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A pile of prozac with your name on them. A job that eats your life; gives you nightmares and makes you waste your days in stale-smelling offices with paper walls. Relationships made of complaints and excuses; couples who can't love each other but can't live apart, and proceed to tear chunks from themselves 'till there's nothing left. A life that wanders on autopilot, until one day someone asks what you have to show for it, and all you can find is a puddle of debt, some so-called friends and a drinking problem. Then you realise that something's got to change.

Pop music is the art of feeling weightless. It's about shaking yourself free of the burden, the obligation, the ball-and-chain boredom of modern life. About how three-chords and a melody can make the bad stuff seem less real. Less powerful. Less likely to swallow you up. It's made for drunken dancing, slurred singing, being with your friends and enjoying life despite what it does to you.

But why The Strokes? Why should you let a group of arty, rich-boy prep-school posers force their hyped-up, rip-off rock on you? Surely they're just a bad joke; a style-mag stunt; a group of trust-fund delinquents who dropped into music to avoid working on Wall Street. If they don’t 'get' your pain, what chance do they have of making it better?

"I'm not your friend. I never was."

It's true that 'Room on Fire' doesn't deserve the hype it's been lumbered with; judged alongside the wealth of bold, boundary-breaking albums released this year, The Strokes' second sounds like a timid, attention-seeking gimmick based on lightweight tunes and a good record collection. But albums should never be judged solely on what else is out there, and those with the knives out are ignoring one inescapable fact: their songs are fantastic.

Bursting from the blocks with a 'Flashdance' bassline, yapping guitars and Julian's playboy sneer, 'What Ever Happened?' reminds us what we've been missing; the coke-addict energy; the drop-out chic; the sheer life-sick cynicism that emanates from his Lou Reed ramblings. Everything that made the world fall for 'Is This It' not only remains in its successor; it shines even brighter.

The proof is in the swooning white-reggae of 'Automatic Stop,' the mod-ish 'give-a-shit' stomp of 'I Can't Win,' and the stage-trashing, spite-spewing put-downs of 'You Talk Way Too Much;' this isn't the sound of a band departing from their debut; but one who've refined their songs into the kind of perfect sleaze-pop missives we were always promised.

The joyous, jagged romp-pop of '12.51' is a case in point; an arsenal of nagging guitar lines that mimic Casablancas’ nursery-rhyme melody before Fab's drumkit explodes into a giddy mess of trashed high-hats and Blondie-esque brilliance. Then there's the plodding street-swagger of 'Between Love and Hate,' which meanders harmlessly before a fantastic, out-of-nowhere chorus line arrives, transforming it into a piece of stadium-swelling wonder.

But the undoubted highlight here is the astounding 'Under Control;' a gorgeous silk-clad slow-dance of Sam Cooke soul, with Casablancas' rasps of despair and regret adding real emotional weight to the shoulder-shrugging nonchalance we've been used to. While the lyrics still amount to 'Fear and Loathing in East-Side Apartments,' the down-the-line directness of words such as 'I just want to watch you go by' add a sincerity that make his songs all the more believable.

Sure, lots of people will hate it, and those sad, pallid indiesnobs who creep around crappy Camden pubs lamenting the demise of Mansun will certainly find it hard to take. But we'll let them argue amongst themselves. In truth, if you can recognize its limitations and understand that far better records have been made this year, then it's possible to enjoy 'Room On Fire' for what it really is; an adrenaline-fuelled head-rush of precision-perfect pop tunes about modern life – about sex and cynicism, love, despair and the art of feeling weightless.

"I'm not your friend. I never was."

The Strokes don't 'get' your pain. But they will make it better.

fantastic

that's the mark i would've given it too.
it's becoming a horribly addictive album.
help.

Re: fantastic

i ain't heard the album but the single is shite. i think they're one of the most overrated bands ever. apart from maybe the vines. or kings of leon.

Re: fantastic

Your comment was as about as original as the sound of all 3 of those bands.

You crashing bore.

Re: fantastic

i always use to think the strokes were overrated but i am able to tolerate them even when the massive xposure they receive. From this i come to the conclusion that i dont mind them, even if they were a bit wank at reading.

Re: fantastic

Indeed... The Strokes are dismissed as overrated so often these days that they're actually in danger of becoming underrated. In any case, calling them 'overrated' is a criticism of the media and the public, not the band.

Personally, I like The Strokes, because I happen to enjoy listening to their records. Fancy that.

Re: fantastic

everything is derivative in some way...even prefuse 73.

The actual problem some people have with the strokes is in admitting they like something populist. The fact is it's a great album - insidious and addictive.

There are much better bands out there but there's no denying it's great the strokes are around. Bands like this encourage people to go looking for music.

Re: fantastic

I would love to know the names of all these bands that are better than the strokes, you and the reviewer seem keen to let us know while you enjoy the strokes there is much better stuff around...like what?

c'mon!

1st of all, please nevermind my poor english, it's just my second language, okay?
but this is a really good album, hell yeah, but i also agree strokes are seriously overrated, and so is this album. nme is almost gonna have sex with these guys. i mean, they were fucking awesome when they started with is this it, 'coz before them it looked like that if you wanted to listen to rock music, if you were a fan, it was just better to be complacent with it. the strokes changed it and - at least for me - rock became interesting again. so i started to find others bands, way much better than 'em. there are lots of bands that are just better than them, but i think we all agree that strokes opened their doors. just for this fact they have my respect, and i do enjoy them. the hype is too much for them, but i don't think we can just deny that they are a really really good band. room on fire is a great record, is this it was really 'it', no matter how much i preffer hellacopters, the libertines, the hiss or d4.

