your efforts to express yourself and you will be disappointed. You say conor is insecure, but for you to write something like that about someone is really quite insecure aswell. Overall, if you dont have anything positive to say about someone, then dont say it at all. CONOR YOU ROCK MY WORLD!!!!! Love always and forever, Nathalie xox.

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You wrote:

<< Overall, if you dont have anything positive to say about someone, then dont say it at all. >>

Sadly, saying things which aren't always positive is part and parcel of music criticism.

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This thread has killed me...

the first post was one of the funniest things I've read in ages, but then, I also think that Bright Eyes is gifted -
and in terms of honesty in his music and lyrics - it's honest in a 'loneliness of the long distance runner' kind of honesty, and it means a lot to some and nothing to others...no art is universal, neither is the way in which we appreciate it, therefore, anyone's opinion counts in some way.

And now in danger of contradicting myself...

People, yes, he is attractive, but if you base your entire 'pro-Conor' argument around the fact that he's a pretty indie boy, it kind of invalidates the argument, or at least makes it easier for people to laugh at you or ignore you.

And I saw him live last week - he smiled through most of the show.

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I think it's great that you have your own opinion.
I don't think it's great that you voice it the way you do.
Many people, including myself think that whiney shit, well, is whiney shit and is quite annoying. I used to be a big fan of it, until I realized it was all the same and I found it to do nothing but make me sad. So I stopped listening to it. The only band I will listen to that people somtimes group w/ the 'emo' genre (which I find rediculous), is Bright Eyes. I don't find them emo, though, and I enjoy them very much.
But that is all besides the point here.
Opinions are fine. And I don't know you, but your first impression gives me a feeling that you are very close minded. I do not mean this to be offending. I am just stating my own opinion. Can you honestly sit there and say you have never been heart-broken? Or sad? Or wanting to die? Because if you can honestly say that, or honestly think that, I believe that you have missed out on life. Who can imagine life as just happiness and joy, and find it interesting? I, for one, can not.
I believe Conor Oberst is talented, and there are few of those people in the world who can share their talent. He writes his songs on the things in life that everyone experiences. Or at least most. If you can not honestly find one song that you listen to by Conor Oberst that you find your own memory within, all I can tell you is that you are not living. That you must be perfect.
And if you are perfect, I feel very sorry for you.

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You're not a good writer at all... though you make it perfectly clear that you hate Conor's music, you had the need to throw in the F-word every couple of words. When I read this it makes it look like he did somehting horrible to you or shot your parents or something. If his music is "T-O-R-T-U-R-E" then why did you keep listening to it? It seems to have driven you crazy. So crazy that you wrote a big article about how much it sucks and saying how he whines all the time. But now you're the one that's whining. Like someone's forcing you to listen to it all the time. I'm listening to it right now and I'm enjoying it. Not because I'm sad or mad or about kill myself. I'm happy and I listen to it because it's good. I like his voice... how it's whiny and shakey. My opinion is that Conor Oberst is F-ing talented.

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I agree.
His music makes me smile...I don't know why people think his music is bad...but it suppose we are all entitled to our own opinion.

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What so being EMO is now considered negative???! Well Chuff me

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You jealous bastard...You say Oberst whines...Jesus christ kiddo...I'm not the biggest fan, but I can say that he's one of the most talented musicians that I've ever heard. He deserves at least a little respect, even if you don't like him. I know sure as hell you couldn't do half of what he does. This is only your personal oppinion.

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"This is only your personal opinion". Well, duh!

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you know what .....fuck you guys and whoever wrote all that bullshit above..that i fucked up that someone feels so badly against conor to spen 8 fucking hours writing about it..no one cares about how you feel......its how they feel and whatever the hell they want to listen to so who the fuck are you to talk shit about conor ..he is making a lot more fucking money than anyone ..here so i think if you dont like conor keep it to your fucking self..cause noone really gives a shit

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Will the 100,000th fan to angrily reply to this article get a special prize? Two years later and no sign of them stopping yet

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eh. look, I like Bright Eyes, but I'm not pissed, I see your point. but we like listening to it, you idiot. You actually wasted your time writing a whole fucking essay-length tirade against it. damn, that's not only sad, but also contradictory and not to mention, pathetic. Look, I hate a shitload of bands but I'm not wasting my time searching for a website where I can post my complaints and whiny remarks about how shitty those bands are. get a hobby and shut the fuck up, asswipe!

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ah yes, someone with some intelligent and lucid thoughts, thank you. Thank you for being smart and actually expressing yourself in an eloquent manner although I guess I didn't do that with my other post. oh well. Conor is a genious and I love his lyrics. We've all felt some pain at one time or another, so why not make a great song about it? If it stops you from slitting your wrists, then by all means, pick up a guitar and pour your heart out for my listening pleasure; I'm all ears.

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Conor Oberst is a musical genius. So what if he sings about his experiences in life. He's not whining. He's expressing his emotions just like any other artist. You people are just ignorant. You don't understand Oberst. You have no fucking clue. If you had someone close to you who was suicidal or depressed or if you were depressed you would understand. You're just being stupid. You don't understand life if you don't understand Conor.

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This again! heh

Oh get a sense of humour. I've been depressed and known people who are depressed and suicidal - my opinions on bright eyes music remain the same. I'm sorry but I find his exaggerated over-the-top 'I'm just about to start crying' voice phony and irritating a lot of the time. It does not sound even slightly sincere to me. Maybe it is sincere, maybe it isn't, but as he's releasing music to the world, I'm entitled to judge the music on it's musical merits, the way it sounds. And it sounds horribly exaggerated and insincere to me.

But you like it and that's okay - just don't presume that everyone will, or that those who don't somehow 'arent getting it', as that's bullshit. You'll probably come to the same conclusion yourself once you outgrow your, ooh, what is it, 13-year-old angst ?

Nuff said.

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Wow, hahha. I love how this kid talks like he actually knows conor oberst.

