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Goddamit. This is wrong. So wrong. This is like reading the diary of your best friend and realising that he’s as mundane, dull, and fucked up as you are. It breaks every last ounce of credibility that Courtney Love has : she’s auctioning off the inner thoughts of a dead man who would, no doubt, be horrified to know that his wife is bankrolling his neurosis now her career has dried up.

Maybe that’s why Chris Novoselic refuses to read it.

_ “If you read it, you’ll judge”_ it says, scrawled in some immature pen. But who we judge is not Cobain. But Courtney. A fading, falling half-star, doomed to disintegrate on re-entry into the real world, trying to insulate themselves from their inevitable fall and their status as a has-been. A woman who sold the most private thoughts of her suicidal husband to the highest bidder.

Because she has nothing left to sell. Being a widow is not a long-term career option. It didn’t even work for Yoko. And nobody’s interested in a temperamental, not very successful artist who hasn’t had a hit in years.

But the “Kurt Cobain’s Journals” aren’t that. They’re not journals. They were never meant to be read. They’re the disjointed, half-formed notebook rambling of a mid-US nobody who became an icon junkie rock star. Self-disgust is self-obsession honey, and Cobains favourite subject is always, always, always himself, existing in his own, insular world of punk rock poverty and an inferiority complex larger than the sun.

Letters are malformed, words mis-spelt, shrunken, twisted. Everything in Kurt Cobains world is crushed and mutated. Not only is it physically difficult to decipher the meaning from the boyish scrawl, This should never have been published. It has no artistic merit in terms of content, there is no moral justification for its publication, and is nothing more, and nothing less, than graverobbing.

And if that sounds harsh, then fuck it. That’s the impression I get here. On cheap notebook paper, scrawled in biro, Cobain makes friends with old vinyl records and his insecurities, obsessing over his own flaws, pitying his lot, obsessed with his fears : women, sex, security. He painted himself as a victim for so long, adopted the role as his own, and when fortune smiled upon him, he simply switched neuroses to another object of disgust : his own self-disgust was such that his perception of reality would not allow him to tolerate himself as anything but a victim. And so he invented narcolepsy to absolve his problems, complained of a legendary yet possibly non-existent stomach ailment, and became the kind of tedious bore that the truly self-obsessed become.

Ultimately, what these disjointed, non-linear, scrawls from a self-obsessed, self-disgusted, immature genius prove is that nothing is more tedious than depression. Every page is a variation upon the themes of inadequacy, fear, and a hatred : of himself, of others, of everything. Kurt’s blind spot is that his prejudices against others were exactly the same brand of ignorant fear that he despised in others.

** “Kurt Cobains Journals”** are a travesty. Aside from the odd, rare striking image that rises from the page, the quality of the writing, and the contents are dire, shopping list stuff. And these are the highlights.

Penguin, hang your heads in shame. Courtney, blow your head off with a shotgun. Readers, stick with the records. Don’t fund this kind of heartless exploitation. It should have never been published. It should never be bought. It should never be read. It’s heartless graverobbing exploitation of the dead who cannot defend themselves.

“Go on, take everything, take everything, I want you to Go on, take everything, take everything, I dare you to”* - Hole, Violet. *

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Good points. Good article. I got the journals for christmas, but as of yet havent been interested enough to get further than the second page. But I have a feeling I'm going to agree with everything you've said.

Jenna xx

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Kurt Cobain:
A smack-head who stole from the pixies and made it all about him.

oh, and his lyrics were fucking awful!

IaNaUn

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The onion pisstake was quite on the ball. From what I saw of the journals, it was like reading a bunch of unconnected rants about...erm....very little at all. The real tragedy with Cobain was not his suicide, brough on not by "inner pain" but by an intolerable stomach complaint, but the exploitation which has followed - where a better-than-average musician has been cannonised to commodifyable saint. Poor sod.

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i found them pretty interesting. i wouldn't have bought them, but had them bought for me. lame as this may sound, i found mysel relating to a lot of the little things he described, interested by the letters and quite impressed by some of the artwork (like mr mustache). its also interesting, and i thinmk quite brave , or courtney to let everybody see how human and unexceptional kurt was.
the later stages are pretty boring, but you see interesting stuff like his designs for his guitar. that more bore some people, but i think theyre worth looking over.
theres bits missing - nothing to do with chad channing leaving and dave grohl coming in, but all the early stuff is pretty cool

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i completely agree.

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I can't pretend to know how Kurt would feel but I would be spinning in my grave. This sort of corpse raping makes me sick.

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yeah I bought it
big rip off
quite boring

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YES. YES. YES. HOW VERY SAD FOR US TO EVEN TRY TO READ THEM. HOW SAD FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THE PRODUCTION, SALE, AND PURCHASE OF THIS PERSON'S PRIVACY. EVERYONE IS INVOLVED NOW, WE CAN LEAVE THEM THE FUCK ALONE. AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD. THE ONLY WAY THAT I WOULD EVER READ A JOURNAL IS IF THAT PERSON ASKED ME TO.

