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I for one welcome our new ginger saviour
Might get to watch the entire first England innings if we bat first.
but it's so quiet it's all i'm going to do today anyway
If England compete, then we've still got a decent chance and hopefully a decent series ahead.
If we end today with Australia 330/3, or 100/0 having bowled England out for less than 200, then we're fucked.
If Australia get a big score today, I don't think it's over, though. Fair bit of weather around for this test and we always do well at Trent Bridge. We will need to bat much, much better if we're tasked with batting for a draw this time, though, obviously.
But a day of them dominating again after England bottled it so badly last time out could just kill the series, which would be a massive shame.
England only have themselves to blame, but I'm sure we'd be in a completely different position if England had won the toss last time out.
Good day today and everyone will quickly forget Lord's and remember it's 1-1.
provided Aus don't win in 3 days, which they probably will (pray for colonel_getafe).
its 1-1 you pessimistic chumps
so hoping for lots of rain today.
is that sensible if it's going to rain on and off and be cloudy all day?
(by 'people' I mean Robbie Savage retweeting Michael Vaughn)
has been won by the side batting first. Unless there are really exceptional conditions, it's almost always a huge advantage.
and interruptions to play leading to England shedding wickets and then Australia having some much nicer weather to bat in tomorrow. I get that batting first is *generally* better, find it weird that everyone's so insistent. Maybe I'm just worried about England having to bat at any point...
It's sunny and bright at the moment. Rain due around lunchtime, but it looks like it's going to be a sunshine and showers kind of day rather than overcast and swinging, so the biggest challenge may be the mental challenge of going off and on a few times. Not enough of a challenge to risk batting fourth again though, I don't think.
We'll probably lose the toss anyway.
A very dour draw.
(Cue Ian Bell triple century)
Surely they can't be carrying on this tactic and hoping to win the toss after last time.
Game over man, game over!
...just like they did before, and they're gonna come in here and they're gonna get us!
I'm sort of okay with that, at least it doesn't mean England collapsing before lunch.
Middle order is very rusty, if we can expose it.
Gonna miss his 'can we rock and roll that?' and 'wait til you're on the camera...you're on, good decision mate'.
'Wait til I'm on camera...I'm on, good decision me'.
'Nice ball Jimmy. Well played there Chris, good forward defence mate".
Erasmus is clearly no Gaffer. We're being let down in the 3rd umpiring department.
without crediting the big man.
one Im on now is like playing graeme gooch's cricket on C64
All your other good players are foreigners.
In New Zealand, 2009 is cutting edge.
Seriously, 1 from 11 must be the lowest number of foreign-born players in an England side for bloody ages.
Got into position early, and played the ball on its merits.
frosty boys on the rack
they don't like it up 'em
Hasn't won at Edgbaston in the last 6 tests, according to Cricinfo.
Very perceptive decision to bat first, Clarke, you wanker.
Need a 200 first innings lead for me to feel confident.
get ready for a broken fuckin stump mate!
wank wank wank.
wank wank wank.
at all times.
and I posted it on Twitter last week, but this Ian Botham interview from 1986, on Children's BBC is incredible. he gets grilled on drugs, apartheid and how he reconciles his leukaemia charity work with his support of Thatcher.
and defensive, but on the other, can you really imagine a sportstar of today being subjected to a grilling like that, and how they'd react?
Absolutely impossible to imagine anything like that being filmed these days for so many reasons.
of occasional england fans
This is some niche county chat, Pegfeet.
Wish I was sat next to those 2 Aussie lads now :(
'Ahhh this is like the 90s for you mayte!'
Rogers 100* in a total of 200 coming up ;)
Any one of them is capable of smashing a quick 60-odd.
Couldn't bowl them out for less than 600 last week, now they're 7 down for less than a hundred on the first morning.
Still feels like the morning.
if Marsh had had to come in for him.
throwing my bat around like I'd won the match. Arms pumping, the whole shebang.
That's how I imagine fidel dances.
:( / :D
From BBC website:
Vincent Hefter: All this talk of Bell batting at three was obviously premature. It'll probably be 3:45.
taking turns in capitulating
let's hope we can knock over the tail and dig in for a few days.
Might just copy and paste and change the names.
way I can still get a good day's play on Sunday...
I suppose England could rack up a 600 run lead and declare at lunch on day 4. It's not happening, is it?
[*prays for Cookie Monster to bat for two days*]
Might yet become the former though...
Can't complain at that.
when Lyth removes his helmet.
