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I don't because I'm not a baby and can eat food without throwing it everywhere like a child.
Even if you don't anticipate dropping food down yourself.
As if the accusatory tone if the OP wasn't enough, everyone loves an etiquette thread.
It's your lap you're going to be dropping food on, not the waiter's
"Politeness is best expressed as the practical application of good manners or etiquette."
because I'm using the product as intended.
I'm not sure how you interpreted "Practical application of manners or etiquette" as "practical application of items around you"
that's the crux of my whole argument and why I don't necessarily consider it good manners/polite to do so, discretely wiping your hands without interfering with others on the table (bumping into them, etc.) is polite and good manners but placing a napkin on your lap isn't it just helps you do the above.
but yeah, this is a stupid thing to even argue about, I'm going to go back to enjoying ma' Sunday
You've just missed the point entirely. Have a nice Sunday.
That you could quite easily substitute both 'good manners' and 'etiquette' for 'politeness' because they all mean the same thing so that definition tells us pretty much nothing about requirements of politeness. As urbanfox said, I really think the subject of politeness needs to be other people. Nobody is gonna know if you've laid down a napkin on your lap
I'm not an animal and usually have a 100% strike rate when it comes to shovelling food in my trap.
you either do or you don't
For that 1 in a million event where I drop a bit of curry on my leg
It's the correct thing to do, you pleb.
only because old people who can't handle their food insist this. It's an outdated practice that really has no place in modern society. The meals we eat nowadays just aren't usually messy enough to justify this kind of thing. I'd forgive you if you were tucking into a bowl of ribs or something.
you shouldn't even be allowed out of the house tbf
that i'll be judged for not doing it. everywhere else, no.
Just in case
May as well put it on your lap than leave it on the table?
When people have it on their laps and then pick up a corner of it to wipe their mouth. Awful behaviour. If that's "good etiquette" then I don't want anything to do with it.
Use the back of their hand?
Wiping your face with a napkin and then putting back on your lap doesn't exactly scream "class".
Does the person have two napkins in your scenario?
not havin' a pop, i make them as well.
this thread was going so well too.
I rarely eat anywhere posh enough for anyone to give a fuck what I do with my napkin.
If you don't spill anything, it makes no difference. If you inadvertently do, well, it's nice to have it there.
This may be the most boring post I've ever written, and it's got competition.
*just in case* we fall over
Likelihood of spilling stuff on your lap occasionally when eating (unless you eat completely uninteresting food all the time): pretty high
Likelihood of falling and twatting one's head in day-to-day business: very low
I didn't really need to spell that out, did I? :)
if someone put one down there i would think be careful but without one i wouldn't think anything but if i did it would be like EAT UP friend. its fine though x
i would rather see someone put one in their neck
Like: waiter showing you the label on the wine, it's alright mate, I trust you're going to pour me the bottle that I've asked for. Ordering the desert after the main - I'm pretty confident that I'll be having a desert and I know what it is now, but sure, we can get the menus out again later. Pouring a little bit of wine out for me to taste - don't worry pal, if it's corked or rank in any way I'll be letting you know about it. Having all the cutlery out when you sit down and then removing the fish knife and replacing it with a steak knife after I've ordered - we could have done this cutlery rearrangements afterwards but hey, let's do it now just so I know what knife to use. Waiting half an hour before letting me get the bill - I think Theo's done this one.
Or you could just be a rebel.
but that's probably your fault too
Which is just like in all these examples, putting the napkin on your lap is a minor precaution to prevent some potential social embarrassment later on in the dining experience. However small the likelihood it might be.
Not to catch food, as such. More a case of having a discreet option for wiping your hands/fingers if the need arises. And, y'know, it keeps it out of the way - who wants a napkin flapping about on the table during a meal?
A napkin isn't a bib for your lap. It's for wiping your fingers and mouth. Your lap is just a discreet storage area.
so I don't anymore.
So yeh, that's why I have it on my lap. I don't want to run the risk of staining my clothes with food. What's wrong with you people?
We're not the ones missing our mouths, pal.
Not that I'm really worried about my cutlery dexterity or anything, but when you're eating crusty bread rolls, etc, it's tricky to avoid dropping crumbs on your lap.
When I'm eating soup I tuck the napkin into my collar.
I'm not sure why I'm responding to this thread?
gonna start it up again.
Also, when I was younger I used to spend a lot of time with this posh family and to serve as a reminder to use your napkin the game would be to put the napkin on your head and the last person to notice and put the napkin on their head lost the game....ummmmm...Posh people, eh?
if you're not good at eating, then fine, it's practical, but to that out of etiquette is absurd. so much of it is. all that matters is being decent to other people.
fyi, I don't include tipping in that. loads of people do unrewarding jobs and don't get tips.
*sets down can of worms, lid ajar, leaves*
How are those gainfully employed people earn a salary now?
Literally no idea
- Chewing with your mouth closed.
- Holding fork in left hand and knife in right.
- Putting fork in right hand and scooping food rather than shovelling food on sideways to fork with knife.
- Putting fork and knife together when finishing meal.
- Not Resting your elbows on the table whilst eating.
Why bother? It's just antiquated etiquette.
- practical, that's just how you eat.
- either way is fine.
- I like to clear up in some way to help staff, but this is just nice/practical. just happens that it helps to put cutlery together.
- totally ruling this out is just odd. I guess if the table isn't solid and might move if you put your weight on it, you avoid this one.
she likes one down her front and one in her lap.
if you didn't know it was 'a thing' to put a napkin on your lap, then waht did you do with it? just leave it on the table?
maybe dab around my mouth if I need to? otherwise I just regard it with contempt.
i only do it if everyone else is doing it. Like, usually I'd probably leave it on the table coz i've forgotten but if other people start doing it i'd be like oh yeah that's the thing that i've got to do
I have never seen a baby put a napkin on it's lap. Most of the ones I've met don't seem all that fussed where their food ends up.
See how a discreet napkin in the lap could have helped
In an etiquette thread on DiS?
Well now I've seen everything.
saw my girlfriend do it yesterday but that's ok cos she always gets food down herself cos she's a liability
if you're not doing it you're a bit silly. Why risk the potential of a knocked over glass/dropped fork/whatever fucking with your clothes?
Quite often I'll tuck one into my top like a bib (but not if i'm on a date and wnat them to see my boobs).
It's not so much being a baby, it's about submitting to enjoyment of food with abandon while not having to worry about messing up your clothes.
a blowie under the table when i'm at any restaurant so i put the bib over the lady's head to be discreet and shit. it's just basic politeness.
what's the etiquette to blowing your nose when you're powering through an off-the-menu special phall?
obviously it would be better to excuse yourself and leave the table, but it's awkward doing that more than once during the meal.
even though it is probably dreadful manners not to leave the table first. I don't do a stonking big blow though, just a bit of a wipe/ dab.
it's not worth the hassle