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I love you James Anderson
it'll be ok wont it? he wont get a huge score now will he?
smiths due a score : (
The saffers score soooooo slowly
150 all out again??????
will take anything less than 320 from SA though
I am at work again so must ask the question
are we bowling well? are they just poor? is the pitch doing allsorts?
also we need to be careful for the rest of the series because smith is due currently
no seems to be playing spectacularly good or bad. It's odd...I think....england are just ...................................better than SA ?
whoop lovely stuff.
SA just seem to have no dilligence or concentration, whenever they seem set they shoot themselves in the foot.
messy stuff from the saffers. kallis still in and boucher new to the crease.. could still make 300, but a great situation for england.
3 down in 2 overs, including that big shit Kallis
inevitably we'll now rack up 43-7
trott, you idiot
400 guaranteed then.
...this is wehere he needs to come to the party. He has never scored any meaningful runs when england have been up against it - all his centuries etc have been scored from a team position of relative security. Ole rat face needs to man up sharpish and prove his worth here*
*all this assuming that cook and collingwood don't put 500 on.
mr bell.. would mr ian bell please come to the crease...
it's all well and good him boosting his average when we play the Windies or Bangladesh or have a massive lead against someone, but we need him to perform when we're fucked like now.
how few will he get?
I predict - 21 runs.
this is torture
He will play one gloriously flowing cover drive that Vaughan will call the best shot seen all day, then get out not playing a shot to Morne Morkel.
he'll pad away an underarm full toss from Harris
10p a run?
cook's done a great job for england here. impressive stuff.
You still see the odd twitch, but he's starting to exhibit some great discipline in this series.
Which is great because I have such high hopes for him
A waste of space, walking wickets. Why not just pick another bowler as most of them seem to manage the occasional 20 too.
133-4 Tea, not too bad from 73-4 but Swann will be needed to get us in a competitive postition again.
his problem on this tour has been lack of time in the middle. chances are he'll get his opportunity in this game.
How come the lower order, (those below him, rightly or wrongly) have had time to score then?.
it's about how you play. broad aspires to be a genuine allrounder which means playing like a proper batsmen, not like a lower order slogger. swann is an impish, irreverent, sometimes genius batsmen, who hits the ball into unconventional places and drives captains spare. but his defensive technique isn't half as good as his attack is and you wouldn't want to rely on him to bat out two sessions of play.
broad needs time at the crease to practices being a proper batsmen, playing balls on their merits and asserting himself over bowlers, and only time in the middle during a test match can give him that. once he's got that and he's in the zone then he'll score plenty - witness his 40+ average in our home series against the saffers two years ago.
oh, and the rest of the lower order are a lot older than him so a lot more experienced...
it's just that he needs to stop getting out? He's still played higher up the order (which i do agree with) so has the opportunity to spend time there with better batsmen.
but that's sort of a given. my point is that batting at 8 or 9 you are either batting in the ascendency or in crisis. neither circumstances are really ideal for a bowler to learn to play like a batsmen. there's either the pressure to score quickly or an overwhelming sense of doom and futility.
76, 17, 67, 1
with 3 or 4 part timers, who can change it up if we need.
in the absence of a batsmen i'm not sure what else there is, pick vaughan as a specialist captain perhaps?
it sounds like the worlds scariest short horror story.
nice try belly.
WELL DONE RAT BOY.
it's all relative.
in Bell's career thus far, it's all too familiar. He's lucky there's no one else half-decent getting a look in nowadays...
But without Bell and Cook England would be staring down the barrell right now now
If Prior can add another 50 or so and bring us within 30 or 40 of their score, I'll class that as a result.
i'm just looking at the bigger picture.
What is this barrell you speak of?
We need to be emailing that. A lot.
I wish TMS was on every day, all the time.
what was it? Apparently he just gave out his email address, what a fool.
These two seem to be doing ok, but the new ball could cause trouble.