"Shit emergency plumber that gets called out at Christmas when everyone else is on holiday" lookalike for Lyth in the last test thread. Never lost my unwavering faith in him to lose his wicket by doing something stupid like that. Idiot.
wont stop going on about the rhythm he's getting into, 4 of the last over have been thrown down leg.
well fielded oh no
criticise their players. Even when they were 90/7 earlier, Glenn McGrath kept going "yeah, but imagine what England would be on if they were batting, eh?".
Still less dodgy than Michael Vaughan hyping up all the players represented by his agency though, tbh.
of Eternal Justice, Flamethrower of Eternal Vengeance, The Viceroy, the Black Panther of Vengeance, Zeus' Lightning Bolt of Retribution, Infinity's Only Concern.
Never doubted him.
I am stealing 'Infinity's Only Concern' as of right now. Outstanding.
Listening to the Memories of Edgbaston 5Live podcast from yesterday reminded me how into cricket I was when it was on Channel 4. Very hard to have any real view on it now that all I get to know of it is via TMS or newspaper articles.
Sadly they feature Mark Nicholas *and* Simon Hughes, but apart from that they're pretty decent.
You...you don't like Mark Nicholas?!
*smarmy voice* "That's one of the finest cover drives YOU'LL EVER SEE..." [said for the fourth time that day]
This is all true.
It's just endless boundaries and wickets and then some ad breaks and a phone in competition. Doesn't accurately represent that weird sort of compelling boredom of watching test cricket live.
I just like seeing video footage of Mitchell Johnson looking upset and bewildered.
They devote more time to the interviews and build up than recreating any vague idea of how the day ebbed and flowed. The TMS 15 minute podcast roundup manages to do it better.
so far this series. Even allowing for Shane Watson playing a Test, that's a remarkably high standard.
Well done Gaffers! http://channelhopping.onthebox.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/SNN2801GAF_1628174a.jpg
to a position of relative security against South Africa
they're lost a few of the one dayers and were confortably outscored in the first innings of the last test, which was presumably rather interrupted.
the pitches are not what you get in South Africa mind you - Morkel barely able to get it above *Mushfiqur's* waist-height
No de Kock. Few retirements recently-ish. The anti-Gaffers for a captain:
Many people around the world will probably put the TV on and say Simon Harmer, who is that? Dean Elgar, he's played a couple of games; Stiaan van Zyl, who's that? Temba Bavuma, who's that?
they're all in on merit, just about (bavuma i'm not so sure about but WARNING POLITICAL MINEFIELD YOU CAN'T SAY THAT)
first time he was called up it seemed a bit, uh, token - but he's gone and scored shitloads of runs in franchise cricket and his only test innings since has been a 50
*is a massive racist*
on a national cultural level, so 'token' is an unfair reduction of a complex positive-discrimination requirement
*hopes Bavuma smashes a ton*
making a controversial statement, the backlash to that statement and subsequent backtracking on the original statement into a ten minute period, entirely on your own. Good going.
new LH fast bowler is v good
with occasional quicker one
but an average of 25 in tests? that's great.
This dude's only 19 too.
yes I know I've used that before
this isn't unplayable ffs
Johnson's literally taking heads aff, numbers
And Gary Balonz....I guess.
bring in fuck knows. maybe paul collingwood!
Reverse the batting order. FUCK. WITH. THEIR. HEADS.
(srsly, wtf was he doing yesterday). If he and Root were still there and even only added another 20-30 before bairstow and stokes were called upon it would be very different.
I assume Caddick was night watchman.
came down the pitch, tried to defend, missed
It appears so...
Close of play
Thu, 17 Aug - day 1 - England 1st innings 105/5 (MP Vaughan 6*, AR Caddick 3*, 41 ov)
Caddick was actually a surprisingly decent batsman given how awkward he looked holding a bat.
it makes more sense the other way round, surely?
but Starc's average in tests is almost double his ODI average. Malinga's was only 6 or so higher. but i suppose he's definitely more effective in ODIs
but when he gets his yorker working he properly scares genuinely good batsmen in ODIs, never really seen him do that in a test match
Nah, I'll keep walking...
Come on lads.
How many times it's fucking 'umpires call' when it's out and not given and then we don't review a 'missing' when it is.
or whatever it was called
Think that was the ripper that got Cook yesterday.
bring back nathan hauritz
in a 3 pronged attack to rival 80s Windies.
Where the hell is peter siddle? the one aussie i want to see and they don't sodding pick him.
he can hold an end and take wickets.
Steves will be ranked best batsmen in the World, Mitchells will bowl, Nathans will dolly up some jammy wickets...
World-class perf…oh wait
Which of his wickets have shown me up exactly?
The freak stomach catch, the stupid one-handed slog, or the one that wasn't out?
come back and he's on a half century. what. is. going. on. ?.