First off, you're fucking retarded. Conor is obviously more sucessful than you if you can write about his fame, and you sit at home on friday nights and spin around on your spinny chair by the computer listening to britney spears, then you get an AWESOME idea to write about amazing conor oberst, bashing on him, saying he's all about sadness and pity, when you're the one wanting pity from your beast 4 paragraph peice of shit. And why do you think that you can change someone's mind? Once you like Bright Eyes, most likely you always will. You sit there and say, my opinion is right, your's is wrong.. well guess what smartass, other people have opinions as strong as yours.. just different views.

And THEN you say something about his voice?.. his voice is perfectly fine. Ughh you piss me off.. butt.. .


Conor seriously has the most beautiful mind.. and if you listen to his lyrics, and if you can actually understand, THEN they mean something. If you can't understand than don't fucking bother listening to it, or no.. you're not gonna like the music.

Jesus christ, you're so judgemental, too.. 'Your emo and you drink and slit your wrists if you listen to bright eyes.'.. . uhh no.

Then you talk about how he's always singing about how he's sad.. well have you ever heard bowl of oranges? It's about how we should love eachother, and promote peace. And he has other views too.. hes really into politics. Before you even talk, maybe you should try learning something about dear conor.

And what I love the most, is that your the one who's whining, to everyone.. and don't say I'm whining, I know I am, but I wouldn't be if you didn't come out of no where and start saying how shitty conor is.

His lyrics are seriouisly even to make me cry, and you can blame it on his music, but if someone wants to cry cause his music is so deep, then they can.. the music is just a sidekick to the emotion.. and you have to have emotion to realize how amazing Bright Eyes really is. His words are so beautiful, and deep.. and it pisses me off how anyone, anyonee, can say something bad about them, if he wants to make music, and publish it, then hell of yes, I support him, you don't have any right to say that he shouldn't be doing what he wants to with his life.

He's amazing.

You suck.



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They just keep on coming...

N.

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This article was written over two years ago.

I love Bright Eyes and I still find the fact that it's still getting responses like this pretty laughable

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no but seriously, how can you find time in your lives to sit here and bash a person that most of you know so little about. if you like him thats great, and if you dont than good for you. i respect others opinions on artists, but what does piss me off is the stereotyping of his fans.
i fall pretty damn close to the stereotypic skinny emo listening, liquor drinking, depressed fan that everyone here speaks of, but i have also introduced many of my friends to the music of Bright Eyes and other conor music, and let me tell you they vary greatly in style and appearance. conor oberst is an intelligent person, and he is a very good musician. you can not make any reasonable statements saying otherwise. As for the ones who comment on the sadness of each song, you have obviously not explored his music enough to know what you are talking about, if you look into his music a little more you will see he does enjoy life and he does rejoice in many of his songs. Conor makes his music for himself, not for his fans, and not for the people who sit in these rooms and judge him like you are fucking better than him. you are not, nor is he better than you. i wouldnt go as far as too call any of you close minded because i know none of you, but judging from your opinions i think most of you should re evaluate yourself, and find out why you feel the need to hate.

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Ah, was wondering when we'd see another response to this article.

Good good. Keep up your vitriol!

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They come along, post once or twice, then vanish into the ether. Rather like Tom Sykes when he wrote this article.

Sick Of Conor Oberst

OMG!! How dare you slag off Conor???? He's beautiful and talented and writes beautiful words about beautiful things and and and and... *cries*

RETRO POST!!!!! ;)

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Look, you don't have to listen to it and if you do and don't like it you don't have to bitch about it. Yes, he is a awesome song writer. So what if it is about a lost love or a broken emotion, we all have points like this sometime in our life and he expresses his through song. So just leave him the fuck alone douchebag.

Sick Of Conor Oberst

I like bright eyes, but does that make me a suicidal, selfish little kid, no. I don't understand why people would waste their time to write and essay on a band they hate. I think you should leave the "emo" kids alone, they like what they like, just like you do. So stop being a little nazi-bitch, telling everyone what they should or shouldn't like.

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yeah, he has been consistently been spewing out tunes of his self-pity for nigh on ten years now (and hes only like 24....) but some of them are pretty good you must admit. i love "bowl of oranges"

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De gustibus non est disputandum
Whart's this guy's problem?
He hates Oberst and he feels compelled to share it with the whole world. Probably he hate he does not get paid for this like Oberst does.
He act like a 15 years old himself.
I'm 46, I hardly listen to the music radio, I thought there was nothing new worth listening.
I stick with the old guys like Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Leonard Cohen, Tom Waits. Th last "new" thing I accepted was Bare Naked Ladies.
And then, last week I heard an interview w/ Conor, and a couple of his songs on NPR.
That was something, I checked out his 2 recent albums and I'm really impressed.
Something new worth listening. But it's just the matter of what you like -- De gustibus non est disputandum.
To me, and I don't expect everybody to be like me, the music is great, and the lyrics are too.
To me he's a real peot, and he's authentic.
"You just keep going to the bathroom always say you’ll be right back
Well it takes one to know one, kid, I think you’ve got it bad
"
I know what that means, and to me this IS real

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What I'm sick of isn't Conor Oberst or his music, but the incessant discussion of the aforementioned. I miss the pre-Fevers and Mirrors days, when one typed "Bright Eyes" into google and was shown the Saddle Creek website and a commercial site for contact lenses.

Stop Fighting.

Everyone has different tastes in what they like, if people didnt then as my friend says, "There would only be one flavor at Baskin Robins." Now she's not the smartest person in the world, but she's got a point. If everyone liked the exsact same thing then it would be so incredibly boring. I like Bright Eyes a lot, I saw them in concert two days ago actually, and I loved it. I like his music, but I dont sit at my computer and cry my eyes out and think about ways to kill myself. Im a very happy person actually, I love laughing and having fun, just because I listen to Bright Eyes, who apparentally is "whinny", does most certinally NOT make me a "little whinny emo girl". His songs range from sad to happy. They are different. I hate how people have to bash someone else's music. I dont like rap for an examle, but Im not going to go and find some website so I can purposly bash an rapper. Thats rude and wrong to do. Keep your annoying, mean opinions to yourself. And get a life too, because this must have taken you a while to do.

