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Are you a true music fan? Test yourself!
Consider the music that you liked when aged fifteen to seventeen inclusive. I mean bands whose records you wanted to buy or whose gigs you went to. It is unlikely that your tastes were exhaustive. What is important is whether the music that you liked then is music that you still enjoy as much today as the music that you like now. Are you still as excited and thrilled by the music you liked at that age? Certainly, your tastes and knowledge have probably expanded greatly but that should not replace what you liked previously.
The test for true love of music is: Retrospectively, do you think that the music you liked when aged fifteen to seventeen is good?
N.B. This is not a taste of how "cool" or otherwise your tastes were at that age.
Yes
apart from a few dodgy bits and pieces, it's mostly all CLASSIC.
i don't see what you're trying to prove here though.
Not trying to prove anything
Yes
Carter USM, PWEI, Neds, Mint 400, Family Cat, Blaggers ITA, Compulsion, Couch Potatoes, Collapsed Lung etc etc
Eskimoes and Egypt and X-CNN were a bit rubbish though.
i think this is stupid.
how can you say that if the music you liked at 15 you still think is good... you're a true music fan? bullshit.
In your opinion
is it still good?
that doesn't matter one bit.
if i said i think it's shit - why does that make me not a true music fan?
and if i think it's good? why does that make me a music fan?
my god
ex-cnn - they had to change their name - ex all about eve I think and then they changed their name to Tin-star - oh dear!
Thems the ones
Young, Stupid and White
not really no
but it was a good starting point. i still like a lot of it...
some of it is still just as good
but some of it, as i've listened to more stuff, isn't very good.
most of it yep
If you take as liking..I still like and would defend those particular albums but some artist has fallen downhill quick after so I wouldn't listen to their current output much
Dunno if I understand what you mean by the above so if I don't, then forgive
As a teenager, I was into U2, old Simple Minds, The Police, Metallica, The Cure, INXS, Smashing Pumpkins, Suede, Crowded House, other indie music and classical stuff - Mozart etc... I saw INXS twice, The Cure, and U2 play gigs... this is all pre 18.
However, with the arrival of experimentation with drugs, living at uni, boyfriends, new social groups etc... I eventually moved towards dance music. Drum and bass, techno techno, hard house... I went to raves... I danced, I took drugs, I partied long and hard... For about four years I couldn't listen to ANYTHING that had a guitar in it..
I then stopped that and after a while, realised that was bollocks.. I was still experimenting with rec drugs but realised that good music was good music... and so began the full circle... listening to jazz, rock music, as well as other genres of house music... (softer - I'd been a harder jungle girl for awhile)... as well as a devoted fan of breaks.
I don't think there is a true statement such as 'true lover of music'... I love music - god, I love it... it calms and soothes my most grumpiest head and puts the most passionate smile on my face at the right times...
I think in short, all music is about MOOD. Simple. So you could be 15 and feeling emo, of 45 and feeling emo... Taste and what you decide to listen to at that particular time is not relevant to how much you might enjoy it.
For the record, I've even been seen at an Opera in London on occasion. I listen to it all.
yes
the Cure, Siouxsie, Joy Division...
Will now try to forget i also listened to some french punk bands...
nah thats stupid
liking music is partly about the pure, shall I be pretentious and say 'text' and part of it is your own understanding and associations that you attach to it which ar not constant and can change.
I disagree
Doubly. First, the understandings and associations attached to music, to use your terminology, and irrelevent to whether or not you enjoy the music, if you are a true music fan. Second, why should such things change.
define what a 'true music fan' is -
and if you meet the requirements, who gives a fuck?
if you enjoy music in any form, surely you are a music fan. attempting to label yourself a 'true' music fan i find quite pretentious.
15-17
I was watching films and reading books and never saw the fuss over music unless you were an active part in making it - sometimes i still don't.