Somethingroundbrownandchocolatey

It's simply boring. When Supergrass released 'In It For The Money', NME gave them a kicking for slowing down the pace of their songs. Now they and everyone else are praising the Strokes for this new LP? I've had it for a week and a half now and it leaves me totally unmoved. I don't hate it, I don't love it, I don't kiss it and I don't swear at it. The first album was fantastic in the same way the first Oasis album was fantastic: shit that wasn't 100% new but had a new energy stuffed into it. Like Oasis, the Strokes have gone slower on the second album and the energy level has gone down appreciatively. The vocals are the same but the music has no life to it, it's uninspired and sounds like NYC by painting book numbers. A big, big disappointment. I'm onto my third copy of Is This It after two drinking/wall damage incidents and I'd buy it again if I trashed my latest copy. The choice this month was limited to the new Strokes LP or getting Plush's last opus imported. Julian et al - 0, Liam Hayes - 1.

see...

See, I hated the first album (well, not hated, but wasn't mad on). It felt to be almost trying too hard to not try at all.

This one at least has some melody that doesnt need you to be obsessed with the smell of mothballs to love. The worst you can be is indifferent to it surely? I'd agree with that mark 100%, for once!

Re: fantastic

if everyone rates the strokes using your user profiles and other bands they like you'll all get recommendations - tho it would be easier for people to just say who, but we got the technology...

Re: fantastic

better albums released this year (in my opinion): 'You Forgot it in People' by the Broken Social Scene, 'The Violet Hour' by The Clientele, 'Feast of Wire' by Calexico, 'Cold Water Songs' by The Broken Family Band, 'This is Our Punk Rock' by Silver Mt. Zion and maybe 'Cast of Thousands' by Elbow - though I'm not sure yet.

there are possibly others, but i couldn't tell you without staring at my record collection. none of those are as fun as 'Room on Fire' though...

Re: fantastic

how about....the divine brown, the dirty, the gin palace, etc..etc...and these are only in london..

Inconsistent

It's well written as ever, but something you make reference to more than once is the fact there are 'many' better albums and more 'genre defying' records out this year. So how does it get 4.5?

The Strokes are masters of illusion. They've sold two million records, but that's not a massive amount when you look at the hype they've had and consider that international artists like 50 Cent who've been around in the mainstream for half that time have done 5 times that.

It's pop music, true, in the same way that Oasis, The Smiths, Velvets, Buzzcocks or Beatles were. But the difference is they're time defying bands whose records will live on. Do any of you seriously think you'll be singing the likes of 'Reptillia' come 2005?

Re: c'mon!

hey dude--your english is better than that of many people who comment on this site, so don't worry about it! This:

"before them it looked like that if you wanted to listen to rock music, if you were a fan, it was just better to be complacent with it. the strokes changed it and - at least for me - rock became interesting again."

is one of the best comments I've heard about a band in a LONG time. I don't particularly like the strokes--but that was a great way to express how you feel about them. :)

Re: c'mon!

hey, thank you mate.

Re: Inconsistent

i said that there are many better albums released this year, and that the record has limitations firstly because it's true, and secondly to try and put the hype around the strokes in some kind of perspective. however, i also said in the review that you can't simply judge an album according to what else has been released. if you took that to its logical end, then had 'Room on Fire' been released in 1999, when there was fuck-all about except Gay Dad, Stereophonics and Catatonia, it would probably have been called the 'best album since Revolver,' and the band would've been hailed as messiahs - two statements that are obviously bullshit.

so what i tried to do with the review was isolate it from all the crap that was surrounding it, and judge it on its own merits as a truly great guitar-pop record. and on that basis, it deserves the mark i gave.

thanks for the comments though

unoriginal yet definitive

the strokes are by no means original.
even nme have addmitted they could have stepped out of the garage rock scene back in the 70's.

but they have changed the rock scene and defined and captured a certain mood that many people are obviously sympathising with.

personally id rather hear rehashed retro than nu-metal.
its like a generation has decided to re-interpret what they heard as kids.

but good things will come to those who wait.....

in a time so fucked in bullshit politics....there will be a band that will change the world again ...big style.....i have faith

roll deep

Addled clumpings from gates anew


It's very simple to separate the album from the hype. All you do is take it home, slip on some headphones and listen to it for the sheer fun of listening to music. The shitty element is that it isn't fun to listen to. If the record has limitations, surely the major limitation is that none of the songs are even close to those on Is This It. How can it be held up as being 'truly great' in one breath and then 'not the best album released this year' in the next? C’mon, give us the names of the albums that are better than this 'truly great' new Strokes ouevre for any record that is better than a truly great record must be covered in golden showers of magical brilliance semen ejaculated by the great god Genius himself and probably has the ability to induce orgasm on first aural content.

"In truth, if you can recognize its limitations and understand that far better records have been made this year, then it's possible to enjoy 'Room On Fire' for what it really is; an adrenaline-fuelled head-rush of precision-perfect pop tunes about modern life – about sex and cynicism, love, despair and the art of feeling weightless."

Making allowances for it? What sort of pisspoor standard is that? Sit around, make allowances for the fact that it's nowhere near as good as the first LP (we're not talking one more bad song, we're talking releasing a follow-up album that doesn't rank halfway to the first) and then praise it? Why not just write 'Well, I'll just let them release any old crap and make allowances for releasing that bilious filth?' And quit the idea that the Strokes write about modern life as if they’re orators of history. They’re residents of NYC and America, both having been hit hard by upheaval and conflict, both socially and politically, the shadows of 9/11 still out there, a right wing cad in charge of the White House, and all you can release is an album of songs about fucking, love and cynicism that don’t come anywhere near to your first effort? I don’t want some deep Radiohead rant about politics, I don’t want to sit down for two hours and listen to some whiny neurotic spad arcing onwards but the effect is as retarded as a band singing songs about the wonder of the summer of love right now.

As for there being fuck all good out in 1999... using the ever-convenient NME critics poll for that year, shall we mention some albums that were either very popular or, in the case of Mr Wayne Coyne and others, simply fantastic?