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I rather disagree with the author and I believe him to be incorrect. If you have a problem with that, or disagree, then feel free. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm just trying to state my opinion.

The author states that these are not truly journals, and he is quite correct. They aren't jounals. Kurt didn't hide them in the back of his sock drawer, he left them out on the coffee table, in plain sight. That's why reading them isn't a violation of Kurt's rights. It is rather well known that he would even show what he had drawn or written in the journals to other people.

I don't believe that Courtney is the horrible person that the media paints her to be (and for that matter, neither is Yoko Ono.). I think Ms. Love was trying to show us a fragment of Kurt. So many people extremely misinterpret what he was like. People treat him like he was some sort of emasculated, weak, little pissant. He wasn't. and these writings illustrate that. I think Courtney was trying to show us the real Kurt.

Finally, dear author, you obviously don't know anyone who is mentally ill and have never been so yourself. That, or you're just a heartless bastard. Kurt Cobain was manic depressive. Depression isn't "boring" depression is hell. I think that critisizing what Kurt wrote is worse than Courtney publishing it.

"Critics are like eunuchs, they know how to do it, and can discuss it, but they can't actually do it."

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I disagree totally, the point of the journals is not to entertain you...the purpose is to tell (in perspective of one of the biggest rock stars of all time) the story of Kurt Cobain's life and his struggles to make it to the top...along with his everyday life.

People who buy it hoping to find an ounce of entertainment are missing the point...you best not buy it at all.

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kurt cobain was a fukin legend and wrote fukin good lyrics u assholes and i agree that his journals should not be read by gay lil shits like some above and not apreciated for what they are! how fukin dare u guys pass judgement on the words of some1 who is dead get a life if you dont want to read bout his life and his shit then dont but dont fuking bitch bout it !!! FUCK YOU!!he was a legend and u all neeeda read dat fukin journal and find out why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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kurt cobain was a fukin legend and wrote fukin good lyrics u assholes and i agree that his journals should not be read by gay lil shits like some above and not apreciated for what they are! how fukin dare u guys pass judgement on the words of some1 who is dead get a life if you dont want to read bout his life and his shit then dont but dont fuking bitch bout it !!! FUCK YOU!!he was a legend and u all neeeda read dat fukin journal and find out why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dont just say he fuked wen u dont even understand wehy YES myb it was a cry 4 help or myb he was abused but fukin read and fine out U FUKIN GAY RETARDS!!!!!!!!!KURT COBAIN ROX

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no fuck you, you dont kno shit bout shit and ur ugly!!!!KURT COBAIN IS A FUKIN LEGEND AND I BET HES GONA HAUNT U ASS HOLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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courtney love is an ass and kurt is a legend, and always will be wether you like it or not. and he was a kick ass singer too. Reading his journal was definetley a violation of his privacy. They didnt need to be hidden in his sock drawer to be considered private. Courtney didnt care one dit about kurt and should go blow her head off with a shot gun.

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I think if anything, Kurt's "legend" status comes from the fact that the world is full of depressed, disenfranchised people who find similar personalities interesting. I do think though, that he would interpret his thoughts into writing particularly well - and that is the essence of talent. I have read much about him, but would not read this even if offered.

Possibly the last straw for this guy was the evil, maniacle, self-serving, Borderline Bitch from Hell that he married. She is getting a fine return on her investment though - judging from her recent exploits. Good for her. Sorry for the kid though - I hope CPS is reading (& watching). Drug addiction is the least of Courtney's problems.

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im no kurt-hater. the guy and his band were decent. but you gotta think how courtney feels. he fucking destroyed her. she loved him so much and then he blew his head off. whoever made such a neurotic famous in the first place is the criminal here. you have to love yourself to be famous, and let's face it kurt was just too nice. dont blame anything on courtney, he killed himself and he took her with him.

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author, you have understandable points concidering your mental capacity i'm sure. I was dissapointed with your lack of understanding. Which makes you a mindless, conforming drone like them. as far as the book I'm interested in reading it for my final psychology course next semester. As far as Courtney, if you haven't noticed all she talks about is money. Making it on the internet, fighting with dave over the rights to Nirvana's music, releasing the journals etc. She didn't care about him I still am not sure if i buy that he was stupid enough to purchase a shot gun for the sole purpose of blowing his head off. hello! buy a smaller gun! and The heroine in his body alone would have incapacitated him in seconds and killing him anyway. how the hell was he supposed to shoot himself? I believe there is more to the story than anyone's saying. like the suicide note said nothing about suicide. I wouldn't go as far as to say that Courtney didn't kill him because it did say in the note that he was leaving the business and he already cancelled his spot on lalapalooza....ahh it's just stupid all the shit that's gone on but For Kurt i'll say that he is the anti-social hero. no matter what you say. Why the hell would he want to be liked? It's like everyone forgets about that. Oh and author, i know i'm going out on a limb here but aren't journals supposed to be centered around the person writing them? you think about that. Especially when you're fucked up, what else you gonna talk about? Were you hoping to find out who killed JR? can you tell me anything better he was supposed to write? Who wouldn't want to know what's wrong with them? oh and to all the haters. fuck you t(''t)
if the writing is a little scattered, i'm rediculously smashed right now.