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Go buy some Tom Mcrae youl love him, sincerely

Sick Of Conor Oberst

This article and it's comments are comedy gold from beginning to end, thank you all.

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neone else think that this matter has been debated for long enough? just me then..k

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I do agree... even tho i love Bright eyes, and thier music is great, Fevers and Mirrors, and the albums beforem or the ones i listen to. now they seem like Coner needs to be famous. but i hope he still has his heart in the music.

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I agree, i cant take people doing shit like that! ... i dont liek rap or pop, but i still respect them for what they do, these artists do this for the people.. or some for the money but i wont get into that, so i totally agree with you. 

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Ok.. well dude. no offense and all.. BUT WHY THE FUCK do u have to come to this website and bash, artists... i know that some artists do suck.. AKa britanny, but thats my opinion and i wont write a long article about how she sucks, we should really respect what she does... yet i know i sound like a bitch before. but i do see your view. not that i dont like coner Oberst. cause i think hes a greta artsist before the newest albums which arent the best. but people we do have our freedom of speech, dont we? im liberal. and this isnt causing us harm is it? and i DO NOT think its the nicest thing to do.. especially the holocaust thing, well i am a jew. but also bad things can happen that he sings about. and we cannot judge him, on his lyrics because they are his own, i do agree with most of the comments posted here, because it was wrong wat u did, but u are ALLOWED to do it. even though it was quite loserish of you. WE all really do have do learn to respect some artists, and COner had a way to let out his Hurt emotions.. so why not let him do so? Finally congrats u Bastard for getting so many people to respond (Including me) which is probaly exactly what u wanted....

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i think you should maybe get over yourself. the day you have the ability to get up and do what he does, and then have peple say the crap you say about him, yet he keeps going is something to , not mock, but respect.

dont gt me wrong im not inlove with conor oberst but i think people like you need to understand, he's doing something for his own reasons not for you.
so if you dont like it, dont listen. but dont ruin it for other people
certainly dont be so shallow as to colour other peoples opinions without them forming their own.

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YOUR SO RIGHT.


fuck anyone that doesn't think so.

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Conor is one of the most expresive artists of our generation. You people should be honored to have him as a singer/songwriter of your time. Who cares what he sings about. He's just trying to get his feelings off his chest. It probably makes him feel better. And the way he sings ("I wanna cry" voice), he most likely does wanna cry. So all of you, just back off and stop talking shit about Conor. You don't even know why he does the things he does.

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to be fair, this article was written when Conor was shit.

now, however, he's really good.

strange how that happened...

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Hmm, yes I heard a happy bright eyes song the other week! I was very surprised. He still over-does the 'I'm about to crack up any minute' vocals though.

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Think what you want and say what you want. That's to all of you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and own taste.

All I have to say is that you cannot deny that he has talent. Whether you enjoy how he uses it or not.

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everybody's got his own opinions on things.

if you want to shout it out loud, like with such a article, then do it, doesn't mind me.
only thing i want to say, is that it's not mine, this opinion.
nobody has to listen to conor oberst, if you don't like him, then ignore him.
it's like to ignore this (excuse me) stupid, senselessness, f***ing article.
and so i do.

but some advice for you:
you don't have to listen to this, but you should have to know, that it's better to go out and talk about thinks you like or love, and not instead to say oh what a goddamned fuck anything is...you poorly depressed boy.

(excuse misspellings, normally i'm speaking german)

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wow... tom sykes is a genius. full stop.

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woos!?

Wow...

It's amazing how Bright Eye's fans get so worked up. If you like the band fine, but you you don't need to get worked up over something you have a choice to read. You knew it was something putting your poor little conor boy down. And stop saying, "stupid fucks" and shit. You are trying to stand up for a band and your doing all wrong. you gotta give us facts about why we are wrong about this band. Saying,"You jealous bastard" I am not jealous. Whats there to be jealous of? Then KarT writes "Have a nice day, loser" now who is the loser? You dont even know us and well usually its the "losers" who writes that.

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I am so glad too have found this item this morning. I have too agree with The writer. He whines way too much, and the little depressed kids of america love him..they think he's hot and wonderful and the best thing since sliced bread.

But you don't know ONE thing about him other than how pretty his images are and how much he wails about dying love like he had a sharp, splintered bamboo shoot stuck up his bum. I read articles about fans in their blogs who lay in bed at night and cry listening too BE songs. Oh make us all spank ourselves with a leather whip.

I speak from a personal experience when i say he's a freaking jerk..girls don't leave him, he screws them over, or fucks them and moves on too the next one. He's a chronic loser, cheating on all the things he supposedly cares about, idolizes people who kill themselves (like dear elliott smith) He doesn't give a damn about fans..he doesn't want anyone too know what he really is about or who he really is, he's a freaking hypocritical loser EMO poser..he's not emo. He just wants too be something..anything!

Then again on the Brighter side of all this I can see why he is adored by so many girls who haven't lost their virginity yet, or haven't learnt what a joy masterbation truly is...there are better things too do in bed at night than cry too bright eyes lyrics and put yourself in a depressional and emotional coma that lasts for days. I never knew sadness was a turn on or sexy. It's like you want too grab someone and shake them and say: "snap out of it you dumbass!"

Conor seems too have it all together where he can put down the vodka bottle long enough too ridicule president bush, and promote john kerry enough and go on a tour where he tries and change the world. That's shit. It's p-r-o-m-o-t-i-o-n! He, like every other american really doesn't give a damn about the president or the country, because he's just trying too promote his music. What he should do is go promote Barcardi or Sky Blue Vodka ad's...he drinks enough of the stuff.

Some of the lyrics (should you like obscure pain-wracked depressed and mentally under-devolped teenage boy's thoughts and feelings) could pass for at least Grade B stuff, but being how he hasn't got inductied into the rock n roll hall of fame, or played with more important bands like weezer, my chemical romance, blink 182, and Good Charlotte, I don't know why anyone would give a flying flip about a Gutiar inspired wailing boy who in reality is so fucked up in the head, and so drunk all of the time, he doesn't know where he's at, much less who he's laying in bed next too.

