Careless Talk: New Year, Old Year.
Tis the time o'year to rundown what happened over the past 12months and infamous hack Everett True and the CARELESS TALK COSTS LIVES crew are doing it online radio style..
This year "a true alternative to the decaying music press finally exists" as they bravely proclaimed themselves, hit the shelves of record and bookshops across the land. Everett True, once editor of Melody Maker and Vox (y'know the mag, it had ace free tapes!), plus writer of the brilliant 'Live Through This: American Rock Music in the 90s'; has said that this magazine is counting down from 12-1 and when it hits 1, BOOM! No more crappy smash hits wannabe alternative music press, just quality, honesty and integrity (not a direct quote!). It's the only mag most of the DiS staff read!
They get one step closer to their goal with Issue #6, because it will be distributed in more newsagents nationwide (tho you may have to ask them to order it!). For a list of stockists click here. It hits our mean streets on January 2nd with Nick Cave on the cover or if you can find one, they have 1000 limited edition versions of the cover which feature Erase Errata. The next issue highlights include: Bright Eyes, Electrelane, Ladytron, Gold Chains, Cat Power, Graham Coxon, Kid 606, Godspeed, and Electric Six!
Anyway, that end of year, rundown of 2002, online radio show tracklisting is as follows and you can listen to it over at totallyradio.com
The Kills: Black Rooster (Domino)
The Liars: Grown Men Don’t Fall In The River… (Blast First)
Bright Eyes: From A Balance Beam (Wichita)
Kid 606 Vs Dalek: Ruin It, Ruin Them, Ruin Yourself, Then… (Tigerbeat6)
Transistor Six: Fire In Suburbia (Blackbean And Placenta)
The Guy Who Invented Fire: Pretty Girl (Intellectos)
The Breeders: Son Of Three (4AD)
Electrelane: I Want To Be The President (Let’s Rock!)
Slumber Party: I’m Not Sad (kill rock stars)
The Buff Medways: Troubled Mind (Transcopic)
McLusky: To Hell With Good Intention (Too Pure)
The Lonesome Organist: The Lonesome Organist Theme (Thrill Jockey)
Aspera: Sugar Walls (Jagjaguwar)
The Langley Schools Music Project: In My Room (Bar None)
Teenage Fanclub And Jad Fair: I Feel Fine (Geographic)
Scout Niblett: Linus (Too Pure)
Comet Gain: Carry On Living (Milou Studios)
Electric Six: Danger! High Voltage! (XL)
The Gossip: Arkansas Heat (kill rock stars)
Erase Errata: Retreat, The Most Familiar, Extensive, I Bet! (Tigerbeat6)
Mooz: Pepperpot (Sink And Stove)
Giant Sand: El Paso/Out On The Weekend (Thrill Jockey)
Songs: Ohia: Two Blue Lights (Secretly Canadian)
Little Japanese Toy: N= (Sickroom)
Sportique: The Dying Fly (Matinee)
Lone Pigeon: Concubine Rice (Sketchbook)
Buck 65: Square One (excerpt) (Warners)
Yeah Yeah Yeahs: Mystery Girl (Wichita)
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Careless Talk: New Year, Old Year.
i think careless talk is full of shit.
Re: Careless Talk: New Year, Old Year.
How enlightening! What mag to you like? Infact, which one do you run? Just curious..
meet the new music press, same as the old press
i'll give ctcl this...
-better than average writing,
-quality of art/design
-lofty ideals.
but problems remain...
-claim to represent 'outsiders' when they are run by patent insiders
-still clinging to calcified visions of 'punk' meaning incompetance as aesthetic ideal
-still clinging to outdated notions of criticism/media as one-sided pronouncements, not discource.
ctcl may be the best we've got, but ultimately it is just not as rewarding as interactive discouse-based mediasuch as ilm or -gasp- the site you are reading now.
and before anyone accuses this of being sour grapes, yes, i wrote for them formerly, but stopped because i didn't find it as fulfilling as web-based scribbling.
make yer own mind up, tho. it certainly is bette than the nme, but that's not saying much. even r*e*p*e*a*t is better than the nme.
-better than average writing,
-quality of art/design
-lofty ideals.
but problems remain...
-claim to represent 'outsiders' when they are run by patent insiders
-still clinging to calcified visions of 'punk' meaning incompetance as aesthetic ideal
-still clinging to outdated notions of criticism/media as one-sided pronouncements, not discource.
ctcl may be the best we've got, but ultimately it is just not as rewarding as interactive discouse-based mediasuch as ilm or -gasp- the site you are reading now.
and before anyone accuses this of being sour grapes, yes, i wrote for them formerly, but stopped because i didn't find it as fulfilling as web-based scribbling.
make yer own mind up, tho. it certainly is bette than the nme, but that's not saying much. even r*e*p*e*a*t is better than the nme.