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I really don't know about the subject but i don't think that anybody should run him down as a bad person actually it is just that fucked up wife he had>

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the authors got some really good points. its awful to be reading a mans diary, especially a dead man with no way of defending himself.
Id made my moral decision not to buy or read them, then my friend goes and buy methem for christmas. so i read them, of course.
what struck me was just how normal his everyday problems were. Someone up there said sad as it was they could identify with what he was saying, I found myself doing the same.I expected to have a insight to life, to be given a different perspective on it all, but what I got were my own thoughts and feelings in somebody elses life. To be honest that creeped me out.
I read somewhere that Kurts reasons for suicide, and/ending Nirvana was the fact that he felt so undeserving of the praise and the heights that he had been built upto. Reading these journals you see an ordinary man in an extra ordinary life trying desperately to justify each and every aspect of himself. Blame his drug addiciton blame his fucked up childhood "under the bridge" blame courtney love(as so many people do) but the fact was he was faced with the same issues that so many people around the world see.
As for the suicide, there is so much evidence that he could NOT have taken his own life, and yet the circumstances are so condeming to suicide, it seems impossible to determine what really happened. Did Courtney imploy a hitman?(who was laterly killed himself) Did she do it himself?hardly likely. But with what was it..i dunno...but well over the lethal dose of heroine in him...could he really have manipulated a shot gun, and if i remember rightly one of the doors to the room was locked from the outside.
Fact it is the man was musically a hero. And it would have been nice for him to go down and be remembered in that context, purely for the side of him that was intended for public display, the music. But this aint no perfect world, and obviously things leak out...and then entire sections of peoples lives are published, and the music becomes famous for the man rather than the man being famous for the music.(yeh that last sentence does make sense read it again...it took me 5 minutes to work that one out in my head.)
oh shit that was a big rant...this site should give me a job then id stop raving at other people reviews!!hint hint!!

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He was one fucked up guy. Thats all I can say. Out of respect, I will never read his journals, but my boyfriend wants them so I WILL buy them for him.

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Somebody should slap courtnely love into the realms of good taste.

I feel sick.

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I've just read through all the previous posts and I must admit that I'm apprehensive about picking the journal back up again. I can see both sides to this view and, as someone who owns a journal myself, can imagine that what he has wrote probably never was intended for public display. At least not all of it. I'm relatively new to Nirvana itself and have only started buying their stuff for the past month or so now, but in that time I have learned to love his music for the most part and hate Courtney Love... however I only hate her because there are so many people on the net who seem to have such a deep loathing of her without actually knowing a damn thing. I find that wrong. Just wondering how much you people actually know about her before you start to pass judgement as you have been doing. Back to the journal though, I've gotta say that I probably will continue to read it, and read it for what it is, the tortured ramblings of someone just like me. I think that it was wrong that it was published sure, but the absolute strength of what you can learn about not just Kurt, but yourself, is absolutely astonishing as you plod through those pages. I think it gives strength to read the first hints of his suicidal nature in that book, when he lays himself across the traintrack and waits for death, and think: "I'm just like him, I have the same problems, the same opinions, the same loathing for the world, but unlike Kurt, I can cope". To realise that some people could commit suicide over circumstances that are so near to what you are experiencing whilst you are in control, for that alone I believe these journals cannot simply be ignored

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ur all ingnorant pigs. kirt kobane wuz the most fantastic rock legend to liv. i hope he cums alive and screws up ur reputation when u all die. i will not read the journals. ill just say that all u that did r sick in the head. listen to kirts tracks, he wuza tortured talent, i mean, u can hear the pain in his voice, an his lyrics r great anyway. courtney was a slag. i hate u all. this shit makes me realy sick.

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i wont read the jurnals. ill say that they should be taken down, and noone has anyright to aed them, kirt was fantastic, we all loved im, anyone who disagrees, tell me.

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perhaps he was tortured and all that otherstuff, but courtney love is not a slag, everyone takes the mick outta her, she rocks and people should just cut her some slack. just 'cos she was married to kurt, means that because he killed himself, it must be her fault, 'cos she's his wife, and she is famous, well leave her alone, she's cool (but she has fish lips)!

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Kurt Cobain was a pop star wrapped up in punk rock packaging. His greatest songs were the instant-hit pop ones. It's a shame that the nature of the game is such that avoiding drugs is impossible; perhaps if he had Nirvana could've gone on become a band of a similar standing as REM? It's easy to defend the dead, but, on the other hand, what Kurt did at the end was unforgivable. No one should leave a family behind like that, no one. He was, ultimately, too weak for the business, and it destroyed him. Lay off Courtney, lay off the press... what it comes down to is the one man himself. He wasn't tortured at all - those songs are stories you know - he was just weak. He pussied out when he could have been one of pop's greatest ever talents. Now he's held up as some martyr figure by Avril Lavinge-loving pre-teens... it's sad.

