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Pretty impressed with them Austrians:
Hate it when other countries show us up for being a bunch of cunts.
Country most likely to go a bit fascist possibly
which is why our biggest centre-left newspaper has 'Politician a bit upset by something a few years ago' as its lead story instead.
is such a rubbish email address
Pretty great really.
Good to see the main opposition political party standing against the government and the media on stuff like this...oh no wait they're still tearing themselves to pieces.
that we collectively find uniforms and moustaches a little bit silly.
CFC have always been supportive of migrants to the UK, refugees or not, also pro Palestinian.
do we have the infrastructure available to take in as many migrants as some on the left would like us to?
If we were to indiscriminately open the doors, how many would likely come to the UK?
You should be less racist.
saying that the problem was the EU defined a refugee as anyone fleeing war and extreme poverty, and that meant there were TOO MANY REFUGEES and we needed to change the definition.
At what point does a refugee become a migrant or later, a citizen? Once they reach *any* safe country? When the reach the end destination of their choice? Once a country offers them citizenship or equivalent status (regardless of whether or not it is the refugee's preferred country)? Or is it a case of once a refugee, always a refugee?
I don't know, but I think it's an interesting question.
It's not really the most pertinent or interesting question tbh.
We have no (legal) obligation to house non-EU migrants. We might choose to, but we don't have to. So if these refugees become migrants before they reach the UK by passing through numerous safe countries along the way, it just gives the media and politicians an excuse to bash them.
I was under the impression that usually EU countries will offer to take a certain number of refugees during any crisis, to avoid the problem of one country having to take them all - hence still being a refugee once you reach Europe.
which requires that the first country of entry is the MS responsible for the asylum claim. many member states are calling for more burden sharing. the system isnt really designed to spread the "burden" in an equitable or sensible way. it's just about processing claims as quickly as possible. which necessarily means italy, greece, malta etc. have to take most people.
The UK is being completely shit and agreeing to take its share of refugees. this really should go down as one of the worst things Cameron did as PM...
from Syria (population 17,000,000). But we might take a few more!
Cameron is an utter, utter cunt.
um, the definition used for 'refugee' is taken directly from the Geneva Convention. it's not the EU's definition. it's the universal definition.
also there's a difference between resettlement and relocation.
how well the economy is doing, I'm sure we can accommodate some extra people.
when a response starts with morality and social cohesion aside you know it's going to be a good one.
You need houses for that.
on them and the practicalities of it if it happened....
I mean I WOULD because I'm a great person and I've thought about the practicalities of it but I don't think those students would tbh
and then if that really doesn't work, *then* we'll look at taking some refugees
Was so sad. The conditions in Calais were like some post-apocalyptic film; huddled round fires in empty buildings and dodging police firing tear gas at them.
There were protests when the government agreed to only take in 50 refugees. To put that figure in context, given the general population sizes, that'd be like there being protests if he UK government agreed to take in 10,000.
norway's agreed to 8,000 so far
I think it's reasonable to expect every small city in the UK to take that amount
Go outside & u will c ppl!
How many MOAR imigrant migrants do I want taking jobs and not workin!!!!!
but I don't want to have to read it first
She feels the need
To hit the Return key
Quite as much
As she has done.
This crisis is not going away.
In the recession of the 1930s, Britain didn't just open its hearts to the 10,000 children of the Kindertransport, but our homes.
It is that strength of compassion that makes Britain great.
So that is why today I am asking the Home Secretary to change policy
I’m asking the prime minister to show leadership and pledging my support if he does
I’m asking parliament to back him
I’m asking Scotland and Wales to agree
I’m asking councils to offer places
I’m asking communities to offer help
I’m asking faith groups and charities to show the way
I’m asking campaigning organisations to mobilise support
I’m asking everyone to do their bit however large or small
The truth is I’m not really asking very much at all.
I’m asking us to do something we’ve done before. Something we will do again
To help those who need us
I’m asking Britain to be Britain.
it's only mildly rubbish
Apart from the bit about reaffirming Britain's (moral) responsibility to specifically grant asylum to a specific group of people and using a specific number of them to describe the scale of what needs to happen.
But yeah apart from that, nothing.
making a distinction between humanitarian refugees and economic refugees, as it offers succor to those who bang the anti-immigration drum.
This, for example, is a nasty piece of racism-appeasement designed to ward off negative headlines in the press:
"For our country to have a net migration target which includes refugees is just immoral."
Fuck off. For any country to have a net migration target at all is just immoral.
There's also no acknowledgement of the international policy and economic decisions that have created the situation, and no attempt to offer an alternative.
All in all it's a bit of a mealy-mouthed attempt at triangulation. An attempt to make things a little less worse, rather than better.
it's the kind of policy that necessitates an arbitrary and yet discriminatory cut of point that can only be justified by failed logic, a lack of compassion and a warped sense of morality.
It's not an absolute construct, and can be ignored in this context.
Think you need to get some better hobbies, pal.
She's basically saying let's have a big charitable relief effort because we're all so nice. You're right that it doesn't address any of the wider issues or causes and I'm of a mind to be highly suspicious of that considering the context, but it's hard to slag it off on the grounds that, you know, it's a call for much needed humanitarian relief.
SHOULDN'T have attempted to both explain and resolve the entire Syrian conflict in her speech? Sounds a bit immoral to me, pal.
I'm saying I can see 'good' reasons why she might not (clarity of message etc) and also 'bad' reasons (spineless New Labour politician who voted for Iraq war and for military intervention in Libya etc).
my reply was a shit attempt at #satire
(New thread for the Channel 4 Labour hustings yeah?)
Might not get time to watch them though. Pretty pointless seeing as everyone's already voted.
It's just the total lack of acknowledgment in what is supposedly a broad (it's certainly not deep) attempt at summing up the situation.
Vintage irking right there from the guy who started it all
it's not my fault if that's delayed the Maxwellisation process.
and put the refugees there
the evicted people can live in their other homes that they all have
All it will do is strengthen the out campaign, the UK will vote to leave the EU and then have no obligation to accept anyone at all.
Probs some UN obligations as well come to think of it
that Cameron can do a good job of scuppering his own negotiations all by himself
It's been reported that out of over 3,000 people who arrived on Monday, 6 applied for asylum here and the rest travelled on to Germany. SIX!!!!
you'd think a higher number of them would be happy to seek refuge in Austria.
I also watched an interview with a lady on a train to Germany, she said she didn't want to stay in Austria because there are "too many people here". It makes me wonder what kind of information these people have been told...
they're having a demo in London a week on Saturday
Give me a #shout if you fancy getting a #posse together
who bring in tens of thousands of pounds each. These poor bastards don't have a prayer. Sorry.