15-17
I liked
The Smiths
The Fall
New Order
Echo & The Bunnymen
Spacemen 3
MBV
Kraftwerk
Pulp
Need I go on - I may be a bit over familer with some of the songs and bands but yes I still think they are - I also bought a lot of disposable pop songs during this time and never for one moment tried to pretend I was scoring music for a John Cage sound collage
this is nonsense
why would still liking what i grew up liking make a difference to being a "true fan"?
you were 15-17 when punk hit i'd guess? my musical upbringing was britpop. a lot of which is rubbish, so if i still liked it as i did back then it'd only prove that i'm blinkered and therefore not a true fan.
surely?
I like the word 'nonsense'
a lot.
Ho_Fo
For once, I agree with you entirely. Oh YES.
*for the record I was also into Blondie growing up when very small, Duran Duran, New Order... etc... fuck, I liked a lot of stuff... I became indie as a teenager.
Ho_Fo, I do agree with you on a number
of pressing items... for the record.
This is FOR THE RECORD. The above was sarcasm. :)
I probably wouldn't buy
singles now - there's a difference between young and older me.
I did like Blur and Suede. Then the Manics and Idlewild but i still do. I liked more hip hop when I was younger and probably ALOT more pop
Patricide
please post more !!!!
I'm only 19 now
so I don't really think enough time has passed for me to comment.
There's the chance you come back to stuff though
as well - I have friends who won't 'add' to their knowledge of music past the Britpop years as that was the time they were at uni - I often mock them as not being 'music fans' - I don't think they really are but don't box them off in such a Pavlovian way as Traynor
I liked Radiohead and Blur then
I like them now
you just don't want to admit to what you liked
i know, however :D
16/17 wasn't bad.
just pretty much exactly what i listen to now.
at 15 there was just a bit more emo.
"a bit more"?
:D
this is pointless
trying to say someone is a 'true' music fan reminds me of when people would say they liked 'real' music.
You like what you like, and who cares if anyone else thinks you have bad taste etc
It's just people trying to set themselves up
as being superior in someway to someone who in their opinion isn't a true music fan or doesn't like real music
yup
he's right.
I don't like Blur and Radiohead, never have.
.
when I was fifteen I was into Hendrix, sixteen I got into the Beach Boys, seventeen would be Gene Clarks solo stuff and Syd Floyd
All still great, though I don't listen to Hendrix that much now.
what if someone wasnt a
"true music fan", and is now, fuckbo?
i still want the definition of a 'true music fan'
I also liked A-ha when I was 15
I have a friend who still buys their albums - he must be a Traynorite then!
um, he pretty much did:
a music fan is someone whose taste widens, rather than replaces itself. what hes saying, im fairly sure, is that if you move on from music, you never really liked it in the first place, and you use music more as a lifestyle accessory than you appreciate the beauty of it or whatever.
firstly, i think you can do both. you can like a piece of music for itself, or you can like it socially. i cant think of examples that apply to myself, but im sure some people like, for example, really repetitive dance music in a club, but not at home (in my case i dont really like anything in a club that i dont like at home, at least not to the extent of calling the stuff i'll tolerate in a club "my taste"). so when the social function is removed (you decide not to go to clubs any more, or you can nolonger find clubs playing that music), you have no use for the music that you so much like in the first place. this can coexist with loving music that has no social ties of the like (say old music that youre never going to see at a gig or in a club and that none of your friends are into).
secondly, if you find a better version of a band, who mean more to you as well as being, in yor opinion, musically superior, you will like the previous band less. for example, as a 15 year old, i fucking loved Gomez. when i realised how much more i liked beck than gomez, and how much they ripped off him, i started listening to gomez less, and now i enjoy their music less
thirdly, and this is kind of contained in the other two points: if someone didnt give a fuck about music as a teenager, and just used trance compilations as a soundtrack to getting off with peoples, and was by nobody's definition a "true music fan", but then discovered music that they really genuinely liked passionately and wholeheartedly, then by traynors definition, they wouldnt be a "true music fan", simply because they didnt start listening early enough.
this seems to be an exaggerated example, but is true to greater or lesser extents in, i think, most people.