Sorry... I don't think that made much sense.

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I say that kirt and nirvana were great, any longer and they would have been more famouse than REM,robbie willams, or any other gay artists, they would have stood next to the red hot chilli peppers, or guns n roses, i loved them, we shouldnt be reading his stuff, nomatter how unlike actual diaries or journals they are, its wrong. so im not reading them. if we could read th apparent scrawl, that is.

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All those of u who even bother arguing or stating ur opinion when u dont even know the real story are sad motherfuckers. First of all, get this in ur head: Kurt Cobain was a fuckin LEGEND the guy was an amazing genius which not many people understood so shut the fuck up if u dont know what ur talking about. He didnt kill himself its all a pile of bullshit that saddistic whore of a wife Courtney ordered him to be shot if u listen to the song"come as you are" he says in the chorus ' and i swear i dont have a gun' he wrote that song when he knew his wife was gonna have him killed the fuckin bitch i hope she DIES AND BURNS IN HELL!!!
Kurt Cobain, u rule forever n u r in our hearts u were one hell of a rock star, rest in peace xxxx

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hear hear, this person utters the truth!!

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So, what you're saying is Kurt thought his future wife was gonna shoot him, then got married to her anyway a year after the song was released. THEEEEN had a kid with her and stayed with her for two more years waiting to be shot. Boy, you must really thought that one through. Fuckwit.

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i was also thinkin when i read that that even if in the song he was really meaning that he didnt have a gun, wouldnt stop him going out and buying one like he supposedly did. i personally think that there is quite a lot of evidence against courtney that the authorities conveniently ignored, but i wasnt part of the investigation into kurts death and doubt very much that anyone who reads this was, therefore everyone is entitled to their own opinions but no-one can really know for sure what happened

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no u moron. first of all he was a bloody junkie - if he really wanted to commit suicide he would have done it wayy before everything all he had to do was take a slight overdose n he would be gone so how come all of a sudden he decides to use a gun? thats bullshit be a bit more open minded and stop being so shallow ... dont argue unless u know what ur talking about

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"all he had to do was take a slight overdose"

Didn't he try that?

"how come all of a sudden he decides to use a gun?"

Because the overdose failed.


N.

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Lol I think somebody's been taking a look at the tom grant conspiracy theory website.

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sure they're his "private" thoughts... but are they nessesarily private? he didn't give a fuck if you read his diary... he's beautiful and i love him more everyday, i dont think some shithead with no heart should make some fucked up comments about the man who gives me inspiration.

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kurt cobain was an awesome man he was messed up in the head and was a depressed man he was married to courtney and he loved her apparently or why would he marry her?!?!?! his "journals" should be read because ppl need to know how he felt and how normal he was ...i havent read them myself im waiting for enough money...for those who say its boring dont read them for those who say its sick to read them then dont! simple as that i see both sides of this fight on whether to read them or not and its stupid and quite idiotic....every1 has their own feelings mine is to read the "journals" but if u dont want to im not going to say screw u thats ur opinion and ur entitled to that....

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While the ex-magazine Careless Talk Costs Lives was unbearably pretentious they did at least get it right on Cobain's journals. It was a diary. It was meant to be private. It should never have been published. Anyone making money out of it is rimming The Man. Nuff said.

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or it's a potentially very useful document for studying depression and the effects of fame.

N.

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Man, i dont know know who published Kurt Cobain's diary, but its just a scam to make money money make money money

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I'm sure there are slightly more scientific and reliable ways to study depression. Diaries, I would have thought, are pretty unreliable sources of information. I certainly wouldn't want anyone to read any diary I might have kept in the past. It would probably be quite easy to make me out to be some schizoid/depressed person when, really I was just a bit bored and annoyed at not getting any...

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In America, after kurt’s death, an investigation was led out and the police found that the suicide note didn’t match his handwriting and the gun had no fingerprints. So a theory was that Courtney hired a hitman to kill kurt when she found out that he was leaving her. She is sick. There is even talk that her daughter is being auctioned off. She is leeching money off a dead man

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oops that was sposed 2 b a reply 2 summat else

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In America, after kurt’s death, an investigation was led out and the police found that the suicide note didn’t match his handwriting and the gun had no fingerprints. So a theory was that Courtney hired a hitman to kill kurt when she found out that he was leaving her. She is sick. There is even talk that her daughter is being auctioned off. She is leeching money off a dead man

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i know sum1 up there said that too and you said she wasn't talkin sense but she is as the evidence points to her otherwise the suicide would've matched his writing. they got forensics in and everything! He didn't kill himself, he was killed. its pretty obvious when you think about all the evidence that shows it wasn't a suicide. it was that sick bitch courtney

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so please just understand that. he was off his head on drugs but its so clear he didn't kill himself. they made it seem like he killed himself due to the fact he couldn't handle fame is it said in his suicide note but get this... cos i don';t think u do.... THE SUICIDE NOTE WAS NOT WROTE BY HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"dont argue unless u know what ur talking about"...??!?!??
says s/he, who didn't even know his heroin use was to help control long-running chronic stomach pains (not just another "bloody junkie") - let alone the aforementioned matter of his failed overdose a few weeks prior to his suicide....