A disease I call "Obertism" which most young boys in bands have because it takes the pain away, just for the moment...but after that moment's gone they are no longer concerned about you or your life.

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Oh another things: people are free too listen too whatever they want. But people can also have opinions on what they DO NOT like - justa s there is freedom too express what they like, people also have the equal freedom too talk about what they don't like.

People wailing about their emotional pain (all the time) gets OLD. Take it from an artist who knows. But he's pretending too be emo so he has too act like he's so damned depressed all the time, so you'll feel sorry for him and probally fall in love with him, and gasp, buy his music. Feel the pain, love me sharply with thy deep pointed edges / do not despair... whatever Craptalicious!

Everyone has an opinion, it is that - an opinion, what they think. You don't have too like their view but you can respect them for having an opinion. You may not like the opinion, especially if you think he's god..(which he's not you know) which he isn't you know...(repeated on purpose) let it go, christ it is not the end of the world. Personally I like Emo, and I like Conor as a friend, but he uses people, he puts people down, and however i love your comment "you should get up and do what he does everyday" what puke in my tiolet or sink because I drank too much vodka the night before? Thank you, but no I'll pass honey.

You think he's clean cut and he goes too the studio everyday and spits out a deep thoughtful mentality that speaks volumes about what and where he is in his life, or its summer and he goes on tour...and then he goes straight too a hotel and goes too sleep. Please do not kid yourselves. That makes you very very foolish.

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You guys use the word "fuck" a whole lot. Can't you think of anything else to say?

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(Haha, I had to register to get this posted. Oh, the trouble I go to for nothing. ^_^).

Damn, the two sides to this are so clear. Bright Eyes fans versus, well, those who don't like/hate Bright Eyes. I won't stick my own biased opinion out there, like the majority of you have... but the Bright Eyes haters say to the comment: "then don't listen to his music." that it's been put out in the world, therefore it's some kind of declaration that his music is better. I forget the exact wording, so sorry about that, there was a hell of a lot of comments. Whereas someone then says: "...over something you have a choice to read." Man, that's such a definate use of hypocrisy I'm amazed you didn't notice it, if you did read over your comment?

Anyway, it's obvious that the fans are merely defending something they love - they have a right to, if the article is posted for all to see. The ones who agree with the article, have equal right to post their agreement. Argue if you must. Just don't make some dumbass comments that have nothing to do with the article, but personal opinions and prejudice towards others.
This particular comment caught my eye (admittedly, being near the my eyesight as I write this :P):
"You are trying to stand up for a band and your doing all wrong. you gotta give us facts about why we are wrong about this band. Saying,"You jealous bastard" I am not jealous. Whats there to be jealous of?"

Are you kidding me? Facts? If I ever learnt anything in primary school, it was the difference between fact and opinion. They don't need a fact to back up their opinion, because it's an opinion, if they like something, they don't need a reason. You don't need fact to see they like the band, right?

I totally agree about the jealous bastard comment though. If you're gonna argue, don't be an idiot while doing it. Throwing out comments like "you jealous bastard" is only going to get people to retaliate, and that's probably why it's said. If you read the article, it's obvious he isn't jealous, nor would be the people agreeing.

This article made me laugh, yeah. I don't see any indication of him trying to stick his opinion down people's throats, myself. It's the comments between Bright Eyes fans/haters that are doing that. THEY'RE trying to stick their half fledged ideas and opinions down people's throats, most not even having the grace to be grammatically correct (your is actually different from you're, y'know), so don't take it out on the guy that wrote this. I thought it was an intelligent, amusing article. I like to listen to Bright Eyes occasionally, but damn, what's the point in starting a war over it, when you're just going to be screaming your opinions? This is without even considering the fact that other people MIGHT think differently to you, might actually have a different opinion, and be willing to defend that too. Bright Eyes fans, don't make out you're being hard done by. If this was a "IloveBrightEyessofreakingmuch." type article, would you be complaining?

Dammit, listen to what you want to listen to, if you really liked the music, you wouldn't care so much when someone said they hated it, would you?

I wouldn't. ^_^

(PS: Swearing isn't some kind of contest. You just sound like an idiot when going "fuck fuck fucking fuck" Also, I apologise to those who commented, and who didn't act as mentioned above. You know who you are... I didn't feel the need to placate everyone as I went along).

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shut the fuck up

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get to bed, child.

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lame

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dude, i seriously dont understand your problem. just because people listen to conor oberst and read his lyrics doesn't mean they're going to make the same mistakes he might have made. maybe you just dont understand true lyrics, because you dont have enough feelings to acctually write something beautiful, because what you just wrote, was so fucking bad and so fucking fake, i just totally wasted my time & so did you. you can not like bright eyes conor oberst, saddle creek..whatever. because no one gives a fuck. but to take your time to write such a shitty note thingy about not liking someone is just sad. & i feel really bad that you're that kind of person. im not against you because you dont like the same music as me or whatnot, but you dont understand anything about his lyrics. and maybe i dont either, but he does, and if thats how he feels, i think people should let him let it out. if you dont fucking like it, shut the fuck up and dont listen to it asshole.

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I mean honestly, If you disslike Conor Oberst so much, why would you take the time out of your day to write this post... I just wasted part of my life by reading that. Conor Oberst's lyrics may be depressing, but they have thought into them. Lets see you try and write a song half as good as him. You should respect him, and stop whining. You get so tired of emo kids whining about their relationships and blahblahblah... well stop fucking whining about Conor Oberst!

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It makes me smile that people STILL comment on this article!

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I'm glad something makes you smile sadpunk cause that's sincerely the worst user name I've read. Listen, for all of you that despise or dislike Conor and all the bands he's taken part of, just because he uses metaphors and similes and to actually understand his lyrics you have to register it with your brain, doesn't mean you have to bash on it. You'll notice that the people that don't like Conor, or Bright Eyes for that matter, are those who listen to it a bit and since it's not cut and dried as cliche as possible, get confused and hate it. I sincerely believe people should listen to whatever they want, even when it is something I disagree with, but it's an entirely different matter when those people start feel the need to make fun of something they can't understand. Here's a new idea, when you can actually make a post without saying fuck every other word, maybe I'll view your opinions with some credibility....come on, be a little creative, pull out a dictionary or a thesaurus and learn to speak english in a way that makes you sound like you know what you're talking about.