"and just used trance compilations as a soundtrack to getting off with peoples"
*shifty glance at ministry of sound compilations*
did you like them?
do you enjoy them now as much as you did?
*prepares bonfire in advance of answer*
i'm sure i loved them
when i was 15. now though, if i hear some sort of commercial dance track from that time ('98 ish) it makes me nostalgic and happy, but it's clearly some of the most predictable and generally godawful music ever made.
mr. traynor, i'm not a true music fan :(((((((
alcxxk
I am not suggesting at the age specified that someone should like good music; for example, it may be the case that the only music someone is aware of, apart from chart music, is jazz, or classical. I do not imply that someone should start listeing at an early age; what I am saying is, if you have keen interest in music at that age then you should still like that music.
so your original post was wrong?
youve changed from "as excited and thrilled by the music you liked at that age" to "still liking the music".
and from suggesting that this is a test of whether you "are" a true music fan to whether you had "keen interest in music at that age".
your modified view is one that i agree with to a general extent. i find people utterly reinventing themselves to be quite shallow and insulting, as with people whose taste is very very fashion lead.
but to evolve personally in a manner that moves away from what you liked, or to get caught up in the excitement of a particular trend at a particular time doesnt stop you from truly loving music.
there's also the fact
that the more times you are exposed to things, the less "thrilling" they can become.
that's sad
Silly pernicketiness
"youve changed from "as excited and thrilled by the music you liked at that age" to "still liking the music"."
I mean the same....you're worse than brainlove
so is the question:
"were you a real music fan when you were 15"?
and a big lol at you calling anyone pernickety
The query is clear
stop playing dumb in order to denigrate my views
no it isnt
stop pretending im playing dumb to propagate your retarded, pointless, exclusionist, half thought out views.
I don't agree with this idea.
People move on. Taste changes. Things date. This has zero to do with being a 'true' anything. Your body renews itself from marrow to skin over the decades so you actually physically are not the same person you once were... whether or not you still like some indie band you were into as a kid isn't a significant indication of anything at all.
i dont agree either
but i think i still listen to music in the same way.
i definitely still like all the bands i liked when i was 15 (apart from space). But whether or not it's for reasons of nostalgia, i dont know.
i still like Space !
but i wasn't 15...
Tastes broaden
They change from childhood, perhaps, but not from mid-teens.
mine have
Aged 15-17
I mainly listened to The Stone Roses. I still think it's brilliant.
i did too
and i still think it's brilliant as well.
But I can't bare to listen to it. It's a band I've heard far too much. I'd be quite happy to never have to listen to them again. their music definitely doesnt excite me in the way Traynor is saying it still should.
I rarely listen to them now
but on occasions when a song comes on or someone else plays it, I'm still reminded how amazing their first album is.
maybe i've been to too many crap indie nights
(mostly Evol for those in edinburgh).
She Bangs the Drums used to be one of my favourite songs. I'd rather tear my ears off than ever hear it again.
i cant see how he could justify them as seperate
i_zimbra wouldn't etc.
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you're still not off the hook
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I'll put my faith in womanhood
just like my mother said i would...
nyssa = sex
don't worry
I adored Tegan too. She looked better than that picture.
This thread is tiresome. Fucking grow up.
hell no
tegan was rank, and her voice?! *shudder*
isnt this
just another thread to try and prove how cool you all are??
no?
4 bands a week is pretty weak
LOL
what happens if you are still
15-17?
you can't go out and drink, party and be in bars
legally that is.
And you still have a curfew - sometimes.
Sorry... (hated that time of life - it sucked).
indeed !
Yes.
I still like U2, Bob Dylan, Blink 182...
I am 15-17
BTW, the phrase true music fan is shit. Its almost as bad as VH2's "real music."
I mainly listened to ..
Pearl Jam, Misfits, Dead Kennedys, Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Smashing Pumpkins. I still like them a lot, but I cant remember the last time I really listened to Pearl Jam or the DKs.
