TOTP moves to Sunday on BBC2?
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The last throes of teen pop are upon us... BBC pop music flagship is about to sink...
Word on the chav-ridden streets was that Top of the Pops was to be axed. But nay, instead of getting rid of that onetime British insitution, they've decided instead to move it to Sundays on BBC2, and by the sounds of it Andi Peters is handing the show over to the TOTP2 team, with their bevvy of classic one-hit wonders and rare tv performances by Status Quo.
As of spring 2005, TOTP will have a new, extended format, Roly Keating, Controller of BBC TWO, announced today (Monday 29 November). The show will combine the best of Top of the Pops with Top of the Pops 2, the new format will feature both the latest bands as well as music archive, aiming to appeal to a diverse audience of music lovers. Read also: one minute it'll be Kylie, the next Cyndi Lauper.
Despite calls for Andi Peters head, low viewing figures and there only being so many weeks a year to see 'Babycakes' and dodgy dance people in lycra miming; they say it'll be on, on Sundays so that it has a closer relationship with the Radio 1 Chart Show.
Lorraine Heggessey, Controller of BBC ONE, says: "Top of the Pops has enjoyed a great life on BBC ONE and the production team have done a wonderful job with the series. I believe they will find new fans for pop music with Top of the Pops in its new home."
She continues: "BBC ONE will continue to support popular music with high profile specials from leading artists - this week's Ivor Novello Tribute to Sir Elton John for example - and showcase new musical talent in programmes such as Friday Night with Jonathan Ross."
DiScuss: Is 'Pop' dead? Is the 'single' dead? Is Popworld the future? Has CD:UK won the war? Will you not worry anymore about missing TOTP whilst sitting down the pub of a Friday even'? What will they put on before Eastenders now? Has popular culture ever managed to keep up with evolving trends? Shouldn't Jools Holland (or an equivalent, with artistes who, if given the chance, sell millions of albums) be on every week of the year? Art Brut...
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TOTP moves to Sunday on BBC2?
TOTP turned awful as soon as they followed CD:UK and the like in near-completely divorcing their choice of guests from the singles charts and filling up the time with useless 'news' items instead of music.
Previously at least if a band sold enough of their single to get near the top 20 they would be on there, whereas now they just guess what will be liked and have the same old boring big names all the time. I'm sure the likes of Kaiser Chiefs and Bloc Party would have got on there before the change but no chance now
Previously at least if a band sold enough of their single to get near the top 20 they would be on there, whereas now they just guess what will be liked and have the same old boring big names all the time. I'm sure the likes of Kaiser Chiefs and Bloc Party would have got on there before the change but no chance now
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TOTP signed it's own death knell when Peters turned it into Live and Kicking for primetime. This isn't a shock.
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I think mainstream music's declined, but nothing's dead. The charts are dead, but music isn't. It's just less easy to show how successful a band are, save maybe for critics' review and amount of sold out gigs etc.
If TOTP played more stuff like Bloc Party, Elbow, hell, even bands like The Cure, it wouldn't make much difference. Sure, music fans would watch it, but the amount of kids not watching it would increase, and we'd be in the same position as we are. Two problems, then, are the quality of music, and the polarisation between 'mainstream' and 'alternative'.
Pop isn't as good these days as it was, everyone says. I'm inclined to agree - there's not enough quality songs, the record companies are after a quick buck blah blah. But judging by reviews, Girls Aloud, and probably Robbie Williams, are the only mainstream 'pop' artists who'll be considered pop giants in years to come, so it seems. People will be embarrassed (though they already are) at stuff like Eric Prydz getting number one, and that Babycakes song you mention earlier. Probably siblings Bedingfield too. Speaking as a 19 year-old who knows diddly-squat about pop, say, 15 years ago, it still seems like today's crop of mainstream pop is poor.
Also, the polarisation between 'mainstream' and 'alternative'. The perception of 'alternative' magazines, fans and sites like this one has, for a while, with the masses (when they have percieved at all), been somewhere between snobbish and pretentious. As a music fan among friends who aren't quite so fussed, I've noticed the 'eyes-glaze-over-thing' when i'm enthusing about The Shins or whoever, and it's like...people don't care. And they don't like being told at length about what's good, but that's all there is for music fans to do. They're so used to being spoon-fed that they don't want to go out on a limb. That's fair enough. This is just an explanation.
