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Look, at least give me my underwear back. Cmon guys, it's not funny anymore.
Wouldn't be that arsed if we got knocked out on wednesday to save the inevitable absolute dicking off city in the final
Wearily playing well until going down and then again once the game was over, being reduced to bringing on Smalling for damage limitation, getting a bit too grouchy in injury time ... It's not like they disgraced themselves, but it didn't paint a nice picture.
Dowd booking Rafael was the worst kind of bollocks officiating. I sit directly above where the foul happened and I'm 99% sure that Dowd completely missed it and went for the safe option of a yellow card. Either pay proper attention so you don't make calls on things you didn't see, or just don't make calls on things you didn't see.
i guess he could've put giggs left back but there was no proper left back on the bench and the only other option (valencia at rb) would've been worse.
and got the job mainly thanks to being scottish.
Can't see us getting top 4 at all, City will hammer us again if we get to the carling cup final and if we get anyone good in the quarters of the champions league (Barca/Madrid/Athletico/Bayern/City/Chelsea) we'll get turned over by at least 4 goals over 2 legs.
Really don't see a way out of it either because Moyes was also chosen as he won't rock the boat with no money to spend.
attempting a managed decline.
Definitely wasn't going to give anything.
Also robs us of any retrospective punishment.
Bebe come back. It was a fucking open goal to use that.
*shakes head, wanders off*
I have really let myself down here.
him running into a United player without attempting to get the ball and getting a free kick for it in the ninth minute was one of the most baffling refereeing decisions EVER in any sport.
because he clipped Hazard as well so the ref could write it off as a big collision. Awful foul though.
the whole not seeing it then giving a yellow is a tricky one. If he doesn't give anything he loses control of the game, but giving a yellow means the FA can't review it because of their daft rules.
No-one cockblocked Parsefone's thread today
Instead you're in here, my thread, bumping it with your thwarted venom. I thought the Seymour Skinner thing was an amusing lark, but I'm afraid it's taken on uncomfortably accurate connotations.
Don't Forget - He's Here Forever.
Thanks for your time. See you next Sunday for more 'You Are The Ref'.
it was really really late and showed clear frustration. IMO it was probably a red, although you could argue it being a yellow. Undeniably stupid from Vidic.
and I think that's about right. It was late, feet away from the ball and made with no regard for the safety of the opponent. Not necessarily a klaxon-sounding red card offence but also not one a dismissed player can legitimately have a burning sense of injustice about.
It's less than a red.
The point is that it was the sort of incident that lies equidistant from a yellow and red to the extent that neither would really be wrong or unfair.
Had a yellow been given, I wouldn't be complaining but the red is acceptably and tolerably 'harsh' imo.
Why have I never heard that before
he clattered him after the ball had gone. Roy Keane made a good point (no, really) a while back about never giving the ref an excuse to send you off.
and I appreciate it was a tough call to make. My initial tohught was that it was a red but I changed my mind afterwards. he clearly had no intention of gong for the ball and his intent was to fell hazard.
Unlike rafael however, no studs were up and it was a bit of a petulant pisst affair.
I know the two fouls should be judged independently, but it's hard not to compare and contrast and realise that the ref had a howler. Vidi's tackle was certainly not the ugliest of the game.
orange is probably about right, as per mourinho.
Vidic - Possibly a yellow, but can't complain about a red either. Depends on the ref and the context of the game sometimes. The funny thing is, a red like that is normally a ref saying as much as anything that things are getting tetchy and that they won't stand for it, so seeing Rafael then go and make his challenge was even more surprising, and for me, that was much more of a clear red, bad ref position to, as I think Royts said, basically not see it and then just arbitrarily pull out a yellow.
I can't work out if the Rafael thing was frustration or a further example of how little control Moyes seems to have over this side - or both.
And everyone around me in the crowd seemed perplexed (though obviously amused) that he's been sent off. Looked a purely frustrated challenge but yellow would have been fair.
Seeing it again I'm not sure there's much to complain about though. Whilst it wasn't two footed or particularly high, it was also reckless, clearly deliberate and made with no other intention than to hurt the player. Bit scissory too, that's always ugly.
Rafael's tackle was far worse if course, although you could see it coming a mile off as he'd just been taken out by Ivanovic off the ball.
Admittedly it's difficult to take a true measure when 50% of the back 4 they're facing is Matt Taylor (!) and Roger Johnson, but it was all pretty easy for them. Never really saw what the fuss about Cabaye was before but he was dead sexy
but he's certainly good for them. i can see him going somewhere like AC Milan and doing "OK".
given the length of gap Geordies leave between the two (note, not three) syllables.
think Matty might struggle to settle in Italy
I believe Yohan Cabaye is the greatest player of all time
can we stop talking about it please.
so i can't.
the West Ham one and some bloodbath at Reading. Since those are the only two, I'll be talking about them a LOT
Don't know how I missed that result - What the fuck happened?
had to do level best not to grin every time i got a score update
*until the next game :(
Anyone think Man Utd can still make top 4 this season?
and be somewhere close to last year's form then yes, definitely.
