I'll Be Your Mirror 2012
Slayer Playing Reign in Blood, Mogwai and Guided by Voices as headliners, May 25-27 at Ally Pally. That's pretty good, but why can't they bloody well play at Butlins, eh?
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http://www.atpfestival.com/events/ibymlondon2012.php
Also....
...CODEINE, fucking CODEINE.
SERIOUSLY?
OMG.
lol Slayer
omg ATP have booked Mogwai!!
I sense this means
Guided by Voices are nailed on for Primavera/optimus porto thingy :)
Will probably go to the Sat/Sun days of this, can't miss Mogwai. i was very annoyed at myself for missing this year's event.
Absolutely Cracking
Sleep, Slayer, Melvins and Codeine. I'm on board.
Haterz gonna hate etc
oh wait, it's not even really in the summer this time
that + 1 stupid headliner + 1 headliner I've seen a bunch of times already = meh
i
assume changed for guided by voices to play primavera as well
nah, like everything else, it'll be because of the Olympics and how much that'll increase the summer tourist invasion generally
see also: Field Day
i'll go
Mogwai, maybe Slayer/Sleep double bill.
Guided by voices, no unless they add more amazing bands
sounds fun!
I went to the last one, it was great. Only downside was not as many of my friends were there like they are at Butlins. So hope they all come.
probably going for the saturday
did sunday this year and 12 hours in that building was great, but don't think I could stomach 30-odd
Yo ATP
Can you get Karp for Friday? There's a doc coming out about them and everything. Cheers
THIS or Big Business.
Might go to the GBV day
All these bands are pretty much a shoe-in for Primavera now, right?
The only thing that could improve this line-up
would be adding Lou Reed and Metallica... hahaha.
I'm there
Hoping that Fantomas might play as two of their members are already there :)
Slayer were totally awesome at Sonisphere \m/
worth seeing just for Tom Araya's comical facial expressions.
They've been getting shitter and shitter over the years.
Never been much of a fan myself, so I went to see Black Breath at Sonisphere instead.
guess that rules cashflow problem out as reason for the mangum postponement
Wonder what it was.
Really hope there is a seperate codeine gig
although I guess this could be going on sale early to get some cashflow to pay for march if their costs for may arent upfront
Already seen Slayer play Reign In Blood twice
I think this makes me older and less cool than you guys. Still, looks inneresting!
GBV! Back in London! playing ATP!
I knew it had to happen one day...
Dear ATP,
That's an amazing line up, and I'll quite clearly be going, but in future, can we stick with Butlins please? Ally Pally is a right twat to get to from SE London.
But yeah, GBV, Sleep, Slayer, Codeine, the 'gwai probably justifies the arse ache of the night bus home.
night buses are annoying
but surely it's easier to get to North London from South London than it is to get to Minehead. Imagine the night bus from there!
(sorry, I'd probably be the same if it was in South London but I live in Crouch End so can WALK home, brilliant).
Yeah but at Minehead I can stumble back to my chalet or worst case scenario, fall asleep on the beach.
With nightbuses, I invariably drunkenly fall asleep and wake up in Kent. I'm not looking forward to this happening three days in a row.
Worst case scenario here = fall asleep in Hornsey.
You'll be fine.
I live like 30 mins away by bus.
Highgate win!
from South East London
you Londoners, I dunno.
NOT THIS.
This will be my first ATP "festival" because I can't afford to go to Butlins most(all) of the time. Gives me a chance to see bands that ATP have been hogging in recent years i.e Sleep.
The ATP site is being weird for me.
Can you buy tickets for any of the three days individually? Only fussed by the Codeine day.
yeah
you can buy tickets individually. £39 for the Friday, £59 for the Saturday/Sunday.
it's pretty overloaded at the moment
sorry - but as below day tickets available and there will be early bird weekend ones
Cheers.
Do you know if
they'll be tickets for IBYM on sale at the ATP pop up store in London next week?
looking into that now
i'm thinking no reason why not
Answer =
Yes we will at face value.
Brilliant
Thanks for checking
What is this?