If TOTP played more stuff like Bloc Party, Elbow, hell, even bands like The Cure, it wouldn't make much difference. Sure, music fans would watch it, but the amount of kids not watching it would increase, and we'd be in the same position as we are. Two problems, then, are the quality of music, and the polarisation between 'mainstream' and 'alternative'.
Pop isn't as good these days as it was, everyone says. I'm inclined to agree - there's not enough quality songs, the record companies are after a quick buck blah blah. But judging by reviews, Girls Aloud, and probably Robbie Williams, are the only mainstream 'pop' artists who'll be considered pop giants in years to come, so it seems. People will be embarrassed (though they already are) at stuff like Eric Prydz getting number one, and that Babycakes song you mention earlier. Probably siblings Bedingfield too. Speaking as a 19 year-old who knows diddly-squat about pop, say, 15 years ago, it still seems like today's crop of mainstream pop is poor.
Also, the polarisation between 'mainstream' and 'alternative'. The perception of 'alternative' magazines, fans and sites like this one has, for a while, with the masses (when they have percieved at all), been somewhere between snobbish and pretentious. As a music fan among friends who aren't quite so fussed, I've noticed the 'eyes-glaze-over-thing' when i'm enthusing about The Shins or whoever, and it's like...people don't care. And they don't like being told at length about what's good, but that's all there is for music fans to do. They're so used to being spoon-fed that they don't want to go out on a limb. That's fair enough. This is just an explanation.
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I remember the golden days of guest presenters - Tony Wright (of Terrorvision) berating Celine Dion, John Peel berating everyone. It's rubbish now because the presenters actually pretend they like everything... or worse still, they actually do.
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maybe they should give it to Tony Wright full-time, or just pass a motion that requires EVERY act on their to sing live, no miming ever. even live drums. that should put everything right.. maybe.
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I don't mind if it's not all 'real' music if it's good pop... go too far down the road of 'all playing real instruments' and it goes a bit Paul Weller/Campaign For Real Rock.
On the other hand, giving Tony Wright the job full time is definitely an excellent idea.
On the other hand, giving Tony Wright the job full time is definitely an excellent idea.
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All that you say is true, except, bands like Razorlight do go on to sell not thousands but hundreds of thousands. It isn't the case for all bands, true, but surely giving some of these bands, who've prooved themselves, space for exposure, isn't unfathomable.
Some bands can sell millions of records but get less tv time than someone who can sell 50,000 singles over the course of three weeks, then vanish again, never to sell release a second albums.
The singles market is all about marketing, yet the BBC, funded by the taxpayer, is part of the game which needs to be played, whereby you need to have had an expensive video on all the music channels, and adverts across the press, in order to have sufficent profile to get on the shows and playlists. Yet not even million selling, festival headlining Lost Prophets can get on daytime radio 1 playlist. That's how backward things are. Yeah, they need to be reflective of what's popular over there in taxpayer funded television land, but it doesn't mean they can't be reactive and a true, and integral, part of the process of creating, nurturing and developing interational stars. Otherwise, what've we got? The biggest selling pap from America and some trite novelty pop bands, interspersed with a new Madonna and REM video...
Some bands can sell millions of records but get less tv time than someone who can sell 50,000 singles over the course of three weeks, then vanish again, never to sell release a second albums.
The singles market is all about marketing, yet the BBC, funded by the taxpayer, is part of the game which needs to be played, whereby you need to have had an expensive video on all the music channels, and adverts across the press, in order to have sufficent profile to get on the shows and playlists. Yet not even million selling, festival headlining Lost Prophets can get on daytime radio 1 playlist. That's how backward things are. Yeah, they need to be reflective of what's popular over there in taxpayer funded television land, but it doesn't mean they can't be reactive and a true, and integral, part of the process of creating, nurturing and developing interational stars. Otherwise, what've we got? The biggest selling pap from America and some trite novelty pop bands, interspersed with a new Madonna and REM video...
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I very embarassingly went once when Audioslave where playing.
There where some groupies waiting for Chris Cornell and his blonde streaks backstage, a friend of Boy George's wearing a pink mumu and I was forced to clap to Idlewild by some ferocious bald guy in a cap who was yelling at some fat slut in the crowd.
