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Seems like they get abuse wherever possible. Cyclists, do you feel hated?
go through red lights, weave their way through traffic.
I hate cyclists when I'm driving, hate cars when I'm cycling and hate everyone when I'm walking.
I don't hate cyclists but they have a habit of annoying pedestrians a lot more than motorists I think and everyone is a pedestrian at some point.
Automobile drivers are also bellends
Pedestrians are the tits
physically able to walk much faster) are the worst of the lot
and they don't like the inconvenience.
There's almost a bleak resignation to the fact that we're in the way of everyone, weaving through traffic and dodging red lights.
The only thing that makes me feel slightly unwanted are those "CYCLISTS STAY BACK" stickers on cars. I get round this by passing cars/buses on the right.
do get the occassional YOU FUCKING BIKE CUNT but definitely no more than you'd expect given the number of anger issue bellends allowed cars. doesn't come close to the tool who literally parked on the motorway trying to get in my face (after I flipped him off, admittedly, but hey)
even though he knows he shouldn't?
draw your own conclusions
but it sounds like you're saying you were cycling on the motorway.
No need to look further.
just driving. he belted up behind me, lights flashing and all that, I did the combo face-scratch/up middle finger as he passed.
literally came here to post
so yep, smash, and no idea wtf you're wittering on about ya bell.
Car drivers: planet killing wankers who don't indicate
Cyclists: smug lycra twats who run red lights
Pedestrians: head in the cloud morons who dodge into my way at the last minute.
Basically: runners >>>>>>>>>>> pedestrians > cyclists > Pablo Honey > drivers.
As well as cyclists hurtling down narrow pavements, you get cunts in lycra running flat out in rush hour
I agree, what you describe is unacceptable (runners shouldn't be running on main streets, especially if there's no room for 'em).
some drivers are fucking muppets
some pedestrians are fucking muppets
some runners are fucking muppets
In summary, some people are fucking muppets
Which is why they shouldn't be in control of fast metal things.
bit more dangerous than being any other kind of fucking muppet mentioned above
the lycra cunts usually behave quite well, it's the suits you have to watch out for.
often for about 3x the price. well played, Nike.
Just presume cycling to be some sort of neocon conspiracy. Ooh my body's a temple, oh I'm saving time and money. Boo.
worst of the lot - speed, run red lights (how many times do you see one pull into the cyclist box by traffic lights?), weave through traffic - the only reason i dont think they are hated is because they don't slow cars down a few seconds.
hating cyclists appears to be acceptable even in these pc days
the number of times a car has sped past me within inches is crazy, no thought for another human beings life, but it's okay, it's only a cyclist.
that's probably why they're at the top of the road-user foodchain
And tbf I've never met someone with a motorbike who hasn't crashed in some form, which is retribution enough.
might... stop. it's quite stressful.
They are just terrible people, ignore traffic lights (you can never be certain with a green man if a cyclist is about), they ignore cycle restrictions on trains taking up three seats and then sitting in a seat, they don't bother using cycle lanes where they exist leading to a queue of cars, and they are really boring and talk about bikes all the time I've list many friends to cycling
"they don't bother using cycle lanes where they exist".
There's no obligation on cyclists to use a cycle lane - many of them (even the "SuperHighways" in places) are so badly designed that they're better off not doing so. Can see why it's frustrating for some drivers though.
there is a perception that you have to use cycle lanes & it does need to be quashed
Of course you should use the cycle lane, it may not be law but that would be the reasonable expectation of most road users
and means cyclist are seen as "lesser" road users compared to car drivers, because if there's a cycle lane then they "SHOULD" use it when in fact like hibster says, sometimes they are really stupid and dangerous and it's far safer to use the road
Cyclists are just as entitled to use the road whenever they want.
Don't think they should be if impacts on other road users, can grind a road to a halt
Like when they are causing a massive tailback when there is a purpose built lane they can be using (tge specific one I'm thinking of there are no safety concerns it's like a separate raised pavement), how can people do that, put others out so they can ride their little toys
to use the road as people in cars, right?
that includes the right the cycle on the road
TTF is, like, current top of the Depressed Troll list
So it's ok to use 'depressed' as an insult and to invalidate opinions now is it?
