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Shoshanna doing karaoke :')))))))))))))))))))))
and can't wait for start of the second on sky atlantic in oh... 17 minutes!
Might have to watch it again
i might have to stop watching it.
aka donald glover the 'white person's black man'
again. She definitely makes the most of her few lines in each episode.
I love this show so much.
fucking marnie though, she's completely empty. just neediness, leeching through everything with a blank face.
and why do I get the strong and irresistible feeling that I would hate it with a passion so strong that my bowels may self destruct and drown me in my own effluence?
but then again it could just be a yuppie, female, American Great Night Out.
I actually think Marnie comes across as slightly less uptight, and more human than before.
Now I actually understand where he's coming from I think that Adam deserves better than Hannah and * potential spoilers* apparently he does find a new love interest.
Said John Mcririck.
Adam and Shoshanna particularly
*a panda next to a gun next to a wrapped gift? It makes no sense!*
It's outrageously annoying, poor written and too self-congratulatory.
But for some reason I keep watching it.
I don't really see how its self-congratulatory.
"I could write that" and I'm not a writer.
I could walk out of any movie and think "I could write that", that doesn't make it badly written, it'd just make me an egotist. What about it makes you think you could write it?
Like 6/10 like. I liked this first episode a lot less. Shoshana has changed. She's not like what she used to be. Really bad acting when she was looking through the bags to find her bag. She was also wearing the dress I almost bought and now regret as its quite nice.
I'm pleased to see Donald Glover in it. I bloody love him. He's very cute <3
I would have liked more Chris o'dowd and the girl with the terrible english accent.
I think she's a brilliant actress, especially in the S2E1 episode.
I know Jessa's accent is ridiculous, but she is English. Chris O'Dowd's accent is appalling! I thought he was the worst thing about series 1.
except that I can forgive Chris O'Dowd almost anything.
Jessa's accent is supposed to be ridiculous, isn't it? There are plenty of posh English girls with that kind of mid-Atlantic dialect.
There must be thousands of ex-pat bankers in New York.
Did anyone watch The New Normal? It was alright. He was funny. The girl who is having their baby isn't the greatest actress.
6 episodes in now, really liking it. It's pretty consistently funny, sometimes very weird, but seems to have its heart in the right place and is generally very well-written. The most recent one I watched (where she goes home for the weekend) is actually so dead-on about the little minutiae of returning to the place where you grew up.
perfectly sums up her self-loathing / inability to admit what she wants character.
the bit with the songs and the bit with the missy elliott lyric and oh god :'))))))))
NICE COVERING YOUR BACK AGAINST RACISM ACCUSATIONS, LENA!
I liked the very baiting and trolling feeling in that scene.
I'VE NEVER MET YOU BUT I HATE YOU
the whole conversation with Sandy! Hannah with a dog down her top! Marnie being unexpectedly hilarious (especially when Hannah said *I did it for YOUR rights and for YOUR rights* and Marnie was like *oh thank you!* really sincerely)! ADAM!
Are the episodes in this series shorter though? :(
And I felt really sad when Hannah was pushing him and telling him to get out, and he had that look of realisation on his face that was like, 'Oh. This isn't a joke. She really does hate me...' And then he ended up staying anyway!
when he looked away then looked back and his nose looked like he was trying to hold back tears. Poor crazy Adam.
Laughed a lot, especially at the conversation with Sandy, which was surely a barely veiled depiction of the criticisms the show has received *I don't see divisions of people!*
Also: BOX OF DOGS
as everyone else LOVES it.*
I don't think I've laughed harder at an episode of Girls than I did at this one. Going to have to watch it again.
Is it similar to that?
+ a lot more people feeling sorry for themselves.
i enjoyed this week's though.
Girls sort of pretends to be a real serious show in which you slowly realise all the characters are a bit mental.
It's shot and presented as a wholly dramatic Künstlerroman (or whatever the fuck that'd be called for a TV show), but it's really quite absurd mostly. The only time it's really obvious is whenever Jessa is featured. Hannah evens comes across as thinking the stuff Jessa and other absurd characters (like Adam, for example) get up to is insane, without realising that she's culpable to it all as well.
i did a very late review of the first episode if anyone wants a read, judging by this thread i doubt you'll agree
catching up on an episode 2 review now, which I actually thought was much better than the first.
but I dunno, some of your criticisms here are kinda what makes the show good, so I don't really know what to say to you ;)
The most annoying thing is this is done with total self-awareness; George’s drunken meltdown at everyone’s blandness is on-the-money, as is Elijah’s line to Hannah – “are you fucking kidding?” to Hannah’s protestation that she doesn’t talk about Adam that much. It’s almost like Dunham is saying to the audience “yes, I know what frustrates you about my tv show, but I’m not going to do anything about it”
George's line IS THE JOKE, she isn't she isn't going to do anything about it, she's saying the humour is found IN these first world pretty rich white girl problems and their ridiculousness. It's a different, uncomparable show to peep show or philly because it on the face of it, it pretends to be a positive show about this lifestyle, when actually its a damning critique.
to clarify i'm totally aware that this show doesn't sympathetically show quite how self-absorbed the characters are. and it may be taking the piss when a lot of scenes are just giant whinefests - but they're still so so so boring, even if they might be boring on 'another level'
And I know it's totally different to those shows, but I'd say they're good examples of having unsympathetic characters also being interesting - whereas this is just not-likeable characters (mostly) being not interesting.