The crowd consisted of only about 26 people.
And then I got invited to a Tori Amos concert.
At which point I RAN.
There where some groupies waiting for Chris Cornell and his blonde streaks backstage, a friend of Boy George's wearing a pink mumu and I was forced to clap to Idlewild by some ferocious bald guy in a cap who was yelling at some fat slut in the crowd.
The crowd consisted of only about 26 people.
And then I got invited to a Tori Amos concert.
At which point I RAN.
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andi peters is a swine.
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Picking up from what someone was saying about polarisation of alternative and mainstream music.
I hate to say it, I know it's a cliche. But people nowadays are so apathetic. They listen to whatever's rammed down their throats cos it's quick and easy.
Radio 1 says indie rock's fashionable, suddenly all the popular kids at school start singing one white stripes song, pretending they're so underground, and wearing spotlessly clean brand new converse. They won't ever go out and find new stuff cos that's a bit too edgy for them and their mates'll think they're freaks.
Okay, so I'm being scathing and nasty about it, but sorry that's the way I see it.
In the 60s 70s and 80s there was a big crossover between mainstream and underground music. Yeah there was underground music, but the mainstream music was of a far higher quality and so attracted a larger audience.
Top of the Pops, focusing on ratings, merely commits incestous intercourse with the A&R men who say that's what the public wants. It makes music stagnate, it makes people turn off to new exciting music. And it turns people into clones.
Maybe I've gone a bit off the point there. Maybe I've been snobby, pretentious and the stereotypical indie kid. But that's honestly how I see it.
*dismounts from soap box*
I hate to say it, I know it's a cliche. But people nowadays are so apathetic. They listen to whatever's rammed down their throats cos it's quick and easy.
Radio 1 says indie rock's fashionable, suddenly all the popular kids at school start singing one white stripes song, pretending they're so underground, and wearing spotlessly clean brand new converse. They won't ever go out and find new stuff cos that's a bit too edgy for them and their mates'll think they're freaks.
Okay, so I'm being scathing and nasty about it, but sorry that's the way I see it.
In the 60s 70s and 80s there was a big crossover between mainstream and underground music. Yeah there was underground music, but the mainstream music was of a far higher quality and so attracted a larger audience.
Top of the Pops, focusing on ratings, merely commits incestous intercourse with the A&R men who say that's what the public wants. It makes music stagnate, it makes people turn off to new exciting music. And it turns people into clones.
Maybe I've gone a bit off the point there. Maybe I've been snobby, pretentious and the stereotypical indie kid. But that's honestly how I see it.
*dismounts from soap box*
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not a huge surprise - during the early and mid 90s, TOTP introduced me to music - sure i've rapidly moved further and further away from it. Since then it's nosedived- i'd give it eighteen months before it folds completely.
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Totally off the point but surely everyone's Converse is spotlessly clean when they first buy a pair? I find the people who deliberately scuff them more sad....
Er, really can't be arsed to add to the TOTP debate though.
Er, really can't be arsed to add to the TOTP debate though.
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I like "alternative" music and I dont own a pair of Converse. I just wanted to point that out.
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I do remember my first introduction to a small new band called "The Strokes" on TOTP, for this I thank them. I still however see them as that old sheep dog that's had it's last day, Take it out to the backyard and blow the muther away. And I only say that because im so fond of them.....
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my post was a sweeping generalisation.
As for deliberately scruffing up converse. That's not cool. However, putting them in the washing machine is worse.
As for deliberately scruffing up converse. That's not cool. However, putting them in the washing machine is worse.
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Hell yes. I have an obsession with keeping my Converse spotlessly clean. Cos I'm...er...like that.
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It's easy to blame Andy Peters, what he's done is awful but it was heading that way for a decade now.
They should drop the 'exclusives' and literally play what's in the charts. If that means some of our 'alternative' bands don't get to play on there, tough. They need to sell a few more records.
Back in the 80's when the likes of the The Smiths or The Stone Roses got on there it was an event. Now noone cares anymore coz you know that if a band do appear on the show it's coz they've got a good marketing dept. Which has nothing to do with music or the charts!
They should drop the 'exclusives' and literally play what's in the charts. If that means some of our 'alternative' bands don't get to play on there, tough. They need to sell a few more records.
