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Second in the series of 44 tracks planned to make up the Teargarden by Kaleidyscope series:
with this apart from a misguided sense of nostalgia messing with my sense of reason.
I was on a Pumpkins nostalgia trip recently and was listening to the bootleg of their Reading headline show in '95 before Mellon Collie came out. They preview a lot of the tunes and play some Gish / Siamese stuff, it's absolutely brilliant.
it was their very first out of the studio from recording mellon collie and even though they had to contend against eventful and energetic sets from Hole and Green Day and blisteringly hot weather, they still slayed and the new stuff connected immediately, they did an extended Porcelina with this very trippy backdrop film behind them.
I only knew Today at the time, but even now it's probably in my top 5 shows ever. I listen to the bootleg all the time. The version of X.Y.U. is immense.
from the days when Radio 1 used to broadcast decent live sets quite often.
Amazing versions of Siva (faster than normal), Porcelina and Thru the eyes of Ruby -much better than the album versions (which are already good). Shame this is probably mouldering away in a cupboard in my parents house somewhere.
In fact Billy made my day when I saw them recently by playing that version of Siva. Sadly he did other cunty things which made the whole experience frustratingly hit and miss (15 min FX solo in the middle of 'United States' while the rest of the band left the stage anybody? didn't think so!)
Nicked it from some random party when I was a student, felt bad about it for a very short while.
Totally agree with you about Siva, Cherub Rock is also faster and better and has Jimmy C playing a different drum part during the verses which totally rocks. Mayonaise is absolutely amazing too, I really wish I'd seen them back in the day, my first time was in 2000 at Wembley Arena and it was dreadful.
I saw them live on that tour (In Birmingham), and enjoyed it, but they weren't at all tight, and did lots of alternative versions of songs, dragging most of them out past 10 minutes. So while good, it was hardly vintage Pumpkins. Saw them again on the most recent tour (2008) and they rocked more, but the sound was shitty and Billy got really self indulgent at points.
So while both gigs had their moments, I would give my left arm to have seen them somewhere between Gish and Mellon Collie.
a show from Vancouver, January 1997 was broadcast in full by the local radio station. i recommend you find it online somewhere, it's great. probably better than the reading 1995 set.
Going to try and find that one now. I agree with you about recent Pumpkins shows, I saw their tiny comeback gig at Shepherds Bush Empire which was superb but every time I've seen them since has been a bit of a let-down.
At the Glasgow show Corgan was a total arsehole, evidence can be found here:
I was there though, and will attest to that. He went off on some bizarre rant at the end about Joy Division and JAMC and whining about Glasgow being shit. Can't remember what his point was, but it wss just weird.
I saw them in Glasgow in 2008, but they almost certainly made cocks of themselves on the farewell tour as well.
You're right about the rant, it was in 2008 at the SECC. People were shouting "fuck off" to him and everything, especially when he asked if there were any good bands that ever came out of Glasgow. The clip captures most of it though, will bring back memories :)
live in Chicago 1995 is also incredible. Just the 4 piece and perfect recording. I think I may have downloaded it from Pumpkins site. Cheap Trick join them at the end as well. Ace.
...for anyone else who may be interested.
The link I posted above is for the Vancouver show that guntrip mentioned above.
I'm going to be getting an earful of that shortly!
(the Reading one i mean - haven't listened to the Vancouver one yet). Has my favourite version of Disarm on it. Never thought I would hear this again. Could spend years trawling through the bootlegs on that site.
but it is most definitely NOT their best.
adore is often considered the best by people who don't actually like them, which makes sense because it doesnt sound like a pumpkins album and is basically a billy corgan solo album (even more so than the other) i'm not dennying it is good but it is in no way their best and has a lot of filler on it
are all really dreary, its not boundary pusing it sounds typicaal alt rocker goes slightly electro solo. The other hushed pianoy songs are really good but are out numbered by the good songs on mellon collie and siamese dream. It would have made a great ep
I'm not as harsh on Adore as TTF — e.g. I like Ava Adore and I *love* Appels + Oranjes (hey, I like New Order!) — but I agree that the album could be cut back a bit, from 16 tracks to, say, 10 or 11. That would be perfect (almost as perfect as "Perfect").
Then again, the same could be said of every Pumpkins album since (but not including) Siamese Dream.
the biggest fan back in the day. But they should just stop this nonsense now.
I'm happy to give this one a few listens, whereas I think I'll give the first one another listen only so that I can say to myself that I didn't write it off without giving it a chance.
as none of this stuff is going to get played on the radio or TV. The last song sounded like a half arsed rip of Stairway to Heaven and The Unforgiven. Both songs are just about passable, but if this is the best of the new material, I'll be disappointed.
The most annoying thing is that even after the 'glory' days of Mellon Collie, Billy was still able to fart out top quality B sides and out-takes without even trying. I thought even if he'd lost the rest of the original band, there would still be loads of good material. Just have to wait and see, I suppose.
If YOU got to rag Jessica Simpson, how much time d'you think - realistically now - you'd spend writing and perfecting new songs? I haven't even listened to this new one, but it's a wonder it's been written/recorded at all. If it were me, I'd just be ragging Jessica Simpson. All. The. Time.
The album is being released as 4 differently themed EP's and 1 EP at a time, so I'd like to believe they're going to be dynamically different from each other. I also think it's a great way to observe the progression of the song writing process.
is guesting on this album, no?
And she's a dead eyed cow, man... banging her would be like banging Dubya with a blonde wig.
Glorified blow-up doll she may be - but the fact is, for a guy that's basically Uncle Fester with a screwed up aspect ratio, he's done alright for himself.
I'd do him too.
I wrote a blog post about the new song this morning...
i can see it fitting into the whole concept of teargarden kaleidescope! There where certain songs on Mellon collie that had this kind of feel, take this tune for what it is! 1 song out of 42!!
"The shy and retiring rocker has launched his own imprint, promising to release new material by the Electric Prunes, Strawberry Alarm Clock and the Germs" and SP side project the Starchildren (who were ace, I have a single by them that sounds like the drop nineteens)