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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OfU7CGY5DQ it looks pretty plain
though even the first season didn't look that interesting upon first glance, so maybe...
if it comes anywhere near those heady heights, we're in for a treat!
I really should finish watching the first one. only the last episode left.
Or is he just a totally different character?
hadn't seen this thread
There are hints that they are going to keep the visual quality of the first one.
To be honest I've not feeling so cynical about the casting now. Pretty fucking excited for this.
In Bruges? nothing else springs to mind
um........ Ballykissangel ?
in which he was...fine?
and made for one of the greatest episodes of How Did This Get Made. I watched the film just so I could listen to it again.
He's going to be the best thing about this. Fact.
i get what you mean.
the first season worked because it was really unique and gripping. i'd move between characters, reflection, cults and then all out action. this seems more 'straight up'
but who knows. cant wait to actually watch it.
the first series took until the end of s1 to reveal itself as, isn't it
First series was great
Was everyone here hooked from day one of the last season as well? Personally, I seem to remember being hooked on exactly the same points:
1.) tortured detective
2.) stunning colour pallet and shots
3.) good dialogue
4.) a good amount of LA noir cliche (see point 1)
Judging this season by the last one in mind is just wrong, it is different in so many ways.
No spoilers please.
I'll probably force myself to watch it all JUST IN CASE it even approaches how good s1 was, so hope it starts well and I don't feel like I'm punishing myself for some forgotten crime.
But woo true detective!
oh yeah i forgot to link to the avclub 3 episode review that says its rubbish
got so exhausted looking at mcconaughey and harrelson's faces all the time
tim riggins is an adult now though
Vince Vaughn was the worst part (as predicted). His character's meant to be a pretentious crook spitting platitudes to make everyone think he's educated, but that's a pretty worn crime character which is a.) boring to watch if he's in it too much and b.) it's Vince fucking Vaughn being awful as hell. Although I quite like how him and his wife are almost like a parody of when True Detective characters try and say deep stuff.
Thought it was pretty bog standard at the beginning but Colin saved it, in fact all three cops are interesting, and everything about the show got pretty excellent again in the second half. Maybe because less VV?
Looking forward to next week (despite the fact an American serial was the highlight of my night will cause me a breakdown if I think about it too much).
during the opening credits i said something out loud like 'oh jesus christ. it's vince vaughn, isn't it. he'll be vince vaughn. for the whole thing. everyone else can act and it'll be okay but he'll still be vince vaughn".
it was just uncomfortable to watch him because he's vince vaughn. i agree him and his wife seem like parodies.
potential for the other three though, what with rachel mcadam's eccentric family, tim riggins' obvious mental health problems, colin farrell's alcoholism and traumatic past.
but I got a strong "James from Twin Peaks" vibe from that police guy. This isn't a good thing.
I though Vince Vaungh was not bad and will probably get better as it looks like his character is hiding a lot of secrets especially regarding the attack on Farrells wife.
*I meant Vaughn
but actually from riggins
colin farrell was great, really liked the song that the girl was playing in the bar near the end too - http://thefifthandahalfelement.tumblr.com/post/122228188554/lera-lynn-my-least-favorite-life
LA isn't very interesting
and neither are stories about corruption in LA and developers trying to develop and city officials going missing.
Colin Farrell and his son make me squirm though so thats probably good.
when the true detectives all looked at each other at the end :')
I kind of meant By boring that's it's very 'done'
This is clearly the thread.
vince vaughan still bad at acting, more and more like vince donofrio but bad
rachel mcadams looks so much like she's acting very hard
colin farrell really good but whoopsie, now he's dead
some good KING IN YELLOW shit coming up in that sex dungeon i reckon
but you're very likely right.
i'm liking the premise of this very tangled investigation with lots of different agendas going on, optimistic for that going somewhere.
it feels a bit like they're still setting things up so i'm happy to wait and see, but it does also feel like they're trying desperately hard to show that these characters are *interesting*. just seems a bit forced. not sure they need to be in such a rush to show us how fucked up these guys are, we'll figure it out eventually.
but he got shot twice, once at point blank
maybe you've seen the cast credits for the rest of the series or something, but even if farrell;s the rest of the show it could be flashbacks to when he got involved with vaughan again
of him working with the other two detectives with bandages round his stomach tho
"Next week, shocking new evidence comes to light which drives Ray to go rogue."
So, yeah, he's not dead and Sky are idiots. Be like blanks or rock salt or something.
MAYBE IT ALL AN ACT
not for me, he's dead or at least should be
with this hilarious air of authority
is this even a thing irl, or just some mad cultural myth created by kill bill?
