Kiss and make up? Unlikely...

Of all the people to comment on womens rights...

Just goes to show how ill informed you'd become if you relied on the US media for information. The weird thing is that you'd think GS would have been well travelled enough to have met plenty of Muslims and picked up something about their faith (and how the various atrocities are a very little to do with Islam, and a lot to do with rich men like Bin Laden getting gullible (usually poor) fools to blow themselves up) ... it's not like GS is some jock who's been holed up in a small town for his whole life.

Uh-oh, here comes the PC brigade again.

Do you not think there's even a grain of truth in what Gene's said? Really not one tiny bit? You liar.

The muslim religion DOES treat its women badly. As a non-muslim who has lived in a muslim community for over a decade, I can't pretend that I agree with the way that husbands force their wives to cover up their bodies, give them little freedom, and in the case of an old mate of mine's mother, beat them. People who claim that Gene Simmons comments are without education are middle class PC berks who have never actually lived in the real world, and wouldn't dare say anything like that in case they happend to OFFEND someone.

I'm not saying that ALL muslims are like this, I'm meerly pointing out that it's not wrong to have an opinion on a religious group, a lot of whose followers choose to live their lives by values that were meant to have died out half a century ago in this country.

Go on, disagree with me, clueless middle class tossers...

The thing is, the religion is ok and all. But, as with most stuff like this, it's the crap way in which people interpret it that causes all the problems. And yes, serious shit happens that I cannot condone, especially to women. But at the end of the day it's the individuals/specific society that is to blame and not the religion.

you know in the bible it says muslims are wild donkeys of men... thats kind of funny isnt it,

I disagree that being middle class has anything to do with anything, and I disagree that being offended by a sweeping generalisation is being politically correct.

I do agree that some, not all, Muslim men have a very outdated view on women's rights and their place in society, and Gene could have attacked this in a much smarter way. Branding any culture "vile" is harsh in the extreme, unless of course you're talking about the culture which led to Busted getting a recording contract.

It's too easy to rag on the Muslim faith for apparently demeaning women. Nikney, do you think that the Western world is any less demeaning with its pornography and blatant exploitation of women? A Muslim may think the Western world is far more discriminatory due to its obsession with women as sexual playthings. There are elements of all faiths and cultures that I find abhorrent. I'd just choose to express my views in a different manner to Gene Simmons and not make myself look like an uneducated cock in the process.

Yours,

Unemployed Working-Class Antihero.xx


Go on, disagree with me, clueless middle class tossers...

funny thing
it doesn't say women should be treated that way in the Qu'Ran. Therefore, saying it is part of muslim culture is like saying the right-wing militias that roam the states are part of christian culture. (example: oklahoma city)

Valid

beating your wife is bad no matter what race u are, i hate kiss and Gene Simmons and as long as im on it, the upper class, im not to big on u middle pricks either

*applauds*

urm. muslim women are not forced to cover themselves. it is said that they should .but no where is it said that they should be punished if they don't. i'm not a religious person myself, but i do know a lot about various religions. and for islam i can say it is not all about "degrading women" and "killing people" the koran does not encourage these views or actions at all. its just that these are the only ones that seem to get any press/media attention. people shouldnt be so bloody narrowminded and shouldnt go on about things they have no idea about. music and poltics can work well together - manic street preachers
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hell yea he should

I think you have to look a little deeper into why Gene Simmons might have said this. Did any of you know that Gene Simmons is Jewish? and that he has family in Israel? maybe this outburst has something to do with the trouble between the Jews and Palesteins.

it was a vastly insightful comment, whatever the motivation.

you read too much of shitty tabloids.

ah no! undereducated idiotic foreigners are going to steal our jobs.
they are going to bring all their organised criminals into the perfect-no-organised crime uk (ahem ahem)

apparently the polish are really clever. people in the uk need a kick in the backside, before we as a nation have a warped view of the world (as most americans do), the tabloids need to grow up and stop writing so much crap and creating miseducated people.

fcnikney_man, in answer to your comment that i'm a middle class pc berk who doesn't want to offend anyone. if that was true then would i call you a cuntrag? no, so fuck off cuntrag

Ok.

I live in Australia - and to be frank - it's caused a bit of an uproar here - being one of the most multi-cultural nations in the world. With so many different religions, races, and cultures.

However, I'd like to say - religion is a choice. You choose to follow that faith, and you choose to live your life by it's rules. Especially in Australia - where we really are a free nation, and you are not condemned if you don't believe.

Now - the heat & layers of clothing issues - Australian winter days rarely get below 20C - we're just coming into winter here which is why I point this out - so it's always warm. Always. Yet I am good friends with quite a few people who practice Islam - and the women say that they are proud to wear their head scarves, and that they have the choice here makes them even more proud that they have made that choice. Therefore in regard to your comments about "disrespect towards women" I have to say that the fact that they choose to wear the clothes and head scarves the way they do - especially in Australia - is in fact not disrespectful at all. It's enpowering for them.

Further more - my brother-in-law is a migrant, who is originally from Israel - and is Jewish in a predominantly Christian, arrogant, ignorant society. He finds people make mistakes about what his relgion really entales (There are so many rules in that religion, too, that I have difficulty following. Especially the Kosher stuff. So, I'm not saying I'm any better) and where he comes from etc etc etc.

So, I firmly believe people should find out about things before they open their mouths. Think before you speak. Make sure you have it right. (Otherwise people on a website hosted on the other side of the Earth to where you are will talk about what a wanker you are.)
Gene Simmons included. Fortunately for him, he probably won't be sent to jail, stoned or whipped in public, or tortured by our military police for speaking his mind. Lucky him. Lucky he is Down Under.