The Flaming Lips – The Soft Bulletin
Shack – HMS Fable
Super Furry Animals – Guerrilla
The Charlatans – Us And Us Only
Leftfield – Rhythm And Stealth
Gorky’s Zygotic Mynci – Spanish Dance Troupe
...And You Will Know Us By The Trail of Dead... Madonna

Travis' 'The Man Who' also sold a fair bit...

I really wanted to like Room On Fire. I’ve been waiting patiently for it. I moved from London to Toronto in February and saw firsthand that the cool kids around Toronto were slating the Strokes, all the fashionable kids were placing other bands higher that sounded way inferior. Fuck knows how many drunken arguments I’ve had in this city over the Strokes. Now I’m in the position of disappointment and waiting for the fingers to point and say ‘We told you they were shit’. The sad thing is that, with regard to Room on Fire, I can only agree with them. The Stooges got better with each album. Television’s second album is barely known but is at least as good as Marquee Moon. Here’s hoping that the third Strokes LP brings them back to former glories.



Re: Addled clumpings from gates anew

errm....where exactly in the review did i say 'making allowances?' i didn't, did i? you made that up didn't you? what kind of piss-poor standard is that? what i did say was that if you get over the fact that it is derivative and musically limited (and many things with just two guitars and a rhythm section are these days), then there's nothing stopping you from enjoying it as a collection of great pop songs.

if you're going to form an argument, please don't quote me out of context to make it stand up. i said that 'Room on Fire' was a 'truly great guitar-pop record;' thrilling, fun and enjoyable, yet ultimately limited and disposeable. I did not say that it's a 'truly great' record like the Velvet's debut or 'Strangeways, Here We Come,' or whatever else.

also, i'm not a musical historian; i used the example of 1999 to point out that it is foolhardy to judge a record solely on the basis of what else is around at that time. records have to be judged on their own merits, and that's what i did with 'Room on Fire.' you can disaggree with that approach if you like, but it's a bit late now, isn't it? oh and by the way, out of that list, only 'The Soft Bulletin is even worth mentioning...

if you don't like 'Room on Fire,' then that's fine; I've already written a perfectly adequate review stating why I think it's great, and i'm not going to keep treading over old ground because i've moved on. however, misquoting and misunderstanding things i've said in that review just to help your argument doesn't make you right... it makes you seem ignorant.

Bring it on Sherlock

For the record, I wasn't quoting you but raising a question with the allowances, hence allowances not being enclosed by brackets and having a question mark at the end of it. Not just me misunderstanding things, yes? But let’s go further…

"In truth, if you can recognize its limitations and understand that far better records have been made this year, then it's possible to enjoy 'Room On Fire' for what it really is… "

Now then, how is that not making allowances? Recognize its limitations, understand that better records have been made this year... and only then you might think it’s great? How is that not making an allowance for it? Once you’ve done that, you can give it 4/5 out of 5 because it’s quite good if you ignore their better stuff and just take it as an plain old album. Lawksamercy, this record reviewing is simple isn't it? If you do take it as a plain old album then it’s fine. If The Strokes were unknown and had just surfaced out of a dark puddle in Cambridge and presented this to the world then it’s a good record. But they didn’t. They’ve come into the world with a fabulous debut single, played some incendiary gigs, released a brilliant album and have had the music to go with the image. We waited, we expected and they come back with this? An album that critics have not damned but do use words like ‘derivative’, ‘slower’, ‘musically limited’… Oasis followed the first two albums with utter pish and got blasted for it. The Strokes seem to be getting an easier ticket.

You keep using this word ‘great’ in conjunction with this album. Is it going out of fashion? A ‘truly great’ album is apparently a masterpiece but a ‘truly great guitar pop album’ is not a masterpiece? Is ‘Strangeways..’ not a truly great guitar pop album? By you saying that, it seems like you’re demeaning guitar pop as something disposable and forgettable. Room on Fire is ‘thrilling, fun and enjoyable, yet ultimately limited and disposeable’… something so great should never be disposable, it should make you want to have more and more of it, like the first album. Disposable indicates it’s easy to throw away and forget about it. Hardly the hallmark of a great record, yes?

So I haven’t misquoted you. Nope. I haven’t misunderstood you, there were no essays about Descartes’ Third Meditation in there. I don’t even disagree with your view. If you love the album then I’m happy for you, I don’t wish to change your view or encourage you to burn your copy. That’s nonsensical. But it seems like people are almost afraid to bitch this record out and you’re one of those people. Giving it credits like ‘derivative’ and ‘limited’ is a major problem. I’ve seen other reviews you’ve done and I liked them, especially the A Silver Mount Zion review. It seems curious to praise them, bands with a real sound of their own, and then give the Strokes the same number of stars whilst damning them with the derivative-limited agenda.


Disagreed somewhat

I think Room on Fire is great. While many things the Strokes do with their music seem derivative, the end product is a thing of its own. I'm sorry, but no band sounds like the Strokes. I'd put them in my top 10 bands in the world right now in terms of great making records (2 for 2). Let me know which album(s) this year are better than this one, cuz I ain't found them.

Compared to "Is This It?", the band has improved in almost every way. The songs are at least as catchy - there are more potential singles here than in "Is This It?". There are a lot of new sounds. And for any of those people that have really listened to "Is This it?" many times and know it well, you can't deny that it's a noticeble change, and a step forward.

What I disagree with the most is the notion that basic guitar-bass-drums bands might be limited or automatically derivative. And I can't believe the reviewer feels like he has to apologize for liking it:

"In truth, if you can recognize its limitations and understand that far better records have been made this year, then it's possible to enjoy 'Room On Fire' for what it really is..."

What? "far better records"??? WTF? Why the disclaimer man? Have some balls.

Re: Disagreed somewhat

This year has been mostly disappointing I'd say. But try:

Arab Strap's "Monday at the Hug and Pint"
Explosions in the Sky's "The Earth is Not a Cold Dead Place"

Delightful.