I can't describe it and do it justice.
but given that we're batting last on this pitch i rather think that the saffers are still well in front. it'll be interesting to see what prior can do tomorrow.
shame about losing swann and anderson so early though.
good knock from prior at the end. if we go down it won't be because of the 18 run deficit but because today is likely to be the best day for batting.
come on saffers. we just need one more collapse...
we're clearly doomed. i expected by now.
Prince is having a nightmare.
So I can sneakily watch this at work?
An unlikely figure has offered to help Michael Owen in the Manchester United striker's bid to claim a place in Fabio Capello's 2010 World Cup squad. Former England cricket captain and United fan Geoff Boycott has written to Owen suggesting he try the ancient Chinese art of Feng Shui after the Test Match Special commentator utilised it during his recovery from cancer.
You'd have loved it.
Well I never.
And I never miss an excuse to post this, just to laugh at the photos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Boycott
Could you imagine Boycott in a modern ODI?
And imgine being one of his 7 test wickets. You would literally never hear the end of it
in a limited overs game for Yorkshire, just so that he could show that he could, but never played like that before or since.
I do like this bit: "(Boycott) often bowling wearing his cap turned back-to-front to assist his vision."
I think there should be a photo of that up there, or at least a really poor sketch of it.
South Africa to be stupid enough to bat on until tomorrow lunch and we hold on for a draw. Being the most defensive side in test cricket, there is a chance of this.
I'm pretty sure we're doomed.
Hmm, maybe they may bat on for two more days. Can't really see them chasing any more than say 300 ish, even if the pitch and weather stay good.
...but they won't need to at this rate. They could rack up a 450 run lead and still have 4+ sessions to bowl us out. I reckon they'll want 5, though, which'll mean a decent enough lead anyway.
but still a cunt.
boycott's into feng shui. he's giving a lecture on TMS right now.
in other news, broad and anderson are ball tamperers. interesting.
jimmy could end up facing a disciplinary and a suspension at the very least.
can't find it anywhere online.
nothing in that whatsoever. not seen jimmy's indiscretion.
Three days now. Bloody thing.
We're fucked in this game, Kallis will hit his 34th test hundred, we'll get skittled for less than 150, Jimmy's getting suspended. I have lost anything approaching confidence now. 1-1. We'll lose the series 2-1.
Jimmy is saved! We're gonna fightback and draw this game! COME ON ENGLAND!
we wouldn't have got in this mess in the first place. Drop him i say. Make an example of the cocky fucker.
i don't think the icc need formal complaint to investigate if they want too. i think the saffers are just backing up a little because no one's entirely innocent and it could come back and bite them in the future.
apart from the phone, that's almost certainly CMJ. he should be chucked in the thames.
But my earphones are on the blink and the Live Text feed is down. AGAIN.
about 15 minutes ago.
Check BBC website this morning to see they've won! Crazy.
But was it entirely necessary to have a South African commentating on TMS? Goddamn that's the world's worst accent, isn't it?
Or that Gerald bloke?
but I don't think we can really complain about south africans coming over here and taking our jobs
Of the two, I much prefer de Kock.
...who fucking deserve to be chucked out of test cricket for that performance.
have we got enough evidence to prosecute yet, or do you reckon he's being framed?
What's their email/text number?
but there's another personal address that might be more effective.......
Did you hear him saying that Mrs Boycs was complaining about all the emails he was getting? Lovely stuff.
but he seemed genuinely delighted to have got a load of nonsense in his inbox. he's supposed to be commentating now apparently but has buggered off. i love him
If they only leave themselves 4 sessions it gives england a glimmer of hope.
any less and it'll only take one or two good innnings from, say, strauss and king nurdle. why are they doing this to me?
this is absurd. I'm not paying my license fee anymore.
and landed two deliveries on top of the considerably high nets. That is all.
england best go for it or else. 150 for 1 or 2 by close, with Broad hitting a 50-ball century after tea tomorrow to seal the win. JOB. DONE.
we need bell to be on 21 from 154 balls by the end of play, and strauss to get 50+, then i'll think about it. if we lose any wicket today we've gone
so 145 in total. We'll need to score runs so we don't get stuck trying to defend for 4 sessions. Even at a fairly average rate, we'd be in a position to go for it after lunch tomorrow. We won't though obviously. We'll be 7 down by the close tonight.
