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CMJ: Murmuring and myths at an American college rock festival

New York City is a tunnel of thieves and vagabonds; a nauseous tale of debauchery told through the medium of billboard advertising and raucous taverns. The smell of angst signals the desperation of the locals to ransack, purge and rape any hint of cultural improvement. But once the rock star hipsters become easy to spot, the day-to-day challenge of reporting the truth can begin.

I've been told to head for thebigapple to see if I can get the juicy on the gang of gajin talking Yo La Tengo at a shindig called CMJ.

CMJ is a devilish collection of industry narcs, two-bit bar band bozos and chili hot dog vendors, all hoping to stand close enough to 2005's collection of great white hopes to trade it in for sexual favours and popularity back home. There is much murmur of myth and manic dashes across the long, cavernous city to attend a variety of trophy shows and dancing queen competitions. The Kentucky Derby, this is not.

But, at least the bastards have a sense of humour; they've sent the nefarious indie farm boys to the Lincoln Center, one of the city's most notorious establishments for traveling politicians and evil operatics. In the middle of the hall, more used to camera crazy Japanese students and ol' folk, hordes of rambling, haughty young dope fiends seek permission to be cool. The scene resembles a Myspace hot tub; punk rock kids drinking Pabst and college rock mamas with too many laminates to start fires meet in an unholy environment that doesn't quite feel real. An afternoon of this humid cookie baking hospitality is enough to send any cracker crazy.

As I make my way to the first set of noisy encounters, I spy Hilly Kristal, Jerry Garcia look alike and owner of punk dump CBGB, murmuring about the homeless and the power struggle with the Republican mayoral office. "What do you think about the bands?" I ask. "The first rule of trophy shows," he screams, "is that you don't talk about trophy shows. And anyway there's only so many Flipper reunions we can handle."

In spite of this, I bring you a list, in no way definitive or appeasing, of all of the bands, artists and drag queens that were involved in some way.

Top hot dang performance of the week was operated by Hockey Night, five chisel chinned chaps from Minneapolis. Flop haired '90s indie rock meets Elton John endorsed classic '70s arena magic. It's Pavement knocking on Led Zeppelin's door, ignoring the faux nods to British cool of the former and the extenuated Hammond organ breaks of the latter. Two drummers share the stage, one of whom would do well to hang out with the Les Incomp boys and show them that while cowbells are fun, steel stools make for better sticks. Hockey Night's angle-pop will be rewarded with increased social status soon.

De Novo Dahl are a world of pink flying robots and Norwegian girlfriends. A gang of bearded Norse-like brothers and sister – possibly not related - from Nashville Tennessee, play the day shift of a prison break out movie. Kitted out in tight stripy pajamas, it's rambling Trout Mask Replica records on a Flaming Lips storyboard.

The King of France show up with Boston piano romps that peg them somewhere near Folds/Malkmus land. Chug pop sits neatly with a somewhat British sense of indie cred and a Jerry Seinfeld world of characteristics. Note: Drummer Michael Azzerad is responsible for 'Our Band Could Be Your Life: Scenes From The American Underground 1981 – 1991', the most devilish tale of protoindiepunkrock bands in print.

In a recording studio at 3am, nearly naked and nasty, the Mean Reds are a boy band Blood Brothers clusterfuck. Balloons pop and hipsters shake, dancing to silence and Refused fused noise in equal measures. If the songs can be recorded, they've got some Icarus Line living up to do.

Cajun Gems are a ramshackle bluegrass Bright Eyes, all acoustic guitars and excuses. The steam of Chinatown's underbelly is making it unsafe to walk the street much later, but we have to get out of the doom before Robert Johnson turns up with his pals and makes us sign a pact.

We Are Wolves are serious guys; all droopy head dribblings and shoegazing charm. Electric pianos and suicide synths crash bang wallop against the walls of the dilapidated biscuit factory that is housing the shindig. It resembles Sigur Ros accepting the commercial viability of their product and signing the goddamn McDonalds sponsorship deal.

