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I miss Richey :(
i'm totally listening to the greatest hits cd RIGHT NOW
Poor, beautiful Carol.
Any want to go scab bashing?!
And what was up with your hair?
they had a guy being interviewed today (a minor from the strike), who when asked whether he would speak to a scab nowdays said, "no way. once a scab always a scab". i hate people.
when someone doesn't strike, my God they get hounded. People are told not to look at them etc.
they are siding with the bosses against the workers and actively harming the strikers attempts at collective bargaining. In the bosses/workers relationship, the only 'weapon' the workers have is to stop working. 'Scabs' directly attack the effectiveness of this technique.
It seems pretty clear why in a highly charged us vs them situation scabs would be treated harshly. Why wouldn't they use every tool at their disposal (including shaming, shunning) to try and prevent people doing it?
read some history
i just never understand mass "no YOU are...no YOU are" fights, fighting "to the death" and all that. the government are cunts, nothing you or i can do about it.
throughout the last couple of centuries striking and collective bargaining did more to increase the standard of living of people all across the world. Without it we'd still be working 80-hour weeks and then being sent to the poorhouse to die. These improvements didn't just happen, they were taken through active struggles and efforts of people just like you and me.
I agree that these days it can get pretty petty and I was turned off by the 'british jobs for british workers' strikes recently, but the tool of striking (including shunning and judging scabs, as a part of making it operable) is one of the only ways conditions have ever gotten better for working people. Laughing it off and saying 'grow up' is easy to do now we have protection under law and suchlike, but I think it's a pretty dangerous mindset for people to adopt en masse.
didn't mean to be, just something I feel strongly about :)
^ my entire point
The workers should show allegiance to the union, not the greedy bastards that pay their wages! We need to stick together. People shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions, they should listen to the mob; the mob always knows best!
That bastard Sean's been eating too many sandwiches again. Too much money will make a man fat!
Rebel Tom, rebel! You have nothing to lose but your chains! Leave the website for dead!
It's utter bullshit.
but historically, striking has achieved massive improvements in people's lives. It's easy to sit here in your 40-hours-a-week health-and-safety nationally-insured life and scoff at it, but it would be quite a different matter were circumstances like they are currently in many other parts of the world or like they were here 100 or 150 years ago.
Obviously it is complicated and cases should be taken on a case-by-case basis.
The original point was that someone couldn't understand the shunning of people who are 'scabs'. My point was that this is very simple to understand in terms of group psychology and collective bargaining.
We should all be living in the past! So what if we have health and safety and employment law now? It's still 1985 in my mind, nothing's changed!
you sound like you read the sun.
you're basically arguing that people should just say 'fuck everyone else, i don't care about anything except making money for myself'. that is why people cared. striking is basically the one way unions can exert real influence. people went hungry, struggled to try and exert that influence to save their jobs and their hometowns, and it was undermined by a minority. if you can't see why people might be quite upset by that, then jesus, thatcher really did win the cultural war, didn't she?
Characterising a group of people that were fight for their livelihoods, communities and families simply as a ‘mob’ is a little reductive. I’m not sure that you understand the perceived damage that strike-breakers are/were seen to have caused in these towns.
There’s also the fact that non-union members of staff also enjoy the same benefits that were won by those that have paid their subscriptions and fought for better rights and sometimes lost wages if they’ve gone on strike. I get wound up when people (especially those that work for local councils) are more than happy to take the pay deals that have been won by the unions, but at the same time are unwilling to support it or its members.
people weren't striking for the fun of it. they were doing it because they were going to lose their jobs and have their communities basically destroyed and they wanted to avoid that happening.
Don't work! Bosses love it when you prove yourself by not turning up for work! That'll learn the bastards! We should do the same during the current recession!
it's be pretty cool if you just stopped posting.
i guess not
but i can understand why they do, because what happened in the miner's strike, the ultimate defeat and the effects that the closures (both in the mines and in the other industries that areas like south yorkshire basically depended upon, like the steel works) had still touch people's lives massively. it isn't water under the bridge by any means.
i'm not even necessarily saying that the decisions taken at the time weren't right on the whole, but when you look at what it did to these places, to act like it doesn't matter is just wrong. what happened still matters to people for fairly valid reasons.
but you know, shit happens (sorry for that phrase). whats the point of going on and on and on hating someone forever?
How dare they want to earn a wage to feed their families! No sense of loyalty, that's their problem. They were meant to show blind allegiance to me! How dare I be questioned!
when i was a kid and i liked he-man and i used to stand in my nana's living room and shout 'by the power of grayskull i have the power!' she would shout 'by the power of Arthur Scargill i have the power' so i just wanted to say thanks for the power that you gave her even though she's dead now i'm sure it was appreciated, kthxbai