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Yeah i'm fine really. I'm always hyterical
no matter it's interesting etmologiccal orgins. Since very few people no about it and it's not used in that context anymore.
#context and intend matter
hysterical is not always a sexist word. a context in which the word hysterical is still sometimes used in a sexist way: as an insult in lieu of actually engaging with a woman who makes a reasonable, rational, well-referenced argument that happens to be feminist-leaning. maybe by a forum poster with a rich history of sexism. i'll let you think of an example.
my one regret about modding up is that now I feel much less like I can just tear into nonsense like that posted by NDS above.
not sexist in it's modern common usage.
going around deleting stuff less so but now knowing the context of the word I think you were right (y)
Maybe but it would depend upon the person chosing that word cos their target is a woman and also being aware of the sexist origins and applying them.
I would say in most modern use the above doesn't apply.
I didn't see whichever forum poster's example your referencing so cannot comment.
so you've gone from
- hysterical is not a sexist word
- hysterical can be a sexist word, but you didn't see the original useage, so you can't comment?? =D
I mean I'm pretty sure you did comment?
or post tiramisu was refering too. Come on that was pretty obvious I meant that.
I'm talking about the word in the general sense.
Although I should clarify that I meant
not sexist in it's modern common usage.
he really needs better reading comprehension skills.
I'd say the amount of backpedalling you've done might indicate you expressed yourself very badly (and I'm still not *quite* sure of the extent of what you're saying), and if I was in a childish mood I might back this up by pointing to the 83 spelling mistakes in the post, but... let's just bury the hatchet and agree you we're cluelessly sounding off with an embarrassing lack of idea as to your context?
I gave extra clarification that I'm talking about modern usage and I stand by my first post.
If you'll you've got is not understanding my ''can't comment re: the poster'' and spelling mistakes (who gives a fuck, you'd be hard pressed to find one of my post on here that don't have spelling mistakes) then you don't exactly have much of an argument pal.
if all you mean is the word "hysterical" is not *always* used in a sexist way, sure. your post very clearly made more than one person think you meant more than this, and re-reading it I still get that impression. I'm not sure if you're really trying to say anything more than this.
despite the words orgins you can't say it is inherently sexisit in it's *modern* use as most people (outside DiS types) aren't aware of those origins when casually using the word.
i mean lots of words COULD be sexist or used to make a sexist comment, but it doesn't mean the word HAS to be sexist.
we should've just stopped the thread at tiramisu's comment
it is not inherently sexist nowadays.
than about choosing that word, maybe subconsciously, to characterise a woman's argument when you would choose a different word to characterise a similar argument from a man. 'hysterical' is pretty gender-neutral when it's referring to collective things ('mass hysteria'), but i'd be more than willing to bet that (for example) female politicians are much more likely to be dismissed as 'hysterical' than male ones (someone should do a study on that). it's not even just about the etymology, more about the whole emotional/irrational woman trope
but usually only when they are actually being hysterical. the bar is much lower for women. and if you take a quick glimpse at the article in the op of the other thread, i'm sure you'll agree that it is not, in fact, a hysterical article.
being deciribed as hysterical more then men and I can see how that could lead people to sub-consciously use it again women more.
I think any modern gender usage of hysteria would come from that sort of thing rather than knowing hystera = uterus.
but the etymology is still relevant, if only to illuminate that the subconscious sexism of how we perceive women is often literally embedded in the words we use to describe them
(See Fidel - this^ is how you have a nice polite discussion without shitting the bed, it's really not that hard).
your find post here - ended "/thread", how cute - was 100% bedshit. Just own it.
tbh I wasn't sure if it'd work...
If this was from 2006 shouldn't it look like this?
Long ago, in the days of old, a time before threadsmashes, before text inside " " disappeared. The oracles say that one day, when the stars are aligned, when the Great Dubstep Album is complete, these things will come to pass again.
the unclosed quote on the title puts me at unease
uncomfortable. are you ok?"
will you go to bed with me?
BA DA DAAAAAAAAAAA DA DA. BA NA NA. BADA DAAAAAAA DA DAAAA. BA DANANANA
too much of that obese thread was men trying to tell women they weren't allowed to find a certain word sexist
it's all a bit "i will fight to the death for my right to be a dick to whoever i want, whenever i want". it's not that easy to just try and be fair and y'know pleasant to people - why wouldn't you want to do that?
no one was really saying you aren't "allowed", were they? just that the intent of the word doesn't necessarily have to be sexist. people are free to think anything is anything in this great country of ours.
that are always banging on about "intent".
my reading of jordan's post here is that he doesn't seem like he's willing to consider his own output and is trying to frame the discussion in such a way that no-one else will either, which is...interesting
i've a feeling this might be spiralling into a personal argument so i'm going to bow out of it.
this isn't about what I am saying but what I am reading?
if you're looking for "intent" as a requirement behind every instantiation of sexism (or racism or whatever) then you're probably gonna reach the conclusion that most stuff isn't sexist. most of the time, intention isn't relevant. words (and any other culturally coded practices or social phenomena) are constructed within a sexist social world, as it's already been very well explained by tiramisu. so those words can carry powerful meanings that go beyond what that individual person necessarily "intends". in fact the potentially oppressive power of certain words (like hysteria) depends largely on this being concealed and naturalised.
concealed and naturalised to what degree? surely if two people were talking to each other and neither knew the origin of a word, only it's current usage, then it wouldn't have any oppressive power?
"it's current usage" can't be bracketed off from its "origin". the word derives from the obviously sexist ideas people had at the time about gender differences. nowadays, people still have sexist ideas about gender difference which means women are often characterised as "hysterical". and ideas about femininity are still tied up with mental instability or a lack of "masculine" rational faculties. people don't need to know exactly how they're being oppressive for that to still be the case.
literally all my original point was that i think its possible to use the word 'hysterical' and not mean it in a sexist way. i don't disagree with your overarching point in that post, or the one tiramisu has amde.
i don't think anyone said that word-for-word, no. i'm doing the thing where i end up arguing something at a right angle to what i originally intended to argue, so i'm just going stop before i end up denying the holocaust or something
does anybody think I'll even manage it?
lly unclothe yourself and mount a Sybian
would lead to inevitable next-day swearing
therefore, chances are (etymology aside) that it's a bit sexist.
handing over the reins to catstro was a masterstroke. we questioned it at first, but theo saw the potential.
Might retreat over to the music board.
Nah I didn't mean it like that. I meant more like that post was deleted like, what... five hours ago? Still everyone is banging on about it. So dull. The boards are much better when everyone's chatting about the location of office bins and shit.
to *avoid* boredom?
I've already come back here. Says it all really.
it hurts us.
but also enjoy ripping on it too
if a hysterical woman could talk, could we understand what she was saying?