Do you just hate everyone?

Mmm. I love positive, happy, friendly people.

I love you Zak.

Anyone who claims Silvio Berlusconi is a good leader is clearly taking the piss. Everything he's involved in, be it AC Milan, media ventures to his leadership, has been touched by the hand of corruption, dishonesty and his own brand of slimy bullshit. As Chris says above, truth is the first casualty of war. It's usually one of the earliest casualties in any rush for power as well.

what a intelagent and educated coment, cheers

Firstly Gene Simmons is far from an uneducated man. And I suspect his comments had more than a litle to do with promoting his latest solo album entitled 'Gene Simmons Asshole', strangely enough. Still, he should turn on the news and watch the current missile and shell firing atrocity perportrated by the Israelis against Palestinians protesteting about the destruction of their homes in refugee camps. Camps that exist solely because of the displacement of Palestinians from their own homes to house an increasing Israeli population. The Istraeli's are sytematically ethnicly cleansing the area of Palestinians in broad daylight with the backing of the USA. When will the UN bring equal force to bear against Israel to what it did against Saddam's Iraq?

That's my first point........

My second is that the Bush/Blair 'War on Terror' is not now doing as it was 'advertised'. It has become a 'War on Culture'. The human race is made up of different colours, races and creeds made different by the unique non-physical elements of religion. law, art etc that we know as culture. No one culture has the right to claim that theirs can take the moral high ground. For the West to impose it's version of 'human rights' on any other culture is quite simply wrong! It is interfering with the structural building blocks that give people their identity. What next...Macdonalds Baghdad? And consider this, we here in the west are currently seeing our interest in 'human rights' implode on itself as convicted criminals become able to sue the victims of their crimes and demand more and more lenient treatment. How long will it be before our current morality disappears (much like it did in Abu Graib jail) and our most basic instincts of survival take over.

People are SUPPOSED to be different. But Gene, look to your own people before ctricising others.

oooo.....super sleuth ....watch out!!

FKNIKEY :
culture and religion arent the same thing you know, you seem to be the one who's 'clueless'.
In a lot of Islamic counrties its the law for women to cover up their bodies, and not necessarily their husbands. The Islamic religion itself doesnt say much about women being second to men.
Theres nothing wrong with having oppinions about Religions, most people do, including myself, but you ought to be able to base your oppion on knowledge, which you blatantly have very little of.

Living in the 'real world' has very little to do with your point. Its people like you who make it more shit.

oops, sorry, i deleted the below message by mistake.
*repastes*

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Kiss and make up? Unlikely...
Posted by Smileadelic on 19th May, 18:05 | Reply to this post | Delete
You know what the worst thing is about this?

When I looked at the headline I thought this was gonna be about how there will never be a Kiss reunion ever, ever, ever and that we could all sleep easy again. Now I'm really disappointed...

As regards religion... I think the view that all religion leads to evil, and that everyone who practises it is a complete lunatic, is somewhat...well...wrong. If only people heard about / actually listened to all the awesome, positive things that have come about because of religion they'd probably be much more prepared to give it a second glance and actually talk about it in sensible, rational terms.

that was probably a bit strong, i dont really hate all rich and middle class people, i was just particulary upset at them that day, a better way to put it would probably be, upper class people often make me upset, and middle class people are often vary boring and too nice, Im sure there are some very good people who are rich and in the middle class, Kiss I do hate because there just a big gimmik band, and I dont really know Gene Simons but based on that comment he is an ass.

Where did u hear that? If that's true, thats krazy.

Reading all these comments, i get the feeling that, as is common in britain, the majority of people here are atheists.

I think the Smileadelic point that Adie reposted is the one i agree with most.

I'd take it slightly further, and say that the "extremism of all forms is bad" line that a lot of people seem to take isnt the soft-liberal moral-highground option everyone seems to think it is. By suggesting "extreme" religiousity is wrong, you're suggesting that everyone else should effectively be an atheist. Or, worse, part of some pseudo-religious, do-gooder believe-nothing secular social club. I really don't want to see a world where everyone's an Anglican.

We'd end up with a society where things are less black and white, still less a thousand shades of grey. And more one shade of beige.

yea, if you havent gussed it yet im not a big fan of the shape that the american government is in. There starting wars just to make americans feel safe, i love america as a place but i am ashamed to be under its government, i am emberesed when i go to Europe and i seem like a war loving pig, but the thing is americans are tought from an early age that we are the best because we are american, were tought that the whole world tries to be like us and wishes they were us, and that anyone that gets in our way should be killed, it sicking now that i look back on it

As for the war on Syria bush has been pluging it since we didnt find the Weopns of Mass destruction in Iraq, it makes me very upset to be apart of a country that is doing that. The thing is no one is doning anything about it, its shameful, then i could go on and on about the damn patriot act.

John Kerry is a Dush bag but i would vote for him anyways, Better have a evil dush bag then a war hungry dumb ass, o man as a nation were fucked

no man, Al Gore was a compromising shit, he wouldnt have gotten anything done, we got no good options, The real probablm is people like Shaun Hanady that half of america listin to religously and belive whatever he says, he makes up facts and starts rumors about people that are just simply not true, its shameful

what do u mean by that

do u ever feel like you are in a plane and this plane has lost an engine and you and only a few others realize that the plane is going down and crash but everyone else is happy and driking, and the piolet is a dumbass but the good news is we got a little bit less of a dumbass about to start flying it. Thats how america feels to me

yes quite possibly, but my point still stands to anyone who does believe all the goop they read. (probably not anyone who is reading this mind)

you guys are lost

how can that be true if islam came after christianity. its not at all possible