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i read and like the nme. i find it to be an incredibly enlightening reading experience.
Re: meet the new music press, same as the old press
I know what you mean... i find it weird that they don't have any music news (easily done online!) or even a rough gig guide to get people to the gigs, which are usually quiet hard to find out about. Seems weird supporting the underground in one way, but piling up just as many elitist blocks on the way out...
I find sometimes too that I don't end up reading about a band which months later i get a cd of or catch live and i'm like "fucking hell this band are amazing" yet they were in CTCL and I didn't even notice or started reading an article and was totally confused as to what the band sounded like that i gave up finding out what they think about teenage mothers or whatever.
Damn good mag tho, but like skool reports go, could do better...
Sean
I find sometimes too that I don't end up reading about a band which months later i get a cd of or catch live and i'm like "fucking hell this band are amazing" yet they were in CTCL and I didn't even notice or started reading an article and was totally confused as to what the band sounded like that i gave up finding out what they think about teenage mothers or whatever.
Damn good mag tho, but like skool reports go, could do better...
Sean
Careless Talk: New Year, Old Year.
I'll tell you all what, the best music magazine (to buy, in paper! there are many better on the'net) is rock sound.
why? becos it literally covers everything, even if its just a few lines, and its enthusiastic. and it gets the punk guy to do the punk records, metal guy doing metal, indie doing indie, you know you're getting an honest opinion, not just some indie-schmindie guy's biased shite.
as for ctcl - never read it, but all the bands in their list get in the nme too - whilst rock sound's faves (cave in, 5ive (the rock band), isis, incubus, saves the day, strike anywhere, poor rich ones) don't. check out rock sound, its really refreshing.
why? becos it literally covers everything, even if its just a few lines, and its enthusiastic. and it gets the punk guy to do the punk records, metal guy doing metal, indie doing indie, you know you're getting an honest opinion, not just some indie-schmindie guy's biased shite.
as for ctcl - never read it, but all the bands in their list get in the nme too - whilst rock sound's faves (cave in, 5ive (the rock band), isis, incubus, saves the day, strike anywhere, poor rich ones) don't. check out rock sound, its really refreshing.
Re: meet the new music press, same as the old press
i don't think careless talk needs to have music news or gig listings. gig's aren't hard to find out about! in fact, it's pretty fucking easy if you apply yourself and find out what's going on by going to gigs, talking to people, picking up flyers and looking on the net. i dont beleive it's the job of a magazine to tell you what's going on. you need to sort your own fucking life out, and not rely on a magazine to tell you things you find out QUITE EASILY. ctcl is a bi-monthly publication, so this would just be taking up room which could be used to write about something else. mind you, 5 live reviews of the cunting yeah yeah yeah's in one issue seems to already do that so maybe i'm just howling a the moon on this one.
i don't think careless talk is full of shit, i just get hideously annoyed and aggrivated by the attitudes of the writers, and a lot of the writing in it. some aspects of it are full of shit, but it has some minor good points.
i don't think careless talk is full of shit, i just get hideously annoyed and aggrivated by the attitudes of the writers, and a lot of the writing in it. some aspects of it are full of shit, but it has some minor good points.
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rock sound is 50% good and 50% shit, but the shit half is there because it has to be. and on the whole i think it's 100% genuine.
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agreed.
i like rocksound's attitude, it's relatively free of pretension, and you do get the impression that the writers are more motivated by the music than the ligging opportunities, which is refreshing these days.
as a general magazine however i prefer ctcl - to me it's basically a better read. the quality of the writing is unsurpassable, and as a package it's unpredictable, beautifully put together, a good place to get info on bands no-one else is covering yet [or at all in some cases], and the columns are always fantastic.
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i like rocksound's attitude, it's relatively free of pretension, and you do get the impression that the writers are more motivated by the music than the ligging opportunities, which is refreshing these days.
as a general magazine however i prefer ctcl - to me it's basically a better read. the quality of the writing is unsurpassable, and as a package it's unpredictable, beautifully put together, a good place to get info on bands no-one else is covering yet [or at all in some cases], and the columns are always fantastic.
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Rocksound is the Ronseal of magazines. It is wholly efficient, and in fact very, very effective, as a music reporting/reviewing magazine.
CTCL is a load of wanky bullshit. It's a highly opinionated fanzine (as if there's any other kind) just rather more expensively stapled togethether. Incredibly well written. Incredibly beautful to read. Don't read it to actually understand what a record is actually like though. It's more like poetry than reviewing. Treat it as such?
CTCL is a load of wanky bullshit. It's a highly opinionated fanzine (as if there's any other kind) just rather more expensively stapled togethether. Incredibly well written. Incredibly beautful to read. Don't read it to actually understand what a record is actually like though. It's more like poetry than reviewing. Treat it as such?
