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For fuck's sake.
hang on they're actually going to make it happen now you see
I guess the latest development hasn't really made it into international media yet. They're working for a ban on street begging and on "aiding" beggars now.
they should DEMAND playstation4s
or go on hungerstrike
(sorry I know it sounds callous, but that is one of satires methods)
...are on upwards of €50k pa tbf. Oil fund innit.
...specifically so you didn't have to wade through a load of Norwegian. As such, do your own homework.
Isn't it normally the one making the claims who has to back them up like? It just sounds like the sort of propaganda that the current government would construct in order to legitimise their efforts to ban poor people
Urgh I hate reading things like that.
A simple, well signposted wind-up...
to show I have read Hunger.
Our current minister of finance (also leader of the right wing Progress Party) famously once stated Thatcher as her biggest political idol. Great going.
"every person wandering abroad, or placing himself or herself in any public place, street, highway, court, or passage, to beg or gather alms, or causing or procuring or encouraging any child or children so to do; shall be deemed an idle and disorderly person within the true intent and meaning of this Act; and it shall be lawful for any justice of the peace to commit such offender (being thereof convicted before him by his own view, or by the confession of such offender, or by the evidence on oath of one or more credible witness or witnesses,) to the house of correction"
but also there's a difference between having some law from the 1800s which just hasn't been removed, and introducing a new one now.
(In the original Norwegian constitution from 1814, Jews were banned from the country. Had it been today, probably the same would apply for the Roma people, and some would certainly try to include groups of Muslims)
don't you worry
I really would.
making begging 'illegal'
because if we take a worst case scenario.....where someone has no home and no goods and needs to eat, then its hard to claim that any authority that makes such a stature, has juristiction over such a person who is obviously not within that society properly..........(If it were a common law crime then yes, anyone should comply with that)
I know that some people like to believe that there is such a thing as a social contract.....but for such unfortunates it looks as if there is not a social contract.
whatcha gonna do with the destitute huh?
lock em up and keep them warm and feed them and give them slightly old playstations?
(i was laughing so hard i lost control of my keyboard)
And what about street charity collectors?
Is this gonna stop Greenpeace & Amnesty et al soliciting for donations?
but yeah, i gather it's just street begging. probably won't do anything to those organisations (although they probably bother more people on the street than the actual beggars....), i haven't heard anything about it at least
Looks that way
The Sverige Demokraterna would likely do the same here if they could - it was central to their election campaign
What exactly do they mean by 'aiding' beggars? Are they suggesting that people who give money to beggars will be arrested?
more like, enabling the beggars to keep on beggin in other ways – providing them with a place to sleep etc. which is just batshit crazy if it means that people will risk police charges and doing time in prison for basically being a good samaritan like this woman (norwegian article): http://www.nrk.no/ostlandssendingen/mama-inger-kan-havne-i-fengsel-1.12184779
This would suggest otherwise
When violent, aggressive forms of begging are presumably already sanctioned under other laws.
Unless there is a culture of violent, aggressive begging (or it's orchestrated by criminal gangs or something) in Norway then it does just seem to be a bone thrown to the tabloid press.
Having lived in London for about 3 years I've never really seen begging as an issue... have seen far worse examples of persistent, annoying begging in Europe though. Lisbon was particularly bad.
big a difference there is between how we view Scandinavia and how liberal they actually are(n't).
Idk about sweden and denmark but we had a socialist government until 2013 - and hopefully will go back to it soon eh.
Also this has just been vetoed in Parliament, yesssss