Listen to
'California Uber Alles' again, it's fine
Fucking yes.
My taste at the moment is well better than I bet most of yours' were when you were my age.
Ner ner.
.
no
I don't understand this
Does it mean that if my tastes have changed in the last ten years, then I am not a true music fan?
It's irrelevant, surely? I never listen to anything I bought when I was 15-17, but if it comes on the radio I think 'Wow! Ace!'. But ultimately, it's probably not actualy ace, it's a bit shit really.
^^surely the position that most people are in
this thread gargles dong
^^ Not for the first time, Joe is WISE and the speaker of DA TRUTH
YOU HATE MUSIC!
YOU ARE SCUM!
I think so, yes
Tapes are the only true format, as they can be rewound with a pencil, or something?
and only if
you have not progressed at all and that is still all you listen to.
I don't think your
theory is really valid. When I was 15-17 my tastes were pretty much influenced by my peers. I started buying records when I was 13, time's were different then, we didn't have the choice, or probably more accurately, the ease of access to the wide range of music that is available to the same age group today. So, having bought into glam at 13, I 'progressed' to things like Man, ELP, Wishbone Ash, Queen, between the ages of 15-17, but I can't say I was particularly happy with this, I suppose i just went along with it because my mates were all into it, secretly still pining for The Sweet, Gary Glitter, Roxy music and Bowie, but too ashamed to admit it because it was considered too juvenile. So, I was 18 in 1977 and as soon as I heard Anarchy In The UK my world turned upside down. I sold virtually all the 'prog rock' stuff I'd bought every punk single/album I could afford and my taste has sort of expanded from that point. So, I'd consider myself a music fanatic, I still try to listen to as broad a range of music as possible, all my spare cash goes on records/CDs but I don't regret abandoning the stuff I was into between the ages of 15-17.
Are you still as excited and thrilled by the music you liked at that age?
I just found the list of my favourite records of 1995, the year when I turned 17.
JDT says "Certainly, your tastes and knowledge have probably expanded greatly but that should not replace what you liked previously."
If take two random selections from my 1995 list, you will see that musical taste and knowledge doesn't really work like that.
Example 1: Yo La Tengo - Electro-O-Pura
Fantastic album, have bought all YLT output since, been to loads of their gigs, plus records and gigs of many other bands of a similar ink. I still play this record on a regular basis and Tom Courtenay is surely one of the most beautiful songs ever written. By anyone.
Example 2: Oasis - (What's the story) Morning Glory
When it came out, it captured my imagination and I played it to death, but I have never bought an Oasis album since, or been to any of their gigs any more, or purchased anything by bands who even sounded remotely like them. I haven't played this album for many years and Champagne Supernova is surely one of the most overblown songs written. By anyone.
In order to answer JDT's question "Retrospectively, do you think that the music you liked when aged fifteen to seventeen is good?" the only correct reply has to be that some of it has maintained its attractiviness, while interest in other artists has fallen by the wayside over time. It is not a matter of good vs bad, but sometimes you move on to explore new and more exciting musical adventures, whereas in other cases you can still find enjoyment in something familiar and recognisable. If that disqualifies someone from being a true music fan than so be it.
JDT's statement that "if you have keen interest in music at that age then you should still like that music" doesn't seem to ring true, as I had most certainly a keen interest in music when I was 16 or 17, and that interest hasn't diminished at all to this date, but I feel under no obligation to play my Oasis albums again, or attend their latest stadium tour.
On the other hand, Yo La Tengo ...
PS: Regarding indie snobbery, I could list the other albums included in my favourites of 1995 list, but that would be a deliberate attempt to prove my incredible coolness, and may upset the punters
publish
and be damned!
At age 15, I had 1 album on tape (What's the story by Oasis), excluding Bad by Michael Jackson, which I copied from the library, and 1 single on tape (Spaceman by Babylon Zoo). We had no hi-fi, so I had to play them on a very cheap cassette player thing. I'd go as far as saying I didn't care about music at all.
Read into that however you like.