Your are viewing a read-only archive of the old DiS boards. Please hit the Community button above to engage with the DiS !
or did one dickhead 'MRA' write a pissy blog post which has been blown out of proportion, as these thing seem to always be these days?
was on return of the kings which seems to be largely clickbait.
I'd delete him but perversely enjoy reading his howls at the moon. Brilliantly, the thing that tipped him over the edge was that space exploration bloke who wore a dodgy shirt and cried when he had to apologise for it. This was apparently TOO FAR and making a man cry was THE LAST STRAW. Might repost some of it at some point. Honestly didn't think the whole MRA thing properly existed until he flipped.
I worked with a guy who was very strongly involved in MRA. An awful, tedious man who ended being forced to resign.
No, by the IT manager if I remember correctly :O
because he seemed a nice enough bloke who stumbled into a worldwide controversy through his own cluelessness. Didn't feel at all angry though.
as "sexy, but not easy" in v creepy ways. he was a mega creep.
just saw a picture of him in a stupid shirt and then a clip of him crying. Know virtually nothing about him but always feel a bit sorry for people who suddenly find their lives under intense scrutiny.
Bit of a shut-in wears a silly t-shirt, is informed it's silly, is genuinely contrite about it, apology accepted. Feel good story of the summer for anyone who doesn't browse 4chan.
see it at the cinema, well worth it
and what is mra? magnetic resonance angiogram?
you by a man, than it would be by a woman, because obeying a mans bark (rather than following their reason) suggests that you are a 'man in a lesser position'. If you follow a womans bark, then that is something that you as a man, (a lover, or a son) should listen too, because a mother or potential mother does have something that a man does not, and this pov is one that the man should HAVE to consider, he cannot dismiss it as much as he can another mans.
Sorry that sounds awfully macho......but im trying to phrase this in 'iron john' speak to try to affect the men who are susceptable to this.
Do you think I should sign up and post on there? or do you think it will put me on lists of 'undesirables' ?
talk about it? I mean its isn't really anything at all really is it?
I mean there are always idiotic irrelevances, that 'trend' it serves as a vehicle upon which to 'serve' your inner meaness to the www in a way that makes 'the pass'
Srsly though why are these babies (although I shouldnt say that as babies can be awesome.....i just mean the bad ideas that are covered by that term) boycotting mad max? I thought it would have been right up their street
when actually women are weak and shit, or something, idk
The plot basically (SPOILERS I GUESS?) sees a strong woman (Theron) make an autonomous decision to rescue a harem of wives/prisoners from an evil warlord (in which she is ultimately assisted by Max) and the film is about the success of their escape, with the help of an all-female biker gang. There's also lots of SYMBOLISM about the women collecting seeds to plant new life in the wasteland, while men plant "anti-seeds" (bullets) that cause life not death etc. At one point Max literally washes blood off him with a bucket of breast milk. No sensible human could possibly find it controversial or offensive, MRAs are angry that Max isn't the all conquering hero of alpha male fantasies with women secondary to him being.
I mean....you look at Ripley in Alien/s and just as you are saying to yourself 'hang on isnt it a bit unrealistic? havnt they just put a woman in there and made her an artificial unfeasibly actiony woman.......and then you stop yourself, because it makes you realise how ridiculous and over the top and unfeasible the bruce willis, stallone schwarzenegger bond characters are in film, and so there is nothing more 'unrealistic about substituting a male lead with a female one' (not even countng that ripley is actually superior in her portrayal than most actioners)
I like it when you have Sarah Conner beating the loony bin bastards, because I know that women and mothers CAN be extreme if they have to.
The concept of 'you throw like a girl' or ' you run like a girl'
.......many sports do not totally dispell this....but then look at gymnastics.....there is no less bravery or determination in the womens discipline than in the mens......not a jot of difference......in fact I would suggest that the horizontal beam is the MOST ferocious aparatus......look at the bandages and the strapping and scars on the girls legs and look at the risks that they can take almost fearlessly, and then you would feel ashamed of ever using the idea of 'you throw like a girl' ....not because it is mysogynist, but because humans are humans, and it is individuals who can have indomitable spirits and utter bravery and determination, not one sex or another....it is just as wrong to ascribe that men cannot be as caring as women (it may be a general observation that in reality this may be the manifestation....but it is not true to apply to individuals)
Why is it so good?
but it was a bit monotone and dull? (imo?)
this is even leaner, fucks about even less, is stupidly visual/fun/inventive, and just does not. let. the. fuck. up. from start to finish.
I mean it's only so perfect as far as what a great action film can be - it won't change your life or anything - but it's just so good at doing what it does.
