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Goddamit. This is wrong. So wrong. This is like reading the diary of your best friend and realising that he’s as mundane, dull, and fucked up as you are. It breaks every last ounce of credibility that Courtney Love has : she’s auctioning off the inner thoughts of a dead man who would, no doubt, be horrified to know that his wife is bankrolling his neurosis now her career has dried up.
Maybe that’s why Chris Novoselic refuses to read it.
_ “If you read it, you’ll judge”_ it says, scrawled in some immature pen. But who we judge is not Cobain. But Courtney. A fading, falling half-star, doomed to disintegrate on re-entry into the real world, trying to insulate themselves from their inevitable fall and their status as a has-been. A woman who sold the most private thoughts of her suicidal husband to the highest bidder.
Because she has nothing left to sell. Being a widow is not a long-term career option. It didn’t even work for Yoko. And nobody’s interested in a temperamental, not very successful artist who hasn’t had a hit in years.
But the “Kurt Cobain’s Journals” aren’t that. They’re not journals. They were never meant to be read. They’re the disjointed, half-formed notebook rambling of a mid-US nobody who became an icon junkie rock star. Self-disgust is self-obsession honey, and Cobains favourite subject is always, always, always himself, existing in his own, insular world of punk rock poverty and an inferiority complex larger than the sun.
Letters are malformed, words mis-spelt, shrunken, twisted. Everything in Kurt Cobains world is crushed and mutated. Not only is it physically difficult to decipher the meaning from the boyish scrawl, This should never have been published. It has no artistic merit in terms of content, there is no moral justification for its publication, and is nothing more, and nothing less, than graverobbing.
And if that sounds harsh, then fuck it. That’s the impression I get here. On cheap notebook paper, scrawled in biro, Cobain makes friends with old vinyl records and his insecurities, obsessing over his own flaws, pitying his lot, obsessed with his fears : women, sex, security. He painted himself as a victim for so long, adopted the role as his own, and when fortune smiled upon him, he simply switched neuroses to another object of disgust : his own self-disgust was such that his perception of reality would not allow him to tolerate himself as anything but a victim. And so he invented narcolepsy to absolve his problems, complained of a legendary yet possibly non-existent stomach ailment, and became the kind of tedious bore that the truly self-obsessed become.
Ultimately, what these disjointed, non-linear, scrawls from a self-obsessed, self-disgusted, immature genius prove is that nothing is more tedious than depression. Every page is a variation upon the themes of inadequacy, fear, and a hatred : of himself, of others, of everything. Kurt’s blind spot is that his prejudices against others were exactly the same brand of ignorant fear that he despised in others.
** “Kurt Cobains Journals”** are a travesty. Aside from the odd, rare striking image that rises from the page, the quality of the writing, and the contents are dire, shopping list stuff. And these are the highlights.
Penguin, hang your heads in shame. Courtney, blow your head off with a shotgun. Readers, stick with the records. Don’t fund this kind of heartless exploitation. It should have never been published. It should never be bought. It should never be read. It’s heartless graverobbing exploitation of the dead who cannot defend themselves.
“Go on, take everything, take everything, I want you to Go on, take everything, take everything, I dare you to”* - Hole, Violet. *
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A smack-head who stole from the pixies and made it all about him.
oh, and his lyrics were fucking awful!
IaNaUn
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the later stages are pretty boring, but you see interesting stuff like his designs for his guitar. that more bore some people, but i think theyre worth looking over.
theres bits missing - nothing to do with chad channing leaving and dave grohl coming in, but all the early stuff is pretty cool
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i completely agree.
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big rip off
quite boring
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The author states that these are not truly journals, and he is quite correct. They aren't jounals. Kurt didn't hide them in the back of his sock drawer, he left them out on the coffee table, in plain sight. That's why reading them isn't a violation of Kurt's rights. It is rather well known that he would even show what he had drawn or written in the journals to other people.
I don't believe that Courtney is the horrible person that the media paints her to be (and for that matter, neither is Yoko Ono.). I think Ms. Love was trying to show us a fragment of Kurt. So many people extremely misinterpret what he was like. People treat him like he was some sort of emasculated, weak, little pissant. He wasn't. and these writings illustrate that. I think Courtney was trying to show us the real Kurt.
Finally, dear author, you obviously don't know anyone who is mentally ill and have never been so yourself. That, or you're just a heartless bastard. Kurt Cobain was manic depressive. Depression isn't "boring" depression is hell. I think that critisizing what Kurt wrote is worse than Courtney publishing it.
"Critics are like eunuchs, they know how to do it, and can discuss it, but they can't actually do it."
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People who buy it hoping to find an ounce of entertainment are missing the point...you best not buy it at all.
