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anyone who says Siamese Dream is their best album is a GRADE-A FOOL, says I.
(i used to say this. WOE.)
it's a lovely late night headphones album. But it's not as epically brilliant as Mellon Collie. Siamese Dream comes in third for me (I've not heard the others yet though).
i've never been much of a fan of mellon collie, i think it has waaaaaaay too much filler. i think it would've been better if it'd been 1 disc of electric material and 1 disc of quieter material like Corgan originally touted, but oh well.
i do love Siamese Dream, though. the drumming on it sounds wonderful, and let's not forget the 50-odd guitar parts some songs had...
is the one james iha song ever single other song on it is good in my opinion and thru the eyes of a ruby has over 60 guitars
We Only Come Out At Night?
the key change (i think) before the: "and once again, you'll pretend to know that
there's an end, that there's an end to this begin
it will help you sleep at night
it will make it seem that right is always right
makes me want to go and put my zero tshirt on and go down to the river drink white cider and relive my youth
I think there is literally one or two songs that cold have been left off of mellon collie, i like the rest of them.
For me, it's their best album. But maybe (as with a lot of other bands) I think that because it was the first album of theirs that i bought.
is my favourite song on the album.
don't get me wrong, I think Siamese Dream is really good too. I've never thought Mellon Collie had that much filler to be honest - probably two songs on each disc, three at most.
Adore is one third filler and without jimmy I consider it a billy corgan solo album.
Adore is patchy as fuck.
Amen to John Brainlove's comments above. Amen indeed.
Siamese is great
Mellon Collie is best.
I was listening to it on Monday and it has some fantastic songs.
although fullerov - you're the least wrong. treat yourself to a cookie as a result.
Porcelina of the vast oceans
The rest of it is two hours of overblown fretwanking tosscheese.
is what the pumpkins are all about
would have sounded better
for anyone to notice that open goal. And I have to say, trevor, the end result was disappointing.
By a fair way. A "classic".
but its like picking between
I just can't do it.
Im gonna throw it out there i enjoyed Zwarn.
sadly they decided not to put it on the album.
and the live show was stellar
i think most of the versions of the Siamese Dream songs off on Earphoria are better than the studio versions.
the sludged-up version of Disarm, and the recording of Geek USA is so furious and angry. mmm.
to the live recording of Geek USA now and while it's an awful recording, my LORD is it a stunning performance. it's about twice as the studio version, and corgan is screaming while jimmy is beating the absolute shit out of his drum kit.
i'd loved to have seen them around 1994/1995.
I get Earphoria then? I'd heard it wasn't that good. On the plus side, it would bring my SPs album count up to 7...
Vieuphoria is worth having as well, the skits between the songs are... interesting.
by 20 minutes or so then it would be their best. The trouble with the Pumpkins is that Corgan always had a tendency to make their albums too long and too overblown.
Can't say i was impressed. Wierd thing is can't really pin down a reason.
about Pisces Iscariot? Actually that's pretty rubbish, apart from Starla. Siamese Dream is the best though. It's just great song after great song.
who like adore best. woop guntrip
up until now! :o)
with you. i think mellon collie just edges it out for me, though the production and arrangements on adore are AMAZING.
As I thought 'Adore' was their worst, sorry! It seemed so dull and MOR compared to Gish and Siamese Dream, I've never really liked it, but I thought Machina almost got back up to scratch.
Siamese Dream is the best album, as a coherent whole from start to finish, while in terms of individual songs Mellon Collie wins out but some of the songs are a bit underwritten and sound like they could've been improved with more work. I still think Adore is mediocre though - Jimmy's drumming is just an essential part of what made (makes?) them great.
GRADE-A FOOL. And proud of it!
Siamese Dream is just the most potent and consistent statement they ever made, and teh productoin is so so great (well done Mr Vig)... plus, I was really into them when it came out so it kinda evokes a time/place too...
I remember hating the singles for their 80s drum machine annoyance.
Surely it can't be their best.