Mostly my problem is with the balance really. If every episode wasn't ten consecutive coupley arguments I could get behind it some more. I think it's occasionally really great but mostly just monotonous
or at least put in a line of dialogue about him living there for a while to justify the mid-Atlantic accent like they did for him in Bridesmaids.
I hope they keep Donald Glover for a few more episodes too, its nice seeing him play someone pretty different from his character on Community.
along with Lena's real sister! Tiny Furniture is great. It's very similar to Girls (lots of the same actors) except that the character played by Lena is from a New York arty wealthy family (probably closer to reality?) rather than the middle class Mid-Western(?) one.
Trumping my previous fave moment when Marnie said that Charlie could be a bit more adventurous in bed and he really awkwardly went *Well yeah, do you want me to go ERRR YEAH, SUCK ON MY BIG HAIRY BALLS*
Obviously another one of those programmes people ironically like.
Which is a shame because I made my wife watch it and she likes it so I'm stuck with it.
Saw the first two episodes on the plane to America last year and only just picked it up again now. That first series was almost perfect.
Enjoying season 2 so far (on episode 2 currently) but not keen on her flatmate being so closely involved. He was brilliant in the first series but in small doses. Dunno if I like what they're doing to Adam either, he was well cool in the first series but not so much now.
Bought and watched Tiny Furniture last night too. I think she's a genius as she's one of the few TV writers of current times who can make me laugh so much that I have to rewind it to hear what I've missed cos I was laughing. YES.
then you warmed to him a bit, but he was always weird and alarming.
Where Hannah was inisiting he wear a condom and he went *I AM* then pinged it away. Properly made me shudder
but because he's the combination of all the terrible indie boyfriend traits which you only realise were so terrible once you've broken up.
I'll take your word for it.
he was fcking cool.
At that party, on his bike, doing his play, going nuts at that driver.
I liked him.
Was really enjoying the season so far, but this one did nothing for me. Too much Hannah and Marnie annoyingness, and an abscence of any of the characters I like (Adam, Shoshanna, Ray.) Didn't really get the point of it either, the random introduction of this junkie character nobody has heard of? He didn't seem very realistic to me.
Some funny mocking of the modern art crowd though, with that guy from the Lonely Island and his creepy dolls house. Sex scene was fucking weird.
it had funny moments but overall as an episode it was pretty weak
weird you say the druggy didn't seem very realistic 'cause he was much more so than quite a lot of the main peeps for me. definitely feels like a character from another show though, jon glaser is pretty great any road, hope he's not just written out completely now. felt pretty disgusted with the ending tbh, i know they're all supposed to be horrible, embarrassing people but by christ are they horrible and embarrassing people.
the only proper good laugh i got was the sex scene when he tells her to look at the doll. sometimes have to remind myself that i'm watching a comedy but that was great.
even if it is a good few years behind nathan barley
That was the best bit for me. Seemed to trail off a bit after that. I was relieved it didn't have the Irish guy in it though, and hopefully Elijah will be moving out after all. He's funny but he can't stay, I'm afraid.
The junkie character was too much of a cartoon for this programme. They need to be careful about expanding the cast too much. The characters they already have are brilliant, just keep them.
he's really stupid and annoying and none of the other characters seem to notice
JAZZHATE, the gonzo journalism and Booth Jonathan's ridiculous artwork which Marnie either feigned enthusiasm for or genuinely though was good, I can't tell.
I enjoyed the episode though, despite not being as good as last week's high point. I liked the junkie character, I laughed a lot at the confrontation in the chemist!
would be nice to see a bit of character development thrown in at some point if it's going to stay enjoyable in the long run.
Even when coke/people on coke is/are being made fun of, it's still really, really fucking tedious.
As soon as she said she was going to do cocaine and then write about it I just let out a big sigh.
this was a great episode.
Taking the piss out of people on coke must be one of the few things as tedious as people taking coke in the first place.
Also, Hannah is so deeply unlikeable... realise that's the point, but still.
(Not the Hannah being deeply unlikeable part)
I thought episode 3 was brilliant
Andrew and Andrew! :)
Icona pop scene!
Hannah and the random dude talking at cross purposes on the dancefloor.
*I come here to buy socks* :'''D
The grimmest sex scene ever *Are you on the pill?* *ye...* *UNNNNH!*
It was like this giant crazy farce that just kept building and building to actually quite a sad moment of Marnie crying.
I love it
I also loved Hannah walking around in that top with no bra and no-one really commenting on it!
but the whole concept and structure of the episode was a bit meh
Either that or Weirdos Need Girlfriends Do (i.e. 'The One Where Adam Goes Crazy') from the first series.
The scene with Ray and Shoshanna in the train station was so sweet. One of the many things I love about this show is that it uses sweetness sparingly, so it's much more effective when stuff like that happens.