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Possibly the last straw for this guy was the evil, maniacle, self-serving, Borderline Bitch from Hell that he married. She is getting a fine return on her investment though - judging from her recent exploits. Good for her. Sorry for the kid though - I hope CPS is reading (& watching). Drug addiction is the least of Courtney's problems.
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if the writing is a little scattered, i'm rediculously smashed right now.
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Id made my moral decision not to buy or read them, then my friend goes and buy methem for christmas. so i read them, of course.
what struck me was just how normal his everyday problems were. Someone up there said sad as it was they could identify with what he was saying, I found myself doing the same.I expected to have a insight to life, to be given a different perspective on it all, but what I got were my own thoughts and feelings in somebody elses life. To be honest that creeped me out.
I read somewhere that Kurts reasons for suicide, and/ending Nirvana was the fact that he felt so undeserving of the praise and the heights that he had been built upto. Reading these journals you see an ordinary man in an extra ordinary life trying desperately to justify each and every aspect of himself. Blame his drug addiciton blame his fucked up childhood "under the bridge" blame courtney love(as so many people do) but the fact was he was faced with the same issues that so many people around the world see.
As for the suicide, there is so much evidence that he could NOT have taken his own life, and yet the circumstances are so condeming to suicide, it seems impossible to determine what really happened. Did Courtney imploy a hitman?(who was laterly killed himself) Did she do it himself?hardly likely. But with what was it..i dunno...but well over the lethal dose of heroine in him...could he really have manipulated a shot gun, and if i remember rightly one of the doors to the room was locked from the outside.
Fact it is the man was musically a hero. And it would have been nice for him to go down and be remembered in that context, purely for the side of him that was intended for public display, the music. But this aint no perfect world, and obviously things leak out...and then entire sections of peoples lives are published, and the music becomes famous for the man rather than the man being famous for the music.(yeh that last sentence does make sense read it again...it took me 5 minutes to work that one out in my head.)
oh shit that was a big rant...this site should give me a job then id stop raving at other people reviews!!hint hint!!
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I feel sick.
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Sorry... I don't think that made much sense.
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Kurt Cobain, u rule forever n u r in our hearts u were one hell of a rock star, rest in peace xxxx
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Didn't he try that?
"how come all of a sudden he decides to use a gun?"
Because the overdose failed.
N.
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N.
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brokenrecordsblog@yahoo.co.uk
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says s/he, who didn't even know his heroin use was to help control long-running chronic stomach pains (not just another "bloody junkie") - let alone the aforementioned matter of his failed overdose a few weeks prior to his suicide....
Ahh. With fans like these, no wonder Kurt stuck around!
ho ho ho.......I could post on this thread all day. Were I that bored. has Bond finished yet?
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Actually, I just read your other posts - frankly I'd rather be stuck in a lift for a day with Courtney than listen to scary rabid ravings and personal invective like that. Leave
The
Computer
Alone
And
Go
Outside.
jesus!
Interesting how you're all ready to lynch Courtney on circumspect evidence too; yet I don't see you working up a concerted campaign of shouting&abuse against Dylan from Earth for selling Kurt the shotgun that he shot himself with, a few days before, when he returned home that final time..........oh yeah but That Didn't Happen did it?
zzzzzzzz
Oh well at least it isn't another fucking aggrieved Conor Oberst-fan thread.
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"i mean i love kurt n courtney more than u its all these oh im such a fuckin big nirvana fan that make up stupid little theories thinking ur the biggest nirvana fan "
This is a bit hypocritical, surely? You claim to somehow know that you love Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love more than this other person, but then you accuse them of claiming to be 'such a big fuckin nirvana fan'. Is that not what you are doing?
Music message boards always seem to me to have a hierarchy of snobbery. You're looking down on this person, thinking you're so cool, but then there's someone else looking down on you, thinking they're even better. Perhaps lets stop with comments like "I love Kurt more than you!", and just have an intelligent conversation.
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Scary... I feel old.
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Do I?
Cool... my grey hair says otherwise, but has no real voice.
I hate grey hair but am too pussy to dye it.
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And i'm afraid I have to concur with the author of this piece. I personally have a few mental things which i'm not going to list here but yes, they are overwhelmingly boring, as much as for yourself as for anyone else. Thinking about the same thing all day, every day - they're hell partially for the fact they're boring. Imagine hearing the same song on endless loop for years on end and never being able to hit the 'stop' button. Monotony to that level, stuck inside your head, becomes hell.
I think the author's point was - firstly, if Kurt did show them to anyone, then presumably they were only people he was okay with seeing it. You may show your naked body to people you sleep with, but that doesn't mean you want a photo of it on billboards all over the world, do you? I have serious trouble believing he'd be okay with the general public reading all of it. Shortly before the publishing of 'Come As You Are' (a great read, btw), author Michael Azzerad fielded a phonecall from Kurt asking him to remove something from the book. 'I might as well blow my head off if you include it'. What it was? Kurt's list of his top 100 records.
