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Do employers really look at your degree mark? Or just the fact that you've got one!?
They don't accept anything less than a 2:1
and I got a job. I don't think they really care.
The reason I've got a shit job is nothing to do with my 2:2 really, it's just that I'm a lazy fuck. Although I got a 2:2 primarily because I'm a lazy fuck, so I don't know.
I should shut up a lot more.
but obviouly you can still get jobs with a 2.2. Plus a 2.2 is good, that's what I'll probably get.
as long as you've got more experience than the other candidates.
anyone can get a 2:1
it's not done any of us any harm whatsoever.
however, we're all in media type jobs where experience counts more than your degree grade.
if you want to go into accounting etc. then it really matters.
but then I am also a lazy fuck
it's only a small part of your cv innit. Experience is equally, if not more, important.
But if there are lots of people applying for a job then the employer has to filter some out, and the degree mark is an esy way of filtering people out.
I also got an unconditional offer for an MA place.
It doesn't matter at all. Not in art, anyway.
Just cos my girlfriend got a great degree a few years back, has been painting and exhibiting and selling since, as well as doing commission pieces for people and publishing houses, but can't get onto the MA course she wants to do, which judging by previous mid-MA exhibitions isn't exactly bulging with what I'd call talent anyway. I know MA courses get loads of applications, but I really think - unbiased opinion this - that she's easily the equal of many painters on such courses and far better, creatively, than those on Fine Art (WTF does that mean anyway?) courses.
Ho hum *fume* et cetera.
She went to Chelsea yesterday and thought it was nice... didn't want to go there originally.
I wanna go home (sorry)
with the art world [academically particularly, but i assume in "the real world" too] i think a lot of it comes down to yr mentality. i know people who "get" the art world and how to get along in it, and as a result they do quite well whether or not their work is good/interesting [and in some cases it certainly is].
probably not in fun things.
LOOK, the Van de Graaf generator made my hair STAND ON END!
I get you though. Nice work.
just puff out a bit.
Van de Graaf's a pussy.
if you get it from the right place. Manchester Physics department is really good so I guess my II.2 was worth more than it might have been. Also mine is an MPhys which just means I foolishly signed up for an extra year that was like a really hard 3rd year. :-/
a 2:2 now and every summer thing I'm applying to in the city are asking for **at least** a 2:1. I'm planning to get a first though so I'm saying predicted 2:1... (it doesn't say who has to predict it)
thanks to losting all interest in uni before christmas and getting my lowest grades of all of university (a couple of 50somethings) ... but hopefully my grades from this semester and my second year will push it back up to the middle of a 2:1 again
I'm gonna be nervous on results day.
then stuff up the 20credit ones ... so my average is being dragged down
I'd like to claim that like bamos it was down to me being a lazy fuck.
But it was also because I'm fairly dull-headed and just can't do Physics all that well. If I'd been less lazy I might have scraped that II.1, or if I'd been good but as lazy I would have got it too.
Still, it's not a bar to some things, though most PhDs aren't available unless you have a II.1 due to the funding councils and such.
and have a shit job. and have only ever had one job that I liked.
and mark lamarr hates me.
You should move to London and get a better job. :-D
don't knock it ... thats the sort of degree that can get you a mercury prize nomination these days
half the people got a third or didn't complete the course.
a third is not good enough for any grad placement scemes. a 2:2 is, but everyone gets a 2:2 now. except me.
but my uni was so shit that they kept bumping everyone's grade up so they looked better. So i came out with a 2:1.
Which is nice
from imperial and she can't get a job anywhere even though it's such a good uni, they just say if you haven't got a 2.1 then they won't even give you a look in. that's for financey type jobs tho...
unless you want to do a phd in which case you might struggle...bad enough trying for funding with a 2:1...
I really regret fucking around in my second year as it basically meant the difference between a 1st and 2:1 so word of warning. Don't fuck around in the second year. You never know what you might want to do in the future.
No one told me the first year marks didn't count, so i now know i could have fucked about more.
that goes without saying!!
...and I don't do it full time *sigh*
to do a course where only the 4th year counts. 3 years of fucking around merriment all round then
If your CV is very academically-focussed, then yes - obviously it will matter. Same goes for entry into a competitive profession, e.g. the bar, accounting or (obviously) academia.
But on the other hand, if you have other ways of demonstrating your skills, then I can't see that it would matter a jot. A lot of graduate employers just prefer experience, alongside the simple fact that you have a degree.
and I've got a decent enough job.
Can't help feeling that if I'd got a 2:1 i'd be earning shed loads more in a big city law firm and not advising fuckwits on getting divorced in a small high street law firm.
at graduate CV's I barely paid attention to what grade they got, I was more interested in their experience and how interested they seemed in buying as a career.
I got a 2:2 and it's never stopped me being offered jobs, that's retail though. There are other factors more important than academic skills.
so a 2:2 will rule that out for you, but you can still get a decent enough job.
less than a 2:1 in an arts subject can cripple you...hehe but then again i got a 2:1and my mate got a 2:2 from th same uni and subject....hes on 30 grand as construction industry lobbyist and i finally got a promotion from a piddley library assistant job to a librarian last week. 3 years since graduating...
2:2 doesn't seem to matter in more technical subjects and math based ones...as there is a shortage graduates in these fields and the fact that you got a maths degree in the first place is an achievement!
in fine art. Brainlove's right - it doesn't really matter. The reason? Because any fine art degree that isnt from one of the top London colleges is worth bugger all anyway!
in Engineering and Law jobs it can make a difference in the early selection process, and if you want to do an MA/PGCE somewhere good you'll need a 2.1
But in general employment terms, it doesn't really make much difference. You won't flip burgers any faster with a better degree.
large companies usually scan cvs pretty quickly and and only pass through the cvs that meet the minimum requirements. so if 2:1 is the minimum you're stuck. most civil service programmes don't care.
It all goes gooey in media and advertising world.
from what i found it is mostly based on you asa person, your experience and sometimes the uni you come from (and therefore who you know).
i should be getting a first. i'm not. :s
(that's what you get when you're not good enough for a third) after 3 years of pissing about and last time I heard from him he was earning double what me and Andy were on (we both had 1sts, please don't call me a snob or soemthing) so it's definitely job-dependant. Most people can rehabilitate a piss poor grade by doing a masters anyway (and if you can get a funded masters place you're laughing) plus it's another year you don't have to work either.
me no type-righty
and you got a 1st! :-D
and I have a shit job with no prospects.
Go Team MONPOT!
there are prospects.
But do I really want to Get Ahead in Insurance?
so the answer is: 'No'.
Well, I got my HND thing (which is what exactly?), then i just stopped turning up for about a year, and so failed to get the degree.
I blame DiS.
there could be a lesson for me here
I've wondered that before.
It counts a helluva lot more than not having one, which is one way of looking at it