Maybe I'll go see it, I think even the most perfectly put together action films still leave me a bit cold for the most part.
that'll appeal to people who don't like action films. It's a pure action film that doesn't faff around with (much) plot or set up.
there's no fucking around with a ton of waffly awful exposition, you're just dropped into the world and whisked off at pace. to rip off film crit hulk, "more plot" does not necessarily equal "better plot". it's one of the aspects that I think is *least* like a conventional action film?
so it turns out I have lots of opinions about mad max i guess
(like expendables or stuff like that) but I really enjoyed Mad Max. Did think at first it was a little like coming in a third of the way through it was basically just action scenes but I really enjoyed it and keep thinking about all the world building and imagery. Very impressive.
smacks of "it's an action film, you need to turn your brain off" - i.e. Bay's transformers movies etc. It's very much not a case of that. If you realllly hate action films obvi don't see it, but there's great character stuff and interesting shit going on in it for sure.
it just ticks a box of about everything a good action flick should be, and p much avoids most of the shit stuff you'd expect in them too (which seems to be what the MRAs are upset about)
you are an idiot
"I mean it's only so perfect as far as what a great action film can be - it won't change your life or anything - but it's just so good at doing what it does."
Don't cry, Fidel :-D
I've seen some people who don't like action films go see it and be disappointed. tbh the reviews were so jizztacular I can see why they did it. Just trying to be helpful, you bitey wee scamp
It's just the pinnacle of crazy, stunt-driven action films right, up there with The Raid.
Some of the dialogue is shocking, but no one said it was perfect.
fucking top class
Since the original article was on Return of Kings, which is technically not a Men's Rights site - I guess its for Pick Up Artists? (there is apparently a difference, although its an arbitrary distinction, since RoK is mostly about how women are terrible and how feminists are ruining everything, which is basically all MRA's talk about anyway) - but then A Voice For Men, which is apparently the leading MRA site has already produced some awful memes (as is their wont) like this one:https://manboobz.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/madmaxavfm.jpg?w=604
So yeah, its pretty ridiculous.
1. Men and women are genetically different, both physically and mentally. Sex roles evolved in all mammals. Humans are not exempt.
2. Men will opt out of monogamy and reproduction if there are no incentives to engage in them.
3. Past traditions and rituals that evolved alongside humanity served a net benefit to the family unit.
4. Testosterone is the biological cause for masculinity. Environmental changes that reduce the hormone’s concentration in men will cause them to be weaker and more feminine.
5. A woman’s value significantly depends on her fertility and beauty. A man’s value significantly depends on his resources, intellect, and character.
6. Elimination of traditional sex roles and the promotion of unlimited mating choice in women unleashes their promiscuity and other negative behaviors that block family formation.
7. Socialism, feminism, cultural Marxism, and social justice warriorism aim to destroy the family unit, decrease the fertility rate, and impoverish the state through large welfare entitlements.
that's done me :D
HAWKSTONE: My son, some day I will not be here to protect your mother and my two daughters.
HAWKMILL, SON OF HAWKSTONE: (nods)
HAWKSTONE: Yes. There are many ways a man can be slain in the cruel cobblestones of Crewe -- perhaps I shall be decapitated by a rival, or maybe I'll slip on a wet toilet floor and chin a urinal into the great Valhallan beyond
HAWKMILL, SON OF HAWKSTONE: Should it happen, you know I would avenge you.
HAWKSTONE: Yes, son. You are a good future patriarch to our clan. As hunter-gatherer, there are lessons still for you to learn. Lessons you are old enough to learn.
HAWKMILL, SON OF HAWKSTONE: I would be honoured to provide for our clan.
HAWKSTONE: Good. Basically what you must know is that the supermarket-brand baked beans are often better value than your bigger, more well-known brands.
HAWKMILL, SON OF HAWKSTONE: When I have children of my own, I shall advise them in this way.
HAWKSTONE: That is good. I have more to tell you about how the hunter-gatherer can accumulate Nectar points -- but you must be weary from this training.
DONE. I'm done here. M-B you genius.
More about, as with that Chuka Umanna blog the other day, and I guess with everything ever (Katie Hopkins, Sachs-gate, etc.) that there's so much more noise around people decrying this shit and whipping themselves into a frenzy about it than actual noise in the first place. There will ALWAYS be dickheads, just seems best to ignore them if it's a small group of whingey men on the internet.
my concern would be, as people have mentioned upthread, is that some of these views are actually being adopted by people they know and I wonder if that's partly because people are primarily focused ignoring them or mocking with them rather than engaging with them in a constructive fashion.
