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and this was the biggest insult he'd received in years?
"politics and sociology student George Lawlor described how he was excited to receive an invite to what he thought was a social event"
They're all over stuff like this at the moment. Best one was a recent article about how men aren't allowed to find women on TV attractive anymore, but women are allowed to find men on TV attractive, and it's not fair.
in the name of free speech
I thought that article's tone was more bemusement about how when women lust over Poldark or whatever, they do it in a nice way; whereas when men exhibit the same behaviour they come across as unfailingly creepy and unpleasant. The writer (Mark Mason) didn't suggest it was unfair at all by my recollection, and the piece seemed to be sending up male behaviour as opposed to being a comment on fairness between the sexes.
talking about it in entirely these terms (I thought you listened to it weekly?)
I do listen every week. Got their take on the SNP to look forward to as we speak.
Excruciating to listen to but he's a very good and insightful pundit. Not gonna by the Mail on Sunday to read his other column though.
He's married to Allegra Stratton don't you know.
I just heard him discussing it on the podcast, and the tone there was very much 'I'm not allowed to perve and it's not fair', which was very funny. I never read The Spectator, but I find the podcast gives me a really good insight into why Conservatives think the things they do in manageable chunks.
The point was about men being creepy above all else. Plus it was a light-hearted piece really, wasn't exactly a Breitbart SJW-bating mouthfrother.
that's why my initial reaction was that he looks like a tory!
I understand your argument.
1. The idea that a rapist may perhaps look different to you - more ogreish, more working class, more scruffy ??? (what is the portrait you had in mind?) is laughable. Domestic violence, sexual assault, and misogynist comments can come from people of all classes, shapes and sizes, including people educated the expensive way or from people with a silver spoon.
2. Humouring you, maybe you do have the evolved character and value system to treat women well. Bravo! Would you please donate an hour of your time to help one less person get raped? Imagine- if you were not to go on a crusade over this great injustice against you- that all students were obliged to go to such an event. Could it be that such events might possibly result in even a small amount less rapes / sexual assaults? And if you were to bear your suffering quietly, might we all just cowboy up and possibly a small difference might be made?
3. The event implies nothing about you personally. It is common for people of your age to be self-obsessed- I was too at university.
that is the internet.
I type but I am still not.
you might be safe after all
At least he does sociology too.
we don't want him.
this is now a thread about how shit compound swears are
remember, call me a thundercunt and you lose
his sign writing skills are way better than the Women's Officer's
I'd have started a new one if I was making it public tbh
Standards these days man
George, as the leader of the only political party in the English-speaking world campaigning for the human rights of men and boys, I salute you.
JUSTICE FOR MEN & BOYS
(and the women who love them)
he'll be fucking someone up the ass forcibly either as a junior politico working his way up the Tory party, or in Canary Wharf.
but this bit is especially riling me:
"They could be making a difference by actually going out and campaigning, volunteering and caring for other people."
like... caring enough to volunteer their time to campaign and educate about consent and rape culture oh that's right that's what they're doing.
... that's an M&S privileged white middle class lifestyle rapist.
is that the poor chap wouldn't know a fanny if he sat on one. Figuratively speaking.
You’d think Russell Group university students would get that much, but apparently the consent teachers don’t have as high a regard for their peers as I do.
Until I read the discussion in the Ched Thread.
As much as it sounds like PC bedwetter party lines, I think it's a good idea to educate young people (and older ones probably) about what consent means. I'm going to have a word with our student association when I'm back at work.
with that Belgian sex ed woman. Was absolutely astonishing how 13 year old lads viewed sex. Absolutely astonishing. The influence of porn being very evident. It is absolutely no wonder that many, many young men have no concept of what consent actually means, and this leads to confusion in adulthood.
If I was in a position of government/influence I'd go hell for leather for sex ed policy in this area.
This George lad deserves nothing but contempt. Contempt within reason (he's clearly not a bad chap) but... fucking hell.
All I seem to read about University students these days is how they constantly seem to need protecting from offence or similar. When did our young become so wet?
All the 'ugh pubes, needs to be bald' and 'just come on her face' stuff as quite shocking to see they thought that was the norm.
Education in this area needs to change. And it needs to change quickly.
Putting aside the whole `rape` angle/confused opinions on consent etc. this way of thinking is REMARKABLY unhealthy from a psychological point of view. Porn gives such a distorted view of the act itself (both in terms of its simplicity and formulaicness) that we're going to be breeding a generation of people for whom intimacy will be borderline impossible. Already read a few studies which suggest a link between `porn watching` and `disinterest in sex`. We need to be just as worried about them imo, because a lot of damaged people/families are going to be created as a result.
I think you can pick apart whether it comes down to overexposure at a young age (at any age), the production of unrealistic ideals as to what sex involves (how many 16 year old girls love a fisting really? Well, OBVIOUSLY ALL OF THEM if you look at certain sites online), the fact that a lot of porn is inherently sexist/ misogynistic, then adding it all up, it's no wonder that young men (and to a degree women) are growing up with a weak grasp on what constitutes a healthy and consensual sexual relationship, whether that be in the short or longer term. It terrifies me, frankly. I don't know that education is enough unless it is literally hammered into them from a young age that these things are fantasy and nothing more, and obviously it's too late the switch off the internet now.
and the bit about who we tell children the violence etc in films isn't real and we need to explain that about porn as well is very true.
was that the kids involved in the documentary I referenced were all very evidently lovely. Good kids. The families they came from seemed warm and kind too. Just normal people. But when they spoke about sex and that it was just gamechanging. Like really vile misogynistic shite delivered in a cheeky, innocent way. Almost as if sexual aggression was... y'know, what sex was.
And that chilled me. Think that programme had a profound impact on me y'know. Education needs to change. And fast. And that programme showed how just a few weeks of challenging the assumed mindsets can have a really positive impact.
there would've been some playing up to the cameras. 'Oh yeah when I shag loads of birds I just come on their face' Jay from Inbetweeners style. They can't all be having loads of sex at that age!
I dunno. Maybe I'll be proved wrong and these lads will all have peaked SO soon in their erotic exposure that the promise of fortnightly missionary in a long marriage will actually turn them on more than any other act...
It also means a more common sense approach to talking about sex in school, including religious schools (the catholic schools are actually unbelievlably, starting to get quite good at this now. And theey have the added bonus of being able to say to the kids' look, if you behave like a rapey wee shite you're totally going to purgatory, mwahaha'. #catholicinjoke)
but here's no point telling young people to avoid exposure to these things, it only make sit more attrcative. You're better saying 'batter on', whilst ensuring that they understand that the context is entertainment which is put together for the entertainment of an older age group who can discern the fantasy element of it.
Of course it's ridiculous to assume that it's only kids that are affected by this. There are plenty of desensitised adults out there who have fucked up their psyche so badly that they can only be arouse or come when doing something really bizarre/ dangerous/ while being whipped by a man dressed as Abraham Lincoln while getting their balls licked by a cat etc...
parenting following a similar path- not judging or seeking to limit a child's natural sexual curiosity (oh god, remember when it was as simple as boys jizzing over the bra pages of a Kays catalogue), but being very careful about how that curiosity is explored. Obviously everyone on here will be great, enlightened and supportive parents but the rest of the world worries me.
Might replace `gaffa taped to the ceiling dressed as Henry VIII` as my go-to.
But yes of course re: adults. I was just so disheartened to see the potential rot setting in from a very young age. My melancholy doesn't especially come from a fear that we're breeding a new generation of rapists; more that we might be inspiring a new generation of lonely young men loaded with ennui and despair.
^ needlessly_defensive this'd this