Careless Talk: New Year, Old Year.
http://totallyradio.com/pages/archive.php
Show name: Careless Talk Costs Lives
Presenter: Stevie Chick
SUMMARY OF THE SHOW
Careless Talk’s winsome features editor excerpts his favourite records of 2002 for your charmed delectation. Includes traces of nuts, skronk, punk, and deviated soul
Scout Niblet – Gymnastic (Secretly Canadian)
Betty Harris - Break In The Road (Souljazz)
Butthole Surfers - I Hate My Job (Latino Buggerveil)
EraseErrata - Tongue Tied (Troubleman Unlimited)
The Roots - Thought @ Work (MCA)
The Kills - Cat Claw (Domino)
Mudhoney - Sonic Infusion (Sub Pop)
Lord High Fixers - You Got It (In The Red)
Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - Mean Heart (Mute)
All Girl Summer Fun Band - Girl#3 (K)
Slumberparty – Fantasy (Poptones)
K. - Everybody Knows Your Name (Tigerstyle)
Big Justoleum - Dedication To Peo (Subverse)
Mark Eitzel - More More More (New West)
Evan Dando - My Baby’s Gone (Modular Recordings)
The Gossip - Take Back The Revolution (Kill Rock Stars)
Modey Lemon - Jesus Christ (For Dinner) (A-F)
The Wooden Glass - In The Rain (Stone’s Throw)
Show name: Careless Talk Costs Lives
Presenter: Stevie Chick
SUMMARY OF THE SHOW
Careless Talk’s winsome features editor excerpts his favourite records of 2002 for your charmed delectation. Includes traces of nuts, skronk, punk, and deviated soul
Scout Niblet – Gymnastic (Secretly Canadian)
Betty Harris - Break In The Road (Souljazz)
Butthole Surfers - I Hate My Job (Latino Buggerveil)
EraseErrata - Tongue Tied (Troubleman Unlimited)
The Roots - Thought @ Work (MCA)
The Kills - Cat Claw (Domino)
Mudhoney - Sonic Infusion (Sub Pop)
Lord High Fixers - You Got It (In The Red)
Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - Mean Heart (Mute)
All Girl Summer Fun Band - Girl#3 (K)
Slumberparty – Fantasy (Poptones)
K. - Everybody Knows Your Name (Tigerstyle)
Big Justoleum - Dedication To Peo (Subverse)
Mark Eitzel - More More More (New West)
Evan Dando - My Baby’s Gone (Modular Recordings)
The Gossip - Take Back The Revolution (Kill Rock Stars)
Modey Lemon - Jesus Christ (For Dinner) (A-F)
The Wooden Glass - In The Rain (Stone’s Throw)
Re: Careless Talk: New Year, Old Year.
good point. the current one really started to annoy as so many of the reviews just didn't care what a band sounded like --- ??! c'mon....i mean, you //can// write copy that makes you as excited about an artist/band as you can be without hearing them, stevie chick's live review of Oxbow built them up to sound truly incredible, and i was fucking dying to hear their music after reading it. Only thing was, there was scant reference to *who* or any vague genre they sounded like throughout the entire piece ;)
[which can work as being a complement to SC's writing, *but*, y'know..]
oh, and i didn't get the ltd edition with Erase Errata on the front rather than nick cave, which also annoyed me.
Grr
And COME ON those records in the album reviews are NOT the best/most review-worthy/*only* albums of the past 2-3 months. surely? I mean, when you get a big chunk of the page re-appraising The Legend! (bless ET and all..but, seriously.....) as in a previous issue, surely there must be an independant PR or two out there that have missed CTCL from their radar ;)
other than that, its hard to fault it, superb as it is. I just wish the UK metal/rock press [and the scene in general..] was in a state where Kulkani would actually get the contents of his column printed in one of them - as awesome as his writing always is, Metal HAmmer/K!/Rocksound is the place and has the readership that *need* to read writing and opinion and The Truth about their heroes and their scene [not just what sub-editor's and editorial policy would allow, i'm sure his CTCL columns would never get past any of those 3 mags'] quite like this...
[i'm sure swells' singles in MH must be one of its readership's least popular parts of the mag..]
[which can work as being a complement to SC's writing, *but*, y'know..]
oh, and i didn't get the ltd edition with Erase Errata on the front rather than nick cave, which also annoyed me.
Grr
And COME ON those records in the album reviews are NOT the best/most review-worthy/*only* albums of the past 2-3 months. surely? I mean, when you get a big chunk of the page re-appraising The Legend! (bless ET and all..but, seriously.....) as in a previous issue, surely there must be an independant PR or two out there that have missed CTCL from their radar ;)
other than that, its hard to fault it, superb as it is. I just wish the UK metal/rock press [and the scene in general..] was in a state where Kulkani would actually get the contents of his column printed in one of them - as awesome as his writing always is, Metal HAmmer/K!/Rocksound is the place and has the readership that *need* to read writing and opinion and The Truth about their heroes and their scene [not just what sub-editor's and editorial policy would allow, i'm sure his CTCL columns would never get past any of those 3 mags'] quite like this...