The Capes are British. Friends of those scallions, The Koreans. We're confused that they're playing their riverscuomo meets The Anniversary pop gonk in New York and not at the Brixton Windmill.

Kind Of Like Spitting is a quiet surprise; the big Thermals meets ATD-I emo that was expected is replaced with a lone folk pop that is one half Dashboard and one half Phil Ochs.

Girl on boy/girl action is underrepresented in the misogynistic world of the indie band camp, but The Reputation deal and shuffle their female Alkaline Trio boozy punk deck well enough to escape.

Also dreaming of all the men they can get their hands on are Elvis Costello's surrogate daughters and their band of teenage delinquents, **The Like. They look like demure Californian starlets, a rock product endorsed by marykateandashleyolsen before they got old and ugly. Sonically, it's Joni Mitchell meets Echo and the Bonnie Rait; a retro folk singing lolita troupe giving out messy, Russian approved blowjobs.

More noise: Fatal Flying Guillotines hang out in Your Enemies Friends part of town – big scabby guitars and fat guys screaming. It's got potential, but only once they get rid of the chubby cockguzzler talking Hydroxycut and stop bitching about how the major label record companies are avoiding them. Deal.

They may be balls, but at least they ain't Test Icicles. London’s trash scenesters manage to clear an empty room with their greasy gimmick shouting and blown-dry hairdos. Their tailored t-shirts and faux metal 'tudes are more Tenacious D than even the Towers Of London's tired schtick. Relying on fuzzed out backing tracks and poor J(ohnny)R(otten) impressions, it could have been electrifying rather than vulgar. Even Steve Lamacq was embarrassed at the back, as the churlish swirl of karaoke childishness stopped him getting his mack on.

CMJ: Murmuring and myths at an American college rock festival

Test Icicles are awesome and shit at the same time, I like them.

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I'm really not liking that picture.

CMJ: Murmuring and myths at an American college rock festival

"New York City is a tunnel of thieves and vagabonds; a nauseous tale of debauchery told through the medium of billboard advertising and raucous taverns. The smell of angst signals the desperation of the locals to ransack, purge and rape any hint of cultural improvement."

- What in God's name are you talking about?

The only reason I am not trying to find out where you live, White, is because you mentioned The Thermals.

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This is the most terrible piece of journalism I have ever read on DiS - and that's saying something.

What about trying to do a service to both the bands and the readers by actually telling us something other than 'I want to be Hunter S. Thompson but I've only seen the movie'

Horrible

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What else would you have liked to know?

None of the bands sounded like the Wildhearts or Honeycrack, is that why you're disappointed?

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Is that your best defence of your journalistic failings?

If you really want to battle me I guess I could spare the time but seriously Mr White, be honest with yourself - admit that you could do better and endeavour to do that next time around.

By the way -

What else would you like to have known?*

:)

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What? Seriously: WHAT?
Anschul, you're not only making yourself look stupid with the last "known" comment, but also completely and utterly confusing me.
This one of the most beautifully written and strung together pieces we've had on DiS for a while.
Peter is my hero.
I'm not sure what you'd call great journalism if this is what you call terrible. I'm not even sure if you've actually read this piece or any Hunter or anything.
Sean

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good work mr white,
so this is how you've been spending your time!

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I too thought it was awful.

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Seriously Sean

I have nothing to defend but my statement that this is the worst piece of journalism I've read on DiS which I stand by - if you really want me to write a full critique of this piece in order to qualify my statement then you are leaving the door open for more abuse.

Of course I have read this piece, in fact I was looking forward to reading a piece about the CMJ so I ran to it and was quite seriously disappointed as you can see.

I don't doubt that Mr Peter White has read a lot of Hunter S.Thompson - it is 100% apparent from the title of the article and right through the piece. He might do better to find his own style.

I am sorry if I have offended your hero and thus have offended you Sean and while I admit that I am making myself look pedantic by correcting grammar I certainly don't think I am making myself look stupid.