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I'm glad something makes you smile sadpunk cause that's sincerely the worst user name I've read. Listen, for all of you that despise or dislike Conor and all the bands he's taken part of, just because he uses metaphors and similes and to actually understand his lyrics you have to register it with your brain, doesn't mean you have to bash on it. You'll notice that the people that don't like Conor, or Bright Eyes for that matter, are those who listen to it a bit and since it's not cut and dried as cliche as possible, get confused and hate it. I sincerely believe people should listen to whatever they want, even when it is something I disagree with, but it's an entirely different matter when those people start feel the need to make fun of something they can't understand. Here's a new idea, when you can actually make a post without saying fuck every other word, maybe I'll view your opinions with some credibility....come on, be a little creative, pull out a dictionary or a thesaurus and learn to speak english in a way that makes you sound like you know what you're talking about.

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leave him fucking alone, I'd like to see you try and sell so many records you had to get thousands more published on demand, cunt.
Duh, he sings about depression, most people use music to relate to it, loser.
find something else important to moan about.

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leave him fucking alone, I'd like to see you try and sell so many records you had to get thousands more published on demand, cunt.
Duh, he sings about depression, most people use music to relate to it, loser.
find something else important to moan about.

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http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/4284.html << its fucked up

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You can discuss how you don't like Bright Eyes. And anyone who likes Bright Eyes can argue against you. But don't get yourself all worked up about it and upset. It's a band. And cursing at someone a whole lot isn't going to change how they feel about it. You can argue, but the behavior you're taking on is awfully childish. You could be a little more mellow.

But please...continue "bitching".

Object of interest

I ate a bird today. I'm not kidding. It was flapping around outside of my window, so I threw it open. (The window, not the bird.) I then reached my hand out into the morning air and grabbed the little thing. It was a pretty blue and green color. One of the most gorgeous hues I've ever seen! Well, anyways, I sat down on a chair and stared into its face. "Hello, little bird." I said to it. He was struggling quite fiercly, putting up a great fight to get away. However, I wouldn't have that! I closed the window with my unoccupied hand. The bird then stopped flapping. He knew that I meant business. "Why have you captured me?" He asked in a low tone. I was quite taken aback. A bird had never taken the time to speak to me before this moment. "Well, you caught my eye, and I just had to get a closer look," I replied. He cocked his head to the side and then, after pausing for a moment, he decided to speak again. "Humans really are quite unattractive creatures, aren't they?" He inquired, and just like that he was gone. I had a stomach ache for the remaining hours of that day.

Conor Oberst

ahhh so negative! at least 'depressed by bright eyes' people are calm!

that was rather amusing though, very funny. made me laugh. and i'm a '16 year old vodka drinking indie girl'. maybe if you are so against conor oberst you should avoid him and save yourself an aneurysm.

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if you think conor oberst is whiney, listen to yourself. conor oberst is a better writer/musician than you ever will be. he is a lyrical/musical genius. quit whining.

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Well, everyone has a need to bitch, some keep their bitching private, some present it creativley to the masses, and some, lacking a life, and thus lacking anything to bitch about, bitch about how much they hate it when other people bitch.

Conor is good at bitching, and he bitches about things that a lot of people have a tendency to bitch about. People like it when other people bitch about the same things that they bitch about. That's how revolutions and political reforms happen. So, a lot of people like to bitch along with Conor.

Who ever started this topic is also good at bitching. This persons bitching has inspired over a year of subsequent bitching.

Those are my observations, and I encourage anyone who feels like it to bitch, it's good for you, don't hold it in.

Well

I'd like to take this moment in which I am lucky enough to be under a spotlight to bitch about the mistreatment of cieling fans.

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hmm...well why must you spend so much of your precious time bashing conor? so what if he decides to write about his depression? and i dont really find it any of your buisness as to why he's depressed. it could be because he lost his love, or "Oberst was in a fucking concentration camp, being brutally beaten". go fuck yourself.

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Jesta, I agree that everyone has a right to their opinions. However, here it what is wrong with your post:

The writer of this article states that many people claim that if he doesn't like bright eyes, then he shouldn't buy the album. He then goes on to say that basically, that isn't good enough and it just shouldn't exsist. so for you to defend this article by saying we should just ignore it, makes you a hypocrite. or retarded. i'm not sure which. then you say you should be aloud to bitch in peace, when the whole point of this article is that conor oberst bitches too much. so i'm glad that you hate me. because if i got the chance, i'd stab you in the jaw. so it all works out.


as for the article itself, i think it's stupid. if it was simply an article about why he doesn't like conor oberst, that would be one thing. however, many of the points he makes are in fact narrow minded. people aren't just saying that because they don't have anything better to say.

you know who hates conor oberst's fame the most? conor oberst. he has repeatedly said that he doesn't like the kind of fame he's getting. as for him being soley a whiny bitch, a lot of his writing is symbolic. for example, padraic my prince is not about baby's drowning but about the consequences of neglect.

as for the point made that people stop listening to depressing songs when they realize the truth about the world... i don't even know how to respond to that other then to say you are stupid. the world does suck, whether you want to admit it or not. now people can either address that fact and try to fix it, address it and sob over it, or ignore the bad and focus on the good and live in your pretty little world where bad things don't happen until one day you get stabbed in a dark alley because you naively think that no one would be lurking just waiting for some sap to walk by and be stabbed.


clearly i'm going off on quite the tangent, but i'm having fun so i'm going to keep going. now, you state that by making sad music, he is encourging kids to stay sad and that he should instead write happy music to cheer then up. well, i'm not a happy person. and i like not being happy. so does that then mean i am happy in my unihappiness? that's not the point. the point is that i enjoy listening to this type pf music, and if i had to listen to some cheery backstreet boy bullshit and i'd shove sharp objects in my ears and puke blood.

the point i hate the most that you foolishly made is that you think it's ok for him to make music, but he shouldn't be arrogant enough to share it with the world. so then i guess every musician must be arrgoant, because that's pretty much the point of their exsistence. HOW DARE LED ZEPPELIN PRODUCE HOUSES OF THE HOLY! THOSE ARRGOANT BASTARDS! DO YOU THINK WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT ROBERT PLANT HAS TO SAY?

