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no fuckin way
Hope set fire to flames reform too
you pass up Beardmare Before Xmas and Nightmare Beardfore Xmas for THAT?!
i'm pretty excited about this. i'd rather a Godspeed reformation than an ATDI one, at any rate. i can see the former being good, whereas the latter sucks in 99.3% of all thoughts i have about it.
going to play on the main stage?
the thought of actually getting to see gybe excites me. the thought of seeing them play in a shopping center doesn't.
reading the press release it appears they will be on the smaller stage.
count me in!
Bowlie 2 and GY!BE?
used to be a big godspeed boy back in the day. that said, i can't help but feel the line-up announced so far is still very similar to pretty much all atp line-ups. do curators choose all bands?
Bardo Pond and Deerhoof are the only ones on there that have played recently.
its in the right place now.
not that I like the same stuff over and over or anything!
choose loads of acts that aren't collectively 'big enough' to pull in the required crowd? seems like there's always a balance of smaller acts amongst relative big names, so presumably there's some sort of guidance given? or does it just naturally happen that curators realise the need to have some 'big names' on the bill?
but generally no bands are SO indie that they won't include at least a few crowd pullers
while you're here jamie: are there more bands to be added to the matt groening event, or is the lineup complete now? apologies if this has already been answered somewhere...
just asking, that's all.
it was cancelled because it sold so poorly.
are fucking stupid.
(points to you all) FUCKING STUPID.
I suppose Godspeed would be worth seeing too, for those coupla good songs they have...
Nice work ATP. I'm there with several thousand bells on.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D <--- x 1,000,000
I think it's Gods way of reminding me that my record collection still needs work. I usually have on average about 10-20 records by bands selected by the organisers and precisely 0 of their own output.
Hence I'm excited for you all right now but strangely unable to share in your excitement.
really proposing that Barry Hogan is God?
...because it's the middle of winter.
Still up at stupid o'clock. Stunned by this news based on Efrim's comments at the London ASMZ gig. I wonder if he's not joining the bandwagon? Still v. exciting!
I don't think he was as central to Godspeed as people assumed he was just the most vocal, efrimless projects like set fire to flames and hrsta sounded way more Godspeed than asmz ever did and they haver mike roger and david as past guitarist so they could easily play without him, hope he is onboard though what did he say in London?
Also says they will do some uk dates
a throwaway comment. Someone shouted out bring back Godspeed and Efrim replied "You bring back Godspeed. It's not that hard, just four chords ... and a really long runway".
Not really serious but didn't sound like someone who was thinking of getting involved again.
I think you're right about his importance to Godspeed, I'm not sure they were ever "his" band in the way that Silver Mt. Zion are.
but having bought bowlie 2 tickets maybe this ...
is there a way of getting a discount if I bought all 3 having bought 1 already Jamie?
for people doing all ten days, look for more news very soon
this is the best news to wake up to
When I was at uni around 98/99 I can honestly say that my 3 favourite artists were Pavement, GYBE and Belle and Sebastian and yet I'm feeling pretty indifferent to the idea of these bands coming back from long breaks / reforming for ATP so I've only got tickets for the Groening one now.
Maybe it's just because I'm old now or that my music taste has really widened or that I fell out of love with ATP over last December's fiasco but unless there is some genuine variety on the bill I'll pass on December.
Being ATP, they had similar-ish line-ups and so loadsa people on teh internetz got annoyed because *they might not have bought the tickets if they'd known there was going to be another one!!1*. In many ways, their lives were ruined forever.
The rest of us just thought, "oh look, there's another festival I can't afford to go to, ho hum. Good job it doesn't actually affect me", and then went and had a good time at whichever one we had tickets for. Some have said we deserve medals for our bravery and stoicism in the face of having-to-go-to-the-festival-we-chose-and-paid-to-go-to, but personally a little mention in the Queen's end-of-year list would be enough for me.
I don't care if the rest of the line up is utter shit (and in my opinion it, as this very early stage, is. Don't hate on me, I just don't like anyone else that happens to have been confirmed), I have to go to this.
Crescendo rock like Godspeed, Mogwai, Explosions in the Sky etc. sounds horribly dated and studenty to me now. I grew out of that stuff when I heard Fennesz and Stars of the Lid so hopefully TH will do some dates around that time.
i've always thought godspeed's recorded output had so much more power and atmosphere to it than the vast majority of other 'post rock'. people writing them off as boring are either lazy listeners or trying way too hard.
or maybe the EP. They're subtle, tense and the voice recordings really add to the paranoia of the music. The debut also doesn't have much in the way of crescendo on it and I do still go back to that one occasionally. After that, and presumably as a result of having to connect with a live audience, they fell into the quiet, loud, louder trap and stayed there. I remember seeing them for the 5th time (I really did like them) touring Yanqui UXO and my friend and I realising they were flogging a dead horse and leaving early.
