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I was wondering how long it would take before they started.....
English hooligans as supposed to be the title.
until their fans grow up.
Should they be chucked out as well?
they should just ban football. i for one would be pleased...
as there are more german fans?
But when a sport which puts teams and supporters into comeptition with each other, appeals to the majority in such a way then there will always be trouble.
i was being facetious when i said england should be banned, as that would make no sense. england do have the worst reputation as football hooligans but the spanish fan are infamously racist, and poland has a large hooligan culture too.
i just think it's a shame that things have to end in riot police. and it's often (but not always!) england fans at the heart of it.
the worst reputation though. It'd be teaching by example or whatever the phrase is.
Throwing chairs, generally being twats. 200 arrests.
"BBC News's Claire Heald said German fans were leaving the square following Germany's 2-0 win over Sweden but a small group had refused to move past a bar in which England supporters had gathered and riot police moved in. "
Sounds like it was largely the German fans to blame.
Erwin Hetger, head of the state police, said: "We had no problems at all with the French, Swiss and Dutch fans that were having a great party here.
"It all changed when the English fans arrived. The atmosphere changed. The incidents began late yesterday evening."
compared to previous years, I reckon they're controlling themselves well by their standards, remember Belgium and Holland in 2000?I know there were a few arests last night, but I think a alarge deal of them were precautionary.
Then again, if we come up against Germany at any point, all hell will break loose.
there's been trouble with them and Polish fans aswell where shitloads were arrested
Of course they have not done anything wrong. It's probably just England fans pretending to be German or Polish. After all the England fans did change the atmosphere ask Fihiki.
i didn't say exactly that. i was quoting somebody...
What country are they in? THEIRS.
they're in their country?So what?
There's millions of Germans there and a few thousand English people. In proportion there is obviously going to be more German arrests...
more like 60,000 at least!
Wait I can't believe this turned into a discussion. COUNTRY THE WORLD CUP IS IN = GERMANY. THERE'S A LOT MORE GERMANS! THERE'S A LOT LESS OF EVERYONE ELSE. SO IN PROPORTION THERE IS GOING TO BE MORE GERMAN ARRESTS.
in previous tournaments, there haven't been as many arrests of local fans, see Belgium/Holland, surely using your theory there should have been more?
Look. I'm not saying we're better or worse than anyone it's just simple logic that there's more Germans there (in Germany!) so there's gonna be more arrests in proportion. AS IT'S GERMANY! I can't actually believe anyone's questioning the fact and I'm confused.
There's alot of them sort of hooligans in my area. There are alot of portugese people in the area, and during Euro 2004, the fucking hooligans started. Throwing bricks through windows, injuring small children, and attacking the portugese pub, hurting many.
they're called chavs
With kids, and a family.
basing this on an isolated incident. I'm picturing frightened portugese families huddled together inside their padlocked homes afraid to leave the house because of the hoardes of England-shirted bald men throwing plastic chairs outside.
the notion of England fans as a group with tendencies towards hooliganism is a myth. There is a minority but any hint of an arrest is scrutinised and blown out of proportion by the media. Arrests involving other countries generally aren't reported at all. I think the reputation England acquired during the 70s & 80s precedes our fans everywhere they go.
in belgium, when there was trouble with english hooligans, that was massively reported in the belgian media too, whereas no other countries were mentioned.
I've just re-read what I said and now I'm not so sure. I kind of suggested that there isn't a problem at all, which is clearly not the case. I just think the media plays a huge part in the public perception of english hooliganism and the general attitude amongst English people during major tournaments that riots involving English people are inevitable. When peole have a perception of something like this in their head they don't seem particularly interested in the facts.
Are enough to disgust me. Throwing chairs at children.....
if you're into football enough to travel to other countries, you're probably not the most well adjusted person. in my very humble opinion of course.
Which I'm sure for many people over there it does.
get back on topic!
acceptable. My aunt and uncle live in canada.
My cousin over there is bisexual.
crazy crazy people.
can't really argue with that...
The point remains though, that the general attitude is based on the actions of a minority.
they did undeniably cause the most trouble in charleroi and then obviously, this was picked up on the belgian media. not everyone worldwide has the same view of english fans, they create the stereotypes and prejudices against their fans by their own behaviour.
Aren't hooligans, they're just drunk. If you get thousands of people in one place drinking all day in the Sun, with nothing to do then there are going to be some people who get out of hand. Not that it should be condoned but it's not hooliganism. There's no way you can compare it to what happened in the 70's and 80's this is just drunken idiocy.
It happens at music festivals too but those people probably wouldn't call themselves hooligans.
The arrests were precautionary. Based on what I read it wasn't exactly organised crime.
But god forbid if we play Germany then it will be much worse.
People punching each other...
I'm not saying it's organised hooligans but comparing it to a few eegit 15 year olds setting fire to things at Reading or wherever is silly.
were pretty bad.
(I looked at their forum...ESPIONAGE)
like the kid who was put in a makeshift cage...
Alongside setting fires.
and personal property also occured at Leeds last year.
probably wouldn't call themselves hooligans."
but they would be...
fun. As far as you can tell doing noone any harm. What's the problem?
While there may be a small minority of "hooligans", every country has them. The majority of England fans are peaceful, law abiding people just out to support their national team and have a good time, and when I'm watching England play with fellow supporters, I genuinely feel a great sense of pride.
DiSclaimer...this is not the case
consider this - it says that the 122 England fans arrested more than doubled the total UK citizen arrests for the tournament. Which means there's probably around 200 in total.
It also says that there's been 4000 arrests of all nationalities in the tournament.
When you consider the disproportionate amount of English fans in Germany compared to other countries, that really isn't a bad proportion.
Hooliganism is disgusting but it's not an English or British prerogative.
I'm glad there's not been anything to the extent of France 98 or Euro 2000, anyway. Things seem to be improving.
because even the non-hooligan fans are in the majority lairy beered-up arsehole chavs. And with that rash generalised statement I'm off to bed.