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Is it racist to suggest a Music Of White Origin awards ceremony for 2006?
I need some herbal cough remedy.
the Kaiser Chiefs would only clean up
Doesn't Chris Martin look like a mad white supremacist?
you think about it, the only music that comes directly from 'white origin' is orchestral stuff isn't it?
Rock n roll came from Blues and Jazz. Then again, I suppose dance music is pretty whitely... originated?
the real way is to abolish the MOBOs. and replace them with the Ms. that's right, music awards. that's all there is to it!
this is like people saying there should be a men's officer at uni because we are annoyed cos it's unfair cos the women have a women's officer. why not just have two welfare officers, one man one woman if it is deemed necessary, and stop being so damn divisive?
Regardless of what people would like to think, we aren't all one happy society where the colour of our skin means nothing.
When people see sexism as there being a Women's Officer at uni, or racism as there being a Music of Black Origin ceremony, they are cheapening the notion.
There is nothing racist about being surprised to see a black judge in a British court, for example: it is a rarity. What would be racist would be to assume there *shouldn't* be a black judge in a British court, or that such a judge would be any worse at their job.
A Music of White Origin award would be farcical because we all know that there is a 'black' culture and a 'white' culture and that 'black' culture *is* a minority in this country. And yes, of course there is far more intermixing of cultures than that, but that broad idea does hold a lot of truth: I'm not making a judgement call here, I should point out.
The MOBOs do not preclude white artists from gaining recognition: they simply recognise that culturally there is music that is generally more popular in 'black' culture than 'white' culture, and they celebrate/exploit it.
'White' culture is the de facto culture of this country which means that, regardless of 'Lemar' and 'Kayne West' winning Brit Awards, they are a rarity in what is otherwise essentially a MOWO. Lemar won an award in a category that included only British black artists and (so far as I can see) the only British black artists in the entire nomination list. Kayne won an international award.
Wrighty, would you feel happier if the MOBOs included a 'Best Indie Rock' category so that they'd be almost certain of getting a white artist winning?
Apologies for the essay. Sometimes Abandon Reply is a good idea.
it was good.
i don't think that the MOBOs or having a women's officer are racist / sexist in any meaningful sense, btw, just misguided.
What chance is there of us ever BECOMING the naive fantasy of the one happy society if we don't remove such divisions? It's a bit of a dilemma because on the one hand we aren't there yet, so we can't act like we are, but on the other hand if we don't change the way we act we'll never get there.
As a side note, I am fairly sure that when R&B pop stuff was popular here about 3 years ago (ish?) then a lot more black artists won Brits.
actually I'm going to be anal and look it up:
ooh, last year there were no black people at all, because Joss Stone got the urban category (lol)
well, in 2002 we had Shaggy, Destiny's Child, So Solid Crew and also Blue which has one black dude in it. so slightly better.
ok, none of that proved much.
fact that black culture is a minority is not a valid motive for positive discrimination.
Well for one thing your statement is contradictory: Positive discrimination is ONLY 'validated' by something being in a position of minority.
But that said, it's no more positive discrimination than an independent music store like Rough Trade is. It's a promotion of something with a very honest name.
If it was the 'Urban Music Awards' would you feel any different? Because essentially that's what it is. The use of the phrase 'Black Origin' is very clear and easily understood. To misunderstand what it's about is be deliberately obtuse.
And to shrug off my argument by claiming positive discrimination is crass and fails to suggest you even bothered to read my point about what 'racism' and 'sexism' are. Positive discrimination is about deliberately altering a level playing field in favour of a minority. But there is no level playing field at all in the field of music awards. They are all tailored for a specific market.
have read your point.
I think I understand you. The third paragraph in your post makes sense, I suppose.
The awards aren't called the MOAO's!
Awards are silly anyway. Unless i'm winning one.
I may be wrong but i assumed that the first Homo (no laughing) species evolved in Africa and then spread out...
I may be really wrong...
I demand the MOMO'S.
Music Of Maori Origin.
I just looked it up on wiki, and apparently there have been some appersions cast upon the single-origin theory.
But no-one really knows...
music of miscellaneous origin?
have won tons of MOBO's, and none of them are black.
need to have some token white guys? like the brits has token black guys?
also have token talented guys?
or did i dream weller?