View tut Kill
maybe they have a contact form
i'm afraid it raises a lot more questions than it answers
"Non-lethal weapon and ammunition often used by police to control crowds or riots. Spirit hunters also use them as a defense against ghosts and other supernatural spirits. The fired salt alone will not destroy the spirit, but it does act as a deterrent, forcing the spirit to dissipate briefly."
I LOVE THE INTERNET SO MUCH
this is just in the tv show "supernatural", so what you really love is insanely shit looking US tv shows that christopher alcxxk has never previously heard of
but is apparently utterly wank
Because you get a lot of pain as a result.
Big problem is Vince Vaughan is fucking terrible. Farrell was keeping it interesting but now he's dead.
"You come in here and try and muscle ME? I'm the mayor of this fucking town!"
"It's too late, Ray, me and Bobby are moving somewhere far away from here, somewhere you'll never find us." "You can't take my son away from me!" "He's not your son!"
*picking up photo in sex dungeon* "Ani, isn't that your dad?"
"Make love to me Riggins, make love to me like you used to" "Rita, I have something to tell you..."
i sort of assumed he'd have some sort of vest on or sth
he is dead and they've done *major* fake-out work in the promos
it's going to be disappointingly contrived how they bring him back
also "if I make it through, can I just go back on the bike" or whatever lolololol
PLEASE SOMEONE GIVE TAYLOR KITSCH A DECENT JOB JUST ONE PLEASE
despite it being a fairly shite film and not being in it enough.
let's have a Gambit film! he's basically everyone's favourite x-man as it is.
the geography of LA is amazingly confusing
but seriously, there's a "city" 5 miles south of the CBD of LA that's just factories and organised crime
being areas in the (actual) city called London, and they're a bit like boroughs or something? fucking stupid anyway
There's 2 good ideas in the show so far (the city itself, and a crook with ideas above his station having to mess up old dudes on the street and go back to seedy clubs etc again) whereas by the end of the second episode the first season had tons.
There was just absolutely no intrigue in that episode or anything to make me want to care about it. Hugely disappointing. Couple that with some cringeworthy acting/writing and dunno if I'll watch anymore. Probably wait for it to end and if everyone's like OMG IT GETS SO GOOD start it all again.
colin farrell was the only decent thing and he's dead
or at least should be given he was shot twice at point blank, if he's not dead that makes the show even stupider than it already is
3. Episode Three
NEW EPISODE: Scheduled: Mon 6th July @ 9:00pm on Sky Atlantic
Dan continues in his attempts to raise Jamie with or without Toby's assistance.
Part of me likes it more because it's more classically LA noir but other part of me can't take Vaughn seriously. His holding-in-a-shit acting is really spoiling it, episode one I let it slide, episode two you can just see he's rubbish.
I'm still willing to give it the benefit of the doubt though, as we know so little about the characters.
kind of annoyed that I did now.
no one - NO ONE - can survive two blasts from a shotgun, one from point blank range.
a shotgun blast that close would genuinely rip you in half.
kinda feel like they're trying to shoe-horn in too much to each episode though and as a result each bit of the story gets left feeling underdeveloped
writing it off at the getgo seems premature, but 3 episodes in and I feel like there's a lot of good moments mixed in among a lot of tedious parts. The opening scene was great, as was the mansion scene, but Taylor Kitsch's character feels completely pointless and Vince Vaughn is wildy hit or miss. On top of Kitsch feeling extraneous, every character has an equally pointless relative to further move the plot off course.
I want to feel like it may be going somewhere, but I fear that it's probably not.
Still watching it though. Not really sure why.
The fist fight :/
him. I'm convinced this season is more clever than we give it credit for:
Farrell being alive after that ending was a cheap shot though. But much like Fitzcarraldo I'm still unsure if I like it or not, visually, it's mind blowing, the short staccato seasons are very classic of the genre, as is the dialogue. I think Farrell's character is only getting more interesting, mostly because he's not a super cop like Rust was, he's just a fucked up cop who did something that many people might consider doing and it ruined him. I think they need to work more on the other three cops though.
What was with that fat cop (who just reminds me of Scully from Brooklyn 99) doing with that camera at the hooker club? There is so many little things in this season that are easy to let slide.
the idea being that all 3 cops are supposed to be reporting back to their superiors on each other?
i mean they instantly cut from him filming Beautiful Riggins to him sat with CF and the rest, looks like they wanted to make that crystal clear.