Re: fantastic

pah. 'underrated', jesus, now i fucking wish..
fair point with who that criticism applies to though

doesnt change the fact that theyre so woefully mediocre the majority of the time. that's my problem with them (well one of the main ones), hacks' hyperbolic droolings just exasserbate the whole situation further. and christ, anyway, if mediocrity was what i wanted then i'd be happy as a pig in shit with some of the stuff currently around, especially with reminders of the strokes' supposed 'genius' thrust in my face with nauseating regularity for the past 2 and a half years now, ever since the days after that static, chronically boring Brats show down the bill at the astoria

im not gonna stop you listening to yr strokes records tho :) but i aint holding my tongue..

Re: unoriginal yet definitive

hell yeah - i'd much rather hear the Roll Deep lp when it comes out than waste another half hour of my life giving a strokes lp the time of day ;)

Re: Disagreed somewhat

disappointing, wha? ohh, come on...!! deadly albums from LFO, lightning bolt, blur, four tet, jeffrey lewis, Remarc, broken social scene, spiritualized, chris clark, the blood brothers, manitoba, tomahawk, the hells, the kills, venetian snares, dizzee, dirty 3....
and they're just a few things off the top of my head, and just albums. + the new missy and kelis ones arent even out yet...

I'm assuming neil's list of far better records included these and more and just got far too long when he thought about it and had to edit it out.......

Re: Disagreed somewhat

i'd mostly go along with that (except venetian snares, who is on a mission to destroy my head), there's also some wonderful records by Herman Dune, M83, Calexico, Goldcard, Royal City, Tes, The Shins, The Postal Service, Silver Mt Zion...

Re: Disagreed somewhat

i'll have to confess to not knowing many of the bands that you list .... but if you like manitoba and the hells then i know that i certainly can't trust you.
music has never been worse.

Re: Disagreed somewhat

hmmm... the hells i have no opinion about either way, but manitoba's 'up in flames' is wonderful. you're right though... you certainly can't trust me...

Mediocre

Finally succumbed to the hype at the weekend and bought the Strokes album - I've given it 4 plays and, with one or two exceptions, can find nothing here of any interest whatsover. Wall to wall mediocrity which, despite their claims to be perfectionists, sounds like nothing much more than what was swept from the cutting room floor after the first album - average musicians peddling average tunes in a joyless, plodding fashion with Casablancas' weak and increasingly irritating drawl over the top. So why so much hype? - because they are image-concious pretty boys who fitted the zeitgeist and because payola lives in many forms. If they are responsible for a raft of more challenging and innovative guitar bands subsequently coming through then we owe them our thanks but they should enjoy their barely-merited extended stay in the limelight whilst it lasts. In the meantime if you want your guitar bands to be innovative, passionate, tuneful, inspiring, articulate, musically-gifted, and not distracted by hype, image and a need to cosy up to every rock journalist in sight, then check out the criminally ignored Six by Seven before it's too late.

come ON...

its crap! aside from the first two tracks the album is a trudging and overwrought mess! Half the songs are just inexcusable filler, tuneless and running the motions... I thought The Strokes were supposed to be this inventive band? instead the songs finish as they begun with very little change inbetween... I can't understand where all this praise is coming from, quite frankly the album gives me a headache!


I recommend every take a look at The Fiery Furnace's "Gallowsbird's Bark"... now theres expert songcraft and a highly tuneful album that isn't grating on the ears! and HEY, you don't even have to pretend to like because its "trendy"...

Re: come ON...

Finally succumbed to the hype at the weekend and bought the Strokes album - I've given it 4 plays and, with one or two exceptions, can find nothing here of any interest whatsover. Wall to wall mediocrity which, despite their claims to be perfectionists, sounds like nothing much more than what was swept from the cutting room floor after the first album - average musicians peddling average tunes in a joyless, plodding fashion with Casablancas' weak and increasingly irritating drawl over the top. So why so much hype? - because they are image-concious pretty boys who fitted the zeitgeist and because payola lives in many forms. If they are responsible for a raft of more challenging and innovative guitar bands subsequently coming through then we owe them our thanks but they should enjoy their barely-merited extended stay in the limelight whilst it lasts. In the meantime if you want your guitar bands to be innovative, passionate, tuneful, inspiring, articulate, musically-gifted, and not distracted by hype, image and a need to cosy up to every rock journalist in sight, then check out the criminally ignored Six by Seven before it's too late.

Re: come ON...

...were doing soooo well until you mentioned Six By Seven...

Re: come ON...

Please attach your ears and reconsider this comment

Re: come ON...

okay... let's for the sake of argument say that The Strokes are 'average musicians peddling average tunes in a joyless, plodding fashion'... that makes Six By Seven what exactly? A 'fireball of psycho-phonic fury and genre-bending, embittered brilliance?' Don't...think so.

put it this way, they weren't atop of my list when i was talking about how there'd be better albums released this year, but each to their own...

Re: Disagreed somewhat

I said MOSTLY didn't I?

I guess I was referring to expecting particiular albums to be great and they turn out to be mediocre-poor in my opinion. e.g. Room on Fire, Hail to the Thief, Happy Songs For Happy People....

Maybe I should check out some stuff on your list!

Re: come ON...

Neil R with you not being a disciple of SixBySeven perhaps you're the wrong person to ask but here goes anyway.You may (or may not) know that a recent Sixby Seven gig in London Town was recently postponed and is to be rescheduled for December,however the Strokes are also playing the smoke in the same month.What would you do if you had tickets for both gigs and they both happened to occur on the same night?Which band would be honoured by your presence?
Please enlighten me!

Re: come ON...

errrm... which do you prefer the most; 'The Way I Feel Today' and the latest 6x7 single, or 'Room On Fire?' Bands always have the habit of playing mostly new material.. so if you think the new 6x7 stuff is dodgy, then you're better off going to the strokes. however, you would make *a lot* of money by selling your strokes tickets....