Though I don't really like them anyway.
with a mixture of drum machines and live drumming.
i just like it because it's really gorgeous sounding, all piano and textures and the production sounds amazing.
is brilliant. I find myself listening to that album more than any other, even though Gish is actually their best. Brainlove is right, Adore is patchy but when it's good it's really, really good. (Funny, I was listening to that one yesterday in me Mercedes with Bose stereo...really loud...) I like this one cos it's sorta, uhm, romantic. Yeah, in a pull yer crooked teeth and you'll be perfect just like me, sort of way. Romantic.
(Adore is certainly the least adored if my second hand cd store is concerned, however. Can always find a cheap copy of this one.)
next ones = good in parts but get wanky
i still love 'pisces iscariot' too. *gets left hanging*
it has some amazing songs on it
not really. The pumpkins version is in that book of most depressing songs and the reason they give is because it is such a terrible cover, they are completely wrong it's one of the best covers ever.
"never let me down" by depeche mode as well.
and 'hello kitty kat'. balls-out rock song meets whinging teenage lyrics - yessssssssss!
It took me back to being a wee scamp.
the Pumpkins...supposedly things "are really great" in the studio, though I'm still not sure if the new Pumpkins is any more than Billy and his buddy drummer (eg dunno if James Iha and D'Arcy are in or out).
Who of ya knows what's what with the reformed band? Do tell!
A few months ago.
as i always point out - no iha means no iha songs.
his pumpkins songs are so bad. i'd like to see him on stage though. hmm.
I think they were a really disfunctional band with alot of tension that may have affected the music (even if it was pretty much jimmy and billy in the studio)so it may affect the music. I don't really care it was all down hill after mellon collie and everytime I saw them live was a crushing disapointment.
I think i heard that Melissa Auf der Maur was back in the band instead of D'Arcy. But that might be bollocks
she would tour with them if asked, but i imagine billy is handling bass in the studio.
although apparently eric avery (jane's addiction) played bass for a bit but hasn't joined..
Most of the SONGS on Adore, but not necessarily the arrangements or the way they're played on the album - a lot of them took on a new lease of life and sounded a lot cooler once they played them live and actually used two electric guitars as well as a piano and a three-man percussion ensemble etc.
for some MTV thing it was awful
are usually positive with bickering over which was their best album see above
In my experience around the time adore came out (i was in the middle of a 5 year obsession) loads of non pumpkins fans I knew liked it and thought it was their best album and I always thought it was because they were put off by how 'rock' the pumpkins were and thought liking adore made them appear to have sophisticated taste, it always bugged me I thought 'how dare they have an opinion on the pumpkins they dont know the pumpkins' so im bias against adore, but thats just me reading alterior motives into my friends opinions.
But on here I guess siamese dream has the most fans because that was before they lost cred and then the devout argue about it and the rest. Everyone agrees machina is rubbish
say gish. i say pish!
Mellon Collie, and I'm a fan. You have to be a fan to like almost the entire double album :D
or my opinions will get split threeway
to chuck mellon collie in, is a bad idea.
cause mellon collie would win, and I can't quite justify why. its an emotional tie, I think.
their pretentious overblown best, while siamese dream is more consistant and pretty much perfect album mellon collie goes to deeper extremes
but it does feel very soulless at times, and adore is chronically afflicted with soullessness. Mellon Collie feels like a record they wanted to make...
Have you listened to Disarm?
I can't really choose between adore and siamese dream. I love adore, ava adore and shame are possibly two of my favourite ever pumpkins songs, but Siamese Dream is possibly one of the best albums ever made, its utterly and consistently brilliant. so if pushed, I'd probably say siamese dream.
but I cant find most of my CDs and soulseek is being rubbish.
Adore is perhaps their finest hour, if not the most accessible. If memory serves it was released on my birthday, for added bonus.
MCIS was ace too, although some of the best songs from around that time ended up on The Aeroplane Flies High.
Forgot how brilliant an album this is! Ava Adore, Perfect, Appels + Oranges, and For Martha are some of their greatest moments.
Although Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie are my favourites, Adore is not far behind them.