Back in the 80's when the likes of the The Smiths or The Stone Roses got on there it was an event. Now noone cares anymore coz you know that if a band do appear on the show it's coz they've got a good marketing dept. Which has nothing to do with music or the charts!
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Fuckin' Popworld is the future.
That geek who presents it is a legend.
That geek who presents it is a legend.
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Yes he is.
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I have no converse, but i do have a pair of superb turquoise blue undergrounds with PINK STARS! I love them like they were my children, and they are rather grubby from dancing like a fool in the Krazyhouse...
But getting back to the question in hand, when I was younger I used to watch TOTP all the time, but now I do wish it would just die. Its like watching an old family member with dementia just getting worse and worse... As for th polarisation of alternative and mainstream, well I have to say that as a former chav myself *ducks in fear* it is sooo difficult to get into new music when you run the risk of being the odd one out with your "mates". It is worrying how apathy seems to be th order of the day, and moreover, encouraged by the industry who know that the more apathetic the audience is the easier they are to control.
I've kind of lost what I was going to say, but I hope my rambling makes sense :-S
But getting back to the question in hand, when I was younger I used to watch TOTP all the time, but now I do wish it would just die. Its like watching an old family member with dementia just getting worse and worse... As for th polarisation of alternative and mainstream, well I have to say that as a former chav myself *ducks in fear* it is sooo difficult to get into new music when you run the risk of being the odd one out with your "mates". It is worrying how apathy seems to be th order of the day, and moreover, encouraged by the industry who know that the more apathetic the audience is the easier they are to control.
I've kind of lost what I was going to say, but I hope my rambling makes sense :-S
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The comment "I think mainstream music's declined, but nothing's dead. The charts are dead, but music isn't. It's just less easy to show how successful a band are, save maybe for critics' review and amount of sold out gigs etc." is spot on.
Yes there is a lot of absolutely rubbish out there but there is also some great stuff. Its just that not much of it gets on there (except for a few token appearances). And when it does appear on TOTP it just doesn't seem the right place for it.
I think this is really because TOTP now appeals to the kids/ chav's more- boy / girl bands, miming, pretend rock groups like Busted, and chav-dross.
Yes there is a lot of absolutely rubbish out there but there is also some great stuff. Its just that not much of it gets on there (except for a few token appearances). And when it does appear on TOTP it just doesn't seem the right place for it.
I think this is really because TOTP now appeals to the kids/ chav's more- boy / girl bands, miming, pretend rock groups like Busted, and chav-dross.
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Exactly! Even when something you like is on there it doesn't really feel like they have 'earned' it so to speak anyway, they've just been lucky enough to be marketed as a big thing without even having backed it up yet
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On TOTP...
I very much agree with the first comment. Trying to copy the CD:UK format is exactly where things went wrong. But it's not so much that news items and interviews don't work; it's that they don't work in a half hour show. You end up with interviews that consist of "hi how are you?" "you've got a new single out on monday what's it called?" "and you'll be performing next week...". And with fewer songs.
With Andi Peters' TOTPops, they slowly realised most of the obvious problems, and quietly got rid of them (the presenter and ten second interviews)
(While for TOTP Saturday, a longer show, the format actually works pretty well.)
There was one problem I'm not entirely sure they ever solved for the recent incarnation of TOTPops... They did try to have variety in music, but were completely out of date with what target demographics want. I don't agree with those who say you just play what's in the charts; it's not about that. Of course you play songs in the charts, but it's about what you choose to play - you arent gonna have time to play everything that gets near or in the top twenty. It's about a real variety, not just the MOR shit they've lent towards recently...
they were hopelessly out of date...
teenage girls? let's get westlife and robbie williams
indie kids? the stereophonics and the manics
parents? sting and elton john
it was that line of thought.. no idea what they were doing at all...
I very much agree with the first comment. Trying to copy the CD:UK format is exactly where things went wrong. But it's not so much that news items and interviews don't work; it's that they don't work in a half hour show. You end up with interviews that consist of "hi how are you?" "you've got a new single out on monday what's it called?" "and you'll be performing next week...". And with fewer songs.
With Andi Peters' TOTPops, they slowly realised most of the obvious problems, and quietly got rid of them (the presenter and ten second interviews)
(While for TOTP Saturday, a longer show, the format actually works pretty well.)