I was trying to convince myself that it wasn't that bad, that it just couldn't live up to the first season but that last episode sealed it.
The dialogue is awful, the plot is needlessly complicated and Vince Vaughn just looks terrified at the idea he's supposed to be an actor. If there were more than 3 episodes left I wouldn't bother watching the rest.
Why can't Tim Riggins be in good things?
For some reason I thought it was only a 6 episode season. Not sure if I can watch 5 more hours of it.
Taylor Kitsch and Rachel Macadams are now dating, so at least he got one nice thing out of it.
No one says that shit like that. It doesn't even fall into that king-pin-trying-to-better-himself-by-expanding-his-vocabulary cliche as he didn't say it first.
Think I let out an audible sigh loud enough for my other half to ask me I was alright. I told her I was feeling a little apoplectic.
usually a 9 or 10 man, man.
and yep, this is fucking shit
I like Vaughn in this. I think he's playing the part well (although saying that, he at least has a character to work with, with is more than can be said for Rachel McAdams).
quiet liked the third episode and vince Vaughn's alright
This is proper shit but you're gonna force yourself to watch all of it anyway `just in case`.
but it definitely needs a 'biker gang oner' type moment to kick start the season.
Not sure we'll get another action oner sequence - maybe a car or motorbike chase which will blow our socks off.
that there's already been TOO MUCH ACTION. The first one worked because nothing happened for the first 3 episodes, except intriguing development of character/brilliant air of menace and then BAM. Something fucking spectacular happened.
Mark Kermode has a good analogy for this sort of stuff – Michael Bolton’s version of Yesterday. Says that Bolton just absolutely blasts in with the booming high register on only the second line and… from there, there’s nowhere for the song to go. Nothing to build to. Same as this - just loads of fucking STUFF keeps happening, without any of the touches that made the first one so engrossing.
That said, I like a cliched seedy LA noirish type deal more than I like a cliched creepy-wooden-shit and child molestation so I'll stick with it.
I don’t know why I watch this actually, season one had nothing going on either.
season 1 irked me massively by the end, this season has been pure hatewatch for me. IDK. keep hoping they might pull something out of the bag.
Literally all true detective has going for it is high production values. Story-wise, as I'm sure someone else has already pointed out, it's more clichéd than the gritty cop thread.
The mayor's mansion with his messed up trophy wife and druggie playboy son, I mean for fuck's sake.
by pretending the son was Jean-Ralphio
Season 1 was still just a stylishly put together, cliched cop show it just had more of a sense of humour about itself at times (and wasn't lumbered with fucking Vince Vaughn). The ending was fucking shite as well.
If this season manages to tie together it's way-too-dense procedural bullshit into something satisfying it'll have done a better job than season 1 imo.
Some muffled trombone and Kelly Reilly channelling every femme fatale ever will not make this Build My Gallows High.
It's obviously taking it's cues from sleazy pulpy golden-era noir though just without the same glaringly-obvious aesthetic conventions
We're sooooooo noir!
That more takes from the 'hardboiled' side of things anyway(which doesn't essentially mean it's noir). It's the overall James Ellroy feel, the Dashiell Hammett influences on the dialogue that I'm talking about.
"generally understood to refer to a story steeped in emotional (and often also literal) darkness. There is a feeling of dread and doom that suffuses the action; the story typically features a protagonist who's in trouble, who often doesn't deserve the trouble he's in (even if he's a bad guy, he often doesn't deserve the *particular* trouble he's in), and whose trouble just gets worse as the narrative grinds inexorably toward an unhappy -- often tragic -- ending."
Just because there hasn't been a scene set in a sleazy bar with a dame singing in the background while our anti-heroes discuss their increasingly dire plight doesn't mean this isn't a noir.
I'm not saying it's bad because it's ripping off a lot of noir tropes, I just find it ridiculous that they're so blatant and so very, very cliched.
Oh and Hammett would never have written the line 'I'm feeling a little apoplectic myself'.
Noir and hardboiled are some of my favourite genres so I've read quite bit about them.
I said 'influences' in regards to Hammett.
I hated that apoplectic bit, it was idiotic.
What's your point sports fan?
for beating a civillian to near death yet btw?
really enjoyed the lynchy opening sequence to episode 3 but the rest was probably the least interesting one so far
can't really think of a better way to describe it than "half decent"
was so fucking shit
enjoyed vince vaughn fighting that guy though
overall: still shit
the investigation stuff continues to be jerked around by the attempts to build up/break down characters and their relationships.
even the shoot out at the end couldn't really save it. However, Ep 5 could be quite interesting because the three detectives seem on the edge of a quite major fall. But I won't hold my breath.
was quite shocking when fat-lazy-sweaty-scruffy-cynical-bent-copper took a casual bullet to the bonce.