They could have just hugged/kissed at the end, but it was left open. I thought ole Jemima Kirke was good at the end, I like the way that she's all "I'm just a painter really" despite being a good actress too.
normally her acting like that is quite funny and cute, but it felt too much as if they were trying to reintroduce her i felt. the point where she realised ray was living with her was hilarious and she was great after that. i'm glad jessa actually had a story in this episode as well.
possibly one of the most genuinely poignant moments from the series. Really enjoyed this episode actually, I'm still not sure whether I actually like Jessa or not though.
Am I the only person that gets tired of the constant arguments? The arguments were pretty good this week but idk, just feels repetitive.
I'd mostly just like to see balance of people getting along occasionally - so if they do break-up/fall out, you can feel that something is actually at stake. It's why Ray/Shoshanna is by far the strongest relationship in it, for me.
there's so much DRAMA and almost no normality, it needs to tone it down.
that's the point (but yes I agree)
Well, obviously, you've been thinking a little bit about his butthole.
bad bit was Hannah singing Wonderwall in the bath. I hate that band.
You know why I like prostitutes? ... Because they don't fill my house with Buddha statues so that every time we have sex it feels like I'm being watched by a bunch of fat babies!
Thought he said balloons or baboons. Worth it.
I'M A UNICORN!
You're just some fucking dumb hipster who's munching my hay!
I love that sometimes the humour takes a while to sink in, stuff like that you only pick up after it's happened.
i liked that "marnie is too self involved to kill herself" line, was just tossed out underneath the rest of the conversation. i liked that.
All the best lines are slipped in, there's no pause for comic effect or build up and jit's only afterwards you realise how funny they are.
Is he in some 80s comedy or something? I really like his face.
We're starting to feel empathy for each of the characters one way or another... I don't like the way they keep killing off certain characters, Elijah, Adam and Sandy. I hope at least some of them come back in. The fallout from Adam getting arrested has serious comic potential.m
I like Adam but his neediness in this series was a bit tiresome and out of character I thought.
Thought Sandy was a bit naff too and kind of just there to ironically answer her critics. Elijah is too much. Great in small doses as on the first series.
from not giving a damn, to suddenly being super stalker was a strange flip.
Think they need to tone it down,,it's losing its impact.
it's supposed to lose its impact, like how you get used to seeing your partner naked. That's why her friends are all so comfortable around her having no clothes on, because it's not shocking or embarrassing. I thought the bath with her and Jessa was really sweet.
It's only ever her, well it was until Jessa this week. And we never see any of the guys completely naked.
because I knew that during the filming she was actually preggo in real life. I think the whole thought of a man playing with her milk filled mammary made it hard to concentrate on the scene.
The bath scene was super sweet though.
picked up on some of the great points: http://www.avclub.com/articles/its-a-shame-about-ray,91946/
Was anyone else surprised that Shosh is 21 and Ray 33? I had her at about 24, Ray at about 30.
Also just remembered Jessa took the dogs to the animal shelter :(
as in they returned them.
I'm sad they're not going to be in it any more!
but, they were so cute. :(
I kept waiting for something to happen and then checked the time and I'd been watching it for 21 of the 29 minutes and 4 seconds, and completely lost any faith and interest.
possibly the most difficult cast member to empathize with and in some ways it's almost frustrating to watch at points. This week's episode pretty much summed up why.
i really wanted to see what was going to happen with ray and shoshanna in this episode.
Except Shoshanna's flaw is just being a bit dim, so it's loveable. Marnie is by far the most irritating character for me, but I fancy the fuck out of Alison Williams so I kind of don't mind.
It was pretty damn tiring.
I'm a sucker for things like that though. Episodes which take you completely out of the plot just as you get into it and hit you with a load of 'themes' and self-indulgence. It happened in Breaking Bad, with 'The Fly', and The Sopranos, when Paulie and Christopher get stuck in the forest (not that you could compare Girls to either of these, yet, obviously, but I'm routinely fascinated when shows do something like this- it's becoming one of the distinctive features of the 'boxset' medium, and it's pertinent that it could never be done in film.)
It's true, of course, that nothing actually happened- but what the fuck really happens in Girls anyway? It shined a light on just how pathetic Hannah and co's lives really are. It's one of those episodes that is about 'nothing' but at the same time is intrinsic to the whole show.
Despite it's apparent singularity in relation to the rest of the series (it's obvious we're never going to see this Joshua chap again), I thought it followed on nicely from the final scene of last week. It's clear they spoke about why Jessa was so upset at some point, and yet Hannah essentially repeats Jessa's exact mistake- shacks up with a 'grown up' for the day just for the experience and gets surprised/upset when it's all revealed as a sham.
But yeah, a very good episode IMO, although it's apparent it's going to be polarising. It shows just how far the writing has come this season that they had the confidence to do something like that.
Oh, and I almost forgot as it feels like it was in a different series or something, but Ray's rant at the start was hilarious.
Allowing Hannah to be charming for almost all of the episode worked well I thought, and made her embarrassing herself at the end more effective. Also Ray was great as usual: "Pinko!"
and, I suppose, the fantasy of living there. I've certainly felt it when I've woken up in beautiful, hip places and felt jealousy and wistfulness to do with enjoying being in them and then leaving. Truly characterful houses like this are so rare for me to see, maybe when I get to know more (and wealthier? more fashionable?) people I'll see them more often.
