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It's very good.
in the right hands, it is a very powerful tool/ therapy.
Bunch of backstabbers
like all that stuff, I'm sure we all know a couple of people who had a problem that cleared up after they had the treatment and thus have become bright-eyed advocates of it, even though it's obviously bonkers
and everyone said how boring it was?
Now imagine it wasn't Phil but had been legendary shot stopper Peter Schmeichel.
Now imagine this on the back of the Sun - "Man Dane, Mundane".
but he'd lost it if I recall
and they were having a go at mumbo jumbo alternative therapies etc, when after a long rant, they suddenly went "Oh, except for acupuncture, that stuff is amazing". I was too shocked to point out the inconsistency.
When my dad had chronic neck problems and was willing to try anything out of desperation, he tried acupuncture. I asked him how he found it afterwards, slightly worried he would have had a miraculous experience, but he just said it was shite.
you're a monster. you and the boat race deserve each other
All aboard the Tramadol train! Woo-woo!
I got mine on the nhs as a treatment of last resort having given up a year previously of trying to find a cure for what was wrong with me. And it fixed me within six weeks. I felt quite profoundly different after each treatment. I think it can be very hit or miss though.
they use it all the time in our local hospice- there's good evidence it helps pain relief and nausea.
Not so much.
ha acupuncture, feels less shite.
erm, regardless of whether it's placebo or coincidence, it's widely used for this because something about it makes people feel less nauseous/ in pain.
If you and others have benefited for the experience that is great.
It's prescribed on the NHS as a treatment of last resort to people deemed susceptible to placebo/alternative therapies.
If it does work, it's because the individual minute levels of pain result in the temporary production of a pain-relieving response in the body - where you place the needles doesn't matter at all and you could do exactly the same with more conventional treatment.
There's a very interesting effect where patients see a positive response even when they know they're being treated with a placebo. It's partly because they perceive that something is being done, partly because they are often paying for the treatment (in the same way that people justify buying a particular piece of tech), but also because the personal attention and care offered by a one-to-one session in itself has a positive result, when patients compare it to their perception of their treatment by conventional medicine.
It's something that is being researched - it could turn out that for some complaints the relationship built up between the patient and the professional is as important as the treatment itself, and this could suggest ways of improving the outcomes of conventional medicine.
there is no way the power of the mind could have caused my medical condition to ocverturn itself. It might be coincidence but it wasn't placebo effect. Or maybe it was, because I think I'm quite suggestible (although intersetingly am impossible to hypnotise, which makes me wonder if HYG is right re that...) Anyway, in terms of what happened, my GP thinks that the stimulation of the nerves by the needles over that period of time provoked some kind of electric or similar response which had a hormonal effect which drugs alone had failed to produce in me. It is something like this, or it is a miracle and we should call the Vatican. We'll never know, I don't particularly care as I am well again.
But you're asking us simply to take your word for it that acupuncture amounts to the kind of placebo you're describing. "Where you place the needles doesn't matter at all" etc - what's the basis for this assertion?
Evidence on the effectiveness of acupuncture is "variable and inconsistent, even for single conditions". An overview of high-quality Cochrane reviews suggested that acupuncture may alleviate certain kinds of pain. A systematic review of systematic reviews found that for reducing pain, real acupuncture was no better than sham acupuncture and concluded that there is little evidence that acupuncture is an effective treatment for reducing pain.[n 1]
you're bleating about evidential credibility whilst using wiki as your source ;)
To be honest I was thinking about trying it myself.
Don't forget, this is DiS, where sceptisicm and atheism rule, and anybody who disagrees is ridiculed. I find it pretty disgusting that a mod said 'dummies' upthread.
For your next strop about how everyone's become a wuss here and you can't say anything around here any more, fun police etc ;)
And don't the Holland and Barratt loyalty card holders make up the majority here anyhow, before we get too far into "this is DiS" persecution complex histrionics?
You're either receiving it or you're not.
not sure how this relates to the thread really pal
Happy Friday everyone.
mind it was done after my entire back had been massaged/cracked to bits
and my therapist does it. Too polite to say no, and it seems to keep him happy, so there you go.
of a 4-yr Chinese medicine & acupuncture course. She ends up with a proper Bachelor of Science from a proper university, and not some dodgy certificate from the Whalesong Wellness Institute. I was initially a bit dubious about the acupuncture side of things, but after lots of sessions and a fair bit of second-hand learning about the philosophical & physiological aspects, I'm a believer. It's hugely helped both of us with a whole lot of things.
I know some of these courses are run at some of the more minor actual unis, but aren't they only accredited by acupuncture or Chinese medicine associations? Whalesong Wellness might be a step up...
Yes, that would be the placebo effect at work. The effect is greater the more elaborate the treatment appears to be.
From one's partner pouring four years and however much money into something with the same credibility and benefit to humanity as, say, scientology, I'd imagine
Has done me.
Does it include cupping, for a username/post interface?