What about the depressed bit? Is that ok?
'I feel guilty and have been rightly called on something, but it's by someone I think is a troll and therefore am going to pretend it didn't happen' post, isn't it?
It's really easy, and would make you look much better than whatever this is you're doing now.
already tried to leap on me once already in this thread, I guess.
I mean, obviously you don't. But are you really too proud to back down?
you can keep pulling my pigtails as much as you like.
You're being a real cunt today
Well you shouldn't be
Genuinely irked by this, if you disagree with someone you should challenge opinions, not just try and undermine and dismiss with belittling insults. Main problem with this site/the world. But yeah easier to call people trolls
But it's ok to use depressed as an insult yeah?
And as for the trolling bit, how? I don't troll on here, I sometimes am quite persistent but am always sincere
onto tone of the things they read.
For evidence, see his track record on fighting the good fight for feminism. You won't get him on anything. He's a lovely guy. Heart of gold.
I know they have the right, doesn't mean they aren't being inconsiderate
they should always use the "cycle path" and that using the road, for which bikes have a right to use, is somehow inconveniencing them
It's not a one to one thing though, one cyclist being inconsiderate to many behind them, and as I said before the situation I'm thinking if is not a safety thing so there is no reason not to use it
there's LOADS of reasons why you wouldn't use a cycle path (doesn't lead you to the right place, stuff's parked in it, massive potholes, the exit/entrance is dangerous or difficult to use, plus it's quite likely that you perceive it to be fine when a cyclist might not)
in any case that doesn't detract from the "right to use the road" thing. i expect you'd be similarly irked if there was no cycle path
How could I be similarly irked, I'm irked they don't use a path when it is there, if there is no path there is no irk
I used to find cyclists going on the road instead of the cycle path really annoying, but when you go through all the ways cycle paths are slower and more complicated than using the road, I can understand why people don't go on them.
That said, if I am ever holding up even one car, and I have the opportunity to move onto a cycle path or the pavement, I'll do it, cause I hate that feeling and it's usually really easy to do.
don't hear me calling all motorists ignorant
or making up guestimates on the proportion that jump red lights, or cycle on the pavement
I just quietly wait like a good person.
I cycle (and drive) in rural Yorkshire and I've rarely if ever experienced any animosity either way.
Lots of space and lots of cyclists.
I think it is a shame if all the hype about motorist/cyclist 'warfare' puts people off cycling.
not necessarily in life, but they get on a bike and become a total ringpiece, unaware, oblivious, entitled and aggressive. That's a high enough proportion for people to just say 'I hate cyclists'.
I think it's also, as a driver, if you have an incident with a cyclist, even if it was their fault, you feel terrible because the chances are they got hurt, even in minor incidents. No one likes being made to feel guilty or responsible for someone else being hurt, even if they were cycling like a penis with a death wish.
Is that not just kids being dicks and not really thinking of how severe the consequences are?
recording karaoke videos of himself while the vehicle is in motion
I spend most of my time in traffic btw <3
Also, I wish that was >50% of my time. I'm always bloody driving!
used it for the first time in ages this morning, forgot how utterly shit and wobbly it is
Or just the title?
to watch a story, which is a welcome change.
I sent you a butt wax selfie, what the hell more do you want.
not DiS enough.
DiSquotes is about people crying over something pathetically middle class or having to interact with other people as a human being. (probably could/should be updated more often though)
Even though a bike's really thin and they could easily be right next to the kerb. Don't even get me started about when they ride next to each other taking up the whole road when there's loads of cars behind them.
they like to a have a little chat yeah? cycling can be quite boring
is one of the safest things to do at junctions mate.
They do this whenever they fancy it. Think they own the road.
Knew you'd speak some sense into these noodle armed quentins
i'd have you know i've got actual arms.
but i am a total quentin. :'(
but have you got those games workshop arms?
and no, you haven't got them, I'm afraid.
and there was no-where else to go and they tottered around for 10 miles in their shitty walking gear, would you be annoyed?
what the fuck is your point?