Secondly - I know if my wife killed herself then i'd want to keep her diaries to myself. It's just wrong, and something I can't really put in words. Almost like if Playboy ran a Marilyn Monroe nude special the week she killed herself, or something.
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kurt rox
kurt's a legend fuck everybody
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Got Problems mylinda?
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I would personally like to thank those who published his thoughts. They helped get me through the most difficult time of my life. I have spent most of my life depressed and was experiencing mania when I found Kurt's journal. It was the only thing that made me feel understood or like I had a friend in the world.
Mental illness can be a scary experience; however, it can be managed with support and education. Kurt's journal is a window into a soul who suffered emotionally and whose music talent touched a generation. It is a document that can be used to further our understanding of mental illness and should be read with an objective mind.
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any person would. So there was a big mistake in doing that. But all his so called "fans" arguing about what was right...who was to blame...and putting the majority of the blame on Courtney, are nearly as bad as the cretines who published his journals. Kurt clearly loved Courtney (...derrr) and i think that anyone would be horrified hearing things being said about there wife like that. Specially Kurt, who was sensative and fragile minded when it came to COurtney (take the vanity fair insident). A few years ago when i was still nieve and small minded, went with the flow of people saying they hated "that whore of a wife Courntey"...and i thought...yea BITCH!
But where crdeit is due, i personal don't like Courntey but i respect her for who she is as a person,. and what she's had to deal with. She held it together through the drug abuse Kurt did. She stayed together when he shott himself, leaving her and his daughter behind...and so what if she slips up every now and again.
Kurt was a great fucking muscian...and none will ever come close. But why can't we just respect him for that...i mean he was a talented guy who was a fuckin inspiration to everyone...
lets let him rock on \m/
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He died when you were, what, 4?
5?
No offence, but I wonder how much love one can have for a man who a) you almost certainly never met and b) was only alive for a third of your life to date.
Just a thought...
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***LYN***
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hehehe :P
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Finally someone thinking the same thing as me!
The journals were just plain wrong...however insightful or whatever they were...i'd hate the though of someone publishing my seriously personal thoughts etc!
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It's all just a way of making more money, and has shit all to do with Kurtds memory!!
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I kno!
I've read reviews about the movie...
And its says its just about his last days!
And it has a gay scene in it...
Now WHY do they need that?
Especially seeing as it isn't even about him!
It just makes me mad!
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Look, the guy's dead, he doesn't care who reads what about him. In the most well-read bio there's a story about him trying to have sex with a teenage retard girl. I'm pretty sure there's nothing much in the diaries worse than that.
Plus, you people are totally missing the point. It's so easy to go "Kurt's an icon, he's so pure, beautiful, perfect." That's not what he, Courtney, or any of that generation was about at all. They were about laying bare the bad with the good and if anyone can't handle the fact that humanity, even within the best of us, has just as many filthy, humiliating and decadent moments as it does happy, pleasant ones, then you are in for some serious disappointment in later life.
Go and watch some Greg Arraki or Larry Clark or read a book. There's more beauty than you'd know in our shortcomings.
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N what's all this shit about fucking..."serious dissapointment in later life!" Ive already had serious dissapointment!
I'm not here to put Kurt on a pedistool or anything...i just think that his music was a movement and was inspirational...but as a band they all were.
N i have no problem with "gays"...the majority of my friends are gay....
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i Just thought it was a really disrespectful to publish a whole load of thoughts n stuff...when the guy is dead!
If you can't see whats wrong in that...then...i feel sorry for you...
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He was...
...a pretentious, self absorbed compulsive liar, but that makes him human in a way. I've read bits of the journals, although I don't own it. Extracts of it are used really well in his biography 'Heavier than Heaven' which is a good read. I can't remember off the top of my head who wrote it but a google search will tell you straight away.
i wouldnt attempt to read them, its his life, just because he's famous and dead that doesnt mean people have the right to publish his entire life shame on them i say, may they rot in hell,and this mother fucker ianaun or something really makes my blood boil, he stole nothing from the pixies he respected them,if you have nothing good to say about kurt cobain then dont say anything then and dont read posts about him if you dont like him that makes no sence?!fool
The Malady of Cobain
I realise this is a late post to a dead thread, but it is something I feel all Cobain and Nirvana fans should read.
Would be interesting to get some feedback on this!
For the record all the below is my own work and has been submitted elsewhere, hence it is copyright protected. A full version of the essay in its original context is available on request.