Why do the batsman go for a little wander between balls and prod at the pitch? Like, I get it when they're sweeping crap off the wicket, but when they just walk a few paces, poke it, and then walk back. Is it just gamesmanship? Taking a breather? Genuine interest in geology? What??
its called "gardening"
but what do I know?
just seems a bit....compulsive
and, erm, footballers hocking up a load of phlegm every two minutes.
So nothing, but it seems to make them feel better.
this is an important q
somewhat unnecessary dismissal there, but you Poms will be happy enough with that lead aye?
Jimmy's gonna get ya
Batting 4th on this wicket could be interesting (even mid-afternoon on Day 3), so think we need to knock over Warner and Smith fairly early.
Tl;dr Would have been nice to score more runs, hope we take some wickets
but then being told you're too slow. Well embarassing.
(assuming he knows what being wry is, obviously)
Classic Test brewing, maybe
having been a bit meh in every other innings.
They've knocked off 73 in fifteen. Halved the deficit.
Pitch not doing anything
The bass player from muse on TMS!
so many possibilities!
they'll last another 45 minutes, right?
Freemason's in Covent Garden but I've left now
will an Aussie other than Warner reach double figures??
doesn't look like it at the moment!!?!?!
I've literally nothing else to do at work tomorrow
was looking forward to us stumbling to a winning target of 90-odd at 2 an over, losing 6 wickets in the process
maybe they can do a remix -
finn grimacing with red eyes, the radio comms instead of the spoken word woman bit.
i've had my fun and that's all that matters
Blimey. Warwickshire CEO's feeling pretty nervous right now.
Warwickshire's insurer's CEO's feeling pretty nervous right now.
What a time to be alive!
all out. repeat. good times.
my confident predo
get stokes off, he's gone full bad broad
that lad from Durham?
At number 1
he ought to be dropped though
I think Lees and Bell-Drummond are the other two in the frame at the moment.
They probably will stick with a winning team (assuming we see this home), but Lyth is definitely on borrowed time. Who knows? Maybe he'll finally learn to leave the occasional ball outside off stump and be fine at Trent Bridge?
Lyth was picked on weight of runs in the domestic game, which is what everyone generally wants to happen, but has been found wanting. Hales would be a bold choice, but he's got a mediocre first-class record. Robson and Compton barely outperformed Lyth as a Test opener and if you're going back to Compton you might as well go for Carberry who was unlucky to be dropped for good after not doing awfully in a horrific series against much tougher opposition.
Think England need to decide who they want long-term and just back them for 10-15 Tests. Robson's at least got age in his favour.
Be surprised if he's ever back in the frame. Going by the 'give them ten games' logic, Lyth still has 5-10 games to prove himself. Shame our Winter involves two of the top three toughest tours in world cricket at the moment. Not much opportunity to bed in and learn the ropes for anyone.
and he certainly hasn't done himself any favours.
Robson's form might have fallen off a cliff, but you're advocating Bell-Drummond who averages 27 in Div 2 this year?
I honestly have no idea who the solution is, I just think the management need to pick an opener and stick with them for a while.
Meant to be resting and sitting out our tour to Zim, but I reckon he could manage a couple of tests if need be.
Didn't realise Bell-Drummond's average was that poor this year. I think he's got a big future on what I've seen, and scoring 100 against this Australia attack was a very good sign at 21. Lees isn't having a much better season either. Has to be Hales, really, if they do decide to change.
on the basis that one massive score from anyone in the next two Tests might be enough to clinch the series and England should play positively. Plus he'd be playing at home.
If they have massive doubts about his technique though, just pick the best youngish batsman in terms of temperament/technique and tell him he gets the next three series to establish himself.
For all the major contenders: Runs in Div 1 this year, average
D Mitchell - 702 - 43.87
A Hales - 603 - 43.07
N Compton - 769 - 40.47
M Stoneman - 827 - 37.59
S Robson - 647 - 34.05
M Carberry - 709 - 33.76
A Lees - 523 - 34.86
And a few from Div 2...
N Browne - 772 - 38.60
D Bell-Drummond - 585 - 27.85
T Westley - 571 - 47.58 (plus 144 against the Aussies in the tour game)
Z Ansari - 526 - 30.94
No-one making a particularly powerful argument really. Last 2 are interesting as they bowl spin too, but if they don't go with Lyth again I reckon Hales is up next. Compton, Robson and carberry have all had their chance with no great distinction and it's too early for any of the others. Plus this is the BOLD NEW ERA of test cricket, and Hales fits the bill for that.
T. Bresnan - 540 - 60.00 (Div 1)
That's an up-and-coming talent if ever I saw one.
But where's Varun Chopra gone in this discussion?
