DiS poll: would you stop using P2P if you got a warning from your ISP?
Without wanting to sound like Victor Meldrew, I really-really can't believe the findings of a recent study about file-sharing and would like to poll you lot please.
According to a study, the BBC are this morning reporting that almost 75% of 'music pirates' would stop doing so if their ISP told/asked them. This was the result of survey of a mere 1500 UK consumers and it's not clear whether most of whom would also tell a white lie if asked if they've ever smoked a spliff or pinched a lolly from newsagent.
The BBC remarked: "just over half of those questioned said they got music from legal subscription sites, or those supported by ads."
Russell Hart, chief executive of Entertainment Media Research also commented "It is quite evident that an ISP-led strategy has bite, because illegal downloaders are fairly convinced that ISPs are currently monitoring their activities and are more likely to act against them than the courts."
This makes me wonder:
1) Do you use legal services for all your downloading? If so, which ones and why?
2) How many people here would stop downloading if their ISP told them to stop? Wouldn't you just move ISP?
And a third question for you: 25% of those surveyed said MySpace was their favourite site for music, would anyone else here say they prefer MySpace over Last.fm, Hype Machine or othersuch superior technologies? Has anyone tried Spotify yet?
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I would never
Pay for an MP3. If I pay money I want artwork and something I can physically hold in my hands.
I would
Mainly because the good lady popisdead has told me so. She pays for the intermaweb so I've already had my first warning. Also as we're on cable for phone and everything I can't just change isp without a load of hassle (We've tried but BT suck monkey balls and failed to connect a phone line which is kind of needed). There are ways and means of hiding IP addresses if you so wish.
I don't download music
EVER!
(The reason I'm posting this in the wrong place like a noob, is that there doesn't appear to be a way for me to reply to the original post, strange)
I don't download illegally
but it's not some moral high ground as I'll gladly accept friends making copies of albums for me. Personally I'd rather by the CD or vinyl version. I do subscribe to emusic as well which I tend to use to listen to music that I want to sample without paying full whack for or simply 'cos I'm skint at the end of the month and have enough downloads left to get a couple of new albums.
Also I think it may be a generation thing as I am wary of the internet in a way that people in their teens and early twenties simply aren't.
fixing one thing breaks another
tom's on it
any ISP
that takes it's customers to court will be out of business very quickly, a letter isn't worth the paper it's written on.
so
1. No, but when I do I use iTunes and 7Digital.
2. I've cut down the amount I downlond on P2P hugely. I think if somone threatened me with jail then yeah I am going to think twice about downloading as it's not worth the hassle. I can see its advantages but really it should be done on a minimal basis rather than the atittude of many now which is that music should be free.
Its either going to go one or 2 ways, all MP3s will be free with a physical release, or CDs will die out as MP3s will become better in quality.
When the price war kicks in when all 4 majors are DRM free in all stores digital will become a much more viable alternative.
I rarely dowload legally
when I do it's from 7Digital or War Child Music.
Generally, if I'm paying for it, I want a physical object. I want the artwork, the booklet. I don't want a pdf facsimile of it.
I only really download for a download-only release that I *really* want.
Until they all sort out the DRM-practices, it'll stay that way for me.
Back in the day
I used Napster and such, but I never liked the hassle of trying to find the songs I wanted, being restricted to what people had, etc. As most of the time I only wanted rare or live songs by artists I knew or to hear new artists, which were often not popular enough to find on P2P.
Right now I read several trusted music blogs regularly and lots more on a random basis. The trusted ones are blogs I've grown to love because they only talk about music I knew I'll probably like. In most cases they'll host one mp3 or two, have a link to the band's myspace and a link to somewhere I can buy the release. It's a fantastic situation because it lets people listen to bands they would never known to exist and if even a tiny percent buy anything or go see them live, then that's a great benefit to the band.
I would never wholesale download multiple albums. Part of me prefers to buy mp3s to cds/vinyl because I can have it there and then, part of me always wants the physical release though because I want the artwork and such. I fully understand that some people just want to consume as much music as possible though and don't care about such things.
A friend of mine recieved a letter in the post six odd months ago because he was cought downloading and sharing films via P2P. He's just a dude, the same as the majority of file sharers, who didn't realise it was as serious as it can be. He pleaded stupidity and got off with a couple of hundred quid fine. It hasn't stopped him downloading though.
well
1. no, i host alot of files for friends and vice verca, using rapidshare, zshare etc, i also download off blogs if im part5icularly interested to hear something. i do use itunes and beatport too though. i never use p2p though.