GOD CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT BEETHOVEN ACTUALLY WENT PUBLIC WITH HIS COMPOSITIONS? WHAT A PRICK! "LOOK AT ME, I'M DEAF AND I COMPOSED BEAUTIFUL MASTERPIECES, I'M SO FULL OF MYSELF I ACTUALLY WANT TO SHARE MY WORK WITH OTHERS. MEEEEEHHHHHHH".

that's my impression of you in case you couldn't tell. i guess that sentiment reigns true for everyone. how dare writers publish books? how dare politicians say their stance on the issues? like i care whether or not the preseident is for or against abortion. he should keep his damn opinion to himself.

but then if that's all true, what are you doing posting this poorly written article?

yeah, he writes a lot of songs about how being dumped sucks. that is pretty stupid of him, isn't it? i love getting my heart broken. it makes me think of kittens and rainbows, not whiskey. so therefore his feelings must be invalid. especially seeing as no other songwriter has ever written about love. ever. so it makes sense for you to single out conor oberst.

in conclusion, i love conor oberst's work. yes, he is beautiful, but elliot smith was ugly as sin and i love his work too. so there goes that theory. the fact that you don't like conor is fine with me, but if you must hate him, then don't be so retarded about the reasons.

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PS matt,

I was a vodka drinking cunt way before i heard of conor oberst. so there goes the whole "he turns people into that" thing.

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Oh your yelling at Tom, ( I am not tom) and i think, if i remember correctly, you quoted some of my post up there.

One, I am an artist and a poet and No I am not jealous. I am 27 and very successful what do i have too be jealous about?
I could care less about his music, but his personality (as i do know him) blows a mountain goat of ass, and his brother justin sucks just as badly as he does, because he doesn't think Conor is a prick or a jerk too females and always tells the truth about everything and everyone.

I've got some very incriminating yahoo archives, but i can not post them here as that would just be an invasion of privacy.
But i do have them.
you'd get too see conor's email address..heh.
I should sell it on ebay or something! *LOL*

Something Conor does very well is mellow drama. He talks about how 7 of his baby brothers drowned in a bathtub, though instead of telling me his mom did it, he told me he did it.
That isn't true, but its supposedly the reason he pops 7 tynenol before he goes too bed everynight and drinks until he's numb. Supposedly his step dad raped him in the butt when he was five (and this is why he also drinks and pops pills and hates too be alone at night in the dark) and choked his sister with a chain.
Thats terrible, i agree rape will fuck you mind up after all its happened too me too, but good lord, you deal with it.

My poetry has been listed with sagewoman on various sites and in poetry.com's books even though their site is a scam site. I write poetry because I feel inspired too not because it'll make me money.

Conor quotes himself allot, like he told me once "I'm eating for you" for a minute i thought he wrote that song (when i found out it was a song) because i told him he needed too eat. I wonder who he was eating for then? He doesn't eat diary or meat poor fellow, he survives on boca burgers. that sounds so gross.
He encouraged me too quit drinking real milk and start drink soy milk in my coffee because real milk had utter blood in it. And he opposes jello because its made out of horse hooves. if he would actually read the jello website he would realize it doesn't.
All i ever heard from conor was things he said in various interviews and quoted here and there. It was like "is this who you are really? or is this just a bad dream?"

Anyone can write deep meaningful things. You ever hear of poe or whitman, or yeats, dickinson ? Who cares about Bob Dylan...or Elliott Smith or the folk scene that became mysteriously emo for depressed folk people.

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Whoever said we were Fans of his music, etc.

Couldn't it be possible we are an ex or almost an ex? haha no thats insane because he really is gay right?

How do you know how great he is, have you known him personally for more than 3 minutes?
Because he's so "HAWT" as LJ'er's put it (rollz eyes)
and he writes about vague things like a bowl of oranges and a lover he doesn't have too love and poison ivy, also while commerating an experience with his ex girlfriends by writing how it was wonderful they slept in his blood..oh thats just so, DREAMY!!! it makes me all wet and creamy...lol how dare you be so high schoolish and Laguna Beachistic.

You don't know how many times he's cheated on an ex girlfriends and made them feel so low, but he's a wonderful guy! *slaps myself with a brick* he's so wonderful and gay.

I think one of the reasons tom and I wrote our pieces that were long winded was too jokingly joke about..oh a joke.

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Shut the fuck up.

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You would think a 'poet' would know the correct use of to....

please

I think the time that you wasted to write this pointless post should be put to doing something more positive. Did you honestly think that you were going to get anywhere by talking all this shit about one person? Please, for the sake of myself and everyone else that agrees, save all the babble bull shit for someone who cares and don't write stuff about someone who you really don't know. Thank you.

my opinion

So I know this was from a long ass time ago, but I wrote something in response to this and figured I would post it.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=29936133&blogID=61076110&Mytoken=aca17695-02ee-4d31-9fd4-6028c7061b14

Copy and paste.
Then read away.

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I might be 17 and seen as a teenager. And I am listening to Bright eyes and yes I like other whiny emo music. I also think Conor is one of the best songwriters, and I love bright eyes.
But that doesn't meant that I am depressed as fuck and that I am constantly whining and attempting suicide, sitting in my room and crying my heart out because "oh my god" I am so emo.
When someone listens to bright eyes doesn't mean they don't listen to only whiny music.
You are being judgemental about the people who are listening to them, and you say that bright eyes turns you into a whiny little vodka drinking cunt. I think you should re-think that thought, maybe you are that weak that you are living by the music that you're listening - but some people, just listen because they love it, and they don't change in a stupid whiny little vodka drinking cunt.