Heart says Mitchell, head says idk maybe Stoneman, he does play half his cricket on a raging seamer and he has many a shot
Think he should be part of the discussion, but the lower end of it.
Oof. Forgot about him because the list of averages didn't go down that low. :/
I can confidently tell you Tom Westley is not international standard.
Mainly put him on as he has the highest average of them all this year, only seen him in a couple of one-dayers.
Marsh for Voges, Clarke back to 5?
i quite like it that the aussies have their ian bell as their captain this series.
obviously not as good but not a complete disaster
One of the Overtons?
We're definitely not short of good pace options at the moment, are we?
get Bresnan is as well. In fact just pick the whole Yorkshire team and Steve Finn.
I think it's because he looks so bloody cheeky
Pretty effective good luck charm.
But the bloke's a medium-paced batting allrounder nowadays for fuck's sake
Rushworth or Sidebottom for the one-off horses for courses Trent Bridge job, Craig Overton if we feel like going stupid, Footitt for the dead rubber at The Oval, Plunkett maaaybe, Woakes if we want to be fucking boring and Strauss-era, which we don't, so don't pick Woakes
Show some imagination, mate.
Just cause it would be funny to have nine proper batsmen in the team.
However, his bowling is just so unbearably mundane - and not in a hypnotic McGrath way - that I am willing to argue against him with at least half the vehemence of the great Bresnan Arguments
Oh, Jack Brooks is probably in the frame too. Forgot him.
means they can bump moeen down to 9 somehow too.
See if he can't left-arm-fast-Mitchell-Johnson it up into people's ribs a bit. I have my doubts though.
that everyone's gone very quiet about him since they went away to Spain.
Still, just think of the grandstand finish, 2-2 going into the final Test.
Anyone else shitting it a little bit? If we have to chase say 150+?
Weather looks very good for batting, and this tail has underperformed so far relative to their ability. We're 95% sure to win, though.
And no, not with Ianfinity Bell at number 3!
and we're England.
They put on 140 for the last 3 wickets at Edgbaston in '05
166 at Trent Bridge 2013.
don't think we should piss our pants just yet
If they're still batting at lunch, then we can start collectively shitting ourselves.
just that there's a chance they might apply pressure. If they had Warne I'd be bricking it for any chase over 100 on this wicket tbh
I think any lead will make us piss our pants, but I reckon even with shit openers there are a couple of half centuries in there somewhere, plus odds and sods = win.
Lose a couple of wickets and the jitters start. If Johnson decides to have one of his mad days, it could get tight. We should be fine. But it's not done and dusted.
Get back to your ump-cave.
Like, little ones that you can tuck away in the corner of your screen?
can't remember where it was though
lyth - 0
cook - 27
bell - 14
root - 43
bairstow - 52
buttler - 2
stokes - 2
moeen - 37no
broad - 3no
Hope he gets 8.
One of the reasons they're ranked so high in Tests despite having so many mediocre parts to the team.
Been at least a decade their last five wickets have regularly outscored their first five.
but was certainly a horribly depressing feature of the Gilchrist era and again in the 13/14 Ashes.
Been the other way round the last two tests.
Quickfire 50 - keep him in.
Out wafting around outside off stump again - go home.
Like, when we're batt... you know what I mean.
They seem to want to treat it like a t20 game anyway
If we can't knock off 140-150 in these conditions on a day three pitch, we don't deserve to win the test.
34 overs, 4 wickets
Can we just put Lyth at number 5 or something?
to the Eng-er-land!!
DEFINITELY think we should try and slog him down the ground. DEFINITELY.
def a century at least
lyth outscored cookie
what a response from the sherminator
10 balls, 5 4s
That's "imaginative" captaincy at its absolute stupidest.
That'll be all.
just needs a pep-talk from alyssa and a cold beer
what england players would u ship
reckon joe root and katherine brunt would be a fine yorkshire pair
jos buttler and ben stokes tho
oh what a surprise he's guaranteed his place in the side for another year after 11.99 months of not scoring anything
All for banting off the Aussies when they're struggling, but well into diminishing returns territory now
Australia 27 ahead overnight with 7 wickets down and Gilchrist, McGrath & Warne still to play a part: ok to worry a little bit about that.
Australia 27 ahead overnight with 7 wickets down and Nevill, Starc and Lyon still to play a part: stop wetting the bed.
Was 1882: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/62404.html
in the pavilion remarked, amidst some laughter, that Jones ought to thank the champion for teaching him something!
Not that different. I think you're laying it on a bit thick here.
Sure, he's no Nathan Lyon!
I WAS RIGHT YOU GUYS
No way this Australia attack would ever bowl us out for under 120 on a flat pitch...
Going to watch some club cricket in Solihull tomorrow because we love supporting #grassroots.