I thought episode 5 was a bit boring. I like how she's willing to do one like that just out of the blue. But when you only get 30 mins a week it seemed like a bit of a waste.
The nakedness has lost all impact now, as a side point.
This was the first episode my flatmate had seen and he was a bit baffled about my love of it, understandably. If I was gonna go through all the episodes on DVD I can't see myself ever watching this one again (maybe just the first few mins for Ray's rant)
varied episodes. There was that one where she went a bit crazy at the nightclub which was the opposite to last nights which was a lovely measured episode; two people sharing a moment and a day together but knowing that that'll be it. An excellent episode.
The more it becomes interesting. As much as I felt it was laboured its made me reasses so much of what I thought about what Dunham wants to do and or show. And the nudity/beauty thing is a very keen point. I get what wishpig and nice-squirrel said up thread about the nudity, finally, I think. And yeah it makes you think about prejudices, as despicable as Hanna is.
really enjoyed the return of adam as well. some really hilarious lines in this one.
i really, really wish every episode was a little bit longer, like 10, 15 minutes or something.
I was worried we wouldn't see him again. I can't work out whether I like him or Ray the most.
This was probably my favorite episode so far!
I'm going to pay by cheque.
Loved how he turned Marnie's breakdown into his own breakdown. How many times I've seen that happen/done that myself.
Probably because she is too OTT and also an unlikable person.
Do you mean Jessa?
liked the phonecall at the end. poignant.
Tegan and Sara doing the closing credits music too.
despite it having a slightly melancholy feel. Good to see Adam is just as crazy\intense as ever.
Reminded me of the Louie Series 1 episode where he follows that kid back to Staten Island, and not just because of the location. They really captured the fractured dynamic between the Staten Islanders and the Brooklyn crowd. Kind of just highlighted how futile Hannah and co's lives really are. I guess that contributed to Ray's breakdown at the end, looking over at Manhattan, Woody Allen style.
Adam and Ray's scenes were absolutely perfect. And although they weren't really the focus of the episode, I thought that phone call between Marnie and Hannah was brilliantly done. I also liked how ruthless it was that Shoshanna just disappeared from the episode after asking to go the party. Marnie is pure evil, really.
Show just keep's going from strength to stength.
I'm just massively bored of seeing her in the nude. Its lost all impact and its just crap now. WOW YOU CAN GET NAKED ALL THE TIME. YOU'RE SO LIBERAL LENA CAUSE YOU'RE NOT SKINNY AND NOT AFRAID TO GET YOUR BODY OUT ON TELLY. WELL DONE.
This episode was a bit boringy. I don't like Marnie. She annoys me and is an idiot. I don't really like Ray *that* much either. He's okay. It was a little bit sad but not that sad.
I think I'm bored of this show now. Why do I keep watching it?
who cares? just watch the show!
But I've said that a lot, this season has been excellent. Brilliant John Cameron Mitchell cameo too, hope we see him again.
Less total unimportant crap than ever, but obviously still some
Ray and Adam's adventure <3 I liked how they're not going to come back best buds afterwards, they're just as weird and awkward as the girls are.
My other favourite/painful bit was Marnie smugly siding with Booth Jonathan berating his assistant, which made her downfall later in the episode even crueller.
Ray and Shoshanna have only been together for four weeks, seven since they slept together? I hadn't realised before that series 2 must have carried pretty much straight on from series 1. So Elijah as Hannah's room-mate really didn't last long!
His and Adam's interaction in this episode was wonderful, the part in the apartment especially. "[H]e'll lure himself out and I'll try to harness his energy" and "His owner must've had him on Quaaludes or something!" were top lines.
Prior to this episode I was completely nonplussed about Ray's existence. His strange lip and nasal whine were the cause of some slight irritation, but overall I simply thought, "Why are you here?" whenever he'd appear in a scene. But incredibly, this episode completely changed that around. It's taken 16 episodes for it to happen and it now finally feels that Ray has been given depth, and it was done in a really beautiful fashion. He's a real character now.
Marnie has been crushed. She no longer poses a threat anymore. Obviously, she and Hannah will no doubt rekindle their friendship by the end of season two, but for a brief, dark moment, as she started to cry, she became forerunner in the nominations of Character of Girls Most Likely to Kill Themselves (Adam is in second place, and his suicide would be more out of spite than desperation).
I thought they were both great, in different ways, after the cocaine episode bored the shit out of me. I loved Ray and Adam's bonding especially. Also the fact that it started because Ray wanted his copy of Little Women back.
I haven't read Little Women, but right after Hannah said "You'd be the dad who dies of influenza" my girlfriend said that actually that never happens. Which made me laugh. Maybe Hannah's never read it either.
if I'd been criticised in the past for not being sensitive enough to the nuances of racial politics, I probably wouldn't hang around with Lisa Lampanelli.
I didn't realise Hannah was making that up. Although I suppose she did leave it half-finished at Adam's house...
despite her being possibly the most divisive character in the show I quite liked getting a closer look at Jessa's background. I'm still not quite sure why her family seem to love England so much though.
as in skipping out on her etc... how she emulates him by doing the same to Hannah.
we might have seen the last of Jessa for awhile.