Speak for yourself Tom

I dont see why someone had even made a website about what Conor Oberst writes, and what people like him or not...jealousy?...or ingnorance? It's not anyones place to say what people should like and what they shouldn't, and its people like this that think they are sooo damn cool cause they don't like the music, that they should write some shit online...damn dude, your fucking SWEET!!!!Conor Oberst has been writing things for ages and if you ever listened to things he wrote when he was what, 13, the kids got talent, plays guitar like a mad man. You just have to apreciate the emotion and talent the man has. I don't really listen to bright eyes that much but every once and awhile I'll bust some out. Never once have I felt like im emo, or went and cried myself to sleep. And hey vodka is good every once and awhile, along with some Jack...and thats not the music, thats just plain wanting to party with buddies and get wasted.You say you use to listen to the music and like it but now you are just dising on it? Weird, dont forget who you are, your just a fake person.
Tom Sykes= Whiny bitch, who was the first to whin about any of this music? ....Keep whining bitch, no one gives one fuck about you.

ugh

you're a fucking dick, you know nothing about conor oberst to talk about him like that. tons of people love him and his music so maybe you should get over the whole "tough act" towards him and just admit you're clearly jealous. grow the hell up and get a life. i mean really who takes the time to write an article on someone they dont even know?

General Opinions

There's a fine line between love and hate. People who spend all their time "hating" someone clearly are jealous or have no life. There's a lot of music I don't care for, but I don't dwell on it. I write about what I love and what I believe in. I hope that by now Tom Sykes has found a new, positive focus in his life to spend his time on.

Oh and one more thing...
Anyone who refers to one type of music as "emo" should realize this:

ALL MUSIC IS EMOTIONALLY DRIVEN.

If it weren't, there would be no purpose in creating it.

Think about it.

Heh

hahahaha

I can't believe this thread is still going...

Like, get over it. ;)

appreciate the emotion someone has?

that's weeeiiirrrrdddd

Well now.

You all are going to perish.
Die.
Because i'm going to kill you.
And yours mothers.
And her children....your siblings.
Your father.
Uncles,aunts, grandmothers and grandfathers.

Conor obesrt is a blessing.
And you are shit.

did you sign up jut to have

a go at these feature?

*this

Conor Oberst

I don't think Conor Oberst wallows in Pain... I think he writes about it so he doesn't have to feel like shit all the time. Sure, he worries a lot, but accusing someone with a lot of anxieties of "wallowing" is not the right thing to do. He's a fucking artist, and the best one out there, so fuck you for writing this.

I LOVE CONOR

OK.shut the fuck up people.conor is absolutly AMAZING.and i dont give a shit if u DONT think so.you have this long artical talking about how much he complains.and all your doing is complaing about how much he "complains and whines".and ur doing just that((COMPLAINING!!)).and ur being very annoying.and need to get a life.i dont know if you've heard of that.but you need it.bad.fucker.
im out.FUCK YOU ALL,LOSERS.I HOPE YOU DIE.YOU CAN DEAL WITH IT.

wow

So, you have nothing better to do then write article about people you don’t like? [Let alone know] That’s pretty pathetic. How can you say “Miserable fucking teens do not need more shoegazery, whining, self-pitying quotes for their MSN names� when you are 19? Wow doesn’t that make you a little hypocritical? Let me ask you, just how many bright eyes songs have you actually sat down and listened to? The lyrics are a lot more powerful than juts some guy wallowing in his self pity. And you would know that if you took the time to look up the lyrics. Not only that, he takes other peoples experiences and puts them into his songs. So he’s not completely for the blame. You’re probably just jealous because he is one of the smartest, beautiful, artistic, and inspiring men alive. [Not to mention you probably have a small penis and/ or he’s 99.9% better in bed because he’s not too busy thinking about who to criticize next] Good day.

please leave conor alone..

So I know it may be ridiculous to get worked up over an article. I guess a lot of people would argue that it's a waste of time. But honestly, it's really hard for me to sit here and not say anything. It's not even the fact that you're insulting Conor Oberst; although that does bother me too. But really, it's the fact that you clearly don't understand that depression is a mental disorder that people cannot help having. I happen to have depression, and I'm telling you right now, it's not a mindset. It's not something people do for attention. It actually hurts like hell and tends to completely fuck up your life. So please, don't insult Conor for it unless you've experienced it yourself. And maybe you don't think it's his business to tell the world about it. You're entitled to your opinion. But I'd just like to let you know; Conor's music has helped me out so much. It helps to know that people actually understand the way that you're feeling sometimes. And I think that if Conor's music can in any way help other people, then it can't be a bad thing. Unless, of course, you're opposed to helping people..?

Yeah

Fuck Him

BAhaHAhaha. fuckin' shit!

i think, personally, that if you don't like the music, don't fucking listen to it or buy it.
and if you don't like the people who listen to it, don't fucking associate with them.
second of all, not all people listen to music to appreciate or even notice the messages and whatnot in the lyrics.
some people just like the style, anyways.
and you don't have to be "emo" or "indie" or any of those fucking stereotypes to listen to bright eyes.
it's music, you fuck.
if you hate it, don't listen to it and don't try to change people's minds about it cause it'll just piss a lot of people off.
if you like it, don't fuck with the people who don't like it, cause they'll just be assholes. and they obviously have their reasons to not like it. just as you have your reason to like it.

goddamn. hey, tom sykes, quit whining yourself, about conor. asshole.

bull fuckin shit

first of all conor oberst is very musically talented. he's an amazing lyricist and you know alot more kids can probably relate to his shit than alot of anyone else's. how dare anyone criticize anyone's talents or fucking belittle anyone's words or music. Because I doubt whoever u are Tom Sykes, I doubt that you know anything about him or anything that went on his life or anyone else's so you have no place to talk so much shit. i mean, who are you? and if you hate his whiny ass voice and self pitying lyrics so much, then why take the time of day to write an article about how lame it is? And it's just stupid and immature to pick a song about something tragic that happened to someone and put in your two cents in when, I mean yeah listening to bright eyes might turn people into little vodka-drinking cunts, but thats a vodka-drinking cunt that's making bank by being able to express his feelings. Seriously I mean who are you? Who is this fabulous guy that can talk trash on what anyone thinks? What have you done for the world? Let people enjoy what they want to enjoy and be who they want to be or else everyone would be just like you. But, I'm sure you would like that, wouldn't you.

