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yeah so im back from amsterdam, witha lot of dope related parahanalia. who wanted what?
the borneo housing project.
i bet you didn't did you?
i got some pictures tho.
enlighten you about the possibilities for mass housing will they?
No. They won't...
I'm actually genuinely interested :-)
Of mass housing, densely packed, where every house is unique and of architectural merit.
And they were all considerably cheaper than houses in Britain. It's amazing.
Or it is for architecture students that dread the day they sell their souls to barratt.
Dutch housing knocks spots off ours. Because our planners have an arrogant view of everyone aspiring to classic middle-class suburbia.
that have octagonal roofs.
it was interesting.
I hate those barret/cornhill/redrowe/whatever style estates. My girlfriend's brother lives in one and it's just utterly shit basically. And every street looks the same, how am I meant to get home pissed somewhere where every street looks the same?
I heard an architecture student and a civil engineering student arguing which was better, and the architect kept saying that architecture is the truest form of art over and over, that was his whole argument.
(that architect is talking complete bollocks by the way, and the argument is incredibly stupid...)
...It involves sitting about talking about obscure bands from the seventies, and asking other architects how to use CAD.
I would say it's a process that combines science and art to a degree.
It sounds odd, but we're taught that it isn't a science, art or process.
Other than that you're spot on :D
It has too much context and importance and meaning to pigeonhole. It is everything in a single subject.
I'm so biased! Yay!
I'll take your word for it.
I was hoping you'd start an argument :(
It isn't art because it has social requirements.
It isn't science because it has social requirements.
It isn't a process because it needs to be unique.
It's possibly social and spatial manipulation :)
Why don't you switch over to civil engineering, that would be much better.
And has no soul.
Civil engineering is the production sheen to the expression of music.
the work of santiago calatrava and nervi
Yeah, and everyone knows architecture is the truest form of art.
As it has none of the freedom of context or funtion that art has. It REALLY isn't art!
I don't know a great deal about architecture or civil engineering so I can't really argue.
But i enjoy talking about it :D
isn't free of context or function! Honestly. Its just what they want you to think.
Need to have a winter heating strategy. Or fire-escapes.
But it kinda shows my point:
But no-one cares anymore...
I'd live there.
Sacallion. What's your thoughts on the current trend for innercity living? Seems like everything in Cardiff city-center is being turned into a flat at the moment.
Personally, I wouldn't want to pay an extortionate rent to live in the middle of a city, and have no local fruit'n'veg shop or butchers. And I'd definitely wouldn't want to live above Flares.
Developments to be viable they will have places to shop near by.
Problem with it though is the extortianate rent and bad urban design. But the fact that they are fashion and status symbols above being homes makes them more interesting as pieces of architecture.
That's why Borneo is so interesting. It is intensely inner city. (walking distance to the absolute centre) And it's affordable. And it caters for families. And it's architecturally interesting.
it solves any long term housing problem we may be facing? or is it, as you say, just some fashion/status bubble which'll eventually burst?
If there is a long-term housing problem with a difficult solution. The density of modern developments is as high as high-rise was in the sixties.
The only problem really is that we are too attached to our old building stock and really need to replace it with better houses.
(i didn't understand all of it) :-D
I have an assessment on urban design tomorrow so this is fairly decent revision...
just liek, explain your answer in more detail I guess. Why aren't you sure there's a housing problem? The papers tell me almost every day there is, what with the markets and stuff. I don't really know about this sort of thing.
in that houses are too expensive at the moment so people cant buy them. but thats more economics than architecture.
although, taking the borneo model would actually mean cheaper housing.
the problems with the older housing stock is that by and large it's rubbish. looks nice and full of character, but appallingly insulated and damp-proofed etc. which leads to pollution problems that can be avoided.
it also drives prices up in a way as people are buying the age rather than the quality.
by there not being a problem i mean we need housing, we have space for housing (if we demolish and replace). and we can afford to build it. we can't afford to buy it though.
the housing companies are more of a problem i think.
people would be willing to live in 'Borneo' style places? From what I see and overhear, people like the fake-old/traditional look provided by Barret et al. On Grand Designs there's often a bit of NIMBYism about the most unimposing of buildings.
Are the majority of people just too small minded?
That people are pretty much split. It's the same with anything. People either want the familiarity offered by the shite or the excitement offered by something new that might be demolished in ten years as an eye-sore.
It's a situation not helped by people like Prince Charles, or the sun condemning say, the scottish parliament. This alters peoples opinions about what they want, and it makes architects defensive and elitist. Which means we end up only designing for the high end of the range and the cycle perpetuates.
People don't actually like Barratt homes though. They are badly designed, small and poorly built.People like the fact that they are an easy icon of suburban bliss to aspire to.
Much of architecture isn't about buildings, but rather the symbols that the buildings become and what they represent socially. Pubs, Banks, Parliament, The Berlin Wall. Whatever. V for Vendetta shows it...
Right, I have to go to bed now. The twats at work decided to roter me on for 8am this week. Don't they know who I am?
And we shouldn't smash them all. Just a lot of them.
And it's rota.
And I kuje you. A lot.