I would imagine you would be 'very annoyed'
Srsly though, there aren't many places where there's a dedicated cycle path but nowhere for pedestrians to go? At least in my experience. I do use a lot of shared pathways where pedestrians always have right of way, so I just go really slowly along them (pedestrains are normally dead nice about letting you pass if there's room or it's convenient), or I don't use them at all.
The right that cars and bikes have to the road, is the same as the right thats bikes and pedestrians have to cycle lanes. Both your crying about it has proved my point and I'll bow out safe in the knowledge you've been thoroughly irked.
do you mean dual use pathways?
or dedicated cycle paths (where bikes have the right of way over pedestrians)
on a road, there is no "right of way" for a car or bike, they are equal
just after finishing a taxing job application, that was my error wasn't it
onto the tone of the things they read. Any of pn's posts above could be read any number of ways.
this as a calm, considered response from a great guy.
because they want to spend $$$$ to be Bradley Wiggins
On long straight country roads?
from the kerb, have you seen the etritus at the edge of the road, mostly caused by cars, natch.
& the highway code says that cars should give (insert correct amount of space that is not huge, but is more than you think) space.
cars generally don't do this, though there are some polite drivers that do.
the same amount of room as a car according to the highway code
down my road that i end up cycling in the middle of the lane when i'm cycling down it
that much lycra and pleading with you to ride a tandem with them for 10 months can only lead to lifelong disdain for all cycling-related activity, even though i know most cyclists aren't like that
he was fixing up an old tandem and tried to persuade me to borrow his mum's cycling shorts so we cuold ride it. NO. NEVER.
tried it with the former future mrs catstro in china once and we nearly punched each other out in mutual rage
sounds like she was well shot
Lad clearly had quite severe issues. Well swerved.
his dad once had to walk over me on the stairs in his lycra. i had a face full of old man saggy lycra arse. traumatising :(
because she refused to go cycling with him and generally do super sporty active weekends. It's not her bag, and it was just so weird seeing that become this huge issue :(
constantly bickering about it. one time I was feeling a bit down about my weight, he manipulated me into going running with him in a field behind his house (which he'd wanted to do for ages), and then wouldn't let me back into his house to get my stuff until I'd done x number of laps. broke up with him not long after that.
"Why have a bike if your following the rules of the road. It would take just as long as a car. No number plate. I'm a bike wanker, you should try it."
I don't cycle that much (I don't commute, but probs do about 50-70km a week for "recreation") and I rarely get any people shouting at me. Some absolutely terrible drivers about, mind you.
If you are driving at 10mph in that annoying spot between gears behind a cyclist who isn't even fucking pedalling, it is easy to paint them as a stereotype smug prick. The article has a point about it seeming odd that people can openly endorse the death of such people. I would suggest those attempting a nippy overtake aren't actually trying to kill them, they have either misjudged it or not realise how such an overtake can be scarier to a bike than a car.
you're not allowed to cycle on pavements are you?
Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835 as amended by Section 85 (1) of the Local Government Act 1888
(no, you're not)
I sometimes do it if I'm coasting (I'm always coasting. Don't see the issue with it. If a pedestrian comes along I either slow right down if there's room or drop down onto the road til I'm round them. Great cycling manners.
but I'd never get on a high horse if someone bollocked me for it.
I have to cycle on the pavement for a bit to get to my flat. can't be fucked getting off and pushing the last wee bit. not sure what the point of this post is.
Will go from a "there's a road there" and a nod when I'm sober to a "GET ON THE FUCKING ROAD YOU CUNT" when drunk.
even though I occasionally indulge myself
and then if the cyclist turns around you shit yourself.
Proper shit myself but had to keep acting hard
From my experience, male cyclists exhibit the most twattish behaviour but women cyclists seem to be more oblivious of what's going on around them and they seem to think it's everyone else's fault when something goes wrong. Case in point, the other day a woman cyclist had a go at me for having the temerity to delay my turning right due to a car appearing immediately on my right which nearly caused her to crash into me from behind. "Don't indicate if you're not turning!" she barked. Yeah I'll just pass through the car like some kind of bike ghost shall I?
is that proportionally, women cyclists might have less nouse?
lots of cyclists are really stupid and don't know what they're doing
the number of people i see squeezing past a large vehicle on its left is just baffling, i'm like WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DIE
I haven't noticed this at all, you horrid little sexist
Means that he's specifically saying not all women are worse cyclists, just he's only had trouble with them?
but you're really filling this thread with drivel, and I hope you nob falls off
Well the original bit anyway
you're aware that this is certainly not serious, right?
to find it funny enough, and therefore watch it enough, to understand this reference.