The actress is super pregnant.
she had her baby already
But that scene on the swings was insufferable.
where's the subtlety gone?
it showed Jessa dropping the facade of being so worldy and grown-up and risk-taking.
so that was cringey.
Also, like i say it just lacked any subtlety. Whereas previously the show said a lot more with restraint and looks, that bit felt a bit too obvious and clunky and would have been far more powerful if it wasn't writ so large.
but I do think/know that it can be pretty painful approaching an estranged father/daughter relationship, to the point that subtlety goes out the window, so to this regard I believed in it.
I thought you brought me on a sexcapade, that was fully me trying to have continuity with you and now I'm disgusted with myself and I need to dry my underwear behind the car
Right, so if Jessa's dad is Australian, is her mum English? Or did she grow up in England? And is Shoshanna related to Jessa's mum or dad? I hope we get to see Shoshanna's family next series.
I thought Jessa's dad was Noah Taylor for half the episode. He's not though.
I know probably all girls who watch the show feel like they're Hannah in some way, but this is the one that made me go *oh my god that's me!*, when she was so afraid of crossing the train tracks or driving dangerously. Felt like so many of my teenage years were trying to avoid dangerous things while avoiding being laughed at for not doing them.
It kind of felt like Tiny Furniture: episode 2
whereas this was beautifully lit chaotic hippy stuff, as well as small-town high-school like. I'm trying to work out exactly what it reminds me of...
The similarityes that I would point out are:
Just Hannah and Jessa (or Lena and Jemima)
Before they were at on girls house now they're at the others.
Lena has sex with comically loserish arseholes.
I worried about if Hannah had used a condom with Frank and then that reminded me about that scene in the tube in Tiny Furniture! (urgh)
Why did it go all Wes Andrson? Some great lines though.
I always pictured Jessa’s parents to be extremely wealthy, beautiful, conservative, transatlantic types, but with relaxed views on sexual behaviour and be dismissive of Jessa’s apparent rebellion against their relative austerity. Similarly to how I picture the parents of The Strokes. Of course, this would make them deeply unlikable people, but Jessa’s dad was a great character. I quite like the appearances of odd, relatively unrealistic characters now, even if some are quite, quite awful (Booth Jonathan).
I liked the location they were in as well (where were they?). It looked like a cross between paradise and purgatory, and that messy house Jessa's dad lives in was pretty nice and rustic. I would love if my mum or dad lived there, so I could go back every once in a while to visit them. Looked like a great place to spend summer.
I liked how Jessa's dad genuinely seemed a bit sad that her marriage broke up. But maybe she didn't want that, maybe she kind of did it as a rebellion against him and he didn't even really notice that he was supposed to be shocked/angry?
That place is going to be a hipster's toilet forever now
There was an honesty to how contrived and unpleasant he was. He didn't pretend to be anything different or better. Plus, his reverse tantrum in the wine cellar was my personal highlight of the season thus far. Even over Ray and the Staten Islander.
That's why he flipped Marnie's breakdown to being his own, because he has absolutely no awareness of what a dick he is to other people.
He's a pantomime villain. Unlike Hanna or Jessa who are teeth grindingly awful and yet were supposed to feel sorry for them
I think that's still the main thing about this show is that basically all it's central 4 characters (except Shosh) are all pretty terrible people and it doesn't really hide this?
poor Ray. Also, Marnie continues to surprise me.
It could have been developed a bit better.
Although I am pretty sure there was something about her masturbating 8 times a night in an earlier episode.
I remember thinking that was a bit odd at the time!
This episode made me really sad (apart from the happy Adam storyline). I felt like I was in the position of Hannah's parents, being worried about her. And now I'm sad for Ray for when he finds out.
That scene with Marnie and Ray was brilliant. *I'm going to make you retrieve that when you're less angry*.
Continuing your theme of everyone thinking they're Hannah, in this episode I was really reminded of my first year of university, where I was really stressed and anxious but couldn't bear to admit that I wasn't having a great time. *projects*
I really don't think it was that thought out.
Being a bit of a patronising dick at the beginning though.
But he's a patronising dick with self awareness. It's why we love him.
not least because if anyone deserves to find someone it's Adam. Quite liked seeing that different side to Marnie, she's actually become increasingly likable lately.
what different side?
idk, aside from her interest in art it never really seemed like she was truly passionate about anything.
all she did was sing reasonably well at Ray and not really understand him, after spending the entire episode being a complete dick to Charlie because he's become successful without (even because of) her.
she has a creative outlets and for me it showed that she is also at least interested in achieving things on her own rather than just drifting along and occasionally clinging onto people who are perceived as being creative or successful.
I still don't think there's much evidence of this YET
Apart from Adam meeting someone nice, I hated this episode. Far too autopilot.
Adam will be himself and that girl will either run a mile or fall for him deeper. Either way Hannah is clearly going to come running for him when this counting gets too much and as Adam is still in the series so I guess Hannah and Adam will get back together.. or She will fuck up his relationship with this new girl.
I find it hard to say anything beyond -
Bob Balaban has really written a series about a bionic dog?! I thought that was one of the funniest jokes in the episode!!
trying to be clever http://jezebel.com/5988956/if-people-talked-about-seinfeld-like-they-talk-about-girls?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
or actually like her. Wtf you're meant to realise she is being a massive baby over her ex being successful and not to mention all the other self entitled bullshit she comes out with.