Ahh. With fans like these, no wonder Kurt stuck around!
ho ho ho.......I could post on this thread all day. Were I that bored. has Bond finished yet?

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Wow! We should get you on the Elliot Smith suicide ('suicide'??) case, sounds like you've detective skillz to put Sherlock Holmes to shame (hey! He liked a bit of the old horse too, coincidence! Think he and Kurt would've gotten on?)

Actually, I just read your other posts - frankly I'd rather be stuck in a lift for a day with Courtney than listen to scary rabid ravings and personal invective like that. Leave
The
Computer
Alone
And
Go
Outside.

jesus!


Interesting how you're all ready to lynch Courtney on circumspect evidence too; yet I don't see you working up a concerted campaign of shouting&abuse against Dylan from Earth for selling Kurt the shotgun that he shot himself with, a few days before, when he returned home that final time..........oh yeah but That Didn't Happen did it?
zzzzzzzz

Oh well at least it isn't another fucking aggrieved Conor Oberst-fan thread.

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im sorry what was that? u say it was courtney right? well thats a bit patheic isn't it we all like to blame sum1 in life but you know u dont even know her was u there? i mean i love kurt n courtney more than u its all these oh im such a fuckin big nirvana fan that make up stupid little theories thinking ur the biggest nirvana fan goin well if u loved him that much u would respect the fact he loved his wife who is innocent til proven guilty which isn't gonna happen and at the end of the day shes the better person she could of taken the easy way out to but she's keept goin 4 her daughter and became very successful in doin that im sure many people will agree with me

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i agree it was more or less his death wish he told people around wat ever happened not to publish them if u was a true fan u would respect his privacy and not make ppl money from his suicide

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Ever heard of punctuation?

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Quite.

"i mean i love kurt n courtney more than u its all these oh im such a fuckin big nirvana fan that make up stupid little theories thinking ur the biggest nirvana fan "

This is a bit hypocritical, surely? You claim to somehow know that you love Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love more than this other person, but then you accuse them of claiming to be 'such a big fuckin nirvana fan'. Is that not what you are doing?

Music message boards always seem to me to have a hierarchy of snobbery. You're looking down on this person, thinking you're so cool, but then there's someone else looking down on you, thinking they're even better. Perhaps lets stop with comments like "I love Kurt more than you!", and just have an intelligent conversation.

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There's an amusing little piece about Kurt and Courtney on the Violent Femmes homepage.Shouldn't really be mentioning this to potential stalkers,spammers and virus senders.Everyone knows he was killed by Courtney,because of their arguments over their affairs with the Beckhams.

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laughed till i wet myself. oh you parent hating adolescents.a] read the nme from two weeks ago for the courtney quip.b] let's blame Courtney, heroin, rifles. kurt's death was the consequence of a lot of things. Fame for example..... what about all those deity-worshipping sycophants that called themselves fans, who experimented with heroin because they thought it cool that kurt was. perhaps the fans should examine their own part in his demise. though i dont think you'd be capable of that. u sound second generation anyhow!

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Second generation?
Scary... I feel old.

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you sound as if you are fourteen

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Was that aimed at me?
Do I?
Cool... my grey hair says otherwise, but has no real voice.
I hate grey hair but am too pussy to dye it.

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actually was aimed at another! from the nirvana time meself ! let the grey peek through!

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'manic depressive' = bipolar, something Mr. Cobain certainly was not. Do *you* know anyone mentally ill?

And i'm afraid I have to concur with the author of this piece. I personally have a few mental things which i'm not going to list here but yes, they are overwhelmingly boring, as much as for yourself as for anyone else. Thinking about the same thing all day, every day - they're hell partially for the fact they're boring. Imagine hearing the same song on endless loop for years on end and never being able to hit the 'stop' button. Monotony to that level, stuck inside your head, becomes hell.

I think the author's point was - firstly, if Kurt did show them to anyone, then presumably they were only people he was okay with seeing it. You may show your naked body to people you sleep with, but that doesn't mean you want a photo of it on billboards all over the world, do you? I have serious trouble believing he'd be okay with the general public reading all of it. Shortly before the publishing of 'Come As You Are' (a great read, btw), author Michael Azzerad fielded a phonecall from Kurt asking him to remove something from the book. 'I might as well blow my head off if you include it'. What it was? Kurt's list of his top 100 records.

Secondly - I know if my wife killed herself then i'd want to keep her diaries to myself. It's just wrong, and something I can't really put in words. Almost like if Playboy ran a Marilyn Monroe nude special the week she killed herself, or something.