Either way I am what I am and I am disappointed that in an article about a music event which is frankly big news the (borrowed) voice of the author is so foregrounded at the expense of any substance.

I believe also that I am not alone in this.

Anschul

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I LIKE GIRLS
I LIKE THIS ARTICLE
I LIKE PETER

I ran this thing, so if you've got beef - SHOVE IT IN MY FACE AND I'LL ROAST IT, BEEYATCH.


Ed x

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"They may be balls, but at least they ain't Test Icicles."

Ahahahha You've got to love that, actually snorted tea out of my nose! I thought it was a good article actually. Made me laugh and want to check out some new bands. Job's a good 'un!

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i really like this piece. it's interesting and opinionated and has personality, and it makes me want to hear all the above bands.

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he's actually funny. isn't he!

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Yay!! Peter's back!!

xx

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I repeat:

"New York City is a tunnel of thieves and vagabonds; a nauseous tale of debauchery told through the medium of billboard advertising and raucous taverns. The smell of angst signals the desperation of the locals to ransack, purge and rape any hint of cultural improvement."

Sean, Crablin, White; are either one of you likely to comment on this unadulterated tripe? I confess I have not read the article, so elevated were my heckles after reading the first paragraph.

[Returns to article. Reads. Does not think it as bad as Anschul, but does not particularly enjoy it, either.]

I am not sufficiently familiar with the work of Hunter S. Thompson to become embroiled in a stramash about White's plagiarisation - or not - of his work, but I insist that someone explains how New York is "a tunnel of thieves and vagabonds" [a tunnel?], a "nauseous... whatever the hell it was..." and what that utter garbage he said about the locals raping cultural improvement means, while he is at it.

If I were a New Yorker I would feel insulted. And confused. However, since I am not a New Yorker, I took the liberty of showing this piece to a New Yorker and she felt insulted. And confused.

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i am neither of those 3 but...

a tunnel of thieves and vagabonds...

imagine what that would be like. next up, imagine that's what mr.white thinks that new york feels like. that wasn't so difficult was it!?!

repeat for everything you fail to understand

i was told at university that the above was called thinking! i do it all the time now!!! cRAZy!!!

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Go away Raz, and do not patronise me. I do not wish to hear from you. My question was directed toward those other fellows. Go away, lest you begin to irritate me and this thread commences to resemble one which might be found on Drowned In Sound.

I have no interest in your discourse.

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To: Eastern_European_Sex_Tourist

Re: CMJ...

I am a New Yorker, born and bred.
I am currently living in Manhattan.

x

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Well now, this just makes your opening paragraph all the more confounding. Since I am not a New Yorker - though a frequent visitor - you have the advantage and I bow to your greater insight.

However, I worry that you are maybe confusing New York with Gotham. Are you maybe confusing New York with Gotham? Your New York bears no relation to the one I dallied and cavorted with last month, and in February and June.

I sincerely hope that I find the New York I left behind intact when I visit again, November, for if I find yours, I will turn 180 degrees and repair from whence I came.

Good day to you.

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Fuckme. I just wrote 250 words on why this Peter White fella kicks ass and now I guess I've hit the escape key 'r something and I can't be arsed to start over.

Excellent piece Mr White. I liked it a lot. :-)

(Gotta run; the Black Keys await my arrival!)

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I really enjoyed reading. I'm not over-familiar with Hunter S. Thompson's work so I couldn't really comment on whether or not Peter's aping his style but what I do know is that this is a really interesting, well-written piece. Plenty of personal thoughts and opinions and plenty of description of how the music actually sounds (too often overlooked in reviews). I for one would like to see more of this kind of stuff on DiS.

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*really enjoyed reading this

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sometime test icicles are an amazing live spectacle and sound great, sometimes they're a mess... last week DiS was raving about how great their show at the garage with ex models was, looks like new york was unlucky, at least they're always good on record :)

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i like this piece, the form fitted well with the content. Also, i took the opening paragraph as a comment on NY's orgy of self-mythologising, and how important it was to cut through that (see i read the content and the style, and i read the whole paragraph, 'cause the last line is important - blimey, whodathunkit?!)