The OCD stuff was really badly done. They could have at least had a subtle arc to it instead of no OCD last week, then this week its out of control. Also it felt like someone acting like someone with OCD rather than an accurate portrayal. I am aware Dunham said she had it as a child but her acting skills were lacking.
This was the first episode where the disjointed nature of the show bugged me. Charlie suddenly gets a job running a company with 12 workers and his own offices and Hannah gets OCD. Both feel like ideas thrown against the wall and will probably be forgotten by next week. They dont know what to do with the characters from week to week as theres no real narrative drive. No reason to have them all in the same place. Theres no reason for Adam or Charlie to still be on the show but because people like them they have to accomodate that.
Don't think it's a problem having Adam and Charlie, the idea is we're now in a post Big Bang type universe where all these relationships exploded at the end of series 1. But I agree they're just throwing darts at a wall a bit right now, and there needs to be a clearer narrative drive now. The OCD thing was really a bit embarrassing.
i mean it's nice to have a vague framework but i think a major part of the show is that the characters WANT their lives to follow a narrative and it's not realistic. every single character is grasping around for something and there's nothing there - hannah finishing her ebook will change absolutely nothing, marnie will never be a singer etc.
throwing darts at a wall is what the characters are doing - charlie 'making it' by developing some flavour-of-the-month app is a really bitter joke.
Narrative is the wrong word. Continuity is maybe what I am after. Character traits and story lines don't seem to develop, they're just one episode features and then we forget about them.
Charlie and Adam are largely still there because of their respective ex's though, that is still relevant.
wanting to sing is such a cliched joke idea, which is why Ray immediately dismissed it by saying *ok, what's your second idea?* But I do feel sorry for her even though she's a massive sulky baby who's clearly not going to have a future in singing. She got the idea from Elijah in the first episode, didn't she?
I wonder what Ray's secret ambition is? We know it's not to run his own coffee shop.
I'd probably be quite disappointed if he did have one as if they've all got secret ambitions to MAKE IT, it wouldn't realistic.
I DID because I'm pretty bored of this show now that I just look for minor faults.
I really don't like Marnie. The singing bit made me cringe even though she's a good singer and we're meant to stop and go WOW SHE CAN DO SOMETHING rather than her just being...whatever she does.
That's pretty much what she does.
She's the classic pretty, got her shit together liberal arts college graduate who has never really struggled in life because of how she looks and how organised and dynamic and career driven she is. Only now she doesn't really know what she's doing or wants to do anymore and the world seems very alien. So everyone is falling apart.
that's why her line about Charlie was so funny/ironic
(okay she is quite pretty but so unbelievably boring and annoying)
whats all this "we're meant to" / "you're meant to realise" bullshit? Is this how you analyze everything? Laaaaammme.
BUT Girls is supposed to be breaking the mould/fucking with the norm of TV shows focussing on women at the moment. They want you to be shocked that Marnie actually has a talent and isn't just a pretty face, they want you to realise that you don't have to be skinny and pretty to get fucked by a handsome stranger. They WANT you to feel things from watching these shows and they want to encourage you to think differently to how you're used to thinking. Thats partly the point of this TV show IMO. You're not just supposed to watch it and not think or feel anything about it. Thats what TOWIE and Made In Chelsea are for.
I guess it's just because you don't like the programme that much, you feel like they're trying to get a reaction from you which you're not feeling? I think because I love the programme so much I just go with it, because it's successful in making me feel a certain way.
Although pretty girls are ALWAYS good at singing in that ballady way! It'd be more of a shock if Ray turned out to be really amazing at opera singing or something.
she's not a talented singer at all.
I don't think we are supposed to think that about Marnie, not yet anyway, it was a thoroughly unconvincing performance
thought it was a bit off given everything else in the episode
would it work? I thought it sounded like a good idea.
but I don't think that it's an idea that'll really take off. Because of reasons:
1) How often do people actually drunk dial / text people they shouldn't? - it's a well known thing because it makes a good story but I don't think it's that common.
2) People secretly enjoy doing it.
ie I'd put it in her phone, delete it from my phone, but she had it in case I ever needed it again. Never actually DID any drunk dialling, but was always afraid I would. So I'd have had the app in my early 20s, but maybe not have made Charlie any money.
Really dark again, but at its best like that. Oh god Marnie signing that Kanye track was one of the funniest/most tragic/awkward things I've ever seen
Why does Hanna have to fuck everything up for Adam!
really hope shoshanna and ray lasts.
i think it makes the show more interesting giving hannah a "real" problem, in stark contrast to the trivialities which marnie is making a huge song and dance (literally) about.
The trivial bits are easily the most entertaining.
that suggests Adam is blameless
oooooh poor adam his stupid ex just had to accidentally bump into him on the street and SAY HI TO HIM thus fucking everything up by forcing him to get drunk and pretty much sexually assault his new girlfriend wah wah wah
The ocd was too sudden. As was the business success. Ray and Charlie went from being best mates, room mates, band mates, to bring total strangers pretty much.
Shoshanna's grating now. All the best characters seem to have lost the plot. Apart from Adam, whose story is now the best by far, and that end of episode was painful but superb. It feels more real than the rest, because its flowed well to reach that point. The rest havent really flowed at all for me.