I'm about 3 episodes behind now but determined to catch up. The last couple I watched were hilarious.
Pretty good stuff.
Vinnie Vincent Vaughan is still bad. So dull and his character seems so pointless too.
Sure the plot falls apart after about 5 episodes and the finale is poor but the dialogue is so, so good and the performances are great.
Nothing I'm reading here is making me regret bailing out of Season 2 after 20 minutes of the first episode.
'Never even had a fucking cavity'.
(can't remember the one he used to finish up his conversation with his wife when they were talking about adopting but it was a shocker) but I wonder if it would be a lot less glaring if we had never seen his as Fred Claus or whatever previously.
It's impossible to take him seriously as a villainous gangster. Him and Colin should've swapped roles.
he's just typecast and has to deliver some ridiculous lines. McConaughey would have been fine with them, but delivered by VV they just come across as unintentionally hilarious. Plus you can see VV dying inside and wondering why the hell he agreed to this.
to make you believe he's a bad man then that inherently makes him a bad actor?
Odd that he looks like he's dying inside playing a serious role but less so when playing Fred Claus or Peter La Fleur.
I thought the whole idea was that he was bad, then trying to go straight, then slipping back to being bad. The jury is really out in terms of how 'bad' he is. I thought he was semi convincing in doing the (often portrayed) good-gangster thing.
I'm not saying he's great, but everywhere I read about TD mentions how bad Vince Vaughn is, but I think that's unnecessarily overcritical, and in many ways comes from being typecast in viewers and critics minds. If he can't deliver his (terrible) lines with conviction then that comes down to casting and writing just as much as it does with acting.
Rachel McAdams hasn't be great IMO. The only actor I think who's actually stepped up is Taylor Kitsch, who needed this chance after several flops and a stalling career.
character's mouth with a set of shears then you are a bad man.
I dunno man, the lines were pretty terrible in the first series but McConaughey managed to deliver them with more of a believability befitting his character. I would put this down to atrocious acting. I agree with the poor casting though, as I mentioned above.
When ol' Lunatic Vaccine Denying Carey did The Truman Show people didn't blether on about him being shit.
VV just isn't at a level where he can pull this role off. Maybe if it had been better written he could have. Not everyone has all the range and all the options. In this instance he's dragging the show down but it's not his fault alone.
Personally I think Rachel McAdams is excellent and Taylor Kitsch is, well, good I think. Fundamentally the writing is just much more pedestrian than the last series. That bit where VV and TK bump into each other in the club is just so badly done, then we follow up with VV trying to act all hard and even the horrific teeth-pulling just seems weird. Nothing has a sense of authenticity about it.
I think you've nailed my problem with it. The script was ridiculous in series one but the cast could pull it off.
We knew we might witness something beyond the bounds of normality so that aspect didn't really drag at the show. It was more in a Twin Peaks sort of mould.
Here we've been given nothing to imply that. Which is a shame. I was hoping there'd be a thread between the two series of The King in Yellow, for example, much in the sense of the book itself.
Actually less funny than the actual S2 credits and music, I've realised.
Not entirely sure why it was happening, but it was good nonetheless.
Especially enjoyed when Colin Farrell and one of the bad guys were shooting at each other from behind cover about 5 feet away from one another - that reminded me of Naked Gun.
but also really, really shit in a way wasn't it?
just shoot a million bullets until the building inevitably blows up
not really sure what was going on or why in most of it
would've liked to see knifey mcstabbity go at it, kind of a shame
also all the bad guys are dead and also all of the redshirts er policemen apart from those three? l o l
although it somehow managed to seem shorter and a bit more interesting. Maybe that's not hard.
what was going with motorcycle depressed copper? I couldn't work out if he had woken up at gay prostitute fellas and had had some fun or woke up at his army mates place (and had had some fun). Can't remember the order of things in the previous week or what the gay prostitute or his mate looked like.
'I'm glad I met you at the Luxe club' or something?
He doesn't want to be gay hence why he was taking viagra to sleep with his girlfriend in a previous episode. He looked so happy when he proposed to his girlfriend as well...
I just thought he had willy trauma from the wars and being burnt and shit. But obviously you are right.
but he's TERRIBLE. Just goes around trying to look troubled/tortured in attempt to disguise how dull he is. No wonder none of the others seem to talk to him.