We can never truly know if we are sane. What is acceptable - that which doesn’t disturb the individual or that which doesn’t upset society? If we do not adhere to the codes of culture then we are said to be insane. The problem is that insanity is a dynamic term, varying between ages and societies. Perhaps for that reason then sanity should be based on a personal barometer of tolerability, leaving us to decide for ourselves what we think is inappropriate behaviour. This does not bode well for society, as surely more intense feelings are more pleasurable to the human psyche than the mediocrity culture allows.
As it stands though, culture determines the markers of sanity. Issues begin to arise from this if no one in society particularly cares about whether an individual is of sound mental health or not, or rather becomes fascinated with an idea.
There is often in the depressed a genuine feeling of guilt that they feel unwell because they have no physical maladies or can recognise no single causal depressive event. This search for a validation of her depression leaves Cobain not only waiting for an answer to its cause but waiting for a revelation. He is convinced that one day he will reach a moment of catharsis and he will pass through the darkness of depression back towards the light of normality. For all his talk of this though, we are left questioning if he really means it, if he knows that he will never find the answers because there are none.
"Depression is not a sudden disaster. It is more like a cancer... If you ask anyone in the throes of depression how he got there, to pin down the turning point, he’ll never know." (Wurtzel, E. 'Prozac Nation' 1996, pp. 18-9)
Simply put we must appreciate the effect society has on the human psyche in assimilating and numbing it to such a degree that sometimes individuals feel the need to test it in order to acknowledge their own existence. The extent of human experience is defined purely by the rules of the society in which we live, and so in order to experience anything beyond what is presented to us, the limits of such experience must be tested and subverted,
“Culture, mental illness, and personality development are intimately related�.
(Castillo, R. 'Meanings of Madness' 1998, p.37)
Often it can be that social anxieties are projected on to the individual and result in feelings of personal unease.
The deliberate undermining of the symbolic order is an idea discussed by Julia Kristeva in relation to the concept of abjection (see Kristeva, J. 'Powers of Horror' 1941, pp. 1-31). According to Kristeva, the abject is no particular thing, but rather something we instinctively reject and put beyond the thinkable; it exists outside us. Even though we are unable to assimilate to it, we are fascinated by the border of non-meaning it represents. This idea of nothing being a part of our minds evokes terror in the sense that we realise that we could not-be. Essentially the abject allows being and not-being, living and dieing to occupy the same territory by blurring the lines between them. Insanity comes into play when someone takes such delight in the abject that they constantly engage it, in Cobain's case through drug abuse.
Moments such as this explore the fragile boundary between being and non-being. In wanting what is inside to cross the border to the outside, (or vice versa) one plays with the idea of not existing. The skin is the boundary of life and by making even small breaks in it Cobain tests his existence.
Self-harm is not the only flirtation with the abject and the desire to not exist. In finding repulsion attractive one is being wilful and self-obsessive, and gets a thrill from transgressing social codes.
This is narcissistic depression.
This type of depression, if untreatable, can result in suicide representing a method of release from living with the pain of constant lacking.
There are two forms of narcissictic depression.
In the first form there is a general feeling of lacking or absence which the sufferer wishes to rectify in order to become complete, but doesn’t know what the solution is. This void is referred to as ‘jouissance’ by Lacan, who believes that it is something we will spend our entire lives trying to fill but will never be able to.
The second type of narcissistic depression is formed not by the process of separation from the mother, but rather through a loss that has occurred in life. Freud observed that the accusations melancholic patients aimed at themselves were usually more applicable to a loved one, but had simply been shifted onto the sufferer’s own ego.
Freud describes one of the symptoms of melancholia as being an expectation of punishment. If no such punishment is administered then the sufferer may seek to harm themselves to create in their minds some balance of justice.
Fuckin' Pirate!
"And I swear I don't have a gun..."
Actually refers to Kurt locking himself in his bedroom with a gun after having arguments with Courtney. Kurt was manic.
I have been diagnosed with severe manic depression and I am on Lithium everyday for the rest of my life. A large percentage of manics have suicidal ideation. 19% of manics kill themselves. I have seen the police reports explaining that Kurt had locked himself inside the bedroom of his house and was acting withdrawn and suicidal, numerous times in the last few years of his life. Courtney had to call the cops in fear of her ill-husbands life! Therefore, "And I swear I don't have a gun" is symbolic to Kurt hiding guilt and shame of his suicidal ideation. It has nothing to do with murder and everything to deal with guilt.
Please research the lyrics before making them justified. I'm no Courtney Lover, but It twist me blue when people make false perceptions on the account of Kurt. R.I.P
Pirate
In further regards to my last post, Kurt
was very sarcastic and introverted about expressing his negative feelings, and we must remember that.


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