There was one problem I'm not entirely sure they ever solved for the recent incarnation of TOTPops... They did try to have variety in music, but were completely out of date with what target demographics want. I don't agree with those who say you just play what's in the charts; it's not about that. Of course you play songs in the charts, but it's about what you choose to play - you arent gonna have time to play everything that gets near or in the top twenty. It's about a real variety, not just the MOR shit they've lent towards recently...
they were hopelessly out of date...
teenage girls? let's get westlife and robbie williams
indie kids? the stereophonics and the manics
parents? sting and elton john
it was that line of thought.. no idea what they were doing at all...
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I've been watching TOTPs for about thirty years. To be fair, it has mostly been shite all through that time! There has always been piss-poor pop with the odd absolute gem in the charts.
Anyway, the great thing about ToTPs was that it always reflected whatever what happening in the chart.
So as well as the usual major label PR merry-go-round, you'd get completey unexpected material in there, like indie bands, male voice choirs, comedy novely hits, brass bands all kinds. It made the programme a great tapesty of what is so wonderfully naff about popular culture in this country. It was always worth watching, because they never disclosed what was on each show from week to week. I'd sit there with my sister waiting to see if, I dunno, The Cure would be on or something, and then we'd have to sit through Terry Wogan doing The Floral Dance. It was great television!
But then they decided to trash it in favour of rating and threw the baby out with the bathwater. Now you can predict it two months in advance. Shame on the BBC.
Anyway, the great thing about ToTPs was that it always reflected whatever what happening in the chart.
So as well as the usual major label PR merry-go-round, you'd get completey unexpected material in there, like indie bands, male voice choirs, comedy novely hits, brass bands all kinds. It made the programme a great tapesty of what is so wonderfully naff about popular culture in this country. It was always worth watching, because they never disclosed what was on each show from week to week. I'd sit there with my sister waiting to see if, I dunno, The Cure would be on or something, and then we'd have to sit through Terry Wogan doing The Floral Dance. It was great television!
But then they decided to trash it in favour of rating and threw the baby out with the bathwater. Now you can predict it two months in advance. Shame on the BBC.
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all i can say is
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
so it must stay untill that happens
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
ART BRUT TOP OF THE POPS
so it must stay untill that happens
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And Bloc Party of course! They probably were too middle of the road to survive in the end, though "alas poor TOTP" as Shakespeare almost said. There's still Joolsy on a Friday night though, and his annoying world music (actually Fema Kuti was alright).
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Today's pop is unbearably rubbish, people only listen to what's shoved down their throats. Because, y'know, 'Agadoo', The Osmonds, Bros and Demis Roussos never existed.
For God's sake, people, pop has always been populist drivel (but there's nothing wrong with that) I'm totally sick of this revisionist nonsense that people spew out about this mythical golden age of yore where all popular music was great. Talk to anyone who lived through the Eighties, the Seventies, hell, even the Sixties and they'll tell you it was just as shite then, if not far, far worse. Pop music in the Seventies was basically the Scandinavian Eurovision entries for a decade solid, and the Eighties was one endless diahorritic smear of S.A.W. Personally I think, 'Babycakes' aside, pop is pretty damn good right now thank you very much.
For God's sake, people, pop has always been populist drivel (but there's nothing wrong with that) I'm totally sick of this revisionist nonsense that people spew out about this mythical golden age of yore where all popular music was great. Talk to anyone who lived through the Eighties, the Seventies, hell, even the Sixties and they'll tell you it was just as shite then, if not far, far worse. Pop music in the Seventies was basically the Scandinavian Eurovision entries for a decade solid, and the Eighties was one endless diahorritic smear of S.A.W. Personally I think, 'Babycakes' aside, pop is pretty damn good right now thank you very much.
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i really loved the horse who interviewed seal this sunday on popworld. that's the future of music tv presenters!
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yes it is about what's in the charts, that's why it's called top of the pops.
how can you feature a song that's never been in the charts on the show? it used to be called top of the pops for a reason. they forgot that!
how can you feature a song that's never been in the charts on the show? it used to be called top of the pops for a reason. they forgot that!
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Popworld for a primetime slot! I want to see that lanky weed taking the piss out of R Kelly every week in front of my dinner.