a Kevin Pietersen double century
"The longest Test on record was between South Africa and England in Durban, South Africa. The game started on 3 March 1939 and play continued on the 4th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 13th and the 14th. Play was scheduled for the 11th, but none was possible because of rain, giving 9 days of actual, and 10 days of scheduled play. By the evening of 14 March England were 316 and 654 for 5 chasing South Africa’s 530 and 481 needing just 42 more runs for victory. But England needed to leave Durban on the 15th to catch their boat home, so, despite being a ‘timeless’ Test, a draw was agreed. England’s 654 is the highest score ever recorded batting last (beating the next highest by over 200 runs)."
withing seconds of CMJ reappearing the phone goes off. Im starting to think it's not a phone but something far more sinister. Not sure what
"all you people snowed in in england should've come to cape town. nice two weeks, have a holiday, watch the cricket."
He's right - i'm such a fool! will he ever stop talking sense?
SHIT JUST GOT REEL.
mind you, you'd exect nothing less erudite from a wednesday fan
tomorrow could be a great day (but not for my girlfriend).
'I've got a girlfriend' post.
Trott's due a double hundred
Sa have won this now
Bell's due a career-defining innings, surely?
he just referred to de Villiers bleating about the whole tanpering thing as 'a bit pork chop'. Amazing.
need these two to bat until tea at least, no getting out for a duck please collingwood
i've given them an hour to respond then warned them i'm going nuclear (emailing boycott).
I got no response. Boycott needs to prepare for an emailular bombardment.
if i get them i'll post them up here
4 runs off 50 balls? fucking brilliant.
WHEN WE SAVE THIS TEST?
and therefore stopping England losing every foreseeable game with your 'tempting fate' posts.
ONLY 2 SESSIONS TO GO. I'M EXCITED! DANCE WITH ME VAMOS, DANCE!
only 62 overs to go. daunting stuff but damned exciting. hoping to get sent home early so that i can catch the conclusion.
We nned to lose only one wicket in the next session I reckon, Colly is nestling in for an innings of Boycott esque fireworks here.
Speaking of dull batsman does anyone remember watching Mark Taylor bat towards then end of his career zzzzz
Them all seem oh so determined to play with gay abandon regardless of the situation
England trying to save the last day, Collingwood in averaging 1 every 2 overs, the whole of Britain has fingers crossed Bell doesn't fuck up...
I do want England to save the match obviously.
But I also want Ian Bell to get out cheaply just to (hopefully) put another nail in his selection coffin.
A couple of overs ago the ball hit the boundary rope and one of the stewards - a black dude - caught it.
Totally unselfconsciously Shaun Pollack on the Sky commentary refers to him as 'the boy'.
"I don't know what's gone wrong with the West Indies now. Back in the 70s fast bowlers were falling out of coconut trees"
They fell too far out of them, landed on their bowling arms, never the same afterwards.
...Steyn hat-trick coming up!
You are confusing me, its like an odd good cop bad cop routine
I'm only on the cricinfo text updates, but it sounds like some a phenomenal display of fast bowling by Steyn...
In other news, Boycott just said 'Give me a phone, let me tell Smith to get Kallis on'.
GIVE ME A PHONE? YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY THEM YOU SHIT.
I've watched Bell/Collingwood block out so many maidens that when I shut my eyes the image of a strawberryblond batsman with a shortbacklift blocking is left impregnated on my retinas.
This is tense.
squeaky bum time
Can anyone outdo me?
like with I, Claudius
I like it.
"This puts me in mind of a Monty Python sketch. You could easily replace Collingwood and Bell with a Chesterfield and a Washing Machine," says Alex H. "They'd score at the same rate and probably be more interesting to watch."
and then in response:
"Gripping as it is, a washing machine is very good at handling a Steyn," says Tom Forbes.
there might be more depending on how fast the saffers bowl.