I will stick with it but I hope it doesn't get too heavy. I looked how trivial all their issues were.
Fcking tablet predictions are always wrong
Easily the best television moment in the last few years. I had tears streaming down my face.
It was a little bit scary and somewhat distressing but also a fair bit funny to. Whereas in the previous episode it felt really contrived and ridiculous.
I thought the dynamic was really convincing, actually – they used to hang out together and now Charlie's got this big-shot company and Ray's still at the coffee shop, so Ray starts feeling resentful and making jokes about shitty beer that clearly aren't really jokes.
I was already kind of unsettled by seeing Adam drink again and then there were the events near the end...
Marnie's singing was brilliantly awkward, and I'm kind of curious where her and Charlie will go from here. Hannah's life seems to be spiraling out of control and it'll be interesting to see if anyone notices before it's too late. Rooting for Ray and Shoshanna, I really think they seem to improve each others lives, that and by the end of the episode they were one of the few rays (lol) of light left.
I thought Shosh was hoping Ray would break up with her so she didn't have to do it and hurt him, even though she's clearly not into him anymore :(.
I also thought it was the darkest episode yet - the bit with Adam and Natalya at the end was horrendous. Poor Shiri Appleby. That would never have happened on Roswell.
There were moments when I was grimacing in real life: Hannah getting the splinter in her thigh, the horrific sound of the Q-tip being forced into the ear, the drinking, the singing, the forceful sexual scenarios (Charlie shoving his dick into Marnie, Adam shoving his dick into whatsherface and cumming on her boobs), the Q-tip going into the other ear... I was so close to shouting out 'STOP' at all these times.
I liked the sarcastic medic tending to Hannah's ear.
I knew it was going to happen as well.
but great. The ear bud thing made me feel so sick, but it was so inevitable that Hannah was going to do the other ear :(
The Adam and Natalya stuff was grim, but so complicated, especially as we know that kind of thing was ok with Hannah, and to what extent he realised it wasn't with Natalya beforehand, and if it was pushing her away/punishing her for not being Hannah/trying to make her more like Hannah/trying to make himself be the undeserving person he thinks he is. Urgh.
The undeniable ray of light in this episode was changing the lyric to *I could be your white Kate Moss tonight* :D Marnie turning into David Brent.
I think Ray knew Shosh meant more than holding hands, and that he's just bluffing through feeling hurt/letting it sink in, because he wants it to go right so badly. I reckon that's going to blow up as the season finale, isn't it?
I can only see it as a YouTube clip.
It's on iTunes
the YouTube clip into an mp3 via some site. I'm not one for illegal downloads etc. (even though I just have) and so now will buy an album of his via Amazon or Emusic to keep a clear conscience. Here's the song anyway:
(I remember seeing that film with Swell Season. It started off like Before Sunrise then turned a bit dull. Anyway, this track is terrific.)
I don't think I've ever done that before.
Or anyone, reallly
you might be right next week too, I wonder if we'll see Hannah and Adam thinking about getting back together? Which would be a BAD IDEA.
I shoved a cotton bud in my ear right before watching the episode as well. I'm now very worried to cotton bud my ears as that just made me cringe and feel so very sick.
Marnie is just embarrassing and annoying.
Shoshana isn't as good as she used to be but I liked doughnut hair.
Ray is ok.
I don't see the big Adam fuss.
i really, really wanted ray and shoshanna to be able to work it out. i got genuinely sad when shoshanna was there at the bar laughing with that guy.
i hope hannah and adam don't get back together. adam wasn't what was missing from hannah's life which led her into her rut and it seemed like he had something great going with that other girl as well.
'I love like I love monkeys' :D
but i felt really, really sad at the same time
I hope he gets back with Alexi Wasser's character that he was dating in the first episode. Back when he seemed aloof and cool.
She was prettier, that was the point. But she was explicitly boring and not what Adam liked. So he tried to be normal and be like her and he realised he wasn't, that's not his scene.
Adam couldn't be himself with the other girl. Fair enough she was better looking, but she was trying to control who Adam was. It may not have been right for her, but that's how he is - something Hannah allowed him to be.
i hadn't thought of it that way.
but saying that I still loved it more than I love pretty much any other show.
Dark, funny and really entertaining. Even though the plotlines were predictable. Marnie and Charlie undeservingly end up happy, Shoshanna and Ray break up, Adam and Hanna outcrazy each other and then fall back together.
(well, Charlie anyway) The whole start of that scene was him pulling a face when she was going *we're settled! We're old fogeys!* I reckon he does love her, but he's in charge of the relationship now (whereas it was her at the beginning of series 1), he's finally cool and successful and having fun, and she sees them getting back together as the end of her story basically: no more drama again, ever, which seems to be taking it too fast. I reckon it'll blow up again next season.