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i love u silly people who argue so much, yes kurt cobain was a legend, no he didnt kill himself, there's enough evidence against it, if u were a true nirvana fan and if u knew shit about shit then u'd know even if ur NOT a nirvana fan, true he was a pretty bad vocalist and a simplistic guitarist but that just makes everything better, i mean come on, wut else r u gonna learn when ur just starting to play guitar? i got the journals and i couldnt put the book down, i found it incredibly deep. but whoever sez his lyrics are horrible, you fucking deserve to die, that is so incredibly disrepectful, those lyrics came from the heart. and how could anyone say he stole from the pixies? the pixies were one of his favourite bands and if he took anything he asked permission! anyways, u guys are silly. <3 love prolly the only US kid on here, siobhan

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fuck everybody who hates kurt
kurt rox
kurt's a legend fuck everybody

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u're a fuckin loser

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I totally agree wiv u.

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"kurt's a legend fuck everybody"

Got Problems mylinda?

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These journals are pure exploitation of kurt's life and thoughts.Things like this are never meant to be published.Kurt was such a deep, emotional and sensitive person so d'you think he'd be happy having every single little bit of his life being sold on a shelf to whoever is stupid enough to reach into their back pocket and hand over the money? It would certainly upset me.Publishing these journals is about as evil as it gets.Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this is mine.For Fucks sake, Give kurt some peace.

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Which can be countered by the fact that if Kurt didn't want his diaries read and maybe published, Burn Them.

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Kurt Cobain was a loving, giving person who would give his third eye to a street person. If you read his journal, this is part of what what you will learn. Reading closely might give you insight into cultures, love, relationships, family, religion, spirituality, and friendship.

I would personally like to thank those who published his thoughts. They helped get me through the most difficult time of my life. I have spent most of my life depressed and was experiencing mania when I found Kurt's journal. It was the only thing that made me feel understood or like I had a friend in the world.

Mental illness can be a scary experience; however, it can be managed with support and education. Kurt's journal is a window into a soul who suffered emotionally and whose music talent touched a generation. It is a document that can be used to further our understanding of mental illness and should be read with an objective mind.

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look guys...im really confused here. i have just sat through and read every single one of these arguements(yes as sad as that is, n no i don't have any thing better to do) Let me state just a few things. I consider myself to be a big nirvana and kurt fan...however i didn't know him...so cannot state that i would know what he would of wanted. Now me, myself would have hated to the core of earth if my diary(if you will call it that) were to be published and read by thousands!!!
any person would. So there was a big mistake in doing that. But all his so called "fans" arguing about what was right...who was to blame...and putting the majority of the blame on Courtney, are nearly as bad as the cretines who published his journals. Kurt clearly loved Courtney (...derrr) and i think that anyone would be horrified hearing things being said about there wife like that. Specially Kurt, who was sensative and fragile minded when it came to COurtney (take the vanity fair insident). A few years ago when i was still nieve and small minded, went with the flow of people saying they hated "that whore of a wife Courntey"...and i thought...yea BITCH!
But where crdeit is due, i personal don't like Courntey but i respect her for who she is as a person,. and what she's had to deal with. She held it together through the drug abuse Kurt did. She stayed together when he shott himself, leaving her and his daughter behind...and so what if she slips up every now and again.
Kurt was a great fucking muscian...and none will ever come close. But why can't we just respect him for that...i mean he was a talented guy who was a fuckin inspiration to everyone...
lets let him rock on \m/

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Well no matter what anyone says these are his personal thoughts ..but with a mind so beautiful he should be classified as among the legends and if anyone doesnt think so then go ahead and read his journals i encourage you to ,to understand a man that only a few selected ppl really can ..he is a genious read and find out for yourself i LOVE him and always will i miss him deeply and his music and soul will always live on in me and hopefully others(WE MISS YOU KURT)(I'LL SEE YOU IN HEAVEN SO ROCK ON AND ON \m/

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You're 15?
He died when you were, what, 4?
5?

No offence, but I wonder how much love one can have for a man who a) you almost certainly never met and b) was only alive for a third of your life to date.

Just a thought...

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I just wanna say Kurt was a very talented man...his writing was great and his belief were kind....if u didnt know.....He was compleatly agaist racisim,sexism,being mean to gay people!!!.I would like to add that we should not pass judgement on something and people we dont personaly know. lets just settle on the fact that NIRVANA is a great band!!!!!! and that kurt waz a talent!!!

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I I think he was just lost, and didn't know what he wanted out of life. I also don't think he was as bad as a lot of people pictured him, I just think he tried his hardest to be the best father and husband he could. And felt pressured by all of his fans and everyone else in the music buisness. I think he wanted to get out of it all, but didn't want to disappoint anyone. So I think he did it the best way he could think of. I also don't think he meant for a big rush of sadness after his death. I don't agree that he killed himself, but I also don't agree that Courtney or anyone else did it. And it was more than 11 years ago, so I don't think we'll ever know the truth. The journals, his own personal thoughts...hmm...! I think Courtney DID sell them, for her own personal reasons. Money, mostly. I personally don't think she should've given ANYONE permission to use and publish them, even though there is a lot of people out there who would read them, and want them. I think journals should be for ones own use, and even if that persons not around anymore, shouldn't be shown to anyone except close family members. Especially not the whole world.