2. i dont know, i guess it would depend on how the letter was worded.. i think it would make me think, yes. but the thing is, especially for those who use hosting services, its difficult to find the line of legality. i could host something which i bought and consent to a friend downloading it, i wouldnt stop doing that, but its basically the same thing as getting something from a blog? isnt it? so i dont know really.
also this isnt a fair poll
i bet a lot of people will be keeping their mouths shut for fear of going down in other's estimations..
what if the price was alot less than that of a cd ?
I agree that for the same price you are getting far less.
I have two emusic accounts
tis the best way to get downloads - but on occasion I use torrents to pick up albums and a letter from my ISP would be ripped up and put in the bin where it belongs
I downloaded Nouns
but now have the physical copy in front of me on my desk. This is the way I prefer to work. I don't actually download very much, but if I want something, really WANT it, I will buy it.
This is why blogs are great
and why sites like Waffles etc appeal to me, but I don't want to upload a load of stuff, because that is when you REALLY cross the line.
Sorry
don't* appeal
In the past
I have used WinMX and Soulseek quite a lot, but the novelty wore off and I rarely download anything now unless it's a download only release. I will sometimes download something off a p2p to see what a particular artist are like if they have nothing on Myspace, but if I like them I'll normally buy one or more of their CDs.
I prefer to have the physical cd in my hand, I have only ever paid for one or two tunes off iTunes, it always feels like I'm not getting anything for my money.
As above really.
I use Rapidshare, Megaupload etc and don't upload myself.
If I like something sufficiently, I'll buy the physical copy.
fhd.com is useful for myspace though
yes, for others to donwload on mass - i agree. i dont understand why the blog contributors aren't the ones to target here
but uploading for a friend is the same as lending them a cd isnt it.
Yes i do and heres why...
I have spent thousands of pounds on cds/vinyl over the years and a lot of has been disappointing, so i now download the album illegally and if it is a product that appeals then i will buy the cd/vinyl, so if my isp comes a knocking i will also tell them to come round to my house to see that I have bought the albums as well. Another reason i do it is for the reason I like to call "The Futurist by Shellac". An album limited to 500-700 copies that is never had more copies available, makes it, therefore, impossible to buy this product.
1. No.
2. No.
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I've used eMusic which seems to be offering something much nearer the sort of service I'd want if I was to go completely legit. It's only really worthwhile when you get 50 free downloads added to your account. As someone's already said, if I'm going to pay for an album I'd want something physical in return not just a file.
If I got a letter from my ISP I'd probably leave it a bit before trying again to see what happens. I tend to download in phases anyway.
forgive my ignorance
but how illegal are P2P sites, for example soulseek? is it likely you would get caught ?
i hav purchased over 3000 tracks from itunes.. i thinik its good
i dont give two fucks about it having drm as its only me and my girlfriend who listen to it on our ipod or laptop... and besides ... alot of it is now drm free... aka itunes plus
i still use soulseek alot... i am kinda moderate i'd say
if i got a warning tho i'd stop... not coz i think its wrong... just coz i couldnt afford a fuckin fine
craigx
No
No.
Here's why:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/boyinabearsuit/random/vinyl.jpg
My record collection. I don't have an Mp3 player and i honestly think i have about 12 Mp3 tracks on my computer. I'm only 32, not too much of a luddite, i've just never been interested in it as a way forward for music.
i'll get my coat.
well..
in the amount of time it would take you, for example, to simply get out the relevant albums to listen to 2 or 3 tracks by different artists, I'd have already listened to them.
It just seems so time-consuming.
.
1) I only use legal services to download when proceeds are going to charity, which is rather rare.
The intermittent guilt I sometimes feel, especially when it's a new artist or band, is overshadowed by the fact I spend well over £1500 on gigs, festivals and merch every year.
2) I'd never stop downloading for free unless I've heard of, read about or seen reported on TV at least a thousand people taken to court and fined a significant amount.
3) Myspace is the first port of call, then Last.fm, and if I really still like them, then Mininova. Even then, a lot of those get shift+deleted within a month.
People who illegally download are thieves
and should be treated no differently to common shoplifters. I pay for all my CDs, pay for my downloads and I completely support prolific downloaders to be given a server warning before prosection.
I'm willing to bet
That you paid full retail price for less than 1/3 of that collection. Technically, in the eyes of the RIAA and EU equivalents, reselling music is illegal too, as is buying it from your local charity shop.
Personally, I've got a CD collection around the £10,000 - £15,000 mark and I still download stuff. I have an 80gb iPod to fill, and I still buy CDs - but these days I find it far sounder, financially, to 'try before I buy'. I download it - I like it - I try to buy it. Can't get it? Not my fault.
Spotify...
...is pretty decent. I've never used something that loads so quickly and has a solid amount of music on there. It's expanding all the time, which is good, and in the time I've been testing it (over a year now) I've never had any problems.
Just to clarify though; I don't have anything to do with the actual product, I just know a guy who is working on it and got a beta invite.


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