If this series has taught us anything it's that Dunham sees happiness as temporary and relative
so at least they're happy for now I guess.
and gets away with it, just about.
sometimes this show is so very clever and cynically funny that when it turns really trite i sometimes wonder if there's some kind of meta-irony-clever going on that's over my head but then i think nah, it's just not actually as clever as it sometimes seems, and overall it's quite a disorienting and almost surrealist effect that makes me unable to decide whether i like it or not
possibly on two levels. On a more basic view it's a satire of typical romantic endings because it's two people who definitely shouldn't be together who are reuniting, and rather than it being too awkward-lovable people, it's two actually pretty mental people. Then on another level it is actually sweet after all because while Hannah and Adam are bad for each other they also do evidently need each other at least right now, if not forever. So while we shouldn't really be rooting for them in the long term, we are because we empathise with these characters enough to want them to be happy.
And that's why I love Girls.
it's not so much the earnest/emotional bits as the bits where the satire or irony or whatever just really misses the mark or seems a bit too enamoured with what it's trying to ironise or something. and also there's the thing where i read people on blogs getting mad about this show for some facile face-value reason and thinking, come on, you're not supposed to take this stuff in earnest! it's ironic and self-aware! and then i read people on blogs who like the show taking this stuff in earnest and then i feel like one of those overly ironic self-aware internet metapeople and maybe the people reading it in earnest have it right, and oh god the internet blogland overanalysis pulse is the worst and who even actually cares, and that's why i don't like talking about girls
marnie's singing scene was the best part, though.
all the other stuff on my Sky box is generic crime shows, or things like Spartacus or The Walking Dead. Girls was unique. Not always brilliant but always very good and as this long continual thread is a reflection of, there's always been stuff to talk about.
Very interested to see where they go with those relationships though.
I hope we get some solo adventures for ray next season.
although you would be forgiven for forgetting considering the last series.
Stopped watching around episode 6. Really,really started to hate it. Maybe I got old in the last year.
In a way I felt like Marnie didn't deserve Charlie, and that she needed to suffer a little more. Shoshana and Ray - I think the age gap became super obvious, Ray was clearly seeing life as a person in their mid-30s would, Shoshana loves pillows.
I felt a bit sad for Hannah when her parents completely left her high and dry. But, I guess that's part of growing up. The ending was lovely though, Adam and Hannnah saving each other was a nice way to tie things up.
because she's a terrible person
essentially returned to the same state they were in, at the beginning of the first season although granted there's been a fair amount of personal growth since then.
Either ways I really enjoyed the last episode and whilst I was sad to see them break up, I actually can empathize quite a bit with Shoshanna was coming from. I suspect it wasn't just Ray's cynicism that aggravated her but the pressure from feeling like she was the only good thing in his life.
I haven't watched it yet, but it seems really shitty for Hannah's parents to seemingly abandon her, especially after the episode where she meets Jssa's family and realises how unconditionally loved and supported she'd been by her family compared to Jessa. Hannah's parents have always seemed a bit strict, but not horrible people.
what I thought her dad was going to say (and what mine would have said) is *come home*. I reckon that might be the start of next series. Live at home for a while, finish the book without having to worry about day-to-day life and drama, save a bit of money. I reckon that'd be a huge dilemma for Hannah, but would be a good idea.
Oh god I'm basically writing fan-fiction now.
'How can I be manipulating you when I don't know I'm manipulating you' line was so brilliant
because Hannah constantly uses her parents as a crutch they probably are trying to make her more self reliant.
It seems like her parents were the only people she had left. Until Adam did the cheesy run to her. God that was terrible.
got big laughs
like shoshanna standing up and shouting and then immediately afterwards sitting down really neatly.
Season 2 started strong, then had a run of sensational episode on the middle, but eps 8 & 9 were kinda shit. 10 was good though.
I couldn't believe that I was enjoying the early episodes so much.
mine both involved Ray: It's A Shame About Ray (the dinner party one) and Boys (the Staten Island one).
I liked the return of Laird last night too!
Going to see Icona Pop tomorrow, I expect it to be EXACTLY like that scene in Girls.
Great final episode. Saved the season in many ways for me.
It was still a total mess with undeveloped, rushed stories that annoyed me slightly, but I still love it and can’t wait for it to come back.
I hope Hannah’s problem gets sorted out soon cos it’s a drag and incredibly boring. I like how she’s made the character so unlikeable on purpose, but it makes it difficult to sympathise with her. Especially when Adam is leaving that unbelievably beautiful girl to go and help her.
feeling I had last year
she really only cares about his status/money. Can't say its not believable though. I get why Adam and Hannah got back together but i thought the rousing music accompanying Adams rush to rescue Hannah from OCD was kind of cheap and didn't really fit the tone of the show. Something a bit more subtle would probably have been much more effective. The Ray and Shoshanna stuff is probably the most real and works the best. I find the cheap plot contrivances tiresome though(oh you're gonna quit, i have this new shop im opening which ive not told you about and ive now decided you're gonna be manager).
The show is a mess in a lot of ways but worth watching because i find Hannah hilarious and a pretty interesting character, even though the supporting cast is somewhat dull.
was because it's probably only short term, it's not really going to last, it's just the moment the series ends on.
that episode was shite. It was a little too easy and too obvious and sadly, cliched. Ah well.
I was a bit disappointed with the rom com feel of the ending. But I guess the point is that we know all the girls are making bad decisions but they feel like good decisions at the time.
I too really thought the Shosh/Ray stuff the most realistic too. Shosh is he most emotionally mature of all of them I think.