Don't they have to get in all remaining ones by 3:30, so they'll have to go some to get them in.
Is this return of Bell actually the time when he plays to his potential?
they play 'til the light goes or the captains get bored, whichever goes first
as I still feel responsible for Bell's dismissal in the first innings when I suggested it could be his return to form.
Athers and Jack Russell batted for 8 or 9 days if I remember correctly.
1939-03-14 - Highest fourth innings total to draw - 654/5 - ENG v RSA Durban (also the longest test: 10 days, and the highest match aggregate: 1981)
1979-09-04 - Highest fourth innings total to draw (in a 5-day test) - 429/8 - IND v ENG the Oval
218 eight ball overs and two balls which is 291 six ball overs
England would have batted longer and probably won (it was a timeless test) but had to leave to catch the boat home.
it was this test:
if there's still wickets in hand. 19 an over is doable.
I wish someone would have a word in his ear about the commentator's curse though
"Well he's needed them in the past" :D
Surely they can't balls this up. 11 and a bit overs left.
That is dicipline
Thanks a lot.
Kiss of death is "Colly have saved this test, this is over"
I was merely commenting that scoring 40 runs off of 184 balls is an almost inhuman level of discipline
colly goes, an hour left
I'm still quite calm. Prior is almost as good as Bell.
Rereading that last sentence, maybe i shouldn't be so calm.
Oh fuck. Prior's just gone.
Boycott just went on yet another Paul Harris rant...
please god no
so 10 and 1 bit overs left - if these are used up before a certain time, is there a length of time that the game will go on until?
smith will just put the entire team within a foot of the batsmen. Well done bell and colly for scoring at less than no runs an over for 5 hours.
I'm the only one keeping us in this, ice, baby.
grim smith just dove headfirst into harris' thigh, almost knocked himself out
but he's holding together nicely still...
You absolute moron.
Get the fuck out of this thread.
you say is "This is going alright," or, "They're looking good out there."
Quick update as of the time of typing: 282-7 with a minimum of six overs left.
and then it's either down to the light or the captains agreeing a draw. the latter might be out of the question now, though it's probably worht strauss asking.
Obvs Smith wouldn't have gone for this, although maybe strauss should have asked him? The light sounds(!) ok, so i'm going with bobbygeorge...
that Tom Fordyce is about approximately a million times better than those smug and boring goons Stevo and Cheesey what do the footy.
that Andy Bull, Rob Smyth etal are about approximately a million times better than those smug and boring goons Tom Fordyce and whasisface what do the BBC coverage.
Alison Cheeseman is the only decent live-texter that the BBC have.
you can see the players and everything
that is all
Fordyce et al used to be ok, but now they just spend the entire time e-wanking off numerous hilarious contributors and coming up with bad puns. They're about 15 minutes behind the play as well. Cricinfo or nothing for me.
I wasn't saying Fordyce was great, just that he's better than the rest of the tedious dross.
TBH all "wacky" live text updaters can fuck off with their stupid "personalities" but I can't watch the tv or listen to radio at work.
just gone, I'll be heading over there now
Probably not successful...
Broad has gone.
2 wickets in 3 overs............
WIll they review????
just then.just in time to witness ridiculous shout from saffas. They're getting depserate.
Borad gloved it. I'm just gonna shut up now.
I promise I'll listen to all your songs on myspace if you NO the next 4 overs
ohh ohhh ohhhh GRIT BINS.
I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN
I KNEW IT
this situation is ian bell's fault. not pietersen's, or collys, or priors. it's definitely ian bell's fault.
MAN MARRIES SCAPEGOAT
but if you can't blame colly then you can't blame bell.
18 balls to go (by cricinfo time)
for Bell to play at that, fuck
COME ON YOU GRAEMES!
massive shout by the saffers but no review. They knew it was high.
Ball stuck in onions grill. bizarre.
this is killing me
I can smell you from here
so nervous I can't spell...
I was ACTUALLY sat on the edge of my seat chewing my finger-nails.
My leg won't stop shaking.
