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Most of me thinks `fair fucking play` but part of me thinks `this is really fucking irritating`.
To be fair Jones is an excellent speaker who's worth a watch in my view but I can understand why fans might be IRKED by her politicisation of her gigs in such fashion. Might be worth her debating her views with a few folk - see how well she gets on.
Because she feels he would make a better job of it, I have a very high opinion of my own views, for instance, but I am sure that I could balls up expressing them publically (?).
Also consider 'when a musical artist expresses themselves politically'' ...........Bono
My last comment was more of a dig - I'd wager her own views are rather trite but who knows.
seems kinda admirable to me, despite being basically my worst nightmare in terms of something to sit through
Jones is a really good speaker actually - passionate, warm and more amusing than people give him credit for.
So long as he doesn't say `the politics of hope!!` too often he'll be worth watching.
Not my cup of tea but if he manages to make some folk think twice who usually wouldn't that's great. Imagine being the sort of person going to see Paloma Faith anyway, they deserve everything they get.
imagine being a fan of hers and shes assuming you like ukip
Faith reportedly asked Jones to speak before her performances in London and Brighton due to a fear that her fans may be planning to vote UKIP in the general election
I read another story on this this morning, where she was directly quoted and it was nowhrre near as direct as that, she was just like "people are saying they'll vote ukip... some of them might be my fans"
that's my story and I'm sticking to it
DiS has made me laugh loads today. Good work DiS!
will encourage more people to vote UKIP, the daft bint.
They're not exactly going to be `Hmm this sanctimonious socialist ragamuffin is onto something!`
That's got nothing to do with it.
`Well I was thinking of voting UKIP... but that preachy, baby-faced Guardian writer I saw at the pop concert really set me straight on that one!`
might be somewhat skewing your perceptions, is all I'm trying to say.
has said they actually like him. Twice.
I'm sorry I missed how clearly you thought highly of him =/
And my other two posts where I expressed explicit admiration for him didn't?
Anyway - to remove all doubt - I like Owen Jones a lot. Significant flaws notwithstanding - I like him.
Some of my fans might be thinking of voting UKIP so I'll patronise the fuck out of everybody by making them listen to an opposing opinion when they're trying to enjoy a night out.
as credible political players in the uk?
way to prioritise
CBA to type it all out again.
Basically the worst way to deal with the increasing popularity of UKIP and their ilk is to vilify and patronise people who might be thinking of them as a viable option.
and talk up the worth of left-leaning politics to people, to engage with them
This is QUITE LITERALLY what all you fuds who cry about people being mean about UKIPPers have asked us to do. WILL YOU NEVER BE HAPPY
It's not the time or the place though is it? It's much more likely to put people's backs up than anything else IMHO and there's an arrogance to the idea that these just need to have some kind of light switched on and then their opinions will change which is pretty galling.
if you read about it (perhaps not roy's shitcunt article) he doesn't actually seem to be taking that attitude at all
seems sort of fine. bit earnest but it could be great. we can't really bitch about this and complain about non-engagement / tumblr socialism and all that shit at once. At least he's doing something.
Like I said, I like the bloke and think he's largely a force for good. This does seem inherently quite arrogant though which, when we're hypothetically talking about addressing a bunch of people who are already likely to be wary of the perceived arrogance of the left, could be really counter-productive.
if you just assume it's going to be shit then it's a bit hopeless.
It's symptomatic of a wider issue when it comes to daftly partisan politics like this. "The left" on a conceptual level are perceived to be arrogant and elitist therefore every time a prominent person of "the left" does something to reinforce this (largely incorrect) perception they just discredit themselves that little bit more.
will reinforce the perception of the left being arrogant and elitist, tho.
"that thing you're doing where you refuse to engage with UKIP, deny them publicity, and mock them a bit? It's making them more powerful, you elitist lefty idiot!"
"ok, how about we get a generally well-liked, young, eloquent speaker to engage with people at some pop concerts? win some hearts and minds?"
No! that will also make them more powerful, you arrogant elitist lefty idiot!
"shall we just go and watch porn then"
Insofar as to engage with someone there needs to be a dialogue opened in which both parties contribute. Not just one person speaking and the other person listening.
They'll feel largely patronised and bored. Good.
There'd be uproar
fucked, mate. fucked
'you got this', he said
Don't think paloma faiths fans are really into political discussion on the whole tbh but as I said, that's their problem tbh.
probably quite likely considering both paloma faith and ukip are very popular?
if you were a normal person who happened to like her, and you went and got made to feel stitched up like a kipper
Pious newborn, Owen Jones
He added: “I want the audience to leave with more hope than they entered. I want it to be upbeat.
“Nothing worse than if people were like ‘Oh blimey, some preachy pre-pubescent Macaulay Culkin lookalike is ranting at me about politics – this isn’t what I signed up for’.
“I’m not going to patronise people.”
my dream gig would be Ed Harcourt supported by Steven Yeun! Make it happen, please!
Feel a bit bad for her because she obviously sees herself as an eccentric, bohemian, artsy type rather than a record company schill making music for grannies and adverts. Probably a bit gutting to find out that the political equivalent of your dismal, retro pastiche is UKIP.
Sounds like her record company and management have been really, erm, taking care of her.
but making me laugh thinking what a lot of people would be like if she'd picked a right wing polemicist instead of a left wing one.
Mainstream pop idiocy already advocates our shit neoliberal systemsystem without lifting a finger.
Go retweet some feminists you fancy
Fucking love it.
Owen Jones can hurt like thii-iiiiiiis
like, non-cynical. amazingly so.
I would like to see a minor celebrity speaking in support of each political party before all Paloma Faith gigs.
Labour - Owen Jones
Tories - Frank Bruno
Lib Dems - Bianca Jagger
UKIP - Sir Patrick Moore
Greens - Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall
SNP - The Proclaimers
Plaid Cymru - Er, Cerys Matthews or something
I'm sure this will be appreciated by all in attendance who just came out that evening to watch a fucking music gig!
also we need different (geopolitically) pov's,
who could Ann Coulter open for?
or glen beck
or paloma faith?
would just stay in the pub and miss the support. she should bring him out between her main set and encore to reach as many bigoted ears as possible
that most pop fans turn up or leave the bar before the support acts are finished.