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every year every job. you gotta
leads to indirect discrimination in that certain groups are more likely to ask than others
be in the one that wins
If you get a decent pay review say thank you very much not I'm a greedy bastard I want more and you stand a much better chance next time round.
Nope. You can ask for a bit more, which they'll always have room for, without being a cunt and asking for loads more (assuming you're doing alright in your job)
(It depends what you are talking about, if it's 5% or something then fair enough but otherwise no)
How's everything by the way?
erm I was talking about white men
right? So.. Someone asking for a pay rise leads to indirect discrimination and therefore everyone should keep quiet?
I guess its more for the organisation to ensure that they have a transparent rule based system, if they don't then I guess the individual has to ask. It's an interesting dilemma though, if I worked somewhere knowing that I could negotiate a larger salary and knowing I am a man would be more likely to ask (though in reality I am feeble and probably wouldn't) would I feel comfortable taking it and perpetuating the pay gap, genuinely wouldn't know how to judge in that situation, lucky I have alway been public sector I guess.
i think you can drive yourself insane thinking that way. Unless you're willing to make a formal point to HR and the mgmt that the reason you're not taking a pay rise is that the company should be paying attention to and correcting the pay gap (if there is one where you're working) then you're passively endorsing it anyway, in which case you may as well take the money.
yeah its tricky, people get really private about salaries I kinda think that it should all be public within an organisation so people can compare and judge fairness, but then I guess that raises sensitivities about people being able to infer others performance ratings and stuff, no easy answer
when the HR person accidentally sent out everyone's salaries to the company.
The thing is, it would make sense to be transparent if everyone could be adult about things.
One man striking always works
It took me about 5 years of asking to actually get it though. I finally threatened to leave, wish I'd done that earlier.
Should probably do it more often.
I get paid plenty
Public sector pay scales WOOOOO!
Doesn't even register in my brain as something to ever do.
Will be demanding payrise and own office in 6 months
Never got one before here. Now we get inflation + performance bonus. Except this year the unions decided everyone should get the same rather than on performance. Which bollocksed my top band rise - motherfuckers. I'm not going to look so needy as beg for £20 a week or whatever.
no but once during a restructuring consultation my role had two other roles merged into it, various managers were getting big pay rises to reflect changed roles (really for nepotism) so though we should get the same, they didn't budge so four of our team of six (including me) quit
...then you should always ask/threaten.
time for an ask, methinks
the company is going down the toilet but what have i got to lose?!
More competent people than me tried and failed. Just got a new job with better pay instead.
and then got a new job anyway
Any pay rises I've had have been offered to me (at the end of the year, when I qualified or when I was offered a new role), and it's always been to a level that I thought was reasonable.
I have only had four pay rises (we had paycuts and pay freezes across my company from 2007 to 2013 though).
On Sept 1st it was a year since I started working with [REDACTED] and we discussed that I'd be eligible to discuss a pay-rise once that contract was up, which I believe is now the case.
Everybody seems very happy with the work I'm doing here, and I feel I'm able to deliver high quality work and in a good amount of time. I especially enjoy working on the long-form and documentary work we do of which we have some high profile ones coming up soon: [REDACTED], [REDACTED], [REDACTED], etc. which I'm very much looking forward to working on.
I realise there are a lot of changes going on within the company at the moment so it seems to me a good time to discuss my ongoing position with [REDACTED].
Thanks, look forward to discussing it.
Bit like knighted thesps who demand to be called 'Sir'.
Also, 'discuss my ongoing position' makes it sound like you're already considering looking for somewhere else. Some firms like to reward loyalty, others will reward those who will leave if they don't get what they want. Only you can judge which one your company is.
in fact they have been brutally cutting people out with very little notice and demanding of those who have been kept on to prove their worth, so yeah i'm making no bones about being like 'you need me!'. the culture here has become very corporate.
and yeah it's certainly true that i am looking elsewhere and don't think it's a bad thing for them to be aware of that, typically what i do is a more freelance type of gig and could be charging way higher bucks if i were freelance
they just keep on giving me more and more money because I'm fucking mint