.
http://www.atpfestival.com/events/nightmare2011/news/1111081123.php
Hmm, still don't like the idea of non-chalet ATP but reports from this year were decent
Even the Friday alone might be worth £39 for Slayer+Sleep+Melvins+etc. Can't get too excited about Guided By Voices, or Mogwai and Mudhoney for the umpteenth time though. Think ATP should probably just be once a year, at Butlins.
Main question is whether they're still solvent come May. Don't think I'd risk putting my money down yet after the Mangum debacle.
Have GBV played ATP before?
no
Don't think so (umpteenth referred to M&M)
Just...meh.
no, not as far as I know
but I always thought that they should. No GBV/Bob show in London since ULU in 2003 as well! That's a lot of records later... :)
How do you propose they guarantee they aren't going to go bust?
What a daft question. Can someone also confirm if it will rain on the day please? Thanks.
No
That's a pretty amazing line-up
Slayer?
What the fuck? Slayer seems a really odd choice, I dunno why, but it does.
odd aka amazing
they're the thrash band popular with indies
*everybody
this must be it.
I do like slayer a lot (well, did, haven't listened to them for a long time) but it just seems like ATP trying a bit hard to be something they aren't.
They should have put the big 4 on.
Or Black Sabbath - aren't they 'back together'?
Fucking hell
First ATP are criticised for being too predictable, now it's "trying a bit hard to be something they aren't". No wonder they changed the date of the Jeff Mangum weekender just to piss you all off.
see also: people complaining about being predictable, and then
complaining about being stuck with tickets to the MBV weekend when an ATP featuring only bands who had played before went on sale.
with that one it was for me it was entirely the principle rather than specific line ups
It was very oppurtunistic and disregarded those who already bought tickets that could afford both who may have prefered the other one (not sure how big that group was but think theyd have the right to be annoyed and others to agree with them)
didn't piss me off.
and don't really care that much, just seemed a little odd that's all.
It's been crying out for a metal ATP for years.
you miss the melvins/mike patton curated one or something?
nah I was there,
it wasn't really metal though was it?
(I had a great time mind)
that would only be relevant if the people who complain about the samey line ups
are the same people saying this, probably a little overlap but mainly 2 different groups entirely so not a contradiction at all
Thanks for the heads-up
Shhhh...
Not until Friday.
and Sunn O)))
sunn 0))) arent metal though
no? Even Encyclopedia Metallum believes they are.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sunn_O%29%29%29/612
Yeah they kinda of are...
this looks amazing :o
This sounds amazing
Like, really amazing.
Friday should be hilarious
Especially if loads of hardcore Slayer fans turn up and rub shoulders with the limp, librarian-looking indie fucktards dressed in cardigans.
There undoubtedly will be a lot of sneery shit
Like this. Or maybe some people will turn up and get on with it.
Those well known twee indiepop bands Sleep and the Melvins
Slayer <3
I've been waiting for them to curate an entire (or at least half of a) weekend at Butlins for ages :(
£59 to see Guided By Voices...
:-/
I really don't want to moan in an ATP thread, and I'm not directing this at ATP or anyone really, but I just want to express personal disappointment at this announcement.
People were incredulous when the Stone Roses were charging less than that for a ticket to see one of the most long awaited reunion shows of all time. And I'd expect they will put together a supporting cast of five or six similar and well known UK acts of the last 20 years too. I'm not going to that because I can't afford that either. But yeah, I can't afford to buy a ticket for this at the moment, as much as I love Guided By Voices.
I assume with GBV being headliners that they won't be doing any other UK shows (and certainly not any other London shows), and this will probably be the only chance to see them in the UK perhaps ever again.
I hope I'm wrong and they do regular shows elsewhere for a more reasonable price. For instance I happily paid £15 for an Archers Of Loaf ticket. That seems about right. Maybe £20 knowing you'd get a decent support or two and a full on 2-3 hour GBV set in an intimate venue. I can't imagine they will get that long at an all dayer trying to cram bands in, and with a crowd that aren't necessarily there just to see GBV.
