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general consensus among drag and non-cis people in my orbit is this isn't a great call. As a CHUD my own opinion is hilariously unimportant so I won't.
(not so much w/the het but god it's too good of an acronym to resist)
No, me neither.
watched the one where Alaska and co. roast Ru, and I was in tears with laughter.
Also watched Paris is Burning, that was pretty downbeat though.
Was pretty brilliant and then, yeah, that ending.
and it was almost universally "died tragically young of AIDs-related illnesses", aside from Dorian Corey, who on top of that kept a corpse hidden in her flat for 15 years :(
from ex-DiSer here:
but that reminds me of a discussion on fb of some article about trans people and someone (the type who would frequently describes things as problematic) said 'I can't believe drag queen's are accepted, it's like the trans equivalent of black face'. Suffice to say she was quickly shot down.
It's so silly. The two traditions are pretty much polar opposite from each other, in terms of their history and intention.
of people using drag as a way to explore their female identity, and eventually coming out as transgender. I'm pretty sure there was one on Drag Race, come to think of it.
and revealed she was undergoing gender reassignment. Ru still sent her home because she DGAF.
carmen, sonique, monica, kenya...
plenty of people are
it's massively tickled me that this is your second contribution to the thread. "I'll have a nice bit of a chat about a film, then tell the OP to fuck off" bd
drag queens parodying ciswomen than transwomen.
a small Pride spin-off event is choosing not to have to drag queens perform following concerns from a number of trans people. Why the outrage?
I'm not sure I entirely agree with a blanket ban on drag queens, although everyone will have ample opportunity to see them perform at every other Pride event in the world.
Facebook official stuff.
I guess people might feel outraged if a big part of their identity as part of an LGBT subculture is being labelled offensive by an LGBT group. It's quite hard for any of us not involved in drag to understand how deeply entangled it can feel for some people to the struggle for equality. I can't really speak with authority about it cause I'm not involved in the subculture. But I think that's probably where the outrage stems from, from what I've seen and read.
is that this sets up and stokes a false binary / opposition that doesn't really exists - that there's been more overlap and more support between the two communities than this suggests, as pegfeet touched on above. This is probably a gross oversimplification. I'm not sure anyone's, like, demanding heads though.
and that's why I'm not fully in support of a total ban on drag acts - I think each act should be assessed individually as to whether they are likely to cause offence to trans people - but fair play to the organisers for addressing the concerns of those that brought it to them.
he feels entitled to speak on behalf of the trans community.*
*don't love it, obvs.
as though they are some homogeneous group that all think the same. There's likely to be quite a few trans people that couldn't give a shit or even actively enjoy drag acts.
By trying so hard to not cause offence you might inadvertently offend someone. And that's why basing decisions on 'offense' is stupid.
It just makes you look super thick
give it a fucking rest for the afternoon eh pal
the decision not to include drag performers was decided on following concerns from a group of trans people that had brought it up with the organising committee. Which I have mentioned twice already.
it's impossible to say whether that group's views were in the majority or the minority. I could probably find you ten gay men who think Islam is the root of all evil on a sweep of Hurst St on a Friday night. Doesn't make it the gay view on Islam. I appreciate that's not quite the same, but it makes the point. I have three trans friends and none of them hold this view. I'm not sure if there has been any sort of survey to determine attitudes in the community or anything?
that would be silly to suggest there is. The way I see it is that the organisers have responded to a concern that may hinder the event from being a safe space for all. That's it. Drag performers, like everyone else, are still free to attend, they just won't be performing.
'big' Pride events have historically had poor representation of trans performers and the trans community in general, yet this has never been met with the same level of commotion.
are pretty inadequate when it comes to the T bit (and indeed the B bit a lot of the time), and it's something the community needs to address. There is a lot of transphobia and ignorance among gays and lesbians.
I don't know. This feels like a political move to me. Maybe I'm being overly cynical.
is really fucking upsetting :(
this has gone from nearly everyone in glasgow vaguely on the leftish/progressive side being really supportive and excited about this (as the anti-commercial grassroots alternative pride event its positioned itself as) to generating complete outrage at every mention of it. it's definitely and inarguably damaged the profile and success of the event.
seems to me the concerns were probably raised in sincerity by trans people with a stake in the event (even if, in reality, those concerns weren't particularly representative of "the trans community's" feelings on the matter in general) and responded to by the organisers in good faith, but really the sensible thing to do would have been to simply and quietly not book any drag acts (or carefully select acts in consultation with the trans caucus), as opposed to making a public anti-drag statement and henceforth turning it into A Thing
shame on you cg
Certainly Pink News/Attitude have only been running with it the last couple of days, probably because there's been influential figures speaking out about it. It's not a competition.
Just think the whole thing goes to show how useless grouping people in such a loose manner can be. I can understand why some would be upset to exclude (I know it's not full exclusion, but would you want to attend as a 'cis' drag performer after this?) a group so prominent in the fight in times where being able to show less solidarity wasn't really an option.
just think cg is a bit off his game
i saw this four days ago https://freeprideglasgow.wordpress.com/2015/07/17/free-pride-drag-performance-policy-response/
Says something stupid and then realised people make fun of him for being stupid so he then writes a big sincere thing to prove he's not stupid or horrible and it's really needy. I've no idea but he's a nice guy irl (in real life)
Probably not one of those threads but I'll keep an eye out.
"make fun of him for being stupid"
Not sure I fully understand why it's such a big deal. The community should be celebrating it's common threads not trying to build walls of difference.
(more than conservative supporters)
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a git who isnt worth it.
But trans people are people and just as able to get distracted and confused by the minutiae of rights and offence...drag queens can be brash and crass and show offy and they might not want to be associated with them....but theres a shed load of things that everyone gets associated with that they dont want to
apparently largely due to the amount of correspondence from trans people supporting drag. Positive outcome, I think.