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Let's hope this happens, so that America can finally fulfil its potential.
he already knew he would win.
"Mr. Trump’s policy views can be just as provocative as his demeanor. He calls climate change “a hoax” and says he has a “foolproof” plan to defeat the Islamic State that he will not reveal so as not to tip off the group."
and no one "does the military" like Trump.
He's going to "encircle them, then move in an take em out".
Just like Sun Tzu
"Our country is in serious trouble. We don't have victories anymore," he said.
"When was the last time anyone saw us beating, let's say, China in a trade deal? They kill us. I beat China all the time."
will be his running mate.
be his running mate.
votes off any Republican candidate, only a few mind.
So no votes at all unless he then runs as an independent afterwards.
like Ross Perot. At least the Republican race will be interesting.
I mean he's a decent snooker player, but I'm not sure he'd be any good at politics.
the state of his hair though.
do you think he looks at himself in the mirror and thinks "yep, nailing it"
you just shout at people until they agree you've won.
He's too far-right to be electable as president (even by our zany friends across the Atlantic) so won't win the Republican nomination. But he could ruin their chances by running as an independent as it would split the traditional Republican vote (and he probably has the resources to do so), which would be a strong bargaining chip in a bid to be the VP nominee.
It is crazy how well he is polling, and a damning indictment of America.
I think they might steer clear of crazies for the VP nomination too.
He isn't really much worse than the other Republican candidates in terms of his views, but he is more well known. I'm not surprised people are backing him at the start of his campaign - actually backing him when it comes to the time to vote is another matter.
CG hasn't come in here accusing us of being in a liberal bubble or something saying that Donald Trump has the best beliefs or whatever
imagine all the stupid shit he'll say in that time...
Trump's campaign feels like something that should have been the subject of a prophecy in the bible somewhere.
it's possible to squeeze onto a single stage:
and has a 'commanding lead'
but I don't really understand the process over there.
"Look at what a joke Trump is"
"Corbyn is the saviour of the Labour party"
The closest UK politician to Trump would be a mixture of Boris and Farage.
such a broad group of Middle America. It's all terrible terrible bullshit but blimey he knows his audience. Same thing as Boris - it's easy to call him a joke but then he really does start winning and it's not so amusing any more. Same shit hair too.
He was also only candidate not to commit to not running independently if he lost. Got booed at the time but it was the right move in hindsight
Do you think he could win as an independent? Or come anywhere even close to winning?
the general consensus in the Republican voters will be that he's more dangerous not being - at least - a running mate. Someone said up there ^ it wouldn't be a surprise if he was picked as such.
'If you dont vote for me im gonna make sure you dont win the election'.
there were even jokes about him getting into the mix as a favour to Hilary :D
as i posted below.
Its obviously bollocks but he does often veer wildly from the party line.
because while many US elections, and especially Republican primaries, have a streak of racism to them, this is the first one that I can think of where candidates are being explicitly anti-immigration. In the US!
best buds with the Clintons? One might suggest him running is basically sealing a Democrat win in the way hes embarrassing his fellow candidates at nearly every turn while also making himself completely unelectable by alienating all minorites and women. Its a cunning plan...
*puts on tinfoil hat*
is from when she was the New York senator. Every big businessman cosies up to whoever's in power in that city.
where Trump started pointing out which republicans he'd given money to. One of his big lines is that he's the only candidate who doesn't need to sell his policy decisions to secure funding
It's like Quantum Leap meets Schindler's List meets Die Hard.
The author of that article has an impressive history for this kind of stuff e.g. "it's time for an American jihad" to forcibly convert every nation's government into a reflection of the U.S. government.
"Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team."
Is that like the office first-aiders?
but what a cunt
everything you say about him feels utterly redundant. he's BLATANTLY awful but ....?
hat he's even got the platform is ridiculous.
It's beyond satire.
Am I correct in saying that they're voting to decide each party's presidential candidate? Does that happen across the country and Iowa is only a big deal because it's first?
