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They're even building a new temple out in Iceland:
Anyone here into it?
I'd be up for it.
I already said I'm in, no need to sweeten it
love to see more of this
paganism is a synonym for nationalism, sometimes for being a nazi
See Julian Cope for a beautiful example of the feminist, far left side of modern paganism.
The central idea behind modern paganism is "if it harm none, do as you will". Nationalism/Nazism does not gel with this maxim, so they cannot be said to be inherently pagan ideals.
Like, needier than watching American Football.
it sort of looks heirarchical, I don't like the smell of it.....things like this are great when an alternative to another religeon....but when it gets any power/influence, then I am weary of the heirarchical nature of it.
If they really want some sort of symbolic person to lead ceremonys
find someone who's been struck by lightning more than once
on the ground in the dirt
She would lock herself in her room on full moons and go wild, tearing stuff up, howling, the works. Bit tryhard.
Had she considered the gravity of her situation?
this is cool. maybe they'll reform the religion and then you can export it to Europa Universalis IV and play as Reformed Norse
which is a load of crap
Is just one big circle.
makes a lot more sense than all the bullshit monotheistic religions if you think about it
Paganism should be indignantly dismissed for this very reason
and yet I wish to make sense....I love science me, and I also love the boundaries of knowledge, like we all do,,,,theoretical physics is great and exciting, discovering new aspects to animal behaviour is brilliant.....but so is the mystery of what we havnt found out yet.
We cannot DENY that there are some things that we dont know.....although it is mostly specialist scientists that are more aware of the precise aspects of this now.........BUT in the past there were some things that WERE unknown, but not bullshit.
Like observing that at full moon, and new moons the tides were higher and lower........this is not nonsense, but they had no way of knowing the full explanation....THEN.....
but what do you want? a fucking vacuum......oh well we dont know about that so we wont speculate.....bollocks, we have stories/possibilities/hypothesies to possibly provide reasons for connections that we know are real but cant explain YET....and sometimes when you are miles away from explaining a good and lovely tale is a nice thing.
IF humans did not wonder at possibilities, or imagine exlanations for things that we cant currently eplain or before we have the evidence then we are not likely to discover much are we.
Animism is not stupid.....e.g. you may think that someone believing that rocks have spirit is stupid...but you are wrong, because some rocks are very very different....some look different some feel different, some make sparks and fire, some are magnetic, some make tools weapons, some make hard tools, some make brittle tools.....by wondering and combining and experimenting you can make non brittle tools....some make a fine edge some a blunt one........some rocks have hidden wonders inside.....like gold....some have diamonds.......some have the images of dragons inside (for what is a dragon other than a giant winged reptile?....which incidentally hatches from an egg) some have radium in them.....Madam Curie didnt know EXACTLY what she was looking for....but she knew the rocks had some spirit in them, later on the spirit is named and catagorised, after she did the necessary investigation.....mushing/mixing/crushing/heating......the usual methods of alchemy.
Religeon becomes dumb, when it willfully ignores a better explanation that comes along to replace the previous best knowledge.....religeon ignores these things more easily because it has special books or priests in a herarchy who 'know the word of god'
Good paganism is not like this, like good science.
Bad science can also exist a bit like religeon, if it is too heirarchy based and with leaders who have some oher motive or who are not actually enquiring enough themselves (climate change denial for example) but obviously bad science tends to not get as entrenched as bad heirarchical religeon.
You seem favour paganism's fluidity and its shallow hierarchy. That is, it may change from one state to the next with each appropriated explanation without the meddling of a leader. Oftentimes these explanations are anathema to monotheistic religion.
Do you define yourself by your rejection of monotheistic religion rather than your favour of paganism? Can the two be separate?
hierarchy is artificially imposing rank and importance based on a template that is from without the current thing that you are experiancing....there is no need to do this....your mind has already been influences (is sort of templatey) according to times before the current experiance, but your mind would do this naturally, as you are an animal and that is how your brain patterns form.
As it is we learn artificial patterns, to deal with the day to day, because we have to live within the society that we are in's customs, we cannot be totally free as there are so many of us and so we do need to have an agreed code of conduct towards each other or else it could get unpleasent......however when we wish to be more truthful, more natural more spiritual and be free-er from the pragmatic influences of the day, which may cause us to be less excellant towards each other than we would like, then I find that it is best to find places that are free from superficially artificial aspects.
Waterfalls, forests, mountains, seas, lightning, the sun, the moon, the stars, rivers, flowers affect us all, and we all feel something moving about these things.....even if we didnt have any language we would be moved by these things......we are perhaps more moved because of the difference between what we feel about these and how we normally act within the superficial artificiality.
Sorry...to answer your question specifically.....it as easy for me....I loved the outdoors....I loved women (my mum and nan) I was told to be wary of men......a religeous man shouted at me very violently when i was a toddler, even though i was innocent of any wrong intent in my heart....i tried to explain myself but that provoked more anger....I remember then (and in the future) being told off....I was evil, i was wicked, I was pagan (might have been cos of my grans catholicism I now realise) that fitted in fine, i as scared of all that shit because i didnt understand it anyway....jesus seemed fine but seemed at odds with all the other stuff....animals were great....sea was great hills were great....flowers and garden was great...birds was great......church and school tell you off......moved round the place a lot....got made fun of for accent lots....no permenant freinds, always a new kid at school, not staying for more than few months....dont want my mum to know my problems, she had enough herself....but animals are ok to talk to.....In somerset and gloucester in villages, where we lived I used to eat lots of plants (aged 5/6/7 hid it from my mum cos she used to be very scared of this.
I remember specifically singing run to me (mentally) to glastonbury tor, when driven past it in a car full of shouting angry adults...and then doing it with every hill profile for the next few years..I was 12
At this point I kind of started to realise that I could identify with being a heathen, and reasoned that certain past times I would indeed have been burnt as a witch.