Re: come ON...

I actually like Room on Fire.

On first listen I was really disappointed and thought it was a poor.

I've now listened to it a few times and am liking it more and more as the melodies seep into my brain. And the melodies keep returning to me when I'm doing the most mundane and unusal things. To me, it really shows the sound of a band who are under massive pressure and the songs feel very sorrowful to me - sort of like the sound of a band trying really hard to match the hype they've had heaped on them. Of course, this is an impossible task and J Casablancas has turned out some really sad songs here I think.

I'm seeing it as kind of a Pinkerton type effect (although admittedly, I thought Pinkerton was genius upon first listen).

Basically I say persevere with this one and the rewards are there in a different way.

Easypeasyflingling

Simple: flog the ticket to the Strokes gig for a hundred quid minimum.

Odd theory: could the reason that Room on Fire hasn't gotten one slating in any major review I've seen actually be because it isn't as pop as the first effort and, as most reviewers are white males who understand the joy of searching for limited release of 40 singles on pink vinyl, the indier than thou element enjoys Room on Fire much more because it is less straightforward? I mention this after reading the review in Toronto's 'eye' newspaper (free every Thursday, very arty) where the reviewer claimed that the stint the Strokes had with Guided by Voices as their tour partners has had an effect:"...while the band's Guided by Voices mentorship has taught Casablancas how to really nail a teary, beery chorus..."

Now I have nothing against Guided by Voices, they're decent in their own way despite frequent claims from certain fields that they are some of the most genius songwriters on the planet, and three of their albums sits in my cupboard o' music. But christ, comparing the Strokes to GBV?!? Compare Christina Aguilera to Sepultura and I'll get back to you. What sort of person thinks 'Hurrah. the Strokes now sound a bit more like Guided by Voices'? Indier-than-thou in excelsis. Selah.

http://eye.net/eye/issue/issue_10.23.03/music/ondisc.html

Re: Easypeasyflingling

Playlouder got it spot on: http://www.playlouder.com/review/+roomonfire/

Guardian too: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/reviews/story/0,11712,1064268,00.html


and I think Blender gave it an average review...

these people obviously made up their minds after hearing the album

Re: Easypeasyflingling

yeah, 'cos i'd actually written my review before i'd heard the album. in fact, i'd written it before i even heard of the strokes. it's been stored in formaldehyde and kept underground for the past five years, waiting for an occasion such as this...

and as for the playlouder review... well, i'm pretty sure you can't trust anything that concludes by including the words "this isn't it." it sounds like it was created in a primary school pun factory...

Re: Mediocre

can find nothing here of any interest whatsover

Thank you

Re: Easypeasyflingling

oh HAH AHAHAH AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa.... does that make you feel better?

as for playlouder, they appear to be one of the only sites to actually stand up and criticise The Strokes... because in all, Room On Fire isn't that grand, its not going to be remembered for much because the tunes simply aren't there! simple as...

oh and at least PL manage to be consistent with reviews, instead of this place where you are consistently off the mark and give people albums to review who are obviously unqualified to do so...

Re: Easypeasyflingling

y'know... i feel strangely cleansed after that little rant.

listen...there's nothing wrong at all with people criticising 'Room On Fire;' it's what happens when people have opinions. but it's one thing making an intelligent case against the record (see the posts above by Dr Furry), and another thing to pass off a clumsy, ill-informed hodgepodge of misdirected cynicism as a competent review - something Playlouder seem to have done with their article. i'm not saying that makes mine a glowing example of cultural criticism (because to be honest, i've written better), but at least, no matter how odious you may think my opinions are, i'm able to back them up...

oh, and yes, Drowned In Sound's reviews may be inconsistent, but that's because they're written by honest individuals and not a team of like-minded indie clones...

i'm feeling even better now. drunken rants are almost better than prozac. almost...

Re: Easypeasyflingling

I dunno, I think PL get the point across pretty well... The Strokes are simply retreading old ground, without the tunes they had last time! and when there are bands out there doing it better (Fiery Furnaces, Deadly Snakes, Chinese Stars), The Strokes have all of a sudden become obsolete... in that reviewer's opinion ;) But I think The Guardian put it slightly more eloquently by basically saying half the album is just FILLER...

Intelligence? In this lifetime?



It’s impossible to write a glowing piece of cultural analysis or criticism about this record because it doesn't spark anything off in that field. It doesn’t ask questions, it doesn’t raise issues: much of the lyrical content sounds like Julian having a great big bitch at some people who have slighted him. They’re into cynical rock star mode already? Damn. Does this mean the next record’s going to be going into ‘Heathen Chemistry’ territory already? Playlouder does get it right by saying the lyrics are grumpy but that end pun can never be forgiven. It’s one thing to criticize an album for being lazy and indulgent but closing off your commentary with that sort of pithy no-brainer cuts down your argument.

Everyone is qualified to review an album. You don’t have to be deeply embroiled in the pop world in order to review a Kylie album nor blessed as a member of the Indie Freemasonry to review something on a limited edition 7”. There’s no qualification process that you go through and get freeze-branded with at the end of the process. All you need is a love of music and a passion to write about it. In the end of the day, I don’t care if Neil’s opinion is that Room on Fire is a great record because his opinion isn’t so monumentally forceful that it’ll make me go and buy the album. Nobody’s opinion is that forceful. All you do is read their words, agree or disagree and then come to your own simple conclusion. Arguing about it is valid though, discussing music is a shitload of fun. Going out on the ladder and saying ‘Oh, your opinion sucks leper cock, you’re unqualified to write a review, fatang fatang etc’ is futile and wasteful.