Everton, liverpool and spurs for the rest of the season?
people forget how many games we won last season despite being overrun because of RVP's goals (and Rooney's performances in the second half of the season). if they'd be in last season's form this season United would probably be fourth now.
In simplest o'terms, with our 2 talismen I could still see us putting on a run of form to the post as good as City or Chelsea. Without them, we're a Europa team at best.
Of course. 6 points isn't a huge gap to bridge in 16 games and Liverpool and Tottenham are both perfectly capable of losing 2 more games than United in that period.
For probably the first time this season, I wouldn't back them to though.
They currently have Utd at 11/4 to finish top 4, with Spurs at 12/5 and Liverpool at 10/11. Everton are quite a way down from that at 4/1.
but they haven't given any reason yet to believe they'll start lacing together easy, low-effort wins or start getting a decent amount of points from the teams around them regularly. they'll probably need to do both of those things to get into the top 4
league games, they won't have Rooney. RVP and Vidic either.
I imagine Liverpool will destroy them at Anfield as well.
there could be a lot of goals in that
and then Cardiff home and Stoke away. The next game after that is Fulham at home. Even in their current shit guise, United are looking at 7 points at the absolute worst there.
Under Hughes, should be ok
It was 1-0.
Though, to be honest, Man Utd's home form is probably worse than their away form...
Everton and Liverpool are must wins now. I'm guessing the Man City game at Old trafford will be another hilarious humiliation for Utd.
they're a pretty average side with two good strikers. Pretty much the same as Liverpool so I think it'd only take an injury or suspension to Suarez and they could catch them.
and will be better once Rodgers has completely developed the balls to drop Gerrard. Their goalkeeper is a fanny and their defence is shocking, though- any game where they can't retain possession and/or outscore the opposition they're going to lose. Also their scouting system is still seriously bad.
They have played a lot of the big boys already so should get a few wins under their belt in the coming weeks but considering how piss poor they've been all season and the amount of losses, it's telling that they're only a couple of wins from being in the mix again.
when are spurs playing some proper teams?
His reign was bookended by a pair of mouthy English wideboys playing 4-4-2 and both doing far better than him
Got more points than Arry.
but it's only finishing position that has any value as a metric. West Ham got relegated in 2003 on 42 points, but stayed up under Zola on 35. It's only finishing position that matters. Harold finished in the top 4 twice - being trolled by Chelsea wasn't his fault.
about how much last season's total was down to AVB and how much down to a freak once-in-a-generation season from a certain gibbon-faced individual
Some of us have known how shit AVB is for a while.
The win ratio/points average is a red herring. AVB's was better than Redknapp's or virtually any other Spurs manager, but over a far shorter period of time. Redknapp had a far superior record to him.
we'll just get absolutely done by City, Chelsea, Arsenal etc. Think our tactics are basically 'go out and play cos you're better than most teams/dont worry about tactics'
It's not that hard to work out, is it?
Can United catch up? (Answer: No, they have been out of it since the 2nd month of the season)
Can Liverpool mount a charge? (Answer: Good God man no, it's just that all you Liverpool pundits would like it to happen...)
Can Arsenal keep up this run of form? (Answer: Probably not as they're a couple of injuries away from being a bit threadbare again and CL looms again but it'd be nice if they did)
Can anyone stop Man City winning all 4 trophies? (Answer: Well, if every game they played ever was at home, probably not (though the mighty Pulis had a good shot) but they are still leaking goals. The strength of their squad is so good though you suspect the title is theirs and maybe one of the domestic cups)
Can Chelsea bridge the gap (Answer: Yes, quite easily plus a lot of these players and the manager will have been in this situation before. They're not played great so far but are now becoming solid at the back and - as usual with Mourinho sides - are doing well despite looking to the neutral like they're a bit shit and all about to retire)
with a considerate exception given to German sides
*plumps for two teams to win*
Liverpool & Man U are out of contention, Arsenal are still the outsiders and that realistically it's between Chelsea and City. The way they were talking about it on TV you'd think it was rocket science.
I'm pretending it didn't happen, a season without Chelsea (A) is a very pleasant prospect.
allardici resigns himself to losing out on his favourite thing: a massive lanky target man.
of luring Jan Koller out of retirement or signing Costel Pantilimon on loan to play up front.
where Big Andy was fit enough to play, Carlton got re-signed and Allardici was trying to sign both Rickie Lambert and Lacina Traore. No Country For Small Men
that he stumbles on the 'Big Unit' football thread and joins DiS.