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Converse are owned by Nike, so no matter how scuffed they are, you're still "bowing down to the man."
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What is wrong with pop in this country, and TOTP is that nobody in the UK industry has got any bottle any more. Personality and individuality in the UK pop of the last five or six years has been gradually erased because the industry is afraid of scaring off some particular market segment, and so we have records with vocals multitracked into oblivion, that may as well be computer generated... and while indeed the records are virtually incapable of offending anyone, they become equally incapable of grabbing a punter by the throat and getting them to part with their cash... and so the new game that must be played is the game of eye candy - Boss-eyed Gary Barlow would never get into a modern boy band, and neither would the only Spice Girl with a good singing voice. It's shit. Am I the only one who thinks that Girls Aloud swanning around in their videos like degraded porn whores is a fucking disgrace? Sure sex has always been a selling point for pop stars, but there's a mile of difference between Kylie and Christina fooling around and a girl band being directed as to what to wear.
The UK music industry needs a bit of self confidence, then it might attract staff with some sense of conviction, and in the same way as the successful premiership teams are the ones that have believed in their managers, the industry needs to make it's staff believe in what they are doing, and be motivated by that belief, rather than by a persistent fear of being sacked.
I don't know why TOTP tried to copy CD-UK. It's quite bollocks.I much preferred the Chart Show. Perhaps the reason TOTP might be trying to appeal to an older audience is because R1 is also losing listeners to th considerably less playlisted R2. As ever, the masses are considerably more sophisticated than the muppets employed to gauge their tastes.
The UK music industry needs a bit of self confidence, then it might attract staff with some sense of conviction, and in the same way as the successful premiership teams are the ones that have believed in their managers, the industry needs to make it's staff believe in what they are doing, and be motivated by that belief, rather than by a persistent fear of being sacked.
I don't know why TOTP tried to copy CD-UK. It's quite bollocks.I much preferred the Chart Show. Perhaps the reason TOTP might be trying to appeal to an older audience is because R1 is also losing listeners to th considerably less playlisted R2. As ever, the masses are considerably more sophisticated than the muppets employed to gauge their tastes.
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Oh wow the Chart Show! I remember that one too it was fabulous! My dad used to tape it for us becuase he thought it was a really good idea to have music videos for when we had parties. Oh how I miss the Chart Show!!!!!
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Is anyone else totally appalled by the new TOTP woman's voice? It has no resemblance to any accent previously known to humanity and sounds like she's constantly trying to force out a sh*te
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did we really need a post this long on the state of british pop? what a cock!
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I remember the good old days of TOTP. When the likes of thr Saw Doctors somehow swindled their way on.
Good times.
Good times.
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i agree with you 99% of pop music sucks and girls alone are fucking stupid two faced sluts that love them selfs and think the world revolves around them but they suck
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Is this the woman who does the voiceovers? Her voice is so cold and robotic, it actually makes me nervous about our collective future. Where's the human soul for goodness sake?! You'd have thought todays pop climate would be perfect for sly remarks and constant ridicule but no, they have to force enthusiasm in a desperate attempt to keep the show on air. Still, at least they've quietly lowered the profile of "white teeth man" or whatever his name was.
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I'm going to see the Saw Doctors this very Friday!
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well said le crash. that's exactly what i was thinking!!
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i'm presuming you're a female as your real name is jade. i'm also presuming from your use of the delightful expression 'two faced sluts' you've never heard of feminism.
which is a shame.
which is a shame.
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what do u mean i've never heard of feminism and why would that be a shame
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perhaps you might want to think about why one woman calling another a 'slut' helps sustain and perpetuate our oppression.
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we can see that someones a le tigre fan! lol tut tut and using words your offender doesnt understand, how below the belt... or is that comment sexist? At the end of the day in this country women dont particular have inequal rights to men, they have a history of unequal rights and yes there still is sexism amongst people, but thats the same as saying people are insecure. I dont use language such as the word slut but theres not much difference from that word and calling a male a bastard. Fair enough you could phrase it in a more positive way such as sexual liberal but at the end of the day its the persons choice whether you see it as a positive or a negative, you could call a male a slut also and that wouldnt be sexism. Also theres probably sexism in the words of our language that you dont even know about but yet use. Im quite sure that even if the person that you were replying to likes Mcfly that she didnt type the word with the intention of being derogatory to all women in general.