Alternatively I hope they book a lineup of at least seven or eight genuinely brilliant acts that I may have chosen to see individually to make the ticket price seem a bit fairer, and there are still tickets left by the time they announce this. Not Yuck, who I could go see for free pretty much whenever I want.
£170 or whatever for ATP at Butlins / Pontins is a justifiable expense as you get a fun weekend away with some mates and Butlins turns into a wonderful mini indie-rock enclave. It's essentially a little holiday and the music, in a sense, is almost secondary. £130 for three pretty incongrouous gigs in three days in London is just not an attractive proposition for me. And £59 to see a gig that shouldn't even be half the price of that in the real world is not either.
Based on last year's day splits, I thought the vfm was pretty high
http://is.gd/t7U4vM
ie, whilst none of them are Ally Pally headliners
on one day you've got PJ, Company Flow and Doom, all of whom could headline the Roundhouse (as well as an undercard of great stuff), and the other you've got Godspeed, Portishead, Beach House and Swans (as well as an undercard of great stuff)
You're right in general terms
But I'm not one of these people that loves music and loves loads of bands. I don't really like many bands at all. Certainly not many bands I'd pay actual money to see. I hold no resentment towards ATP, they have done nothing wrong here. I was merely expressing my personal opinion about the situation.
For instance, I doubt a lineup will be put together where I would actually pay to see all the bands individually (resulting in £59 being cheaper than the net total of the individual gigs), and even if there is, it would probably be a case of cherry picking which gigs to go to, where the net spend on tickets would probably not exceed £59 anyway because I wouldn't be able to afford them all. Essentially for me this is £59 for a Guided By Voices show that should be more like £20 at a much smaller venue, with a longer set.
I'm sure (or would at least hope) a lineup would be put together that in general terms, for the majority of people who would attend an event like this, would be worth £59. If not, then they are in trouble because there won't be the demand for tickets. But that's obvious, no?
In conclusion : I should probably shut up and get a real job.
Hang on my second paragraph doesn't make sense
This isn't what I meant.
£59 will probably turn out to be good value in this unlikely scenario and I would most likely save up for a while and buy a ticket. But my point was if the lineup all played seperate gigs I'd have to cherry pick anyway and probably end up only going to one or two because right now I can't afford a one off payment of £59 either way, I'd probably end up spending more like £15-£35 with the ticket purchases a few weeks apart.
However, this is a hypothetical scenario that almost certainly wouldn't happen anyway, especially looking at how the lineups tailed off into relative obscurity at last year's event. Though I guess they would have been paying PJ / Portishead more than GBV so perhaps they can curate a lineup with a bit more of an even split. Though maybe they aren't. Who knows.
Guess I'll wait and see.
As a counterpoint to this...
...even though only 3 bands have been announced for the Friday (Slayer, Sleep and Melvins) you have to say that already represents tremendous value at £39. With c. 6 more bands to be announced, you can't knock the value of that (and I don't even LIKE any of those bands).
Regarding the Sunday - you'd have to put a decimal point in there before I'd consider paying to watch Guided by Voices...
Yes this is exactly what I mean
£39 is probably in general terms very good value for those three bands with the promise of more similar bands too. Not for me though as I wouldn't pay to see any of them.
I'm not saying that it isn't potentially good value in general terms. I'm not having a go at ATP. I'm just disappointed it looks like I'll have to shell out over £60 if I want to see one of my favourite bands when I was expecting if they ever came over to be paying at most a third of that.
AND that I simply can't afford that outlay right now
and probably won't be able to for the foreseeable future.
Fair enough!