What i really liked though was reading a lot of stuff about a lot of bands.

As for ripping off Hunter, this doesn't read like Hunter (and i've read plenty), it's not even very gonzo - he hasn't put himself at the heart of events for a start, and it's too direct...

i feel a bit deflated now - i read the piece and was just going to say i liked it, then i ended up reading all the bile.

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couldn't agree more. thought the article was pretty good, and absolutely FUCK ALL like hunter thompson. in fact, the only association i could find was the mention of the kentucky derby. hardly a carbon copy of anything to do with the man, not even his music writings themselves.

however, this moves us away from the real point - which is that test-icicles are indeed, utterly fucking shit. a nodding, knowing, winking triumph of style over content that can fuck off back to the episode of nathan barley that spewed it up in the first place. music for people to smirk to. i even had to watch this band three times before i could comprehend how much i hated it.

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I think you'll find it's known as imagination and building a context of myth to fight a myth. All you seem to have found is mere mirth.
Great writing takes you somewhere else.
I still don't know and don't think I can even begin to understand what you think great writing is.

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I agree, the Hunter version would probably start, "I've just done some ether and some band called Test Icles are droning in my ear. Deciding there are better things to do in the parking lot, I walk out with my newly found friends to try and score, and shoot my assistant" Gonzo being as, biscuitgeoff states, is the journo, namely Hunter, being pretty much what the article is about. Even after reading the article, I have no idea what Peter managed to score!

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I have read the article.

I have read the banter.

I will now comment:

If you didn't like the article, then it is more than likely to be because you are suffering from a acute lack of understanding and intelligence of unprecedented proportions - usually only associated with the most narcissitic of vainglorious megalomaniacs.

Any attampt to state otherwise will be treated with mild contempt and interpretted as a somewhat feeble attempt to assert some sort of control over your otherwise pathetic and downward spiralling lives.

Try writing something yourself - you might find the creative outlet more informative and stimulating than the dull and overcast auras of negativity you bring to these forums - whatever your motives for posting, your comments don't make for a very good read.

Keep up the ramblings le Blanc, x

thankyouplease

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I'm guessing the hunter comparisons comes from the opening line's similarity to the quote "a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free"

But i'm not getting involved

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what about his FACE???

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PW - they shot Hunter's ashes up your bum, didn't they?

:)

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I greatly enjoyed this piece too, if only for the fact Whitey (can I call you that?) is obviously not a big Test-Icicles fan- a position with which I concur. As for all the Whitey-Whackers, I think certain users should try writing and making a name for themselves in this area before alleging plagiarism. I guess there are a few Bignose's who are trying to trip you up and laugh when you fall Peter.

Fuck them.

As both a fairly frequent visitor to the city, as well as an avid reader of anything that has graced the pen of Hunter S. Thompson, I appreciated your evocative description of the Big Apple. Keep up the good work.

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NO! Peter's MY hero!

ps) I know for a fact he has no idea who Hunter Thompson is

pps) He is also gay. Total homo.

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You'd think this site would encourage critical writing and therefore critical readers. It is a two way process. Even if you disagree about this piece being attacked such debate could at least be seen as positive. Rather than 'you are attacking one of my friends so I am going to appear confused and then angry'. Music journalists quite rightly criticise bands so why don't they expect the same treatment in return? This whole game is a dialogue. On the one hand DiS doesn't have the 'authenticity' a written magazine has - people seem to accept these as more authoritative given their sterile/non personal approach. By the same turn DiS has the advantage of breaking down that bullshit but leaves itself open to potentially endless critique and dialogue. I don't know what is more preferable. The main problem here seems that those seeing flaws in the article have just called it 'rubbish' without any further decent explanation. If the attacks go beyond envy/petty jealousy then maybe a dialogue about decent journalism could open up.



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I think you are 100% correct silence-r

Mr White and I have communicated in private over this matter - to a satisfactory conclusion I believe.

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