Viagra doesn't make you attracted to someone you're not attracted to/give you a boner on demand.
don't think any of us are honestly surprised
I have never used Viagra, or had genuine reason to.
Glad we cleared that up.
can anyone tell me the character names of the 3 lead detectives?
Veserides for McAdams
Dullest man alive for the other one.
Spelling is probably wrong for the names.
kitsch is like hurley or huffington
mcadams is.... frognal?
Jonah Smedley III
I'm pretty sure the only thing the fans would except at this point would be a return to the first season's characters.
there is still time to turn it around and I'm sure Pizzolatto recognises that people weren't particularly happy with the S1 ending. So I'm not giving up on S2 just yet.
I like the overall concept of TD.
overrate how interesting California really is. There's not a lot of authenticity to the place itself, to the lines being delivered, or to the plot as it advances. Contrast that to the first season where the story was so tense and scary and fascinating, and the dark writing was so well-acted and you're bound to be disappointed.
All that being said, I still think the biggest drag on the show is Vince and his wife, and without their clunky story poorly delivered, it's still good TV.
They should bring in Rust to clean it all up when the 3 departments are all yelling at each other at the end of the season.
Cast obviously isn't as strong as it could be but it seems to be a good Noir series and some of the shots panning over LA are stunning.
Not saying it's the greatest but I'll stick with it for sure.
the grantland recaps are essential reading as well (they're brilliant for GoT as well)
Never liked him in anything else but he actually can act and certainly isnt as terrible as you all seem to think.
significant change in direction/clarity in the plot.
Still think some of Vince Vaughn's script has been written for a dare.
the 'blue balls' bit, and the 'I was drafted at birth' bit. jeez
even Frank had a bit more to work with and VV did a decent job (the two mexican standoffs)
Vince Vaughn is the best thing about it
i don't care about your opinion of that opinion
Best episode yet, no doubt.
it definitely has a lot of problems
I'd like there to be more about the religious groups
All went a bit Austin Powers "nobody ever thinks about the henchman's family" in the middle.
such as "...I beg your pardon?"
It was pointed out in one of the reviews that I read of last week's episode that the best bits of the show are when nobody is talking, which held true in this episode.
but yeah, it's got ridiculous.
this is very very helpful:
but fucking hell this is ridiculous.
who the hell were the underground army boys?
who's the guy they keep talking about??
what are the detectives names again???
shame it's taken this long
but my thoughts so far are:
yes it's not as interesting as series 1, yes it's pulpy trash, but soon as you accept those things, it's still a fun watch.
I don't think Vince Vaughn is that bad but then I don't think I've ever actually seen a film he's been in before, just aware of the sort of stuff he's been in, so I don't really have any pre-requisite to judge him. As has been mentioned some of his lines have been clunky as hell but that doesn't seem to be his fault.
Agree Farrell is by far the most interesting of the bunch, there's not really a huge reason these 3 are together doing all the stupid, surely largely illegal, shit they are doing other than fate? But you know what, it's fine for a slightly trashy cop drama which seems to be well aware of it's cliches, and am interested to see how it ends
McAdams = 8
Farrell = 8
Vaughan = 5.5
Taylor Kitsch = Taylor Kitsch
Farrell - 6.5
Vaughn - 5
Taylor Kitsch - 5
Farrell - 7
Vaughn - 5
Kitsch - 2
Farrell - 8
Vaughn - 6
Kitsch - 5
Season 2: Shite start, great ending
I prefer the latter
S1 had some stunning moments, S2 didn't.
I enjoyed the ending but that doesn't take away from the fact that the first 5 episodes were awful.
The bit in the train station was great. That was the first time the location really grabbed me - in S1 there were loads of great locations and settings - LA didn't really work.
But I'll take a cliched sleazy LA over cliched bible-belt weird place any day of the week.
where a guy confessed to loads of crimes on a crowded bench for no apparent reason other than he's the bad guy so that's what he does.
Also enjoyed not having a clue who the gang was that killed Vaughn.
The action bits were good, shoot-out and that, the plot and dialogue were awful, so the final episode was a fair reflection of the series in that respect.
i had no idea why bezzerides was roaming about in pitler's house again near the end
But it would have been better if the first 6 episodes were better
vince vaughn was the best throughout
I've just remembered when Colin Farrell saluted his son
to me, to you, to me, to you, to me, to you, to...
If only they'd sorted out the pace in the first 4 episodes. Even their source material was faster moving than that.
Overall, better ending ten fold than the first season.
and a flurry of characters briefly mentioned that never appears, nor quite understand what their connection with the plot. What a mess of a show.