I understand your disappointment. Although, don't worry, it won't sell out for a while so you should be able to put £10 a month away November - March and then be able to afford it. And if it sells out before then at least you'll have £40 to buy something with. This early doors announcement works in your favour :)
Seems your cashflow problems and ATP's aren't too dissimilar...
theyll play other shows
Cant think of any bands that have reformed and only done one festival gig, might have to wait abit longer. I know #60 is a lot if you are only interested in one band but if theyre youre favourite its not an unobtainable amount, maybe ebay some stuff or something
Three lots of wrong here
1) They have been reformed since last year and played America a lot. They flew over to do one show at a festival in Oslo in August, assumedly for money they couldn't refuse. I can't see them doing any other shows in the UK, at least not on this visit as it would compromise the attendance for this one. Getting them back for another visit will be difficult as Bob Pollard hates flying and a whole regular tour probably wouldn't net them as much money as this one show. The reunion probably won't last longer than 2012, though if the two new albums being released this year are good then I'd like to be proved wrong.
2) They aren't my favourite band. Though they are one of my favourite bands. I'm not sure there is any band where I'd pay £60 to see JUST them, especially when the market value for one of their shows is at most a third of that, as in this case.
3) This is a silly argument. For instance, I doubt if Guided By Voices were charging £30 for their new album or £45 for a T-Shirt you'd be saying "just pay it dude!" so why should a gig be any different? Not only that but a gig in a huge impersonal venue where they won't be playing a set as long as they would have done at a regular gig.
1. was just basing this on past atp reformations, cant think of another high profile one that hasnt done gigs as well at some point 2. ok misunderstood thought you said favourite 3. buying a t shirt or album is different from an only chance of seeing your favourite band but was basing that on my wrong assumption of them being your favourite band
I guess you are right about point three
...and I probably will end up buying a ticket. But that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed that I'll have to fork out £60+ for it :(
i've begrudgingly paid over the odds before, you may regret not doing it more than doing it
potential sources of free money: switch your band account to one where they give you £100 for switching, get a credit card that gives 5% cashback and do all your normal spending on it, matched betting, see if your due any tax rebates, sign up for local focus groups
My band account
Depressing. That one is definitely well in the red after five years of underachievment!
I doubt purely commercial considerations will come into this
The nature of this event (ie, no accomodation) means that it'll likely only attract people from London / the metro area. There'll be some people that travel down, no doubt, but London isn't a cheap place to stay, and the area the venue is in isn't overrun with commercial accommodation, which further counts against it.
If the band want to do anymore, well...
I hope you're right and they do a little tour including a show for £12 at Concorde 2 in Brighton
This would make me very happy. It won't happen though.
If you book them, they will come
definitely would be cool if they'd do some club dates
but frankly I'm not sure you could convince Bob Pollard to come over for that anymore, remember he had given up on touring full stop not that long ago. The fact this show is happening seems a minor miracle to me, I'd kinda given up on them ever coming back...
earlier in May in london you can pay just £50 for 3 days of really groundbreaking legendary acts who DON'T play every single ATP/anywhere ever and are musically outside of ATP or most people's comfort zones:
http://www.thewire.co.uk/articles/7871/
(i'm gonna see slayer tho at least, if not the rest of IBYM ^_^
better link aka not the wire
http://www.secondlayer.co.uk/live-info.asp
weeee
shall be going to this also then :D
^ it's exactly this that put me off going last year just to see Company Flow
Bands who reform solely for festivals = don't.
Question re: Friday
Is it going to be a full day (ie about 12 'til 12) or an evening type deal so people can go straight from work (like Supersonic)?
Think it said,
4-11pm.
Wunderbar.
May I also say that I really hope Codeine do their own shows
I would definitely go see them. Looks like, from the statement on the ATP site, that they may well be.
I played a solo show supporting Chris Brokaw (and Geoff Farina) last year, they played to about 15 people. Depressing. Glad he'll be playing to a few more here!
They're the metal band the indie kids pretend to like. See also: Mastodon.
What are you, 15 years old?
Quote Unquote
.
:D
I love how this has ended up here.
Codeine - the metal band indie kids pretend to like!
Ha!
I was quoting Mr Masculinity, up there. Sadly the quotation marks didn't seem to work.
He was referring to Slayer, not Codeine, obv. x
sounds incredible
hopefully i'll be able to get last minute tickets once i find out when my degree show is going to be.
CODEINE <3<3<3<3
Sounds like a great line-up
but having wasted 150 quid (on travel, not the ticket) and 5 days of holidays on the xmas one, i'm suddenly not that keen. Did they ever give a reason for cancelling it?