***LYN***

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thumbs up to you :P

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Thanks...But its just my opinion...! I dunt kno what the rest of you think!

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naaaa...your opinion is pretty opinionated...(obviously) but you made good points, it's hard not to take notice

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Well, thanks! This is really the first time I've ever written anything like this, and I really didn't think anyone would pay much attention!

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haha..don't worry i havn't been on here long either..n i don't normally add my comment on things...but some things you just can't help yourself...you get me?
hehehe :P

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Yeah, I do. And I NEVER add comments on anything! But it just kinda makes me mad, how they make all these judgements just by reading the journals, when they really shouldn't be out in the first place!

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Wa-hay exactly!
Finally someone thinking the same thing as me!
The journals were just plain wrong...however insightful or whatever they were...i'd hate the though of someone publishing my seriously personal thoughts etc!

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I know...Seriously! And what if people steal parts of the lyrics. I'm sure someones gonna try that. I wouldn't want anyone reading my own thoughts. Especially if I had problems, like he did. Everyone has them, but I'm sure nobody wants the whole world to know about them!

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I'd hate for anyone to take my personal thoughts n exploit them :( What do you think on the new film 'last days' that is quite obviously based on Kurt Cobain...if you havn't seen any trailers go onto www.apple.com/trailers n check it out

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God! It seems like everyone just wants to keep bringing him back. Books, movies, EVERYTHING! I love him, I mean, hes been a great role model, minus the drugs and stuff like that, but maybe thats how we should keep it. Just the memory of him, within all of us. Making a movie of his life 'n' death isn't gonna bring him back, and it DEFINATELY isn't gonna help people cope in any way!

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I know it's sooo crazy how people just can't seem to let things lie. If there was a need to "bring back" Kurtd in any way...then the best way to do it...would be to do it through his music...not to now on top of everything else bring out a film on the last days which he suffered almost in silence, an everything else that would have been going through his head while getting ready to take his life :(
It's all just a way of making more money, and has shit all to do with Kurtds memory!!

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UH!

I kno!

I've read reviews about the movie...

And its says its just about his last days!

And it has a gay scene in it...

Now WHY do they need that?

Especially seeing as it isn't even about him!

It just makes me mad!

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OMG! A gay scene! OMG! Cos, like, Kurt hated the gays. Dirty freaks that they are, etc.

Look, the guy's dead, he doesn't care who reads what about him. In the most well-read bio there's a story about him trying to have sex with a teenage retard girl. I'm pretty sure there's nothing much in the diaries worse than that.

Plus, you people are totally missing the point. It's so easy to go "Kurt's an icon, he's so pure, beautiful, perfect." That's not what he, Courtney, or any of that generation was about at all. They were about laying bare the bad with the good and if anyone can't handle the fact that humanity, even within the best of us, has just as many filthy, humiliating and decadent moments as it does happy, pleasant ones, then you are in for some serious disappointment in later life.

Go and watch some Greg Arraki or Larry Clark or read a book. There's more beauty than you'd know in our shortcomings.

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Yea ok...because i get what your saying...n i agree with you in some way. But all what ive said is not along the lines of "kurts an icon, he's so pure, beautiful, perfect..." I know that the generation that Kurt, the pixies, mudhuney etc were all living was about ANYTHING but glamour n shit like that.

N what's all this shit about fucking..."serious dissapointment in later life!" Ive already had serious dissapointment!
I'm not here to put Kurt on a pedistool or anything...i just think that his music was a movement and was inspirational...but as a band they all were.
N i have no problem with "gays"...the majority of my friends are gay....

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I agree with both of you...in some way. I'm not putting him on a pedistal either, or saying that hes beautiful 'n' stuff like that. What I AM saying is he IS a role model, still today, to a lot of people. And even though hes dead I still dont see why people would publish his own private feelings. I mean, how many journals/diaries do you see actually published?

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Exactly that was my thought's down to a tee!
i Just thought it was a really disrespectful to publish a whole load of thoughts n stuff...when the guy is dead!
If you can't see whats wrong in that...then...i feel sorry for you...

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I FULLY agree! Thats EXACTLY how I see it too!

He was...

...a pretentious, self absorbed compulsive liar, but that makes him human in a way. I've read bits of the journals, although I don't own it. Extracts of it are used really well in his biography 'Heavier than Heaven' which is a good read. I can't remember off the top of my head who wrote it but a google search will tell you straight away.

i wouldnt attempt to read them, its his life, just because he's famous and dead that doesnt mean people have the right to publish his entire life shame on them i say, may they rot in hell,and this mother fucker ianaun or something really makes my blood boil, he stole nothing from the pixies he respected them,if you have nothing good to say about kurt cobain then dont say anything then and dont read posts about him if you dont like him that makes no sence?!fool

The Malady of Cobain

I realise this is a late post to a dead thread, but it is something I feel all Cobain and Nirvana fans should read.