[i'm sure swells' singles in MH must be one of its readership's least popular parts of the mag..]
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I haven't even got a copy of the new one. My subscription cheque ain't been taken out of my account yet which will probably mean they won't be sending it me for a while and I'm als guessing I missed out on the special edition cover too :o( Oh well.
Careless Talk: New Year, Old Year.
If anyone wants the limited edition CTCL cover there's about 10 left in Piccadilly Records in Manchester. By the way.
Re: Careless Talk: New Year, Old Year.
Does this magazine actually exist? I never see it anywhere.
Re: Careless Talk: New Year, Old Year.
yes. in piccadilly records for instance :op
List of Stockists
They got a handy page on their website... here or copied below...
WHERE TO BUY CARELESS TALK
Careless Talk #6 (out in January) and will be the first issue to be available nationwide from your local newsagent. If you can't find a copy, please ask behind the counter.
NATIONWIDE
Andys
Borders
Fopp
HMV
Tower Records
Virgin
Another World (Derby, Hanley, Leicester, Nottingham, Wolverhampton)
BALHAM Pennyblack
BATH Replay
BRIGHTON Bang, Borders, Edgeworld, Immediate, Rounders, University shop
BRISTOL Replay
CAMBERLEY Rockbox, Richards
CARDIFF Spillers
CARLISLE Biorhythms
CHELTENHAM Badlands
CHESHIRE Anadisc
DERBY Reveal
DUBLIN Freebird
EDINBURGH Avalanche
GLASGOW Avalanche, Fopp
HALIFAX Bradleys
IPSWICH Rex
JERSEY Telefix
KINGSTON Beggars
LEEDS Norman
LETCHWORTH Davids
LONDON Atom, Ben's, Helter Skelter, HMV (Oxford St), Rough Trade, Rhythm (Camden), Selectadisc (WI), Smallfish (EC1), Tower (Picadilly)
LUTON Vinyl Revelations
MANCHESTER Crocodile, Pelican Neck, Piccadilly, Plastic Bird, Pop Art
NEWCASTLE RPM, Spin
PRESTON Action
SHEFFIELD Forever Changes
STOCKTON Sound It Out
WALES Atom
CTCL is distributed in Australia by Shock Records:
BRISBANE Rocking Horse Records-
BRISBANE Skinny's Music
MELBOURNE Au Go Go Records
MELBOURNE Readings Books(Carlton)
PERTH Dada Records
SYDNEY Red Eye Records
SYDNEY Utopia Records
WHERE TO BUY CARELESS TALK
Careless Talk #6 (out in January) and will be the first issue to be available nationwide from your local newsagent. If you can't find a copy, please ask behind the counter.
NATIONWIDE
Andys
Borders
Fopp
HMV
Tower Records
Virgin
Another World (Derby, Hanley, Leicester, Nottingham, Wolverhampton)
BALHAM Pennyblack
BATH Replay
BRIGHTON Bang, Borders, Edgeworld, Immediate, Rounders, University shop
BRISTOL Replay
CAMBERLEY Rockbox, Richards
CARDIFF Spillers
CARLISLE Biorhythms
CHELTENHAM Badlands
CHESHIRE Anadisc
DERBY Reveal
DUBLIN Freebird
EDINBURGH Avalanche
GLASGOW Avalanche, Fopp
HALIFAX Bradleys
IPSWICH Rex
JERSEY Telefix
KINGSTON Beggars
LEEDS Norman
LETCHWORTH Davids
LONDON Atom, Ben's, Helter Skelter, HMV (Oxford St), Rough Trade, Rhythm (Camden), Selectadisc (WI), Smallfish (EC1), Tower (Picadilly)
LUTON Vinyl Revelations
MANCHESTER Crocodile, Pelican Neck, Piccadilly, Plastic Bird, Pop Art
NEWCASTLE RPM, Spin
PRESTON Action
SHEFFIELD Forever Changes
STOCKTON Sound It Out
WALES Atom
CTCL is distributed in Australia by Shock Records:
BRISBANE Rocking Horse Records-
BRISBANE Skinny's Music
MELBOURNE Au Go Go Records
MELBOURNE Readings Books(Carlton)
PERTH Dada Records
SYDNEY Red Eye Records
SYDNEY Utopia Records
Re: List of Stockists
they definitely have them in the big hmv oxford st in london.
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Re: List of Stockists
yeah, they even got in hmv in reading!
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