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Fucking hell, awful :(
poor bloke, poor family :(
he always came across as one of the genuine good guys who got into politics and stayed there for all the right reasons. he never could seem to shake his demons off.
Really did not seem a well man in his recent TV appearances, so hope it was a peaceful end and that he at least got to spend some decent time with his family post-election.
An immensely warm and gifted politician. Proved that sticking to positions of principle and increases in vote share/parliamentary appeal aren't mutually exclusive when done right. I voted for the Lib Dems under his helm twice.
Seemed like such a bright, decent, lovely man. Alcohol addiction is just... the worst. RIP :(
I met him about 10 years ago and bearing in mind he was talking to a teenager he was incredibly sincere and unpatronising. Always felt sorry for him the way his career as leader ended. Such a young age to die, his poor family.
very sad news, always liked charles kennedy.
to the night of long sgian dubhs.
Just thoroughly shite news, very sad.
I thought that the "night of long sgian dubhs" was a dubious, unnecessary, and somewhat uncharacteristic sign-off. Nevertheless, I echo what umlaut_ampersand said upthread. And I said before the election that I hoped that, in the event of him losing his seat, he would be able to take more time to look after himself. As it happens, not being an MP any more possibly ended up being a case of a crutch being taken away. Very sad, and so sad that he leaves a young kid behind amongst his wider family.
I'm not sure 'just a joke' is all that needs to be said about it, but there are other times and places to get into that. I've clearly stated my positives, and to dwell on or be distracted by comments he made on the way out, to the detriment of those positives, would be to do him a big disservice.
but maybe not today, it's off timing.
Hmmm. Seems to be a tradition that this 'not now' subthread inadvertently happens in every RIP thread now. I made a guarded and qualified comment in amongst a broad swathe of positives and warm wishes.
So there's no need to pile in with 'not now' thing when I've already been at pains to acknowledge the 'not now' factor and move on from it. Twice.
I'm drawing the line here for the third time, and I hope that's the end of it.
As if it isn't a disease that can effect anyone. But I suppose that's cheap tv/satire and a stand up on a crap panel show was always bound to reach for the low hanging fruit.
Really sad about this, I don't agree with Liberalism but he seemed thoroughly decent and pretty coherent. One of the good ones. :(
We don't know what he's died of yet, but all anyone is talking about is his alcoholism.
Must have been heartbreaking for him watching Clegg tear his life's work into pieces.
Would never vote Lib Dem, but he always had my respect for the principled and calm stance he took over Iraq war and he was very much proved right. Always seemed a very decent chap.
All the love in the world to his family
about a man who has known alcohol problems and who has died young.
Kinda like when Peaches Geldof died.
Maybe he wasn't in a good position to lead a party. But Mock the Week, HIGNFY, et al would make fun of his addiction. The man had an illness, I just found how hard the media was on him unpleasant.
'Alcoholism is a disease.... but it's the only disease you can get yelled at for having'
would and will consistently make the same broad assumptions about Scotland generally because it's 2015 and we live in a majority Tory government and that's what passes as humour apparently
is that, at times, it can be a genuinely interesting, challenging and thought provoking show, and then other times it's like "lol people from the north are fat lol"
can we let it get to 50 then die please
and although part of me would like to think that as a society we'd be less tolerant of that kind of thing 9 or 10 years on, the odds are we'd probably largely let it slide and there'd be a whole load of more vicious commentary alongside it.
At 55 and with some health issues, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he had an MI or stroke or clot or something like that. Whichmay not have been helped byu his lifestyle. there are lots of potential causes of death, people will speculate until more is said because they just will.
I got really snippy when people jumped to the conclusion that peach's death had been drugs related and guess what....
I of course mean his illness too- the two being pretty intertwined.
2. His illness with regards to addiction will definitely have an effect on his health, but it's pretty depressing that his death of causes unyet determined is immediately viewed through the prism of his mental health. Sad stuff for this commentator
But even beyond the alcohol, he was hardly renowned as someone who took care of his health. Alcohol will have played its part, but I think it'll end up being a lot of stuff catching up with his body.
Sad news though. Just a shame his life ended at such a low point in his career. Was hoping he would move to the Scottish Parliament and become Lib Dem leader there.
he'd find a place in the Scottish parliament, even perhaps as a list candidate.
As you say, so sad to have happened when he was at the bottom of a curve :(
doing a bit better too btw.
Also, as an aside, Alistair Campbell's blog is surprisingly touching today.
in 2010 he was announced as a guest and got a properly celebratory, roof-raising welcome from the manchester audience.
.. and one time he said the album he'd 'save from a fire' was Bowie's Station To Station.
quite a touching piece from alastair campbell
Striking that no-one has a bad word to say about him.
make fewer enemies?
when I met Charles Kennedy he was in a suit, very relaxed, chatted to everyone freely but obviously was there to talk politics mainly and I found him really honest and engaging.
when we had a talk from Lembit Opik on the other hand, he came out on stage in 'casual dress', holding a suit carrier and told us he wasn't like all the other politicians, he didn't want to wear a suit as to not patronise us. in the process being the most patronising prick I've ever encountered.