Could really do with a podcast that looks at US politics from a UK standpoint.
but this is quite good: http://www.polis.cam.ac.uk/about-us/election
but one of my colleagues is just back from a family holiday (paid for by old relatives it seems), and it was a cruise out of florida, so you can imagine the average passenger: middle-old aged, middle American, god-fearing, tea party supporting, Bermuda shorts wearing, mouth-breathers, but she said, even given the demographic, the highly vociferous and overwhelming support amongst ALL of them was for Trump. She said it was inescapable- one of the show acts on board was a comedian, but instead of any kind of incisive or subversive political stand-up- it was quite the opopiste. Having judged his audience carefully, the comedian it seems was a total Trump sycophant. Whenever he metioned 'our next president Trump' he was getting a standing ovation. She said it was reminiscent of the Nuremberg rallies :o
Obviously as a study, it is meaningless given the circumstances/ the demographic, but it does worry me. I had 100% written him off as a joke candidate. Is there *actually* any chance of him standing a chance in any of this?
people on cruises
forcibly right at the start (it taking up the majority of the post) and again at the end.
Have you any idea quite how many people are just like that in the states? I don't either but my worry is that it might be a lot.
(and i presumed paid for) by her elderly grandparents who were celebrating a special wedding anniversary. It sounds pretty awful, having to share oxygen with those other passengers, but I'd like to bet that spending two weeks in January cruising the Caribbean and having to ignore some crackpot yanks > wrestling Storm Mildred in Glasgow.
...as it's a big swing state - remember that's where they were still counting votes for Bush 2 vs Gore when Bush 3 pulled the plug. That said, a bunch of yahoos on a cruise out of Florida are always going to be down with team Trump. Probably could get the nomination though.
Winning the election - I still think unlikely. Even the likes of Reagan and Bush Jr weren't this antagonising when running for President first time round. Personally I think if he is the candidate it'll be a 1964-style wipeout for the Republicans. But I may be naive there.
some of the stuff on Wikipedia about the 1964 election between Lyndon Johnson and Barry Goldwater sounds like Goldwater was a 1960s Trump:
'On September 7, 1964, Johnson's campaign managers broadcast the "Daisy ad". It portrayed a little girl picking petals from a daisy, counting up to ten. Then a baritone voice took over, counted down from ten to zero and the visual showed the explosion of a nuclear bomb. The message conveyed was that electing Goldwater president held the danger of a nuclear war. Goldwater's campaign message was best symbolized by the bumper sticker displayed by supporters claiming "In your heart, you know he's right.". Opponents captured the spirit of Johnson's campaign with bumper stickers that said "In your heart, you know he might" and "In your gut, you know he's nuts".'
can def see my nutso relatives in texas going for him
can you even imagine if he does it. the horrified anguish of librul americans is gonna make that over Dubya seem like nothing at all...
Basically it comes down to Florida, Ohio and one or two other swing states.
in my head they're essentially republicaning themselves into the sea...
But maybe McCain and Romney just weren't crazy enough for the crazies.
Won't take too kindly to being slagged off wholesale by Trump
Something tells me if the race ends up Trump v Sanders the American "centre" will gladly run to the fascist over the socialist, which is fairly worrying.
A big, typically Democrat Latino presence, then also a sizeable number of "snowbirds", people who've retired there for the weather / low taxes, who vote along traditional lines - often Rep. if they're Midwestern and Dem. if they're east coast. It's interesting how they impact the state and how it runs - Florida has terrifying stats around its schools and education and stuff, and essentially it's all because the old people refuse to pay more tax to go to schools, because none of them have kids that will attend these schools, so they don't care.
I think it was more the local level I was thinking of, crumbling infrastructure cause nae fucker's paying tax, etc etc
wealthy people living on golf club developments with private clinics etc, and everyone else living off gator meat in a dystopian swamp.
he also tops every poll going by a large majority for least liked candidate so you would think people are far more likely to turn out to vote against him. He also panders to the far right so much that it will probably kill him when he has to try and win over the people in the centre. Hes already burned his bridges with minorities and women for a start.
presidency - nah, UNLESS, there's another Hilary SCANDAL (possible) and/or fucking Bloomberg launches as an independent.
because it sounds like he doesn't want to play ball with the people in the GOP, right? I mean I presume they want someone who is one of their own. Maybe Trump is after all, but it sounded to me like he was trying to be something else.
I think he's got a good chance of winning the election if he's selected, though. The Democrat options are all looking pretty shaky for wide support.