El the massive outrageous awful sexist - does a sexist post but it's fine b/c he doesn't mean it
(also, "moron" after ragging me upthread, you scamp?)
I know what you're referring to, but unlike the 'r' word, it's used 99% of the time to refer to someone stupid, rather than anything medical, and the greek root, mōron, neuter of mōros just means foolish, so....
and I thought it was pretty obviously a joke, so hence my disbelief anyone thought it was real.
Clearly a 'character' post, no?
Jokey language, eg: Bike ghost?
The fact that historically El has switched between actual posts where he is clearly of similar sensibilities to the rest of us, to posts to essentially get a reaction (including totally believably fooling me, at least once)
There are plenty of clues...
as you obviously missed it?
it's the same as family guy mexican jokes. I'm not a huge fan.
anyway can we please now see if I get ant to blow up by knocking the antipodes at the bottom of the thread
If somebody were to give you reason to believe the use of the word 'moron' was problematic, would your reaction be to reflect on it and maybe apologise, or would you go on the offensive and start talking about people 'leaping' on you, say you were 'comfortable' with the offence you'd caused and refuse to take any responsibility for your actions? Just hypothetically...
if someone was genuinely offended by it and found it offensive I'd only ever see it as an opportunity to learn from it.
that anyone is offended by this, then I'm sorry, and if you'd like to pm me we can talk about it.
If only others could be so forthright. Thank you.
"waaaaaah I had to slow down a bit"
"waaaaaaah there's somebody making me think while I drive and I'm inadequate and don't know how to behave"
think it's cos their babies.
I drive more than cycle but I'm way too hard to let a cyclist bother me, EVEN IF they are cycling badly.
"wahhhh a cyclist did a typo"
not a proper hardcore one like CG
that twunt is all about poncing around in the right gear.
apply it to all people within that group
I don't think anyone really thinks the stereotype applies to the whole group, but the stereotype exists and there is a high prevalence of it.
Really shouldn't do that. Your anecdotal experience isn't how every cyclist behaves.
I know I was, I don't think that of all cyclists but think it applies to many
It does neither 'side' any favours and only helps to drive a wedge between cyclists, drivers and pedestrians. I cycle about 6.5k miles a year and understand that the poor driving I encounter is not representative of all drivers. I've never done any of the things listed in your post, yet all cyclists break the same rules?
I'm not saying all cyclists break the rules. But there is a higher level if rule breaking, in London if you are at a crossing with a green man and you see a cyclist approach you basically have to wait to see what they are doing, so widespread is the assumption the rules don't apply, or risk being run over or shouted at
Fucking lol. Have you ever driven on a motorway?
Done this in a previous thread, at a crossing I would never have any doubt cars will stop, cyclists almost more often than not they don't they just expect you to get out if the way. Never seen a car act in the same way.
then had to step back off cause someone zips through regardless more times than I can count.
(which they shouldn't be doing)
not bothering to indicate
going through a red light
passing cyclists and not giving enough room
yesterday i saw a car smash into another car in a car park and just drive off :')
given that people in cars are in control of something that is VERY easy to, you know, kill people with (and kill SO MANY MORE people than people on bikes), pretty sure all our rage should be moved towards shit car drivers, not the occasional cyclist who goes through a red light (i am NOT excusing them. i always stop at a red / stop at a zebra crossing etc etc)
all the time. like, all the time.
but this is a great example of whataboutery.
You're right, of course, that plenty of cars do the above - speeding more than anything else - but that mean that we shouldn't be bothered about the cyclists that are a menace at red lights or on pavements as well (albeit in my experience, there's not as many as there were a couple of years ago).