As for the accusation that I debate intelligently… I’d prefer ‘personal rant with occasional long words in a desperate attempt to look like the owner of a thesaurus’ but I take what odd praise I can. And the Deadly Snakes aren’t very good at all. Playing at being rock stars… my wife went to school with them and says they haven’t changed. Ah the joy of living in Toronto…

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I thought being a young band was ALL about playing at being rock stars, nicking riffs and generally having fun with sound? ... at least they do what what they do well! The Strokes can't even to do that now :O

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The current issue of Rolling Stone landed in my mailbox this morning and it’s based around a large Strokes interview. Personally I think it’s the best article I’ve read about them since NME’s interview a few years back just prior to the Reading festival. That article was exciting, it showed them being cool as fuck rock stars, they looked the part, they talked the part and, most critically, their music backed up their feelings. It was an article that made you want to be like them, like the early Oasis interviews did.

The RS article is the flip side of the coin. In it, they talk of music and how Julian receiving a Velvet Underground CD from Nikolai’s brother was a huge catalyst, how it made them want to take the model provided by the Velvets and bring it up and into the commercial mainstream, and how hearing the Velvets gave them the spark that made Is This It? so fucking good. It all goes downhill from there. Albert Hammond talks of the musical influences that helped shape the songs: Cyndi Lauper, Guns n’ Roses, basslines from the Cure. Some feature films watched are mentioned: Pretty in Pink and Fletch. There’s a picture of Hammond and Valensi hanging out with lovers and friends like Amanda de Cadenet, Perry Farrell and Hilary Swank, at a Marc Jacobs fashion show. The musical and film influences are all 80’s, the fashion show image is one of media celeb togetherness. It seems like the Strokes left the 60s and 70s and hopped onto the fucking 80s revival, the one that gives Duran Duran lifetime achievement awards (despite doing fuck all beside making music videos as 'important' as the music itself, style and gloss over content and music), the one that lets a group as godawful as Fischerspooner exist, the 80s vibe that gives us Vice magazine, bad fashion and a big thumbs up to snorting coke. The 1980s was the most culturally deprived decade in existence, especially the middle part of that decade. If this is the cultural pool that inspire the Strokes then it backs up everything I feel about this album and how lazy it is.

Take these two quotes from the article:

“…The actual seed for the Strokes was planted when Pierre, the brothers of Strokes bassist Nikolai Fraiture, gave Casablancas a Velvet Underground CD for Christmas while he was in high school. The music was an epiphany… The dream when they formed the Strokes, according to Casablancas, “revolved around taking the Velvet Underground and thinking ‘If only they were really famous’. And the goal was to be really cool and nonmainstream, and be really popular… Why does everything that has to be big and popular suck?… I got a problem with that, so I’m trying to do something about it…”

That is a clear statement about the original intent of their music. However, you can follow this up with a later quote which totally encapsulates everything I’ve bored everyone shitless with, during the course of my rantings in this thread:

“…Guided by Voices, a band that, according to Fraiture, the Strokes aspire to be like: semipopular, making enough money to survive and staying in the game long enough to release more than a dozen albums”.

Wheeeew. The career mentality has set in already. Just that whole word ‘semipopular’ conjures up images. The rock n’ roll fireballs that you were jealous about not being now don’t want to be those guys anymore. You think of that image from the fashion show, the celebrity relationships, the money, the decadence, and then think of that last quote and only one thing comes to mind: complacency. They’ve got their rewards, a nice life, the music doesn’t matter so much. They’re slipped into Be Here Now mode without the string arrangements, divorce proceedings and release of a ‘more mature’ second album. For Patsy Kensit and Meg Matthews, read Drew Barrymore and Amanda de Cadenet. Harsh? Perhaps but the Oasis similarities discussed in the Guardian review are there for all to see.

This actually isn’t the main thing I get from reading this article. I can’t quote all of it but I suggest people go to Rolling Stone’s website and see if it’s up there. I get the overwhelming opinion that celebrity status and magazine covers does not make Julian a happy boy. I think it’s telling that he’s the only single member of the band, the final section interviews him and he actually comes across as being pissed off with the whole celebrity ride but still fanatical about the music. When the Vines came along, NME made some stupid fucking comparison with Craig Nicholls and Cobain, stupid claims about Craig’s sanity and if he’d be the next rock n’ roll casualty. The RS article gives off the impression that all is not well in the mind of Mr. Casablancas.

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i'm not sure that those quotes are entirely fair. while the strokes wanted the music they made to be recognised for the wonderful racket that it is; i've never read any interview that suggested they wanted to be lauded as the rock 'n roll saviours they have been cited as by the NME & suchlike.

it therefore seems completely logical to aspire to be something like Guided By Voices. GBV have never been a career band (they've merely been able to make enough money to dedicate their lives to their music); but a band that has enjoyed the constant devotion of the music press (i'm still yet to read a bad review of Earthquake Glue), has been able to release consistently wonderful albums, and hasn't had to sacrifice their creativity for the sake of fame. that's really not a bad thing to try and aspire to; all a matter of interpretation really, and god knows the strokes don't project themselves particularly well in interviews...

i'm not entirely sure all of these oasis comparisons are that useful either. okay, so both bands had critically adored debuts and hugely hyped follow-ups, but that's about as far as the similarities go. for a start, oasis were dole-queue dependants who *had* to make music, or else face life on the dole or in some dead-end job; the strokes were rich, pretty public-schoolers. second, the stokes have never had the pretentions to be the greatest band in the world that oasis claimed to be, and thirdly, 'Room On Fire' really isn't on the same level as 'morning glory.' i really do believe that on their second album, the strokes had refined their craft, and improved on what made their debut album (which by the way, i didn't rate that much)...

