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can you imagine that now? Sorry just wanted to do a 'bit of politics' again
Can't imagine it.
Just wanted to look like I was up on Politics and not just new species of animals.
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OMG this is AWWWWSOME - is that better - just wnted to discuss something that wasn't about us us us or me me me.
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I'm sorry Prole, I shall go now and let your intellectual discussion carry on. Come on boys, there's no room for us here!
it's too early for that sort of thing.
and what, imagine a liberal government? what do you think would happen??
I was being kneejerk that was all - jsut wanted to discuss summat else and thought it was interesting. sorry for kneejerk reaction
Are you meaning that in 1906 the Liberal party came to power? Or is this all just a totally random ramble?
Either is totally possible.
the Liberals won the 1906 General Election, the last time the party did so.
It's not really a correct use of the phrase is it?
The Lib Dems are as much linked to the Liberals of back then as any other political party.
but no more inaccurate that refering to how the Conservatives or Labour have won X number of general elections in their history.
Labour have had a consistent base of people who vote for them. And the Conservatives aren't counted as having won elections the Tories did. It is the same party.
The Liberal Democrats just happen to have a similar name, don't they?
Or maybe not. I actually don't know for sure. The Alliance was the Liberal and SDP alliance wasn't it so maybe the Liberal party had been running along all those years?
the base has shifted considerably in some sections, eg Essex Man (working class yet votes Tory) or the middle class voters that would've 100 years ago voted Liberal who now vote Labour, when they're traditionally the working man's party.
Plus, stance wise the modern Conservative/Labour parties have about as much resemblence to their 1906-name sakes as the Lib Dems do to the Liberal party.
being a Liberal government most likely meant they were useless, but at least I spose they weren't Palmerston with his "wonderful" gunboat diplomacy tactics.
a Liberal government got into power, the first thing they would do is shit themselves.
surely the glibbiest words uttered by a Liberal since.
for the sake of someone who doesn't really know much english history that hasn't been in some way twisted or made relevant to ireland attempting to gain independence or bomb it, someone explain what happened the last time there was a liberal govt. how long were they in power for?
They died a death when Labour appeared and obviously appealed even more to the left-wing and working classes.
I think the Tories died and became the Conservatives at some point. The Liberals used to be 'Whigs' (more or less) I believe...
just their nicknames?
I believe if you get a list of Prime-Ministers you'll see those were their parties.
well, you learn a new thing every day!
jogging all my a-level history memories!
ireland. famine. war. peasants. potatoes. land acts. england was bad. WW1 scuppered our chances of independence. IRA. england are bad. war. peasants. church.
world war 2.
was all: empire. crimean war. irish being annoying. more war. war. more war. some opium. more about the irish being annoying. more war.
history class learning about ireland and its relationship with britain. just to see the other sides view on things....
Ireland doesn't feature in English history lessons apart from a brief mention of potato famine and even that's a blurred one.
Actually guntrip's 10 years younger than me so I can't be sure.
We never, for example, learned about the War of the Roses, yet the generation above me did a lot. What I believe happens is that what you're taught often bores you so that future history teachers don't teach what they were taught and teach something else instead.
20th Century history FUCKING OWNZ!
a lot more complex than what i said above. i suppose it depends on the teacher you get but (in my experience) most arts-subject teachers tend to be left-leaning and there does seem to be a real shame on the left as to how badly we treated the places we ruled over so it's never jingoistic, it tends to just stick to the "facts".
the irish like to think we made more of an impact on british history than we actually did...
the terms "whigs" became the liberal party sometime around 1860/1870 when increased franchise and payment of MPs meant that the control of the party gradually switched from upper class people just interested in increasing their own power at the expense of the crown to middle class people interested in extending democracy and social reform. and blowing stuff up (see: Palmerston and Gladstone).
obviously the fact that Tory is still use means that the shift into the "modern" conservative party was a bit less dramatic.
the last liberal government ran until 1914 (inc. 2 general elections in 1910 in a struggle with the Tory-dominated Lords) when the first world war and constant threats of revolts in ireland forced a coalition with the conservatives.
all in - soz I was really 'into' politics when I was a nipper and still like to 'keep an eye' on things. that's why I loathe Tony Blair, but fear for Golden Brown if he ever gets the chance
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a 100th anniversary party for it. and possibly dressing up.