But there seems to be a "EVERY CYCLIST DOESN'T STOP AT A LIGHT" mentality which just isn't true. You should be concerned by anyone who isn't following the highway code and anyone who's putting lives at danger. My point was that cars do these things too, a lot, and when they do they are putting far more lives in danger than when cyclists do it.
On which note, I still don't think TFL/the Met are taking misbehaving trucks in London seriously enough, even with the latest crackdown.
I drive a lot - don't have a problem with most cyclists- but you get the odd few making some terrible decisions. Not like there's loads of them - and not like they outnumber the many many terrible drivers on the roads.
Couple of things which have annoyed me recently:
Cycling slowly next to each other having a chat. Then getting annoyed when people hoot at you? Don't understand that one.
Loads of lycra warriors wearing full team Sky gear and cycling with one light on them. Do they not understand that they're wearing complete black and so cannot be picked out against bright lights? Seen so many people nearly come a cropper because of this.
Also, there's a bit on the Archway Road where the easiest place to pull out of a side road onto the very busy main road is next to a pedestrian crossing (traffic lights) you usually have to wait for the lights to go red, then edge out - as I'm turning right, you naturally look left to check for cars coming that way as you start pulling out. I make sure that I check both ways now as so many cyclists just bomb straight through the red lights and nearly collide with you.
I understand the arguments for going through some red lights - but don't do it at about 20mph.
Cycling slowly next to each other having a chat. Then getting annoyed when people hoot at you? Don't understand that one.
yeah I bike a lot but I'm with you here. proper rage.
rarely succeed - but this drives me insane. Why the fuck would you possibly think it's acceptable to do that?
there's lots of roadworks round near me at the moment, many which force the traffic into a single lane and there are signs everywhere saying "SINGLE LANE DO NOT OVERTAKE CYCLISTS". i have taken the lane in these cases and STILL been beeped by car drivers. just makes me go really slowly and turn around and smile at them, the complete utter pricks
I wave at drivers when I get beeped at. Get some funny waves back, but it's all fun at the end of the day.
Is eltham's post serious?
can we start again?
Cycling in Glasgow = frequently made to feel like a terrorist by other people's barely suppressed antagonism
Cycling in Switzerland = feel an overwhelming sensation of inner calm at being part of a community of co-operative road users all working together for the benefit of all.
Cycling. All the gear. All the strava screenshots.
And the attitude that people are out to get them
But this article is brilliant
in the article.
because he tried to take a shortcut between me and a person I was walking with rather than go on the grass to our left. Elbow is still sore after four months, laptop needs repairing under my insurance excess.
A car driver has yet to do the same (touch wood).
(rubs sore elbow and grimaces)
they're doing the right thing. Not getting in a car and killing the world. They're not causing any emissions and they're going to be healthier, so cost the NHS less money. They're mainly just trying to get to work like anyone else but they're doing it in a better, more sustainable way. Car drivers really hate the fact that they're in the wrong there. Sure, there are exceptions, people who live a billion miles away from work or whatever or are disabled but where I live, it's mainly cause people are lazy cunts who don't give a shit about anyone other than themselves.
I've not even read this thread but guaranteed people will be moaning about the law breaking. Simple (but expensive) thing to do would be to fit a cyclist traffic light, allowing cyclists to go first safely. Drivers, you should want this, so that you're not having to dawdle behind them as they begin pedaling from a standing start.
and the showers also weren't minging. Can't do either of those things. Don't know if that might encourage anyone else to cycle instead?
You'd think that they would have included showers in the building but they're only JUST opening a 'cycle hub', which charges for safe bike housing and showers. Luckily work will pay.
"Can't do either of these things" doesn't make sense as the showers not being minging isn't something I can do. I also meant to write 'as well' rather than 'instead'. I've absolutely schooled fidel throughout the thread, but my typing has been dreadful most of the way through, and I apologise for that.
15 miles without a shower? hmmmm
'Not getting in a car and killing the world. They're not causing any emissions and they're going to be healthier'
PN is a cyclist. You think about that.