The set at ATP in 2002 was good though. As I remember it was a marathon 2 hours with Do Say Make Think, people were lying on the floor taking it all in which seemed to be the best way to enjoy their music. That was 8 years ago though...
they mix up the crecendo stuff with more abstract pieces
you may find theres more than just the crescendos you liked at the time, i think they have pieces that rival those ambient/drone types you mentioned, the bits i used to see as boring filler are know some of my favourite
I will do that today and see if it throws up anything new.
lift your skinny fists. thats the one.
On a much better stereo than the one I had when I was 21 it sounded great. ThingsThatFly was right, there was a lot of good stuff on there outside the crecendo stuff, I know it's meant to be 2 suites but maybe if each new 'riff' was given it's own track on the CD that stuff would've stood out more. The last 4 minutes of track 1 that remind me of Providence from Daydream Nation is lovely, as are the the first 7 minutes of track 2 where they keep it subtle and add some good found-sounds into the mix and the last 4 minutes which has some nice bowed-cymbal work that reminds me of Pauline Oliveros.
There's still loads of crescendo there that, although much better than Mogwai and EITS, still sounds boring to me. I remember an over-reliance on this stuff live as well. They mostly played the regular gig circuit where the subtle stuff just gets talked-over, even the early stuff had added crescendo live.
to me at least...
because FA#oo was always this dark, scary record which made you feel guilty for listening and Yanqui was them just sort of going through the motions (that said, Motherfucker = Redeemer Pt 2 is one of their strongest songs).
but i always found Lift Yr Skinny Fists to be the most engaging and rewarding one...those first seven minutes of Storm never occurerd to me to develop into a "crescendo" as such, but the parts just keep rolling on and it still to this day leaves me breathless. The whole record (perhaps with a slight admission to finding the last few minutes of Storm a bit tiresome) in my humble opinion is one of the finest experimental/"post rock" records ever made, certainly one of my favourite releases over all. to me they just never ticked the quiet/loud box and always kept themselves different and interesting.
shame i never saw them live...i'll do my best to go to ATP or more likely, one of the shows...ATP bands usually play in and around bristol before the festival so fingers crossed : )
so it's a crescendo. The impact of repeating a phrase and getting louder with added instruments has just really dulled for me over the years, I've heard too much of it, but like I said there's lots of good stuff to listen to around those bits.
I'll go too if there's a Bristol date or if someone monumental gets announced for their weekend just for old times sake. I'd love the promise of a Low/Godspeed collaboration again but both those bands played ATP in 2002 and it never happened so I won't hold my breath.
Godspeed still sound fantastic. As does Mogwai's best stuff.
The Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place is still brilliant. EITS's other stuff might not all sound too great now, but that record is still fantastic.
I take back studenty, at the risk of offending 90% of DiS but Mogwai and EITS are dated. Total 1 trick ponies. I'm sure EITS only make music to license it to science and nature documentaries.
It's a very good trick and I'm happy to see them repeat it over and over.
Pretty much every other 'post-rock' act bores me stiff these days (EITS, This Will Destroy You and all the others I used to like etc), but with Mogwai there's something which carries over. Their music has a really lyrical and emotional quality for something instrumental. Maybe I'm just a pussy.
But it would be pretty weird if he was to do two big sets of gigs around the UK twice in a year.
He might do, and it'll be great if he does, but I'd have thought it'd be one london show at the most.
£20 and £10 off offers are limited.
deposit scheme is also open from 9
Probably the greatest live band i've seen and my most missed. Thank you!
hrm. i might skip the ATP but the fact that they will play live again makes me extremly hard between my pants.
having problems booking? saying there aren't enough allocated yet or something?!!
Why do tickets go on sale pretty much immediately after the curator is announced? I know ATP people must get a bit bored of having anonymous internet types question their business practices, but I'd certainly have appreciated a few days to sort a few mates out for a chalet and stuff.
if you've got the money/credit card, then chalet first, mates later. You're surely not going to have any trouble filling a chalet for this?
It's not the greatest injustice in the world, I just wondered if there's a practical reason for it. I can't imagine there is, but then I'm not involved in the organising.
and it would be silly to not put tickets on sale at the same time?
Press interest would complete dissipate if the announcement was made on, let's say Friday, and tickets went on sale on Monday or summat? Don't buy that for one second, especially not for a festival with a very established fanbase.
just didnt happen with this one
"OMG it's Godspeed! I have to get tickets for this now before it sells out in 5 minutes flat!!!"