FairPlay...

Just because some people have the luxury of being happy all the time, or even the ability to embrace it just some of the time; does not give others the right to just shit on their opinions by telling them that their choices are worthless and to cheer up and listen to something happy. Music is supposed to be personal in a lot of senses, some people just view the aspects in which it is applied differently; thus the beauty in being able to have an opinion and make a choice that is your own on what you want to listen to. No one wants to have some elitist fuckwit ramming an opinion down their throat, just because the person doing the ramming thinks that they are right. You may not like the music, but you are ignoring the ultimate premise in letting people embrace their own choices - even if those choices are to wallow and work through the reasons for why they are doing so, with a somewhat tangible form of compassion in the form of a song that seems to make sense of that particular moment.

Everyone's different, and I can totally understand why people would think of Conor as nothing more than a whiner; but some of us are born fucking whiners! So just leave the boy to it and go and do something constructive with your time. Whether you like it or not, or agree with the emotion or subtext, just let people have an opinion and get the fuck off your high horse.

Music is supposed to be a freeing mechanism, an escape, a connotative device for emotion. Stop viewing it like its a fucking popularity contest in high school. It's utterly pedantic to try and dictate or dispute taste, as everyone is different.. It just astounds me that some people are capable of such stupidity to the extent of waging a war on freedom of expression. Grow the fuck up.

lmfao!

Right on!!! NamelessHere4everMore - You are fabulous! There are too many parts of your post that I agree with for me to quote and agree on; so I shall just wholly second such an opinion and take my hat off to you!!

Hmm....

"I don't know why anyone would give a flying flip about a Gutiar inspired wailing boy who in reality is so fucked up in the head, and so drunk all of the time, he doesn't know where he's at, much less who he's laying in bed next too."

How about perhaps, because he's not the only one of them out there? Hell, you talk about it like he coined hardcore drinking! There's a lot of people out there who relate to such a disposition..

OMG

YOUR STUPID LOL.

this is still going?

nice one! I think some people take things way too seriously. Plus Bright Eyes IS a whiny bastard, but sometimes people want to listen to a whiny bastard, that's fine, just don't whine on the internet when someone finally outs and says that he IS a whiny bastard, because that makes YOU a whiny bastard, and noone is listening to a bunch of whiny bastards. Except fellow whiny bastards I guess....

you wish

im not fucking depressed

and i fucking think conor oberst is a talented guy. this is such a mistake for you to say this. it isnt emo. emo is such a shit genre. i hate putting music into genres, arent you a bit old to do so as well?

listen to his words, his lyrics.

:-/

Ah come off it...

I'm one of the biggest Bright Eyes fans you're likely to find, but even I think he's a cock.

Thanks to The Guardian for reminding me of this legend of an article.

I read this article before i "got" bright eyes

and now i have "got" it, i feel the need to comment.
This article is crap. I mean, really. It reads like the exact "15 year old" type of rant he seems to dislike.
And yeah, he is whingy, but thats good. I like the melodrama of it all, and youre forgetting that music is more than just a tune to go along to some lyrics, and bright eyes write great songs.
So there.

who fucking cares...

yeah, yeah. okay. just get over your selves. you have every right to like or dislike any music for whatever reason. and there are many critics who are free to speak their minds. thats fine. but why should you all go nuts over this shit. listen to other peoples comments with an open mind, and if you don't agree with them just take it with a grain of salt and move on.

YEAH YES_

bullshit

conor oberst is amaziing and it's not like he's only writing about his problems with girls he has a lot of songs
a lot of stories
i don't see why conor is the only victim i mean
why aren't you targeting singers like sonny moore and anthony green or craig owns?

i mean conor has a really good sound and he has a really strange look on the world

and at least he's straying away from what everysingle other band is doing right now

he doesn't sound like the little emo acoustic bands that everyones on to like
the higher the scene asthetic dashboard confessional etc.

bright eys sound better than a lot of bands i've ever heard.

i like them
and thats all that really matters

That's me pwned

:(

aw

:)

Tom Sykes.

everyone copes their own way.
i will never applaud for yours.

Re: Sick Of Conor Oberst

This truly is the thread that keeps on giving...

DENTAL PLAN

I am outraged

:D

i feel bad now

i meant it ironingly though

sick of tom sykes

write your own music or dont listen piece of shit, you whine as much as him.

Oberst

I tend not to read articles that include certain words in CAPITAL LETTERS, because it's usually a good sign that that the author is an idiot and is ranting for lack of a more persuasive writing style. I read this, though, because I'm a fan of Desaparecidos and Bright Eyes. And, just as I suspected, it's a pile of drivel. Yes, Conor Oberst constantly goes on about the relatively inconsequential woes of heartache. So does Morrissey. So does Malcolm Middleton. So do many songwriters, because it's sometimes how they feel, just as it's sometimes how the listener feels. You can't wallow forever but then Conor Oberst doesn't anymore (unlike Morrissey).

The tragic irony is that the author used to listen to Bright Eyes themselves. There are lots of bands I listened to as a teenager that I don't anymore, but that doesn't mean those bands are now redundant to the world. There's a time and a place for abject, self-indulgent misery in music. There really is. And you won't ever succeed in patronising young people into growing out of it until they're ready.

OMGZZ i can't believe you slagged off Conor Oberst you're just jealous! He's the only one that understands me...

Only joking ;) That article gave me one of the biggest laughs in ages!

i understand that this was written a long time ago so i'm hoping your view on oberst has changed somewhat. at any rate, i've always liked conor oberst. though some of his earlier work is mediocre at best, i can't help but love mystic valley band. and there's no denying monsters of folk is incredible, if not just for jim james.

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