Rubio and Cruz are fucking awful too. Whoever the Republicans pick, it'll be shit if they win.
just because there's less chance of him winning an election than either of those equally awful, but much more savvy candidates
So like, Clinton vs Cruz, Clinton. Clinton vs Trump, Trump. People are really fucking dumb.
There were people being interviewed yesterday who'd turned up to see Trump, because he's super famous and it's a big deal he's in town. So they asked the people how they'd voted in the past, and they hadn't. Ever. Chances are they won't bother this time, either.
about how a better healthcare system will never ever happen so stop going on about it. Real message of hope there.
didn't like how I saw it framed as "Clinton's Mean Scream", but that's pretty dispiriting stuff huh
*Mr Trump you can't put that money there*
*Ha, strike a hard bargain do you?*
what does that signify?
any of the Republican candiates will drop out after tonight. i.e. anyone who isn't Trump, Rubio or Cruz
Also interesting how quickly things can change once the primaries start, I think I read in 1992 that heading into the primaries Bill Clinton was in the same sort of polling position Martin O'Malley is in now. And Howard Dean went from being Democrat frontrunner to all washed up in the space of about one primary in 2004.
The bit with Lando
who would you choose?
on a Rubio v Clinton shootout, with Rubio ultimately triumphing.
The Republicans are making an almighty hash of this. In spite of Sanders' surge it still looks like Clinton's gig. All they need is a reasonably competent contender (of which Rubio SEEMS the most able) against her and it should be all plain sailing. Clinton seems too loathed and untrusted among too many people to win nationally.
Albeit to a lesser extent maybe.
I think it's too early yet to predict with much certainty what might happen, the two candidates aren't even certain yet!
Predicting politics is a mugs game. Doesn't stop us enjoying having a crack at it though.
Obama was a different beast in 2008 - he was new and fresh etc. Clinton comes with serious, serious baggage.
I said 2012. I know a lot of people despise Clinton it's true and maybe that and her past will hurt her if she's the candidate, but I was just pointing out Obama is hated by a lot of people in the US too. Of course maybe someone more crazy like Cruz or Rubio will appeal to people in a way that Romney could not.
But yeah I agree. Problem with the Republicans contemporarily is that they seem in thrall to rather nutjob candidates, who cause them issues in seemingly winnable elections. Obama was there for the taking in 2012, iirc, for the very reasons you describe.
conservative podcaster who talks about Trump almost daily, try the Matt Locke show.
I was watching Die Hard with a Vengeance (because it's on telly almost as often as Hot Fuzz) and both Hilary Clinton AND Donald Trump get namechecked. Coincidence?
This is it, the left's Thatcher/Reagan. This is definitely going to happen.
Sanders will win New Hampshire, but the following two primaries seem likely to go for Clinton as do the majority on Super Tuesday.
What's an American title? Chief? General? Sheriff?
that the ridiculously convoluted and drawn out process for electing a president is basically the way it is to provide the most entertaining TV and media coverage possible? First of all there's the primaries and Super Tuesday and all that nonsense, then for the actual election you have the hopelessly undemocratic electoral college system, which turns the election night into one big reality TV show. Obviously a lot of it is to do with keeping the cosy two party system intact, but surely a lot of it is influenced by media, the same way it is with American sports?
I guess I mean why there isn't more impetus to change it, given how much of a circus it has become in the last 40 years or so
to change our terrible electoral system.
Rubio seems like only alternative even though he hasn't one anything but is competing for moderate republicans. Though trump will be very hard beat either way.
the idea that Rubio is a "moderate", or represents mainstream/establishment Republican views, is almost as crazy as the ideas Trump comes out with - and possibly even scarier.
though I'm more worried that Rubio is seen as at all a viable candidate. Everything about him screams Awkward As Fuck and totally out of his depth. Silver lining is that he would maybe be less aggressively assholish in his policies than Trump.
will be interesting to see how Jeb dropping out affects the race. Generally South Carolina is a pretty good barometer for who the likely nominee is.
》 will actively seek to reverse equal marriage (rather than just passively whinge about it like most republicans)
》 opposes abortion even in cases of incest and rape
》 probably the most neocon defence policy of all the candidates; opposed the anti-torture bill, wants to send terrorist suspects (even ones arrested in the US) on a "one-way trip to Guantanamo", and has been comparing Iran to ISIS. Has been eagerly recruiting from GWB's advisors.