I've not read this thread either but guaranteed people will be moaning about the law breaking. Simple (but expensive) thing to do would be to fit a pedestrian traffic light, allowing pedestrians to go first safely. Cyclists, you should want this, so that you're not having to wave through them as they begin crossing the road from a standing start.
to such a boring baiting post.
almost as much as I do riding on the pavement.
Pegfeet goes away for a bit and everyone forgets what an awful bullying brutal shit-stirrer he is and engages with him.
over the past couple of years. Any examples of bullying in this thread? Fidel said something unpleasant. I pulled him up on it.
was because of the many unpleasant and uncalled for things you said to me.
so he fills the blanks with these bizarre interpretations of what I'm doing, and then flies off the handle about it ("awful bullying brutal shit-stirrer" ffs :D) and goes way over the line with his attacks on me. And it is genuinely unpleasant. I know it comes from a place of misunderstanding, but it's kind of unsettling.
ease off a bit, maybe, just to make sure you don't end up on another extended break eh.
can't say I'm surprised tbh
I don't want any of this. Please.
But similarly a moderator shouldn't be accusing people of being depressed as a way of insulting them ffs
I'm comfortable that I didn't, but him and raffles got a bit tinkish about it.
Just for the record.
Then you must've meant it in a matter-of-fact way? Either way is completely out of order
As if he should be getting that personal in the first place, but if he is actually suffering/knows someone suffering from depression how the fuck is he meant to feel? I get he's your mate and you want to stick up for him but it was really shit.
If you thought my post was me 'sticking up for fidel' then you misunderstood.
It was me trying to remind everyone that Pegfeet is a hate troll who shouldn't really be engaged with on any kind of serious level. Now he's going to do his whole 'thing' in response now. I don't really care. He's spent too long doing this for me to give a shit now.
As to the 'depressed troll' stuff, I dunno. Things get heated...I'm not really much of a fan of people being argumentative and then leaping on a particular one word aspect to divert attention from them having a shit point they can't defend. I don't really pay much attention to ThingsThatFly because I don't really need to make sure I note who's constantly being Mr. Edgy and who isn't, so I defer to Fidel's assessment of him for now.
Probably best not to use the term in future but you'd be really projecting your dislike of him to assume he didn't give a shit about mental illness because of that terminology, eh?
while fundamentally misunderstanding every thread you've commented on about it. If you can give some sort of idea of why you think I'm a 'hate troll' (honestly hilarious that you think this) maybe I can try and explain where you've got me wrong. I know I've tried this in the past and you've ignored me, but worth another try. I think if you're going to vomit up this kind of stuff about me every couple of months, you should make some kind of attempt to justify it.
I haven't really checked. Also, threads by users who got deleted will have been removed.
Pretty sure the bad ones were under http://drownedinsound.com/users/Pigfoot_ but can't really remember. Equally it's not about individual posts, it's just classic stuff like you see in this thread. Not all trolls are quite so obvious.
Because I am completely bemused by this post.
you got banned/deleted as pigfoot, came back as pegfeet, and since have swung between being fairly unremarkable, and getting in people's faces massively, yes.
When I was in my late teens, I posted on here and some people disliked the way I posted. But if you looked back at the posts, and sadly we can't now so you'll have to take my word for it, I only ever went after people who were snarky or aggressive towards me, and it was always in good humour. I played up to it being a hugely significant battle of wits, and created a kind of legend of myself as part of the character, but it was all just stupid playing about. I probably crossed the line a few times. I was young and I'm sure there were things I said that I would regret in the cold light of day 10 years down the line. But I really think calling me a 'hate troll' and making quite personal attacks on me is pretty ridiculous.
as I was struggling to concentrate at work. I've never been banned or deleted because of anything I've said or done. I absolutely leave people alone until they start with me, then I'll give as good as I get. Theo was a slightly different case because he said so much unpleasant stuff to me before I left. The first person to throw an insult today was you with 'utter chump'. Up until then I was very polite with you, despite not liking you.
yes, the post I responded to with the word "chump" was in no way you just showing up out of nowhere to be provocative, of course.
I believe what I said to be true, and I thought it was weird that both you and S_A_D were both revelling in how 'wound up' pn supposedly was, without knowing her actual state of mind (what she said afterwards notwithstanding).
as I just wanted to help her realise she was being wound up.
anyhow, this is getting a bit thin, please just don't go overboard with your whole schtick yeah? thanks.