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but oh her asking "why would that be a shame?" is a bit... erm well im not defending that!
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when i said what i said i ment it about girls aloud i just made a spelling mistake
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never mind being a le tigre fan. i just happen to be 34. and it makes me sad when i see girls referring to other women as 'sluts'. plenty of women i know do it too, or call other women 'bimbos' or trot out the tedious cliches about attractive women being 'thick'. yawn yawn.
i've always tackled that kind of shit, and i always will. i'm not purporting to be some kind of super-feminist. i'm not perfect. and i'm sure i've my own contradictions. but actually, what i was trying to do was just to get jade thinking about what she'd said. that's all i can hope for. if my comments even get her questioning he choice of words, and what they really mean, then i'm happy. if that sounds patronising, i'm sorry. but, hey, i believe the children are our future....
i've always tackled that kind of shit, and i always will. i'm not purporting to be some kind of super-feminist. i'm not perfect. and i'm sure i've my own contradictions. but actually, what i was trying to do was just to get jade thinking about what she'd said. that's all i can hope for. if my comments even get her questioning he choice of words, and what they really mean, then i'm happy. if that sounds patronising, i'm sorry. but, hey, i believe the children are our future....
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I completely agree that people just take and accept what they're given. Hell, I should know, I was like that until about 6 months ago, until this rather wonderful website set me on the road to recovery (for which I thnak you!) But at least, when I was shown what music was out there, I embraced it and explored it. I don't think most people would bother. If they haven't heard of it, they don't make the effort to find out about it.
I recently made a mix CD for my friend for her birthday. This may soound sad, but I was quite excited to think that I may be helping her to discover some great new music. I was really keen to hear her reaction, so the day after I gave it to her, I asked her if she had listened to it. She said "Yeah, it was OK. Sort of background music." This is a CD with Death cab, The Shins, The Postal Service, Interpol, Razorlight, and Muse, for god's sake! I think the problem isn't that people don't recognise that most of the music that they are exposed to is not the best there is, but that they don't really listen to it. Thay just want to be told what to buy, so that they don't have to listen and make decisions themselves. I suppose that's their loss, but it annoys me a bit when they describe themselves as music fans. Still, I guess they don't know any better!
And to think, that could have been my future: thank you, DiS, thank you for saving me! If I could, I would hug you!
I recently made a mix CD for my friend for her birthday. This may soound sad, but I was quite excited to think that I may be helping her to discover some great new music. I was really keen to hear her reaction, so the day after I gave it to her, I asked her if she had listened to it. She said "Yeah, it was OK. Sort of background music." This is a CD with Death cab, The Shins, The Postal Service, Interpol, Razorlight, and Muse, for god's sake! I think the problem isn't that people don't recognise that most of the music that they are exposed to is not the best there is, but that they don't really listen to it. Thay just want to be told what to buy, so that they don't have to listen and make decisions themselves. I suppose that's their loss, but it annoys me a bit when they describe themselves as music fans. Still, I guess they don't know any better!
And to think, that could have been my future: thank you, DiS, thank you for saving me! If I could, I would hug you!
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Some people just like music as background noise, though. So if they can get perfectly adequate background noise from turning the radio on or buying the album of the week from Woolworth's, then what possible incentive is there for them to put the effort into finding something else?
TOTP (like MTV, etc.) is music TV for people who don't love music. It's the musical equivalent of Richard and Judy's Book Club or Rolf Harris talking about his favourite painters. And as such, we shouldn't really give a shit about it. Our feelings should be focused on Jools Holland, the music coverage on BBC4 and whatever Radio 1 replace John Peel with.
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TOTP (like MTV, etc.) is music TV for people who don't love music. It's the musical equivalent of Richard and Judy's Book Club or Rolf Harris talking about his favourite painters. And as such, we shouldn't really give a shit about it. Our feelings should be focused on Jools Holland, the music coverage on BBC4 and whatever Radio 1 replace John Peel with.
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i know, they're really long looking clowny shoes, and you can't really shove your feet in and out unless you wear thm in that impractical untied way. plus they look daft on girls in skirts that don't have twig legs.
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I know as a male im not part of this argument but, don't you all find it wierd that women all call girls aloud sluts? and it's not because they are jealous of them because they are attractive at all........
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