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Bit harsh dontcha think?
You name me a manager who could do anything with that bunch of players...
There ain't many.
sunderland are actually a fairly crap side
maybe he'll be our new boss
if they were gona sack him shouldnt it have been at christmas or the end of the season?
it makes no sense with 10 games left. the fairly bad team will probably play even worse now.
another record points low maybe?
You're getting Peter Reid.
as he shares a name with a manager of a popular british rock band.
he stuck with them for long enough. he tried hard to get them out of the shit, but at least he gets to have a break now. Probably come back and manage someone in the Championship, which is where he seems to be a good manager.
I only have a minute, but the sacking is total bullshit! There is absolutely no point in sacking him now. We weren't even playing terribly yesterday. It's obvious the team are really trying for him and he is a sound bloke trying his best with limited resources.
Remember when we didn't sack Peter Reid when we got relegated and kept him on in the first division? We went back up and had our most successful seasons for ages. Yeah, eventually we went back down again but that's the nature of the safc beast.
Kevin Ball is a fair enough replacement for the moment, but there is no way we should have sacked him at this point in the season. Insane!
the players hes got are just incredibly shit. nothing he can do about it.
the team were actually playing their arse off for him they happened to be losing
*they just happened to be losing.
if the opposition team is better theres nowt he can do about it really
they will end up as Championship mid tablers for a few years now - Mick McCarthy worked miracles with them the last 3 seasons and that's all been forgotton thanks to a myopic chairman - he wasn't Souness for heaven's sake!
Mick MCcarthy is one of the most talented British managers around. Bob 'fucking' Murray (genuine middle name) is a total fool to get rid of him. We have a decent basis of a squad at Sunderland yet lack the final few players to make us a decent Premiership outfit. We are just as good as West Ham and Wigan apart from we lack the extra pace and killer touch which they have been able to buy, and is so important for Premiership survival. Most sackings are based on supporter unrest or player unrest. However more than a majority of SAFC fans back McCarthy and sympathise with him entirely. As Liam Lawrence said today the players support him and have huge respect for him. However Murray has decided to sack his most talented manager he has ever worked with. It makes no sense. Time for Mr Murray and co to get their coat i think.
Tactically, he did the best with what he had. But he didn't improve their squad over his time there. And it's eventually cost him his job.
Fresh managerial blood might give the team a sense of purpose, but I doubt it.
eh? your football is better suited to the premiership and that's why you looked shit in the championship?
bear in mind that we have a completely different team now. and then there's the element of good fortune. Wigan won't be a top flight side in 3 seasons or so.
you should only change a manager because they are permanently incompetent. Sunderland's poor performance this season was down to resource constraints, basically. If McCarthy's replacement is a bad appointment, it's quite realistic that we could go all the way through to the 2nd division next season.
boro were shit that day.
besides, 3-0 at the reverse fixture made up for it.
how come people go on about the managers record anyway? its the players who are getting beat every week, how come they dont get sacked?
but it's not transfer fees, it's wages .... and the fact that we can't put players on contracts for more than 1-2 seasons.
football is all about luck, though. if we'd strung together a decent run early on we'd be mid-table.
do you really think that the team that finished 7th was the 7th best team on paper in premiership?
mccarthy was the right man to turn the club round over the longer term, though. Suppose Murray mades a Wilkinson-esque appointment now? We could scrapping at the bottom of the championship by christmas.
who do you suggest he is replaced with, then?
I can't imagine too many managers would be intrested.
My view is that Ian Holloway would be the best man for the job, he's an excellant manager and is currently on 'gardening leave' from QPR.
Although I'm one person who believes that they should have hung on to Mick.
i agree - but we have a relatively poor chairman (financially poor, i mean). People don't invest in football clubs to make money - or if they do, they're stupid.
stefan schwarz? is he managing somewhere?
how about dariusz kubicki? he's doing wonders with my hometown team Legia
if that team is fucking blackburn.
he manages Legia Warsaw. Unfortunately, i think we're going to have to put up with graft style managers for a while yet. If only Peter Vardy did the decent thing ... i'm sure we could teach the YTS kids about creationism or something.
it's your birthday
we're going to party like it's your birthday
mick mccarthy like it's your birthday
Quinny as boss, in a consortium with his mates JP Mcmanus and Magnier the blokes who were at Man Utd. In the champions league in no time
I'd fancy the Sunderland job atm., you can't lose.
I reckon I could pick em up a few points aswell.
How anyone can defend the bloke is totalyl beyond me.