Relax people, they aren't Pavement.
Think about how quickly stuff disappears off the front page of sites like DiS and Pitchfork, makes sense to capitalise on that. ATP is just one festival among hundreds, it's not like Glastonbury where the tickets going on sale is an event in itself.
My totally unscientific analysis would suggest that about 2/3 of ATP punters are the established fanbase, they still need to sell tickets to other people on the strength of the curator, plus with so many events now they have to sell the individual festivals that little bit harder to the regular ATP-goers, hence all the buy-now! early discounts etc..
I had the cash to do this after Bowlie 2. Going to be a good week or two before I can afford to do it either. Bah humbug.
have a chalet.
Roll on christmas!?
But the thought of seeing them live makes me want to cream myself.
am very excited. all my cynicism regarding reformations has mysteriously vanished.
there's a sort of unquestionable integrity with Godspeed, their affiliated bands and the Constellation label. It's hard to believe they are doing it for any other reason than thinking they still have to lay Godspeed to rest, which I think is what this reunion is all about.
I'd always thought that Godspeed was still alive, just not doing anything until they had something worthwhile to say. I am sure that was the original statement they put out when they put it on hold.
But I guess, yes, this is a reunion of sorts - and possibly why I don't feel the same about it, because it was always a potential way off in the background.
Special bands get special rules!
I saw them in 1999 or 2000, in London with Sigur Ros supporting. They were really good then, played all of Slow Riot I remember...
It was 2000. I remember it was meant to open with Fly Pan Am but they were really late because of a ferry or something, Sigur Ros played a really short set and Fly Pan Am didn't play at all. It was my first RFH gig and I bought front row seats thinking it was a really good idea and didn't see a thing because the stage is so high and GYBE sit down to play.
but I remember the ferry mularky. I quite liked sitting down at the RFH, though I was about halfway back and could see fine.
They didn't want to fly from Ireland because they wanted to take the scenic route - hence the ferry hold-up. I remember them coming on ludicrously late (about 10) but being brilliant.
to people coming to both, either or none of the december festivals...
this is amazing, but i dont know if I should book a chalet (friends maybe not so easily persuaded by Godspeed) or just wait until they announce UK dates....
has anyone else done this for Godspeed or other ATP's? what happens after you send off the deposit money? i'.e had nothing back yet to say i have a chalet reserved or anything, am i being too impatient?
if you're payments been made then you're in
awful grammar. i'm tired.
"Ah, another stunningly original complaint from GG with loads of criticisms that have never been made before.
In many respects I respect GG. He's managed to take one half decent criticism and make a ten year career out of it.
They say the definition of madness is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Welcome to the wonderful world of GG. Same shit, different day.
And I see the usual bunch of drongos are queefing in their pants about, OMG, another *amazing* chance to whine that they will literally DIE if they don't get to make. Pfft, why be different, eh? Individuality's always easier if everyone else is doing it."
After creaming myself at this news I'm now sitting here thinking about how disappointed I'll be if they can't persuade other (and better?) old school Constellation bands to get back for this - Hangdup, Sackville, Fly Pan Am...
you're trying way too hard.
but Hangedup were...just.
i love a few of the hangedup tracks, but couldnt really get through a full album
The viola player plays in Sam Shalabi's new group - The Land of Kush. Got a new album out in May.
Tindersticks are on Constellation. and ATP did Tindersticks II Don't Look Back didn't they? Let it happen, please.
However, if they're going to play the album thats on constellation then im not bothered either way
I've been to see them live 4 times, each and every time it was very disappointing. If ever and act exisited where you may as well sit at home and listen to the record it's them. Sorry just my opinion. Organisers are going to have to raise that main stage vertically by around 12 feet too in order for anyone to see anything. I'm there.
Both times it was amazing. Second time was one of the highlights of my life, let alone of the gigs I've been to.
ATP ATP ATP ATP
excited already.... only 238 days to wait!
in other news... the website 1119732.net
any thoughts on the weird url?
aparrently its the patent number for a tesla coil
(aka, im killing time in work)
excited, but extremely poor as a result.
I missed out on seeing them in Bristol ten years ago with Sigur Ros : the Trinity Church.
They've always been a mystery band and I love how ATP reforms bands with good money offers but...Sod the mystery, lets have fun. Just dont put them on @ 2pm like Slint.
Are the early bird tickets for 4 berth self-catering sold out? Seetickets is taking soooo long.
As previously announced the first festival weekend will run from the 3rd-5th December at Butlins Holiday Centre, Minehead featuring around 40 bands picked by Godspeed You! Black Emperor, who will also perform.
The latest line-up additions are:
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