I can't help but think about the last couple months being a relatively good example of how fringe group have steadily gained wider acceptance due to feeling as if they're being marginalized.
I feel there's always a critical piece missing from these worries, which is the one that shows that it's the mockery that leads to the increase in size. it's never there.
MRAs come and barf their horrendous shit into blog comments, newspaper comments, people's twitter feed. Do they deserve to be taken seriously and constructively?
Gamergate does the same - in fact, GG's entrie *model* for it's activism relies on demanding to be engaged with in a civil manner while driving back to the same hate and lies.
I'm less than convinced that engaging politely and earnestly with these groups will help them. If anything, that would seem to be their goal. If women or other "SJWs" spent as much time online explaining themselves as GGers demanded, they would not have time to do anything else.
It seems just as likely that taking these people seriously and giving them platforms / legitimacy is doing more damage.
lines of UKIP winning the European elections, perhaps it's not really going to change much in the wider scheme of things but it did point to a group gaining wider acceptance because they believed no one was listening to them.
The fact that we're even talking about this, or that pick-up artists have been actively been banned from entering the country to give talks, or that other figures from the manosphere have been invited onto popular talk shows or that at this moment in time suggests to me that it is a growing issue. Not only that but if we actually look beyond the individual group and what's actually leading to people to join them I think it points towards a disaffection that perhaps does need addressing.
or because of the massively disproportionate coverage they gained in an often sympathetic media?
idk, I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily, but it's just trotted out as an obvious truth so often and I'd love to see something more solid.
As to the latter paragraph i'd almost say with the rise of Online there's more scope and voice to be had for diaffected teenagers / babymen is a large part of it, but again, maybe difficult to get to any solid information on this, I guess
I think one of the problems is that so many of these responses are looking at calling out people for being childish/immature/neckbeards etc.
I suppose my point is more about occasionally addressing what get's people to turn to those particular sites to foster a sense of community and how I can't really see ignoring/mocking people with those points of view as being a constructive answer to that question.
that showering these berks in negative attention is pretty counter-productive as well. Stupid DiS advert notwithstanding, the first I noticed of Mad Max was the mocking response to the furious MRA response (rather than the other way around).
There are many murky parts of the internet (see: that 'Was Karl Marx black thread' for details), can't help but feel that the ignoring:mocking ratio could do with a look.
I feel quite spiky about this because GG really *needed* negative attention - they were getting companies like Intel to pull sponsorship of gaming sites that published articles relating to gender on games, swatting people, etc - so crucial to raise awareness of the fact that they were a bunch of poisonous bellends.
Whether MRA dickheads need the same, idk. If they're successfully lobbying or having practical effect, I still feel like sunlight is the best cure. Not feeding the trolls so often equates to silencing the people under attack. *shrug*
that means I only ever really notice this MRA stuff from the response to it, and almost never from the stuff itself (even facebook MRA man seems to be at two months behind when he unleashes a mega-rant), so from my perspective it seems disproportionate when it probably isn't. Hmmm.
*reflects, learns, grows*
if it wasn't for everyone kicking off about it (c.f. Sachsgate).
it's still pretty funny tho
I'm not sure I buy that there are right-on types just sitting watching the MRA sites and then just hitting the big alarm with "WE GOT ONE!" as soon as something slightly crazy appears.
there's a bit of a whiff of that tabloid outrage. You know the kind of thing, Look At Rihanna's Disgusting Inappropriate Pervy X-Factor Performance (more pics, pages 7-22).
just doing a whole nuanced overthink rather than work cheers
except said 'disgusting inappropriate pervy' performance was on X-Factor and watched by 9 million or else it was in a massively popular magazine.
Whereas the question of how we get wound up by MRA nonsense seemed to be coming from a position of "no one heard of it until you right-on types made a fuss" because, fair enough, they tend to post it on websites or bits of reddit that no one goes near.
The only way, therefore, we see this coming through is if right on types are combing these MRA nuthouses for things to be professionally upset about (sure....) or else they've actually got a bit more media pull than we are presuming.
for me it's just showing:
"Mr As, The 'Man"
instigated that page titling weirdness and what it was meant to achieve.
"Calm down, dear"
Isn't it just a spoof of the stereotypes of looney feminists to show how illogical their arguments are?
Yeah, very real. Hard to estimate how many have bought into it as a complete philosophy of life and how many are just teenage boys who haven't had sex yet and need someone to blame.
I mean a lot of what makes an MRA is really just the same shit teenage boys used to to chat to each other about why said girl didn't show any interest in them, but magnified by the awesome power of the internet.