I stopped working about 20 minutes ago. Someone is gonna come over and say something soon
but noone's stopping me watching. I think they understand.
come on onions!!!!!
or noone's told him the run-chase is off.
My housemate just told me England drew when I was still agonising over it on BBC updates. Silly bitch.
In other news, YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! EAT THAT SAFFERS!
I have chewed a plastic pen apart
i'm bricking it.
:D :D :D
test cricket is fucking brilliant.
WONIONS! ZONINO! CRICKET! Nelson Mandela! Diplomatic Immunity! Francois Steyn! Charlize Theron! The fifth wife of the President! Your boys took a hell of a drawing!
My heart is still racing.
Brilliant work Graemes!
That was phenomenal
someone pass me a cig!
We've been utterly outplayed AGAIN and have scraped a draw. Hopefully the jubilation of saving this match will not hide the fact that we are not playing good cricket at the moment and things need to change.
Amazing advert for test cricket though, good job.
aside from the monster stands from smith & co on the 3rd day.
1st innings they bowled better
Second innings they batted far far better
Second innings they bowled better
I'm sure we were better during the odd session, but for the most part we were second best.
short memory. did you watch the last test match then?
but that's just because there's no-one knocking on the door to challenge the likes of pietersen and broad. We lacking in the bowling dept. imo, especially in the absence of a decent all-rounder.
Great result though, and we cannae lose the series now, which is always a nice position to be in against the cocky saffas
why do things need to change? why replace broad and pietersen, that just stinks of knee-jerk reactions. how good do you think we really are/should be? best in the world? cause we aren't and doubt we will. doing very well at the moment imo.
because no-one else does. We need someone to put pressure on his place - at the minute (unless we go down to 5 bats) there isn't anyone. It's not knee-jerk, he hasn't looked 'the old KP' since before his injury. Yes this was a good result in the circumstances, but that doesn't mean we should be happy with our performance over 5 days. We've been a decent team for a while now, and have set standards for ourselves. This match and the one before last (and previous to that), some of the team haven't been up to those standards. We should push on and try and be the best we can, not accept weaknesses in the team just because we're not losing. Why can't we be the best in the world? We're not that far off, surely? Player for player we're not that far away at all.
As i said thouogh, there isn't really anyone to challenge the likes of KP and broad, so not much can be done on this tour i guess.
He's certainly not performing but every batsman goes through bad periods and the truly worthy ones always come back a better player eventually. You have to see the potential in Pietersen even if his attitude and approach is sometimes quesionable. Even if there were other options I believe in stability rather than chopping and changing. Only last week everyone was calling for cook and bell to be dropped, and look at them now, amongst the higher run scorers in the series!
There is always someone in the team who will underperform, that's the nature of cricket - especially with batsmen - and I know KP has not been in good form since his injury, and I get frustrated by him immensely, but to drop him would disrupt the balance of the squad.
Player for player there is not much between australia, india, south africa, us and maybe sri lanka and i would say that after years of crumbling against better opposition, especially away from home, we should see this series positively and not make rash decisions. How long has KP really had to recover in test cricket? 3 matches? He even made 80 in one and his undoing was an ill-advised run rather than bad technique. He'll come good, no point changing the team when we are ahead in a test series away against the number 2 nation in the world who are two points behind first! Keep the balance of the squad the same until the summer and see what's what then. Pushing on doesn't necessarily mean changing the team, stability is best for us at the moment, especially after the chaotic last few years regarding coaches and captains.
We can indeed be the best in the world but it requires patience and longevity. According to the squad we have, and on current form we are looking likely to beat SA away, Bangladesh home and away, and Pakistan at home, which would take us up the rankings no doubt.
To win away in SA would be a terrific achievement and despite any weaknesses we may have I think we are looking upwards, not downwards.
at home, at a ground that they almost never lose at. Either they bowled rubbish or we batted very well.
the fact that we were 9-down (on a generally very placid pitch) with a couple of overs left suggests they were the ones very much on top though.
Anyways, hopefully things we'll be put right for the nest test and we nail them 2-0. That would be very sweet.
was in today. I really do. Haha! Fantastic!
take that Yappies.