We're going to win the Test match


I don’t disagree with you Neil over the Strokes not wanting to be The Answers To The Prayers of Rock n’ Roll (copyright reserved for bad NME hacks). They claimed the same for Campag Velocet so all NME opinion is worthless and we’ll leave them to their website and their annoying advertising (how many fucking pop-ups does one site need?). But starting out wanting to bring the spirit of the Velvets to the mainstream and ending up now wanting to be semi-popular, in other words to not embrace the mainstream to a degree and remain on the periphery, and be as popular as Guided by Voices seems endemic of two possibilities. One of them is a lack of ambition as I stated above, that they’ve reached the comfort zone of celebrity partners and schmoozing and the music is secondary to that. The second is that they have had their brush with the mainstream and the pressure has scared them, and it’s scared one man in particular: the lead singer. All throughout the album, Casablancas sings lyrics of frustration, annoyance, 12:51 talks of being lonely on a Friday night, Between Love and Hate bases its chorus around ‘I never needed anybody’… go through each song and the majority of the lyrics sound like a man who’s frustrated as fuck. Casablancas has spoken in the past about the pressure he felt over making the album and, after reading interviews with Gordon Raphael and others, it’s clear that Julian takes a hell of a lot of pride in his work. I defy anyone to say that those lyrics sound like a man who sounds full of the joys of life and I do recommend getting a hold of that RS interview as there’s a whole load of things in there that suggests all is not well in the Land of Julian, from his drinking habits to his regular nightmares.

The whole Guided by Voices thing is something we could debate for hours. They’re known in indie circles but the mainstream? The likes of Mercury Rev, the Flaming Lips, all of these have a greater coverage than GBV. It just feels like a cop out, that the Strokes came along and wanted to be more than bog standard indie guitar people, tasted the pop star life and are now backing toward the door marked ‘Semi-known safety’. People here can bitch about the mainstream and the pre-packaged shit that the labels dish out but there has to be an alternative provided and that alternative can only come from more left-field circles. Oasis did that, they were an alternative to the lachrymose shit in the charts then and the Strokes were the same for a while. To be part of that pop world means condensing everything into a few months, maybe a year, interviews, appearances, the gossip, all of that crap. I won’t criticize them for backing out of the pop game though, Julian’s a few months younger than me and I can’t imagine how I’d begin to handle the pressure he’s under to be this figurehead that the press seems to be screaming out that he is/should be/has to be. Perhaps it’s the ultimate proof, just like Oasis and the Manics, that the mainstream does corrupt and that is impossible to maintain your performance, your music and, frequently, your sanity when you’ve got to go around living with the celebrity trappings. Again I agree with you in that if they aspire to be like GBV in terms of integrity and creativity, then that is a good thing. Hopefully it means that they can get back to writing material with all the power and punch of the debut album and that Room on Fire is a mere blip. I believe that they have way better records to come in the future, that I am sure of.

Don’t go into the public school bullshit though man, that’s lame. Oasis may have had spells on the dole queue but they had this precious thing called talent at one point. Your comments almost sound like you look down on the Scous element. Making comments about the Scousers being dole queue regulars and the Strokes being public school guys who have had the easy ticket is as ultimately as derivative and grossly stereotypical as making generalizations about white skinny indieschmindie university student men (had it, seen it, been it). Obviously now I’m an international dandy who swans about between two continents and dines on fresh octopus as I have tonight. You can get some great seafood over here for not much money at all.

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never really been into seafood to be honest...

listen, i only mentioned the public school thing to make the (obviously not very well made) point that it seems unfair to compare The Strokes and Oasis. Both bands had vastly different lives and experiences prior to fame, both have had different experiences since, and both have had vastly different ways of dealing with their notoriety. these two bands have led such different lives, yet you're comparing them (a) because they're both in rock 'n roll bands and (b) because they both had a galvanising effect on the music scene at the time. it just doesn't seem a good basis for comparison when everything else about them is so dissimilar, that's all. the public school thing was just a crude (but not entirely irrelevant) example...

yeah yeah yeah...

but the album is STILL terrible...

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...but you're STILL wrong...

Re: Easypeasyflingling

hang on.....isn't *retreading old ground* the Strokes raison d'etre anyway??? ;)
ho ho hzzzzzz...

fuck them anyway, the ads are over & the exorcist's back on..

Yeahx3... no, they've had enough coverage already


It's not a terrible album at all, just disappointing. The first Cast album is far far worse. Neil, I'm comparing the two bands because they are the two shining lights in popular music revivalism. The pair of them have suceeded with their own brand of revisionist pop, that line from a Boo Radleys track that goes 'Take what you know, break it up and rearrange it' being totally apt. You know the influences, you know the eras but each band gave those influences their own distinctive spin, whether it featured dirty Converse shoes or enormous eyebrows. That's the principal reason why it's alright to compare the two bands.

One day there will be a huge Beach Boys revivalist period. Hopefully. It'd be funny to see the reviews on that, it's funny when a band is stated as sounding like the Beach Boys thanks to one three-part hormony in the chorus... schleppers. I think we should be crude to all public schoolboys, especially those promised seats in Parliament. Until then, I've got the Canadian electoral system to grumble about.

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"The 1980s was the most culturally deprived decade in existence, especially the middle part of that decade. "

sorry... but this is an idiotic statement. yea the 80's were just skinny ties and sunglasses just like the 70's only had bell bottoms and disco. Please!!! The Minutemen, Sonic Youth, The Pixies, The Replacements, Husker Du, Big Black, Fugazi, etc. sorry you think Michael Jackson and Poison were the only things that existed in the 80's.

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And what's the common links between the bands you mention? All guitar bands, all Yanks, not exactly big chart stars threatening to destroy Limahl. I'm talking about 1980's pop Britain, the joys of living under a Thatcher government with only Kajagoogoo to love. Watching the Jam morph into the fucking Style Council. The explosion of wanky Australian soap stars into pop stars. I lived through Stefan Dennis and the Alessi twins and I emerged outwards into the 1990's and breathed a huge fucking sigh of relief. Sure the indie underground was coming up, it’s always there, the same way it’s bursting with vitality as we sink into the quagmire of identikit pop muffins and bullshit revivalism. But the pop scene sucked dick on an elephantine level. It only occurred once I hit 11 and that teacher who kept playing the Stone Roses at lunchtime that there was more than that shit.