Would be interesting to get some feedback on this!

For the record all the below is my own work and has been submitted elsewhere, hence it is copyright protected. A full version of the essay in its original context is available on request.

We can never truly know if we are sane. What is acceptable - that which doesn’t disturb the individual or that which doesn’t upset society? If we do not adhere to the codes of culture then we are said to be insane. The problem is that insanity is a dynamic term, varying between ages and societies. Perhaps for that reason then sanity should be based on a personal barometer of tolerability, leaving us to decide for ourselves what we think is inappropriate behaviour. This does not bode well for society, as surely more intense feelings are more pleasurable to the human psyche than the mediocrity culture allows.

As it stands though, culture determines the markers of sanity. Issues begin to arise from this if no one in society particularly cares about whether an individual is of sound mental health or not, or rather becomes fascinated with an idea.

There is often in the depressed a genuine feeling of guilt that they feel unwell because they have no physical maladies or can recognise no single causal depressive event. This search for a validation of her depression leaves Cobain not only waiting for an answer to its cause but waiting for a revelation. He is convinced that one day he will reach a moment of catharsis and he will pass through the darkness of depression back towards the light of normality. For all his talk of this though, we are left questioning if he really means it, if he knows that he will never find the answers because there are none.

"Depression is not a sudden disaster. It is more like a cancer... If you ask anyone in the throes of depression how he got there, to pin down the turning point, he’ll never know." (Wurtzel, E. 'Prozac Nation' 1996, pp. 18-9)

Simply put we must appreciate the effect society has on the human psyche in assimilating and numbing it to such a degree that sometimes individuals feel the need to test it in order to acknowledge their own existence. The extent of human experience is defined purely by the rules of the society in which we live, and so in order to experience anything beyond what is presented to us, the limits of such experience must be tested and subverted,

“Culture, mental illness, and personality development are intimately related�.
(Castillo, R. 'Meanings of Madness' 1998, p.37)

Often it can be that social anxieties are projected on to the individual and result in feelings of personal unease.

The deliberate undermining of the symbolic order is an idea discussed by Julia Kristeva in relation to the concept of abjection (see Kristeva, J. 'Powers of Horror' 1941, pp. 1-31). According to Kristeva, the abject is no particular thing, but rather something we instinctively reject and put beyond the thinkable; it exists outside us. Even though we are unable to assimilate to it, we are fascinated by the border of non-meaning it represents. This idea of nothing being a part of our minds evokes terror in the sense that we realise that we could not-be. Essentially the abject allows being and not-being, living and dieing to occupy the same territory by blurring the lines between them. Insanity comes into play when someone takes such delight in the abject that they constantly engage it, in Cobain's case through drug abuse.

Moments such as this explore the fragile boundary between being and non-being. In wanting what is inside to cross the border to the outside, (or vice versa) one plays with the idea of not existing. The skin is the boundary of life and by making even small breaks in it Cobain tests his existence.

Self-harm is not the only flirtation with the abject and the desire to not exist. In finding repulsion attractive one is being wilful and self-obsessive, and gets a thrill from transgressing social codes.

This is narcissistic depression.

This type of depression, if untreatable, can result in suicide representing a method of release from living with the pain of constant lacking.

There are two forms of narcissictic depression.

In the first form there is a general feeling of lacking or absence which the sufferer wishes to rectify in order to become complete, but doesn’t know what the solution is. This void is referred to as ‘jouissance’ by Lacan, who believes that it is something we will spend our entire lives trying to fill but will never be able to.

The second type of narcissistic depression is formed not by the process of separation from the mother, but rather through a loss that has occurred in life. Freud observed that the accusations melancholic patients aimed at themselves were usually more applicable to a loved one, but had simply been shifted onto the sufferer’s own ego.

Freud describes one of the symptoms of melancholia as being an expectation of punishment. If no such punishment is administered then the sufferer may seek to harm themselves to create in their minds some balance of justice.

Fuckin' Pirate!

"And I swear I don't have a gun..."
Actually refers to Kurt locking himself in his bedroom with a gun after having arguments with Courtney. Kurt was manic.
I have been diagnosed with severe manic depression and I am on Lithium everyday for the rest of my life. A large percentage of manics have suicidal ideation. 19% of manics kill themselves. I have seen the police reports explaining that Kurt had locked himself inside the bedroom of his house and was acting withdrawn and suicidal, numerous times in the last few years of his life. Courtney had to call the cops in fear of her ill-husbands life! Therefore, "And I swear I don't have a gun" is symbolic to Kurt hiding guilt and shame of his suicidal ideation. It has nothing to do with murder and everything to deal with guilt.

Please research the lyrics before making them justified. I'm no Courtney Lover, but It twist me blue when people make false perceptions on the account of Kurt. R.I.P

Pirate

In further regards to my last post, Kurt
was very sarcastic and introverted about expressing his negative feelings, and we must remember that.

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