At the Drive-In: Anthology

erm. arc arsenal is their best track. alpha centauri would be nice.
acutally farenheit is their best track from el gran orgo. the chorus sings more than one note....
They should cover "we are the champions" that would have been interesting....

thank got for the split of atd-i. without it the greatest rock band of today- the mars volta wouldnt exist. thank you. thank you so much.

Re-releasing their material is utterly worthless. They should release a DVD of live stuff and video's. That would be entertaining. Some of the B-sides are pretty good though, so unreleased songs and b-sides will be nice. I hope they include some of the Hell Paso E.P.

One would assume that as the Anthology includes music vids and live footage, that it's a dvd. But this info is currently available.

I quite liked sparta, it was pretty straight forward, Mars volta was too led zep for me. Glad theres something newish coming out from ATDI, seems everyone is rehashing themselves these days though.

"Complication" - the Monks
"Sink" - Big Flame (anyone else 'member Big Flame?)
Curtis Mayfield's "If there's a Hell Below, we're all gonna go"...hmm more Mars Volta than ATD-I stuff, this one...

Anyone else see the spectacular, but really, really not fun at all gig at the Astoria, shortly before they split up? Did anyone else think they were a bit pissy about, what was after all, extremely tame moshing. "Young man, did you move during that song, what would Mr MacKaye say?" Every time someone so much as coughed, Jim Ward spewed out several minutes of teacherish chastisement, to the frankly pathetic applause of the assembled wisps.

Anyone see Defacto at the Monarch. Anyone else think it was alright, actually?

I was at that gig, Tommy. I was right at the back of the venue, and at the time I was extremely impressed with ATDI's attitude about the crowd not hurting each other.

Yep, they were ripping off Fugazi, but it's a noble thing to rip off in my book. Like they said on the night, shake your ass but don't break people's necks. In my book, anyone leaving a gig with so much as a cricked neck they didn't ask for is inexcusable. Those who mosh around frequently hurt people on the fringes who just want to watch the band.

A tricky one, though.

I can see where they're coming from - from all accounts, violence at punk shows in the 80s, escpecially in the States could get shockingly ugly and you can't have music turning into an arena for knuckleheads to pummle each other into the ground.

At the ATD-I show, I really didn't see any more than a bit of jumping around. Cedric, or maybe Jim, ordering the crowd to 'jump up and down, not back and forward' or summat, was really counter-productive in that, rather than a natural crowd dynamic, surging back and forward, you had a situation where people were trying to be as rigid as possible creating far more turbulence in the crowd as people pushed back against each other in order not to move from their little spot.

Discouraging violence at gigs is, of course, noble, but it's a question of both perspective and manner. You can use gentle persuation or even, good lord, wit. Often, all it takes is to remind people that others are getting hurt, to snap them out of their limb-flailing japery. I've seen numerous scuffles broken up by the good-humoured intervention of the band, be it Goldblade, Fugazi, or even Blink bloody 182 (I was at a festival, I was bored, I'm not proud of what I did, but I went and watched them, it's in the past now...they were dead good, actually).

Jim and Cedric were openly antagonistic of the crowd, which of course makes for a more tense atmosphere in which, well, shit is gonna go off. To be fair, they were on the verge of splitting up, you can't balme them for being tense and pissed-off themselves, but it didn't help too calm any violence that might have happened. I'm not saying gig-goers are precious little flowers who deserve to be gently soothed into a well behaved calm, but it's only common sense that if the band are openly angry at the crowd, or a section of it, the crowd is going to respond with more anger, not by simmering down.

As far as getting a cricked neck, despite being a nine stone weakling, I've always been the first to dive into the pit and take vicious beats from grizzled old punks, but if someone has paid their money and would rather stand and watch the band, then yeah, there's no justification for them suffering injury or even discomfort. (If, on the other hand, they're a journo who got in for free, they deserve all manner of bullying...) You can't really stop people moshing, a ban would be all but unenforcable, and would probably just create a more uptight atmosphere where real violence would go off. All you can do is encourage a less macho environment. I guess the problem is partly that venues are so packed out, that there's no room to dance, unless you want to shuffle like an uncle at a wedding it's often a choice of standing stock still or moshing. Now, there'd be a nice treat, more dancing at rock gigs.

Tell you what really pisses me off, though. Often you'll get one or two gnarly old punks starting a lone moshpit, which you feel obliged to join, in the name of charity! Said oldster(s) then pursue you throughout the gig, dragging you into sweaty shennanigans and, inevitably knocking you into innocent bystanders invoking their scowlwrath. At your age, you really should know better, gents...

The irony is that if Cedric was even half as animated in a crowd as he was on stage he'd probably break a few necks.

yup i remember that. didn't they throw a kid out for surfing during napoleon solo?

it was a pretty lacklustre gig, not really worthy of them as a band. it had none of the energy they were so capable of.

i missed defacto. when was that?

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if we're talking about violent moshpits, ATD-I should see Hatebreed, not that it's anything to be proud of.

Is Casino/In/Out any good?

i only just found out that they split up

( i know, i know....but hey better late than never right??!?)

not surprised they broke up...reading their interviews, there was always a sense that their...IDEALISM...was just waiting to be broken into a million fragments by the rigours of the industry they jumped headfirst into.

I just hope One-Armed Scissor and that creepy track with the Iggy Pop spokenword are on this anthology.

nooo, there was definitely a track where Iggy had a speaking part. Something to do with somebody being kidnapped, or a tiger or something.

Or i may have just dreamt it all.

WHAT?
Iggy was on Rolodex Propaganda?
When/how were people informed of this?

*reaches for R.O.C. sleevenotes*

And the best song HAS to be COSMONAUT.

All of the above as well as

Star Slight
Pattern Against User
Bradley Smith
Hourglass
Salient
Lopsided
Doorman's Placebo
Rascuache
198d

Too many great songs, Thanks the good lord they split though. The Mars Volta is something else.

The prospect of an atdi anthology being released excites me more than you can imagine! I also hope that they go on a reunion tour, even though it is very very unlikely that they ever will. If the anthology has any live performaances on it I want to see alpha centauri, hulahoop wounds, red planet and one armed scissor on there for sure! Does anyone else think that a reunion tour may be on the cards?