The Strokes - Room On Fire

I just wrote a lengthy diatribe/commentary on the 'discussion' between Neil and DrFurry and promptly deleted it by a mistake. I am going to be briefer this time... I'll start by staking out where I stand. I have two favourite bands: the Strokes and the Stone Roses. Musically socially continentally worlds apart. The only thing you could say they have in common is the fact that both made albums that might make Top Ten Debuts of all time lists (if you like that sort of 'chat'). I think Room on Fire is an absolute triumph. I will go further and say that is a sign of greater things to come: the weaker tracks on the album (though as a massive fan I can't really speak of such...) are the 'old' ones on the album, the ones that had been kicking around on the net and in their sets (Bathroom, way it is, between love and hate (ze newie anyone?), and you talk way too much). The other seven songs I think are a lot better.

Songs 1 -3 are just amazing.
Whatever Happened - preempts the critics with 'did they offend us cos they want it to sound new?' It is obvious they LIKE playing that sort of music - they ENJOY staccato guitars and beats, drawled slightly distorted vocals, a pared-down sound etc. That is why they got rid of Godrich for Pete's sake. To be honest, whey people snipe saying they are rehashing the same formula, it is clear that frankly they don't really care. If the tunes are different (which these are) then so what? And as for that bit where Julian growls 'Oh Tennessee what did you write???' Presumably he is talking about Williams, but in what context? It doesn't really matter - that I think is Casablancas' great art. In couplets he manages to allude to a greater whole, a sense of something ungraspable, unfathomable, a deeper emotion. Being slightly lost, but enjoying the rollercoaster of it all. Hey, it beats 'A man should never dream these kind of things/Especially when she came and spread her wings'... The use of 'especially' in a way of which a four year old would be proud.
Reptilia - Albert's guitar riff. Wow wow wow. The energy and mesmeric confusion coupled with the raucous line 'yeah the night's not over you're not trying hard enough'... is just amazing.
I am not going to go through the whole album like that, don't worry. Neil, I really enjoyed your review.

Interestingly (in my opinion!) I disagree with your take on the Strokes 'not caring about our pain'. You seem to have formed the opinion that they have struck gold and are going onwards and upwards to greater things and are pleased that their songs make us feel better but ultimately don't care. I don't think that is really the case. As the Rolling Stone article suggested (though Dr Furry I did not really care for your 'watching a train crash' attitude to Julian - so what if he is the only single member of the band? Big f'in deal - it's not as if he couldn't get have a girlfriend if he tries) the band do have issues and all is not that rosey (excuse the pun). A quick dip through their lyrics reveal a band/singer who is slightly lost and complicated - not unlike all that many 25 year olds. His music means a LOT to him as a refuge and inspiration and you have to admire their work ethic, and refusal to compromise. They have a good life, yes, they don't have the answers and at the moment they are having a damn good time.

Live. Room on Fire comes into its own in a way you cannot possibly imagine (unless of course you have seen it). I went to the two london shows this weekend and I can honestly I have not seen a better gig in a very very long time. 'Incendiary' is a great hack word but they really were. I have been on a high all week since those two gigs and I don't think I am alone.

It is a great album. Broken Social Scene is also a great album but whereas BSS has a rambling feel to it punctuated by 'singles' Room on Fire is stripped. In that album a riff will pop up for 4 bars which would form the substance of an entire song in a lesser band's repertoire. Never has 33 minutes had quite so many ideas crammed into it. A bit like a great Simpsons episode - if you aren't concentrating, you'll miss the good bits. I think it's a better album than Is This It?, in the long run. Saying that I don't think they will ever replicate the heights of Hard to Explain, but hey, that's about the best song ever. In my opinion...

But Six by Seven????? Please....

It's a funny business. Somehow Flaming Lips managed to avoid a slating for Yoshimi. Although good, it is markedly inferior to Soft Bulletin, and yet Wayne Coyne, being the nicest man on earth with all those fluffy toys on stage with him, escapes the firing line. The Strokes, 'hyped up rich boys', are the easiest targets since Kula Shaker but I can't bear it when a reviewer plays the lone ranger card and tries to stake a claim as the man who shot JC.

Another thing is I quite like the fact that the Strokes have broken class tradition and have dared to be successful when they are so, shhhhhh, Port Out Starboard Home... Why the hell not? Why does a rock band have to be belligerent and raging, from the wrong side of the tracks and wearing a tracksuit? A lot of hacks probably hate the Strokes because they think they wouldn't have spoken to them in their uni bar. The irony is that they are probably wrong.

I have babbled on long enough and this missive has precious little structure. I just cannot help but think that you, Dr Furry, will grow to like it more and more and more.

Everything's alright forever...

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if that's brief, i'd hate to see you when you're long.

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Hmmm, yes, forgot I'd said I was brief. I lied. Probably took longer than the album to read it.

The Strokes - Room On Fire

I greatly enjoyed this album, although I have to admit that it is more of the same, and not the great leap forward that NME would have us believe. Saying that, however, the Strokes should be commended for opening the way for the White Stripes, the Libertines, Black Rebel, the Vines, Kings of Leon, the Hives, Jet, Yeah Yeah Yeahs and a whole slew of other great bands. And finally, thank fuck that the Strokes destroyed the nu-metal shite that was clogging up the airwaves: never again will we see Fred Durst, Jonathen Davis and all the other fat, American, middle-class, whiteboy dickheads with a chip on their shoulder because someone called them a name about ten years ago. The Strokes still need to improve and change, but for now, Room on Fire is enough.

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listen to both albums together its hard to tell which track is on hwich album :]. (ok i exagerate a little...)
the nme review is shocking, nothing on the second album they hadn't tryed or experimented with on the first. room on fire sure isn't going to win over anyone who didnt like is this it.

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