I remember going on holiday to a place where i came into a grove of yew trees...its a kind of unusual space and so It made me kind of dance around, a bit stompily, because of the noise and to connect with the yews roots....then as i was doing this it kind of came to me how old they were, and that If i was doing this now, because of how I felt, then so it would hve been done by others, last year....the year before, a hundred years ago and more, and that others would be dancing like this in the future, and I knew this was true, and suddenly I wasnt alone, I was trying to dance in sync with people in the past and in the future.
I now like dancing 'not on my own' outside in special places.
My secondary school was a boys grammar, and I knew this was sort of evil (several degrees removed, but nevertheless routed in wrong.....'If' stylee) Its difficult to express the contempt I had for their ideals, because I was, a the end of the day, a very gentle and sensitive boy, but I found my own ways, luckily i didnt get too picked upon as I had an outdoor nature and was reasonably naturally clever. I was compelled to attend the local church and it made me feel really bad.....like I might get found out (although I know that nonsense).
I go for long walks in local wilderness most days.....finding new things all the time, but not doing anything scientifically......at Poly I was blown away by how much cannabis does to you......stunned at a plant like this and how it is so impressive at opening you up.....a small garden becomes effortlessly as intriguing as wildeness i had to search for (to forget the artificialness)....here was something, a plant that gave me the freedom to not be overwhelmed by the depressing artificialness.....wanted to understand scientifically.....got my first herbal......Mrs Grieves 'a modern herbal' .......here it is online
I was entranced by this book so much.....lots of different names for some things i already knew and names for some i had no names for and history..i even knew some names that werent in there.....so I've annotated my copy heavily....its a large book, and I devoured it avidly......identifying plants is not always as easy as some identification books suggest....so i found another way.... i learnt all the families, all of them (they change over time :( ) Its the easiest way.....some families are sooooo great that its easy....others are not and they are obscure with few members, but that makes it better when you find them.
And important way to identify can be using smell and taste, but obviously this is going to be possibly very dangerous for beginners.....but its silly to not use these senses if you are seriously into this.
So this goes on a bit...when i was living in london, squatting, i had to hang out in abney park for relief, every now and again, and it was when Mrs knees's freind (a pagan preistess)said we should get hand fasted in the deconsecrated church in abney park, that It kind of dawned on me i should self identify as a witch and kind of be proud about it.
It was weird, because I did it all anyway, and it had become 'a thing' that people talked about.
I could see that a lot of people were attracted to it because it was 'a thing' that was newly talked about......a lot of people into it were sort of inner city feminists....and thats fine because there are lots of linkages to do with male heirarchical authoritarian power affecting us negatively and enpowerment for witches or feminists is sort of mutual.....but in these groups there would be some who would have been were it not for it being 'a new thing' ....for instance Babs, a lovely gentle woman who didnt claim a lot at all but was from the country and much older.....I could tell from her garden plants her 'credentials' nothing flashy, nothing showily dramatically poisonous, just gentle signs, and she had her own 'habits' which were really quite groovy.
Hosted some herbal workshops for some wiccan flavoured inner city covern people because i thought they should at least have some grounding in traditional knowledge.
Oh and I forgot the white goddess, that helps put it all in poetic context.....:D
I've not taken up invitations to join covens, but liked going to festivals and stuff, and had samhains and beltains with others (Mrs knees even came to one samhain)
monotheistic religion rejected me (I could not comprehend of a father figure being all merciful....no dad or grandads nd mum and nan thought men were idiot gits and warned me of them.....then men started shouting at me, as an innocentwanting to please child, then they called me evil and pagan and heathen.....its laughable really...they actually said it to my gran/mum as i got chucked out of sunday school and some other school type thing (CofE)
and as for the other....well I am pagan.... i worship loads of things,,,,,sun moon trees earth feelings life (worship is maybe the wrong word) but sea sky moon mountains rivers make me (you) feel more than you are, help you lose your ego....(without dmt :D )
its called "The new Pantheon or an introduction to the mythology of the ancients" published 1859....its small and although it talks about how terrible all these things are in comparrison to 'the blessed light of our lord' it is fairly obviously not as against these things as it has to claim to be.......after its done roman, greek, nordic, germanic.....it then talks bout paganism, and it says "Though all the various systems of Pagan mythology appear to be streams, wandering more or less widely from the patriarchal religeon, there appear to be two principal sects...........The one may be called the Osiric or Brahmnical supoerstition, the source of the Egyptian, persian and grecian mythologies (and also Hindu)
The other may be styled the Thothic or Buddhic superstition (including lamaism) It includes scythians under this.
The book also suggests that scandinavian mythology comes from scythians.....
So its interesting isnt it.....back then, it was thought that scandinavian Thor worship was related to buddists.......perceptions change, and this book is still very niave, although it is written under great censure........and interesting aspect is all the religeons are still described as having a 'big daddy' at the top, because they tend to only be able to see things in the terms with which their own society is organised....because they are ascribing an organisations pov on something.....which is, what is happening with the people in the OPs link...
In other parts of the world mimicary of our own world is seen as another representation and a way to try to control or influence, or understand...in the andies there are some places/temples where something mimics the larger word universe (or that is what modern interprettion likes to see it as)
Paganism is a collection of things that people who self identify as Not Pagan say have similar smells.
(although of course many self identifiers also have a similar but different collection (like a venn diagram, much commonality but also differences)
To me the OP linkage people smell not quite pagan but also religeousy.....just an alternative of abrahimic.
can't we all just be animists? :D
'I wonder if......' or 'I wonder how.....'
Although by verbalising those feelings they are somewhat dirtied.....just stick with a non verbal feeling of those and you will be being sincere