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jay's a bit weird, admittedly.
thingy is a fucking nutter right enough
A woman in my work has just started supplementing her cigarette intake with them, using them in restaurants and stuff without cutting down on normal smoking.
that they were helping people to cut down. a study out today suggests that, if anything, people are getting MORE hooked on nicotine than before and will be less likely to quit smoking cigarettes altogether for as long as they use them. I cut down my smoking by using a vape thing, but I'd forget to charge it , or chuck it in my bag carelessly and it would leak, and I'd end up having to buy fags on a night out anyway. I just decided to stop smoking and vaping altogether when I quit and it was much easier to be all or nothing cold turkey (for me- I know everybody has their own psychology about what works for them.)
Re your colleague, it's not long before vaping will be caught by the smoking legislation, and many shops and restaurants, trains, stations etc already enforce their own rules which prohibit their use indoors.
for about 10 years.
He has always said they aren't about giving up smoking, rather there has to be an acceptance that not everyone CAN give up and that e-cigarettes represent a safe way to indulge your acceptance of nicotine addiction.
and I don't think that nicotine in itself is dreadfully harmful- it's addictive but unless you Od on it it shouldn't kill you. it's the baddies in the fags that can kill you.
I have a couple of issues with the vape things-
1. very few studies have been carried out as to their safety
2. the sale of the nicotine vials isn't particularly well regulated- Christ knows what you could be filling up your device with
3. I fucking love nicotine but I don't like the hold it had over me psychologically. I hate that my mood, my anxiety was so affected by something like that. I also hate how I built my daily goals around it- it was a thing I looked forward to, it gave significance to lots of ordinary things and I wanted to go back to being able to enjoy ordinary things without this crutch. I don't know if I've explained this very well. I guess I desperately wanted to be a non-smoker in every sense, and to be free of the clutch of nicotine, and didn't feel I could whilst still vaping.
It definitely does seem much harder for some people than others to give up and I don't disbelieve you when you suggest that for some people it just might be an impossibility.
but he believes it and he's the smoker who's tried to give up, etc.
And yes, who knows what health issues might be coming round the corner. He maintains, however, that the cigarette companies are against them because they somehow attack their profits. I assumed the nicotine in e-cigs all came from them via tobacco farms but he implied that's not how it works.
Assuming that's true it would mean there's a LOT of lobbying money out there to try to quash e-cigs. It's not doing very well, if so...
Is that I'm not assuming that e-cigs are safe. Rather I know that real fags aren't, and that it's unlikely that e-cigs are worse.
An argument is made that the main components of the liquid are safe for human consumption. I'd say it's not proven that they're safe for inhalation. Also the process involves making a device made out of metal and plastic hot and then inhaling the fumes, so I'm far from convinced I'm not inhaling anything toxic there.
I'm all in favour of the manufacturing being a hell of a lot better regulated. I'm also all in favour of the health researchers getting onto the studies as fast as possible. Guess that will come, but it would be nice if that came before a load of knee-jerk legislation.
I reckon it's highly possible I'm taking in more nicotine than I did as a smoker.
As for the issue of being caught by the smoking legislation, the rather delightful spanner in the works there is that you can legislate all you like, the problem is that you can't catch us. There are no detectors for them (since as I understand it they basically emit water vapour). I've been using mine in the office bogs for three months; you can use them in plane bogs. In fact if you're careful and discreet you can use them in public without giving off any particularly visible vapour.
So the health fascists have a tough fight on their hands.
I used to take mine into the bogs of the train too! you'll never be able to flush out (see what I did there) the bog vapers, but I think it will be enforceable in terms of if you're seen doing it, you're fined.
The first time you took it into the train bog and had a little cheeky draw... for a few seconds you felt like a master criminal, no? I know I did. :-)
it is rather like substituting coffee for a tastless and odourless drink which contains just as much caffeine. It might wean people off coffee or work as a substitute, but it is essentially pointless, and coffee still exists.
I have always been dubious about being able to wean yourself off an addiction, you don't get alcoholics try and have a glass of brandy a day less until they are drink-free.
in that caffeine is both the main reason for drinking coffee and the main "harm". That's not true of fags where the nicotine is the reason, but the harms fill a list as long as your arm.
I agree to an extent- if you're an alcoholic whose pattern of behaviour and thinking means that only complete abstinence will work, then yes, it should be that, as opposed to 'oh I'll just have the 3/4 of a bottle of vodka instead of the full bottle'.
however, a lot of people who might well be described as alcoholics can benefit greatly from cutting down on their booze- complete abstinence isn't the answer in every case, and even if it is, sometimes stop[ping dead isn't an option (in fact it's advised against as it can be fatal- allegedly had a part to play in amy winehouse's death.)
#denial #denial #denial
I got one, because I need to give up the fags. Against all my expectations it's actually worked, so there's no way I'd do both, and I don't really understand people who do.
That said I guess there's different levels of addiction. I just always assumed I was at the far end of the no self-control spectrum.
ripping on them seems to be a big thing for Lefty Twitter, glad to have you on board pal
look like goths or meatloaf fans.
That should really be and/or as I suspect the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Even some of those space age ones.
You're threads are getting sillier.
they're only trying to better themselves
about us looking like we're playing tiny clarinets?
They were spot on. I feel very self conscious with my clarinet out in public. In short, OP is right: we're all weird.
and most astute observations I've seen in a long time :;'D
Based on walking behind someone who emitted a waft of vapour whilst I was downwind from them. It felt like they'd flobbed in my face. Still gives me the shivvers thinking about it. A kajillion times worse than if they'd just blown fag smoke into my chops.
Stop fucking about with yer precious lungs, the lot of yers.
As ever THE E-CIG GANG are out in the office courtyard or whatever, vaping their e-cigs and chatting about things
SPANKY McCALLISTER: ... so I said to him, this is no place for cattle!
ERIK POLTERGEIST: Bants,
ELAINE SEINMEISTER: The behaviour of a legend
RAYMOND CHANDLER: Could you BE any more of the leader in our group
(into the office courtyward or whatever enters another character, HANK 'ARCHERY' WORKMANSHIP; who is on his own and pulls out a lighter)
ELAINE SEINMEISTER: Who's that guy? I haven't seen him ever before in my life
RAYMOND CHANDLER: Could he BE any more of an irregular character in the collective life of our clique
ERIK POLTERGEIST: What's that he's up to
(they notice that HANK 'ARCHERY' WORKMANSHIP is using the lighter to set the end of his e-cig on fire and he is smoking the e-cig)
SPANKY McCALLISTER: What a strange guy doe
(they watch HANK 'ARCHERY' WORKMANSHIP as he coughs and convulses in noticeable discomfort on the fumes of the burning molten plastic of his e-cig)
RAYMOND CHANDLER: Re: what you just sayered Spanky, could you BE any more correct in your assumption
(HANK falls to the floor surrounded now by thick black fumes from the burning plastic of his e-cig, with molten lumps drooping and slopping down the floor of the office catyourkered or whatever)
ELAINE SEINMEISTER: Yep, people who smoke e-cigarettes sure are weird
ERIK POLTERGEIST: You probably would still have intimate relations with them given the opportunity!
ELAINE SEINMEISTER: You are lucky I am one of the lads in this context else I wouldn't half swear vengeance upon you
RAYMOND CHANDLER: Could this BE any more of a tense uncomfortable situation between friends
SPANKY McCALLISTER: Why do I still vape here, I got fired months ago