No, they've chosen not to so far
I'm intrigued by this again
This years was superb.
I do question the sense of the 3rd day mind. Unless the days are so diverse and people only go to one or two, then Itll be hard to summon up the enthusiasm to make that journey 3 days in a row. It's a pain to get to, back from and miles from any hotels. I didn't mind overly doing it the once last year. But count me out for a trio of post tube journeys.
This looks really fantastic
Strange timing though with the Mangum ATP being re-announced today. Can't help feeling like a lot of Londoners might now just get a refund on the tickets and go to this instead.
Do you think the day tickets will sell out fast?
And when do you think more bands for Sunday will be announced? I do really want to see GBV but £59 for a ticket seems a little steep. I need to decide if the other bands that will play on that day merit that price for me.
didn't
sell out this year. Doubt next year will quickly, if at all
Same concern for me, but with Codeine
who are rumoured to be playing headline shows around that time, apparently ... But then I don't want to risk not seeing them.
Codeine's gonna be epic.
3/4 years ago there were probably 5 bands i wanted to reform more than any;
mbv
gybe
nmh
codeine
lte
the balls in your court, jtp.
early birds on our store have gone
but still some on Seetickets
I've got my early bird weekend ticket already. I'm just curious, what
percentage roughly of weekend tickets are early birds?
Bands from this starting to show for Primavera now
Including GBV
Fingers crossed that Yo La Tengo make the trip the other way
They'd be a great addition to the GBV day.
Dismemberment Plan
would be a nice, welcome addition.
GBV splitting has made up my mind about Sunday
Friday 25th May - curated by ATP
SLAYER performing Reign In Blood
SLEEP
MELVINS
WOLVES IN THE THRONE ROOM
YOB
+ more tbc
Saturday 26th May - curated by Mogwai
MOGWAI
DIRTY THREE
CODEINE
MUDHONEY
CHAVEZ
FLOOR
BALAM ACAB
+ more tbc
Sunday 27th May - curated by ATP
THE AFGHAN WHIGS
ARCHERS OF LOAF
THEE OH SEES
YUCK
DEMDIKE STARE
SISKIYOU
Not really bothered about Afghan Whigs or any of the other additions.
Not bothered about Afghan Whigs?
Crazy talk.
That Sunday has just got ridiculous. Ri-dic-u-lous.
Is that Floor as in the former members of Torche? Holy-moly this is a good lineup.
well happy with Yob being added.
Floor also!
not gonna go to it all though, if anything just Friday. Hope Floor play some more dates
bump, for theo
Fuck me!
Friday just keeps getting better, YOB and WITTR! Please book more doom, Shrinebuilder would be nice! Dale will already be there :D
Seeing the Afghan Whigs
Has been one of my gig life ambitions.
Definitely going.
holy. fucking. shit.
I *have* to go now.
I wonder if they will use the big hall for Sunday?
The Afghan Whigs were playing the like of The Astoria/LA2 in their heyday (if you could call it that) and tickets weren't exactly scarce.
That main hall at Ally Pally holds around 8000 people...I don't think their stature has grown THAT much since? Same with GBV I guess.
This is starting to look quite good.
I'd go to 2 days out of 3 so far.
BUT WHERE ARE FUCK BUTTONS AND SHELLAC!!!!!!!!!!11
Chavez!!!!!!!!
At last!
Been waiting 15 years to see em.
Dirty Three whoo
Thee Oh Sees
excellent.
Erm...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/dec/08/afghan-whigs-reunite
WTF is going on with GBV then? ...ooooh I don't care, I prefer Afghan Whigs anyday, bollocks to the indecisive Pollard and crew...!!!
Anyone know of any cheapish...
Hostels/Hotels near Alexandra Palace? Want to get this all booked as soon as.
Selling 2 Sunday tickets below box office price!
Hey all, I'm selling a two person reservation for Sunday (Afghan Whigs) for 110 pounds (Box office is 126 or somewhere near there). If interested, message me.
Thanks.