McCarthy was a fucking embarrasment, from his baffling team selections (praising Lawrence and Caldwell as our best perfomers, then, erm, dropping them) to his broken record press conferences and support of a captain who isn't fit to wear the shirt, never mind the armband. Completely and utterly tactically inept, and totally out of his depth at this level.
The money argument is bollocks, as Jewell had similar amounts to spend as McCarthy. Look where they are. Look where we are. Andy Gray? Kelvin Davis? Fuck off, gan on. The 'he's a good manager' argument is an even bigger pile of bollocks. As simply, he isn't.
HOWEVER, I do feel sorry for him. A bit. Only because he should have been out on his arse four months ago. I find the timing of the decision a bit daft, and worry if we can afford it.
Actually, silly me, the timing makes complete senese. That is, if your name's Bob Murray and you noticed the Murray Out banner at Eastlands on Sunday, just another example of the burgeoning opposition to your own position. In which case, it makes total sense to scapegoat the clueless tosser you've stood by for so long, in a vain attempt to draw attention away from the fact you're about to preside over the SIXTH (count 'em) relegation of your tenure.
I cannot see where we go from here. No ambition, no money, no manager, no players, and come next season, precious few fans. This club should be massive. Its fucking horrible to see teams like Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn (no offence intended) and Boro (plenty of offence intended) so far ahead of us. The main difference there though is the amount of ambition, with the few examples of such thinking shown by Teflon Bob simply revolving around us having a bigger ground than them up the road. And he didn't even manage that.
Some people reckon we'll do it a Forest. Without wholesale changes in the Sunderland boardroom, I'd see slumping to League One as a moral victory. SACK THE BOARD.
Fucking hell, bit of a rant that, like!
Anyway, good luck Bally mate. Fuck knows, you'll need it.
for god's sake, we could compete with wigan on transfer fees but not on wages. is that so fucking hard to understand?
All the wages were performance related, and the Sunderland wage budget is no lower than most.
What you couldn't compete on is romance. I.e. If you're a footballer, you go to west ham over sunderland because it is a more romantic club, and you go to wigan because you know the chairman will do everything he can to keep you up. You don't go to sunderland, because you know they're shit.
and the league six times. if we were a top 5 club we'd easily be getting 50,000+
"the Sunderland wage budget is no lower than most"
Since the club isn't a PLC and doesn't publish public accounts anymore, how can you possibly know that?
I do know that players who were linked with us like Morrison and Helguson turned us down and publicly admitted we couldn't afford their wages. What's your evidence?
And West Ham is not a 'romantic' club. What sort of dross is that? It's true they have the advantage of being London based but the national image of West Ham is not a glamerous one. They're seen more as Millwall's nicer older brother who's still a bit racist.
Everyone hates West Ham don't they?
In fact most London clubs come in for some intense hatred.
do people not hate the Mags?
i resent the fact football journalists all support tottenham or west ham and so very average london-based players become very hyped up.
Is there anyone outside london who seriously believes Anton Ferdinand is anywhere near good enough to get in the England squad?
Is a perfect example of why the majority of people north of Milton Keynes hate West Ham.
I actually think this is a shame, as in my experience they're not all as big a cunt as him.
Love the way the Sky crew 'even' out the West Ham bias as well. Tony 'oooh, harder Mr.Sheringham, harder' Cottee does exactly that, like.
I must have missed that memo, if there's any London club that we all hate then it's Millwall (I have personal reasons for this).
EVERYONE hates West Ham. I try not to, but some people make it hard.
They tend to be the people who reckon West Ham won the World Cup. Oh, and Tony Cottee.
And I think you'll find that your 'internet persona' is quite the microcosm of everything people like to whinge about when it comes to West Ham.
I find Millwall quite amusing actually. Except the casual racism, thats not too good.
Admittedly, I've never been to the Den.
They've never seemed much different to a lot of other fans whenever I've seen them up here, or in the cup semi the other year.
But then, every club has its share of nobheads. The Casuals are hardly reprenstative of me, and I'd reckon you'd be quick to distance yourself from the ICF.
And them from you. ;-)
my season ticket at the SOL is in the corner by the away fans and the people who sit round us are the most repulsively racist nazis i've ever come across in my life.
If you sit in the SWC. Not a brain cell amongst them.
Though, I'm not sure if the wanton Nazism is any more embarrassing than singing 'EASEH' when winning a FUCKING CORNER against FUCKING CHELTENHAM. Tossers, the lot of them.