Edinson Cavani (PSG) to Man Utd
Lacina Traore (Monaco) to Everton
Robert Snodgrass (Norwich) to Celtic
Danny Graham (Sunderland) to Bolton or Nottingham Forest
Muamer Tankovic (Fulham) to Liverpool
Yohan Cabaye (Newcastle) to PSG
Alan Hutton (Aston Villa) to Stoke or Fulham
Rhys Williams (Middlesborough) to Swansea
Neil Taylor (Swansea) to Fulham
Seamus Coleman (Everton) to Man Utd
Simon Makienok (Brondby) to Crystal Palace
Thomas Vermaelen (Arsenal) to West Ham or Napoli
Luis Suarez (Liverpool) to PSG or Real Madrid
Marco Reus (Borussia Dortmund) to Spurs
Jamaal Lascelles (Nottingham Forest) to Spurs
and the second one comes from the manager
But it is great to watch him take a side that are leaking goals and turn them into one with now the second best defensive form in the league behind Arsenal. If they stay up, it'll be one of the best bits of managerial work the league has ever seen.
Also great to see Stoke, after selling him, doing just as badly with Hughes in charge.
I really didn't want us to appoint Pulis, but I have to hold my hat of to him, he is doing a great job.
I feared we would play long ball and be over physical and dirty, but we are doing none of those things. We were already top of the fair league, and we've had hardly any bookings since Pulis took over.
We've only conceded 10 goals in 12 games under Pulis, that includes away trips to Manchester City, Chelsea and Totteham and we have kept six clean sheets in the process.
What is even more remarkable is that essentially its the same goalkeeper and back four (apart from Ward is has moved to midfield due to injuries to others). That same defensive was pretty horrendous at the end last season, winning 1 in 10 games (excluding the playoffs).
If we had a decent striker (or if Murray wasn't injured), we'd have a few more points too.
Whether its how good a job Pulis is doing, or just how out of his depth Holloway was, is a different matter.
not sure if that will change when he gets the summer to bring in some bruisers though
But we do have Iain Moody (the one who left Cardiff) as DoF. So hopefully he will have an input in who we sign too. Apparently our chairman has already vetoed bids for Crouch and Etherington, citing that they are too old and on to big wages, I hope he sticks to his guns, even if it upsets Pulis.
We are linked with Simon Makienok who is 6'7", which sounds a typical Pulis signing, but we've been linked with him since last summer and had a bid turned down on the last transfer deadline.
while watching him hump them
a) for his never getting relegated record, but mostly b) it will make Hughes look shit and Bryan Robson's great escape look like the hugely lucky, Norwich implosion assisted, unimpressive mess it really was
But if we could go up passing Hughes' Stoke and Fulham, I'll see you in the pub with a cigar and a brandy gentlemen
What a specimen of humanity
i am in dread about what will happen next tuesday. I'm still going to go, but more in some kind of morbid fascination.
we'll probably just bore you to death like everyone except the good teams we've played
what's gone wrong at Bolton? Were highly tipped at the start of the season, but have roundly been awful
Didn't get to the game as we sold out (thinly veiled attendance boast). From what I hear though, we were unlucky to lose, and ended up being punished for wasting a few good chances in the first half. Fair assessment?
Huddersfield were the better team in the first half as we sat way too deep encouraging you to run at us, and Carroll and O'Neil were well fond of gifting possession back to you. You had a fair few chances, but they weren't necessarily dangerous, wasn't like you missed a ton of sitters or something.
Second half we controlled the game better, but not by much, and the equaliser was from some pretty squalid defending our end. Was pretty similar to the Donny game in many respects - you guys played decently enough but when we pushed up the field you bricked it and retreated into you shell rather than sticking to the patterns of play that had worked so well.
And Austin is awesome. He leads the line. He scores with his head. He poaches in the box. He scores from 30 yards. If he had any pace whatsoever he'd playing for a much better team than us
and his luxuriant beard
If we can stay up at the expensive of Stoke, West Ham and Cardiff, i'd be pretty happy.
gray seems to know what he's doing. players that jones overlooked have come good
Be funny if it was Southampton.
would be swansea except they haven't had a decent run of form all season, they just get a pass for playing the right way and having a nice manager, been shit since they won the league cup
dont want to talk about that tho.
but not about the game. Can anyone at all explain this image that flashed up on the screen at the match?
the 'our dad is bigger than your dad' stuff.
Doesn't make a lot of sense though.
i'd try to forget about that.
Tbf though my capacity for questioning things had already reached a limit by that point, with queries such as 'why the fuck is this happening' and 'how is zat knight getting paid to play football' at the forefront.
what a fucking chump.
"She has testified that she had sex with both players for money after lying to them about her age."
(and definitely over 18)
On the 'things likely to get you fired as manager' list, that's not too far off selling your son to Monaco for a pittance.
is that cazorla on the left? what about spanish mcnulty on the right?
Amazingly starts with a montage of him shooting wide and then fouling someone
just putting it out there before he signs for man utd and then people say he never dived before he played for man utd because only players for man utd dive
It's almost as if something bad had happened, and the club wanted to give people something else to think about.