》 most regressive tax policy of anyone except maybe Cruz; wants to reduce tax revenue by 1/4 by slashing rates for the top 1% (who will get 1/3 of the savings), but hasn't really said where the savings will be made. Given he also wants to massively increase defence spending, that's going to have to be some brutal cutting.
》 openly in favour of more NSA surveillance of US citizens (opposed the Freedom Act, and has attacked Cruz for *not* opposing it)
》 has talked about full deregulation of Wall Street
I know a lot of that is standard right-wing ideology, but he would have been campaigning well to the right of most presidents or candidates I can remember and there's significant stuff there that goes further than even Trump or Cruz. Ultimately, I'd still prefer him to the other two if only because he seems to be pragmatic enough to not wantonly start a nuclear war (unlike true-believer Cruz, or genuinely-unpredictable-nutjob Trump).
They surely can't do.
Why are people on here pretending Trump isn't the best thing to happen in American politics in recent memory?
Hope he does a nuclear strike on Iran, just for the bants like yeah!
Was just thinking about the whole GOP madness and am now convinced that Rubio will win the nomination. Reasoning being basically that the massive majority of people who voted for Bush, Kasich and Carson as they drop out of the race will not touch Trump. They'll lean towards Rubio and Cruz, and mainly Rubio, because he's closer to that central Rep vision. So Rubio will clean up by picking up all the extra votes.
He reminds me of Blair tho. A fraudulent fucking little weird self-absorbed puppet.
Though by the time Kasich and Carson drop out, might be too late. Those two idiots plus Bush have stuck around needlessly for way too long.
pretty much, though if Jeb has dropped out, it seems likely that they might too. Maybe after Nevada. If they stay through Super Tuesday, it could very likely be Trump for the GOP nominee.
What's going on there?
They can be a bit nuts.
"The top 10 liberal states are primarily located in the outer longitudes of the U.S.: touching or close to the Atlantic Ocean (Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey and Maryland), and the Far West (Oregon, California, Washington and Hawaii)."
than of their population in general?
Not sure if that works but it's what I'd expect.
if I'm honest
a UK constituency being more likely to be split between Labour and UKIP than Labour/Lib Dem(or Tory)
The idea is that Trump is socially liberal compared to true conservatives.
How likely is it that he will receive the nomination now?
And is looking in great shape for super tuesday. It's happening
how many 'normal' republicans would be willing to vote for a) a clinton and b) a woman, to stop their country being run by a certified racist idiot?
And we will need closer ties with the US for trade after leaving the European Union
It's gonna be a right mess
And I don't think we'll leave the EU anyway.
A truly dis esque phrase
(possibly even still is?).
At present, Clinton and Sanders both beat Trump comfortably in head-to-head polling (5-10 point leads) but who knows anything these days...
than shy Republicans.
Has pretty much ensured the Republicans keep control of Congress
Is it possible that Trump wins all the delegates he needs to win the nomination but then the GOP at the convention point blank doesn't choose him? (Isn't this what happens in the West Wing at some point, there's a candidate chosen from the floor on the spot or something?)
I mean, it would undermine the entire process and make the GOP look worse than ever, but at the same time, they're going to hate backing Trump into a race he's still considered likely to lose (though I guess there's plenty of time for that to change).
Would be unprecedented and would pretty much destroy the GOP as we know it.
after both parties adopted more transparent procedures following the nomination of Humphrey in 1968 under similar circumstances.
"more transparent procedures following the nomination of Humphrey in 1968", word for word.
Seems like certain bits of the US media have enjoyed making viewers all angry for years and now are confused that they're voting angrily, just like when [movie reference]
if Trump wins
Endorsements from Republican governors emerge, led by Chris Christie, as the party establishment threatens to split on how to respond to their new overlord.
in you guys's opinions?
But they would all be impeachable.
As funny as it was and as scary the whole War Crime bit was, can still see so many Americans thinking "well if killing people in a country far away keeps us safe then he has my vote and I don't care if they're innocent"
A fucking trumpet of a man.
would seem a better, saner, more humane option
it's looking increasingly like Clinton vs Trump!
and predictably, this happened https://twitter.com/MicahSingleton/status/704872345735925760
Trump says punish women for illegal abortions, then back-tracks http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35931103