I'll just stick to "village burners" next time.
BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY BARMY ARMY
excuse caps lock
okay, we've scraped through again but that's the kind of match we would have easily lost a couple of years ago. up against it, but managed to grind out a result. GRIT.
otherwise we'd have lost that!
was ready to apologise to everyone.
England have drawn three of them nine wickets down. Some sort of record surely? Or is it all an ICC conspiracy to make test cricket seem interesting again?
This goes all the way to the pentagon
It wasn't that long ago when we used to consistently lose games like this.
England can't lose the series now. This is especially satisfying after being told that England were just lucky in the Ashes(umpiring, weather, timwasting etc) and were going to get a total hammering in SA.
Big credit to Collingwood, Onions and especially Bell, who probably played his best and most important innings for England (so far).
I love the fact we celebrate a draw like a victory in cricket. Bloody well done swanny and onions !
that we cannot lose this series now. if we were to come away with series wins in both the OD and test formats then then that would be a hell of an ahcievement.
but my reply isn't appearing. Fuck knows where it is, in another thread probably.
If you reply to a post mid thread, you have to do a 'hard refresh' before you can reply to the original post.
always the sign of a popular thread. I still continue to click on 'don't ask me again', but they never listen :(
pretty nasty, aggressive interview of andrew strauss on 5 live...not good listening!
"So you said something to Graeme Smith there...what was that all about?"
Strauss immediately went on the defensive saying it was nothing sinister, just that he congratulated him for his innings yesterday and also to commiserate after today.
Nothing too bad, but the interviewer did go on about the ball tampering and alleged bad feeling between the two sides for perhaps a bit too long, given that England had just secured a tight draw.
especially considering Strauss was immediately defensive saying 'it was nothing sinister', when quizzed about his chat with Smith.
I can relive the drama of the last hour knowing that it all works out ok. Beautiful.
I pretended to need the loo, snuck off and listened to it on my iPhone. Gotta love technology...
Great highlights up here for those of us without Sky:
For those of us who were interested in what that 12th man looked like!
Good article up here.
Reminded me that I HAVE to go watch a Test Match this summer.
The Twelfth Man site says applications are closed.
Will there be some on general sale nearer the time from experience?
You should easily be able to get tickets for one of those Tests. Find out what grounds they are being played at and go directly to their site (it may just link you back to ECB though)
Also, does it specifically have to be an England Test? Because Pak are playing a 'home' series against Aus in England in the summer (because teams refuse to play in Pak now after the Sri Lanka team were shot at). You could almost certainly get tickets for that. I know I'm going to buy some tickets for one of those Tests.
It'd just be nice to care a bit more about who wins and who doesn't.
Cheers for the advice. Probably not on sale for months anyhow but just wanted to start having a look around...
I know the MCC ballot for Lord's tickets is open to applications already (definitely go the the lord's or MCC site for this, I've already entered the ballot). Be prepared to pay a ridiculous amount for tickets though.
If you want to know dates and venues, here's the itinerary for the Bangla matches:
and Pak matches (against both Eng and Aus):
I also have Pakistan tickets for the Oval.
There was pre-ballot opportunity for tickets at Lord's, I posted a thread and it picked up zero replies.
you should've waited until England had just scraped a draw to get people interested.
The Lord's and Oval Tests against Pak are in a weird order this year aren't they? The Lord's Test is the final one of the summer. Odd.
I'm all confused as to the dates and order, I think I may be going to a Pakistan Australia game too. Bangladesh is really soon as far as I can remember. Maybe later this week...
Best seats on day 1 or 2 = £90+
Best seat on day 4 = £50-70
That's quite a difference?
my advice (although I'd rather not too many people take it) is to buy day five tickets for the Oval (and Lord's). They are usually between £15 and £20, not balloted and not too member restricted. I usually get to see a couple of sessions at least, apart from last summer but I did get to see us beat the Aussies at Lord's and had broken my foot so didn't miss missing the final day at the Oval.