Just thought it was out of order, but then it starting looking like oh it was fine and anyone who says it isn't is just trolling. That's not the case.
I don't troll, if I did there would be evidence elsewhere and I am entirely consistent whenever this topic comes up because I do think that there is a disproportionate level of inconsiderateness amongst the group. I did take issue with 'depressed troll' you shouldn't use that as an insult, obviously anyone who has depression would not like that being said of them, and putting that aside you shouldn't just try and dismiss someone's opinion with a personal attack you should stick to the opinions and facts being discussed, even more so of mods. This one in particular often seems to get into these situations but doesn't seem to reflect on why that is
Some people on this board can't seem to fathom others think differently and so just throw the word troll around
It's a way of not engaging with anything you find challenging. Noticed lots of people doing it. My reputation as a 'troll' was borne entirely of this.
so not sure if that argument was made. Whether it was or not, it's definitely true.
and instantly regain the higher ground.
it was clumsy and thoughtless.
If that's 'stirring', so be it. Seems like a limited perspective to take on the world, to me.
Think they were talking about bike safety. The whole square was full of cyclists.
Whenever the man with the megaphone said stuff, a sea of lycra-clad cyclists were wimpily cheering and ringing their bike bells.
It sounded ridiculous.
That's the end of the story.
sorry about my cunty post then :/
the other two being Vauxhall gyratory and Elephant and Castle roundabout
Should both be a lot better soon, although no doubt not as good as they could/should be.
Vauxhall might be a bit better
E+C is just... terrifying though. And this has more to do with the road layout than the actual traffic.
are just jealous because they're not having an absolutely wonderful time riding a bike, aren't they?
than on the bike these last sweltering days. so, yes, probably.
possibly just suspicious of the technology, which in australia is probably still viewed as dark magic
is when I am walking on a pavement and they are cycling towards me. There is basically no excuse, if the road is too scary and busy then either find a different route or push the bike.
When they are going very, very slowly and not even pedalling. So slowly I struggle to actually drive slowly enough without stopping. Seems an odd thing to do, would I be allowed to coast along in the car with a load of lycra clad wallies behind me, would they happily accept that?
Self righteous ones with cameras, especially if they loudly confront a driver in the street for something very minor.
This does not apply to all and there are annoying things that all road users / pedestrians do as well kthx
on the berating motorists front but you have to bear in mind that what might seem like a 'minor' thing to someone protected inside a car, could actually have resulted in a couple of cracked ribs or a broken leg for the cyclist.
cars have passed me so many times and been really close, every time I've said something like "jesus fucking christ" out loud to myself because i was nearly convinced they were gonna knock me off, but to them it probably looks like they've given me enough room
very glad not one of them has heard me and stopped to have a go (yet)
both when running and cycling. Drivers really don't like it, but it makes the point clear.
of me hitting cars as they pass too close. I've seen some very angry men repeatedly threaten to get out of their cars, but none ever have.
the ONLY one I've had so far has been a bloody pedestrian in a cycle path and boy, he was not happy
The only particularly bad one I had was with someone who nearly ran me over because they couldn't be arsed to queue behind stuff that was turning left (they were turning right) and decided to floor it past the queue on the wrong side of the road.
The tap on their window got them so riled they turned left in the end and followed me half a mile down the road instead.
I usually put it down to men between about 30 and 50 (my personal experience is rarely with anyone else) not being able to stand the fact that they know they were in the wrong and hating that someone's made that point to them in public.
and ended up doing a hilariously effete slap, whilst almost wobbling off my bike. 1-0 van =(
and required much less often.
cars pass each other with inches to spare on narrow roads, to a cyclist that could feel really bloody close. Probably isn't malicious but it can seem that way.
that's what makes it MORE of a problem.
posting their bloody personal bests on facebook all the time.
I. Really. Don't. Care.
becoming the QUEEN OF THE MOUNTAIN of.
Gonna be a good day when I do it, I tell you.
because I don't know you IRL
Phew (only cos of Strava though)
They're wearing it so if you hit them in your two-tonne death machine at 70 miles an hour you can't just drive off and claim it's fine because they 'annoy you'.
