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playing Britain and France in the summer, according to some radio show.
the pumpkins are overated
Underrated more like, I don't think it's ever been cool to like the pumpkins, they never got good reviews,but they're the only band from thhat whle era that I don't now consider completely shit.
been cool but always been great.
your mouth out with soap!
but as i said on another board, i'll believe when i'm stood in a venue singing along to Today and crying like A BIG EMO KID.
Did they ever get Darcy to agree to it? I know 'ol smacky Chamberlain and Iha are in, doubt very much Auf Der Maur would fill in any more. Still, a good thing...probably.
news to me..
so, er, a "grade a" source for reliable information no doubt.
I am excited x 90090 billion.
from when he was hosting a drum clinic up north...so I hear, like.
he just said he'd been in email contact with him, nothing more..
might be me. or something.
a full on in-it-for-the-money cash in so their will be a chance they will just play their classics properly. Smashing Pumpkins were my favourite band from 1995-2000, but everytime I saw them was a crushing disapointment. They'd either just exclusively play songs from albums they hadn't released yet or they'd 'reinterpret' their old songs rubbishly.
in that they were never afraid to push their own work forward, if it worked or not (and sometimes it didn't). this is what makes them fantastic as far as i'm concerned.
as a question, though - why bother keeping going to see them if you knew they weren't just going to play a hits set?
they were my favourite band and I had hope. The worst bit, although the best gig of theirs I saw, was at the dominion 2000 they were doing 'ava adore' and in the midle corgan went 'in you I count stars...1...2...3...4...5...6...7..8..19...20...21...22...23...24 etc etc etc
I was not amused
It was truly excruciating! I was sat next to that snappy bassist from Feeder, even he was looking embarrassed. For fucks sake, FEEDER.
Pretty damn fine overall, apart from playing a bit of Teen Spirit for a â€œlaffâ€?. Oh, and that murderous David Essex cover. Jesus, Corgan really is a shameless piece sometimes.
the sludged up versions of disarm and rocket on earphoria are fanfuckingtastic.
have you not seen the reading line-up thread!!!
and I never listen to them anymore. Zwan and Corgan's pathetic solo album (albums? who cares) put paid to that.
And it was definitely 'cool' to like them at one point, My Gay4, round about the time Today became a massive MTV hit, right up until Adore. Quite a while then..
Today was before my time I got into them around '95 I'd say the backlash began around '96, just after the keyboard player died and Jimmy was kicked out acording to my bible of cool at the time that was kerrang! dunno about before that but since then i've never seen a review that doesnt mention these words "bald, pretentious, pompous, overblown, self-indulgent" etc
i reckon their loud/quiet contrasts, not only within songs but within a set, would work really well
It was never cool to like the Pumpkins in this country... Everett True in particular (who was at the Melody Maker at that point IIRC) absolutely hated them.
I, on the other hand, loved them:
love them, and will be among the first to get a ticket if this happens (fingers crossed big time)
like it if they just did Siamese Dream.
Its absolutely perfect. I've heard earlier tracks, and they do sound fairly heavier, and Mellon Collie sounds much 'softer'. With SD, they got the balance so right, its pretty amazing.
Bar track number 2, I love it to bits.
Soma = bliss.
Disarm you with a smile, and cut you like you want me to, cut tha little child inside of me and such a part of you, ooo.oooooo.ooooooo
it has some of the pumpkins' heaviest songs ('where boys fear to tread', 'xyu', 'fuck you' etc).
and track 2 on sd is 'quiet' isn't it? that's my favourite, let's have a massive fight etc.
i never got to see the pumpkins - i only had one opportunity and i blew it. however, if this "reunion" happens and it's just billy, jimmy and some chumps, i'm not sure if i'll go...
Mellon Collie is not at all "softer", and you really can't write off Adore at all as it's a fantastic piece of work.
Hell, I've even warmed towards Machina, which it wasn't SO BLOODY LONG would be a lot better.
must be misjudging it entirely then (Mellon Collie).
I put it on to go to bed once, and I remember most of the songs had big string sections in, rather than just 'meat and veg guitars'.
The heaviest stuff they ever dids on that album. But it's got the quietest stuff as well. But it's definately their best album. Muzzle was the best song ever for a while.
it has their heaviest stuff on it, but also some of their softest.
the original plan was for one disc of electric stuff, and one disc of acoustic stuff, although obviously that never happened.
you presumably just heard the first few tracks, which does include lots of piano and strings, but then has jellybelly. and bullet with butterfly wings. and.. yeah.
adore is a stunning album, as well.
"If it wasn't so bloody long it would be a lot better" applies to all of the SPs albums after Siamese Dream, IMHO (and I say this as a massive SPs fan).
someone really needs to tell corgan that just because a CD can hold 74 minutes, it doesn't mean he has to fill it.
without any basis. It's annoying.
and what does 'fairly heavier' mean?
it pisses you off, my juicy friend, I'm gonna do it MORE AND MORE.
So what does 'fairly heavier' mean?
But not unfairly so. Like still with the same strength gravity, so it's comparable. If james blunt was in a black whole he'd be heavier than Lightning Bolt.
Who says bands have one day?
I say they will still be valid...
be ridiculous, fullerov.
What the fuck does it matter if they are 'valid' or not?
The fact is, they are SO uncool at the moment.
i know Wrighty cares nothing for cool...
this tour was confirmed, wrighty would buy the tickets as soooon as he could.
I'll still regularly put on Gish or Adore. And about half of Mellon Collie and Siamese Dream are classic tunes. But based on Corgan's solo work (& Zwan) I am not hopeful for SP 2 to be anything more than embarrassing. I hope I'm wrong. I seem to recall really enjoying their live show, but of course I haven't seen them since Corgan lost his hair. Verdict: I'll buy tickets (but won't pay $100+ to a broker, nor will I go if it's an arena show) and any new album (though it'll probably end up as another CD drink coaster). SP were a great band; fingers crossed!
Zwan could have been great.
MSOTS is still a solid 7/10 album.
theFutureEmbrace.... well it had 2 good songs...
The first time I saw the Smashing Pumpkins, they were great. The next time I saw them on the farewell tour, they were gash.
So, if the'yre back for another bite at the cherry and have a bit of drive about them, it might be a good show/album.
But if they've come back out of short term nostalgia ("come on baby, it'll be just like it was before, in the beginning...") they'll blow.
do you mean what we call a tout? broker sounds much more respectable! there should be a new word coined. how about 'cunt'?
Broker is a bit too respectable. ;-) Our slang for 'tout' is 'scalper'.
the whole thing was a cynical marketing ploy... as the news handily coincided with the release of Billy Corgan's solo rubbish?
I don't think it's a particularly good idea.
next year if people stop believing they'te about to reform. I like them, but have only ever listened to Gish in full. I only have bits and pieces of the others.
Still think i'd go and see them