So yeah, again, Charles Kennedy was definitely one of the good ones.
And maybe I'm being cynical and Salmond knew Kennedy was more of a scottish nationalist behind closed doors than his party let him reveal. But even if that's true I don't think he really needed to bring up the independence debate now?
says a lot about him that someone's died and he can't respond to it without bringing up his own failed referendum though
he was probably asked
Bit of a weird question if so though and one that given the circumstances may have been better to dodge.
but yeah, fair point
I don't know, the rest of his statement was "he's was a great person and politician" feel like he's being Wza'd here which has some poetic justice at least I guess
File under `not really the time or place, really` rather than `seething dickheadery`.
"First and for the record I have made no claim whatsoever that Charles Kennedy was either a Yes or an SNP supporter. He was not. He was a committed federalist all of his political career.
"In all of the many interviews I have conducted today I have been generous about his political contribution particularly on Iraq but also the role he could have played in the upcoming European campaign. That was not difficult. I liked Charles a great deal and he was quite the most generous politician I have ever met.
"Finally I only mentioned the Better Together campaign at all because I was asked a direct question about it. As early as the beginning of last year Charles was one of the first unionist politicians to realise that the result would be close and said publicly that he felt that the actions of the No campaign were contributing to this.
"Having put the record straight I have no intention of commenting further. Except to say this. It would be really good to concentrate political comment on the role this fine man played on Iraq, on his massive achievement as leader in 2005 of securing the best Liberal result for almost a century and the key contribution he might have played on Europe but for his tragic and untimely death."
As usual with these things on twitter etc., think a fair few people need to chill out a bit.
or anything substantially more than an echo chamber for pricks with internet access.
But also http://wingsoverscotland.com/quick-fact-check/ and the Susan Calman nonsense, too.
The cybernat thing has been fostered and ceaselessly promoted by the press, but the nasty dicks on the other side(s), who are every bit as prevalent (cf BritNatAbuseBot retweets, #snpout, Duncan Hothershall, etc), are basically given a free pass in comparison.
Ruth Davidson is seeing fit to promote a truly filthy Mail article about Kennedy being 'hounded to death by cybernats'. Not gonna dignify any of it by posting links - it's easily found if you feel the need to factcheck. And here endeth any shred of sympathy for the 'decent politician but not my politics' thing that often gets wheeled out in her favour. She's a mendacious disgrace.
But it was by guy adams, not rd? and it was scarily well documented that he was bullied and intimidated during the campaign, and his home was vandalised by alleged snp supportrs, all at time when he was having to deal with the death of his father and imminent loss of his career, so what you describe sounds like fair comment to me. Not all Nats are people like us, you need to be able to deal with that fact, and the fact that some of the party are an ugly and unruly disgrace.
Er, I said "promote", not write.
"scarily well documented that he was bullied and intimidated during the campaign, and his home was vandalised by alleged snp supportrs" Sounds like serious stuff. Got any decent links? I haven't seen, or even heard of, those stories and a couple of searches aren't throwing anything up.
Or is this the bullying and intimidation that was tweeted about on election day? By Ruth. Which turned out to be nothing more than her crying wolf about absolutely nothing. Again.
This isn't about whether there are knobhead nats. There are. The couple who wafted some cardboard in Jim Murphy's face and sprouted off in St Enoch Square, for instance. Who were given short shrift and expelled/suspended. They were also given blanket media coverage. The dregs and scum on the other sides (as touched on upthread) invariably just get swept under the carpet.
Kennedy wasn't killed by SNP supporters. Is as simple as that. To suggest that he was in any way is a malicious folly.
But if you're standing shoulder to shoulder with RD, and support the scenario as presented by the Mail article then, so be it. http://is.gd/becaca
On the other hand, here is some rather more gallant Tory input on recent happenings in Kennedy's seat, and the calibre of his successor. http://is.gd/itikey
“I really want to congratulate the honourable member for Argyll and Bute for his superb maiden speech. It was the ideal maiden speech; it contained everything that a good maiden speech should have."
"It was very serious-minded, enormously respectful of the House of Commons, generous to his predecessor, against whom I imagine he had fought quite a good campaign to have won so successfully."
that you're using a thread about the death of Charles Kennedy to harp on about Scottish nationalism.
get a grip
On the other hand, japes' reply adequately set the record straight and you didn't need to add to it. And you also don't seem to know what constituency the man whose death this thread is about represented in parliament so perhaps a wise course of action might be to just let it lie? You could start another thread about people spreading disinformation about the SNP rather than using this one.
And opposition to the Iraq War was probably one of the factors that helped to ignite my interest in politics as a teenager. Definitely one of the good guys and seemed a remarkably well rounded, decent human being.
The successful ones with our condition carry the positive message for greater understanding to everyone else. Then they die.