N.B. I also drive a car. On the mainland.
there's a 90% chance they're talking shite, at least
bad: fidel_catstro, boris hohnson
Bad: Lance Armstrong.
but it does annoy me that they get to use the road for free and they don't have to pay any insurance, it's also annoying that literally anyone can ride a bike on the road without the need for any kind of formal assessment and if there is an accident then it will most likely be assumed that the accident was my fault. To be honest though all other road users annoy me, they are merely obstacles stopping me from driving wildly fast to my destination.
You don't pay to use the road. You pay for your cars emissions.
always worries me when I see a cyclist riding on the road without a helmet, as if they clip my car and smash their head on the road they are very likely to suffer serious head injuries or die and I could do without that on my conscience, I really don't get how come it's a legal requirement for a motorcyclist to wear a helmet but not a cyclist, yes I get that motorcyclists travel at higher speeds so need more protection, but anybody can ride a bike on the road and surely the evidence shows that wearing a helmet saves lives or does it?
There are studies saying that wearing helmets encourages drivers to pass closer, as they believe the cyclist is safer. Think there's a load of links in the article I posted upthread. The fact that it isn't a legal requirement doesn't change the fact that we have to share the roads with tonnes of metal flying past at close distance and high speed. I always wear one,but understand that people don't want to. Their choice.
And your question in the subject line rankles with me, almost as if you're shifting the blame for anything that might happen onto the cyclist for not wearing a helmet. The chances are, if you do clip a cyclist, there will be huge consequences, regardless of if they're wearing a helmet or not.
just genuinely interested as to why cyclists aren't legally required to wear helmets as surely the positives outweigh the negatives of not wearing one. I'm glad you wear one, i try and be aware of cyclists and all other road users, I don't think I'd drive closer to a cyclist if they are wearing a helmet as it concerns me hitting them at all as yes I agree the head isn't the only part of the body you can damage, I'd have all cyclists having to wear all over protection maybe leathers or something like motorcyclists, I'm not sure really, it does concern how vulnerable cyclists are though.
It's an issue that's been discussed to death on here. Apparently there have been studies that prove that cars drive more recklessly if passing someone who wears a helmet. I don't really understand why. Another argument that is used is that people are less likely to cycle if they HAVE to wear a helmet.
The discussion is complicated and certainly can't be likened to wearing a seatbelt. A seatbelt is a restraint that protects other victims of a crash as well as the person strapped in. A helmet simply doesn't serve that purpose.
Having said that, I feel that cyclists should wear helmets but not necessarily because of cars. I've been involved in a couple of nasty incidents that were my fault, with no other vehicle involved and each time the helmet has saved me from a trip to the hospital (at the least).
To be frank though, it seems like you're going through a list of reasons to dislike cyclists. You're perpetuating a 'them and us' attitude and that is precisely the problem that is prevalent on the roads. Being a radically different type of transport requires some concessions that unfortunately aren't yet offered on the roads in this country and yet cycling is emission free and beneficial to people's health. As such, it is the right thing to do for a huge swathe of the population. It should be encouraged, not hit with the usual barrage of Clarkson lite rhetoric, which you genuinely seem to be reading through like a list.
Cyclists should use cycle lanes, here's why I don't. I average between 19-24mph on my commutes to and from work. These speeds will be unsafe on dual use bike paths and pavements. I also ride on the white line or further out if there is a on road bike lane. I understand that very few cyclists will hit those speeds, but I do regularly and therefore choose not to use bike lines /paths.
Today, for example, on my ride home, on one section of road, where there is a usable bike path a mile long, I averaged 28.7mph over the mile,and touched almost 34mph. I can safely hit those speeds on the road, without holding traffic and it would be very unsafe to do that on the bike path.
sad to see him cyberbullied tbh
The same reason that people mither about vegetarians.
It's possibly a misplaced sense of inferiority. But probably not.
ooh look at me, I'm using the UK road network to get about like an actual human being but I'm propelling myself using nothing but the power of my own appendages
well la dee dah. Change the fucking record mate