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how can you not run the football there?
In the end it was just a shame that both teams couldn't lose.
Shall we dig up the pre-season predos?
think I had clowney and manziel as defensive and offensive ROTYs. whoops
pretty bad on the everything else
too soon guys
Still an awful play call but Wilson must've liked his chances there
I didn't realise the Seahawks had hired Brian Schottenheimer and Marty Mornhinweg as offensive assistants.
when they drafted him.
Among 39 running backs with at least 10 carries from the 1-yard line in the past five seasons, Lynch’s touchdown percentage (45 percent) ranks 30th. This season, Lynch only scored a touchdown on 1 of 5 rushes from the 1-yard line.
Passing plays from the 1 yard line have been increasing in frequency over the past few seasons, and there isn't much difference in their success rate compared with rushing plays.
Still a dumb play.
Just 26 seconds and one time out to get potentially three plays off.
If you run first, you either run second and don't get a third opportunity or you pass, so you're pretty much telegraphed for a pass.
Take the pass on this down and you have all of your options open.
The book would say pass. The difference of course is you have to have faith in Lynch.
Not a bad play call in itself. Think I would have preferred a play action though - surely the Pats would have expected a Lynch run? Maybe not idk...
The problem for the Seahawks was they used/wasted their other two time outs on that drive to avoid delay of game penalties.
likely to get a man open, easy for wilson to run it in if he sees space, easy to through away if there's nobody open
108 passes have been attempted at the 1 yard line this season, for 66 TDs and no picks. There's some good analysis on the play that suggests it wasn't the egregious error that it seemed at the time:
9 times out of 10 that would be a TD or at worst an incompletion. Butler pretty much had to break on the route immediately and he did thanks to the film study.
Praise needs to go to Hightower too for his stop on Lynch in the previous play.
I still think it was the wrong call. Lynch should have got another go.
However the fact that it was intercepted and not just an incompletion was so unlikely. Butler making a 5 yard interception through the receiver was just crazy, almost a fluke.
I still think in that situation running the ball with Lynch would've been the better option but more credit should go to Butler; he read the play perfectly and took a bit of a gamble jumping the route like that.
it still doesn't make any sense
Good wasn't it? Hard to root that enthusiastically for either team but it's nice that lovely Julian Edelman and his lovely beard have a ring.
What with the Superb Owl and chapter 254 of the Manziel saga it seems we all missed JJ Watt channeling his inner Bon Iver.
Never liked him
The Sapp special - 2 prostitutes.
the crimewave begins
although aligator abuse is a new one
First person whose team gets a drugs arrest, an assault, a dui, a gun charge and something involving an airport is the winner.
Aldon Smith could give me a full house on his own
Aldon Smith is projected to be a top 5 pick in the Fantasy Crime draft though.
that's over 29 stone!
How's he going to be able to see to play?
What's with the little towels, I don't watch very often but caught a load of the super bowl and I couldn't notice anything else but the little towels loads of them had tucked into their tight pants. Whats going on there it makes everyone look like they're doing a warm-up. Is it a fashion thing or some just useful? Is it to wipe the ball/hands because the grass is wet? Do they always use them even if it aint wet? It can't be for sweat can it? They don't have anything exposed that needs a wipe do they? Towels are usually just hanging about on the side somewhere, but for some reason football has to have them everywhere, why not just give a big one to the fat dude on the team and go wipe yourself on him if you need on on the field all the time. he doesn't go far and you all stop loads so it wouldn't get in the way much.
that's literally it
I mean how many people really touch the ball in a game? Fair doos like there is a lot riding on that one touch in this game but I dunno seems over kill for everyone to have a little towel at all times just in case.
I enjoyed it all though. Was a pretty mad finish, could have gone either way. That mad fumble catch thing followed by the fuck up at the end was pretty exciting. Just like with NBA I'd watch more of it if it was on normal telly.
Just clocked it now. That does seem like over accessorising. They do play in mad snow though I guess. Do they have anymore cool fashion accessories? I think I saw some NFL players with sweet crop tops on.
With his blacked out visor and dummy-style mouth guard.
Tinted visors just look badass:
Ray Lewis is a bad badass, not a good badass.
wish custom face guards were still allowed though.
Helmet stuff. I saw that dummy and some sun shade things.
I read that one guy got fined for having golden boots yet every other dude on the field has multi-coloured whatever boots on.
Is it all to sell more DLC for Madden games?
Then Vvvvvvvvvv back up when he goes off. Probably doesn't though.
I did a double take seeing his name mentioned for the future HoF classes in the MMQB this week, and it's a bit odd of him to take such a strong stance on this. I should really listen to LBC and ignore PK...
In particular the point that Darren Sharper would only be a borderline choice anyway so he can easily be overlooked, avoiding any moral dilemma like there would be if it was a player like Tom Brady, does not address the underlying issue. The allegations against Sharper either matter or they don't.
Anyway this article is horrific but it was his constant defense of Goodell and the Rice travesty that did it for me.
The third Colts linebacker to be arrested this offseason.
The Owl has been over for more than a week and free agency starts in one month. Talk to me about your team's offseason needs, gots, probable FA signings and that sort of thing. What's that? You don't think you'll be able to do it until you've read what the Bengals might do this offseason? Well OK, I understand.
To be honest I could just copy paste last year's. Cap room = loads. Important free agents = not many. Probable free agent signings = even fewer. Solution to the Dalton problem = ehhh, let's give it a year. With Huge Action and the guy who look's like he's on a golf trip both staying put already there's more stability than last year. Free agent wise Clint Boling's the only real must keep. Maualuga will probably get kept because the coaches like him for whatever reason, Newman might come back as well but only as depth after Antonio Brown comprehensively showed everyone that he's not really got that pace any more. Eric Winston would be nice, Gresham less so, the three useless receivers will probably go (Little, Tate and Sanzenbacher for your FYI) and Marshall Newhouse will be ran out of town with pitchforks if necessary. Of the non free agents Peko and Geathers will probably both be cut because there's no cap hit and they're utterly useless.
Mike Brown's made some noise about maybe doing something in free agency but in reality that'll probably mean waiting until day two rather than day three to sign the token free agent defensive back who'll be cut on August 31st. Terrence Knighton's been suggested to fix the DT problem (the problem being that for most of last season Peko was useless, Atkins was rehabbing, Still was inactive and Thompson...well actually Thompson was OK) but if they go down that route I think Fairley might be priced out of Detroit by the upcoming Suh-perdeal.
Draftwise I imagine they'll go for the best pass-rusher available. Leonard Williams, Shane Ray and Randy Gregory will probably be off the board so Alvin Dupree looks possible and would be a decent scheme fit. There's a suggestion they might pick a WR quite high, and with Green, Sanu, Jones and James Wright on the roster already they can afford to go developmental there. The team's drafted exceptionally well in recent years and seem to know who's ready and who isn't in the existing roster (was stunned when they passed over Cyprien and Elam a couple of years ago because they had Iloka but just look at the season he's had).
There's only one real question in the big D this offseason, and that's what to do about a boy name Suh. If the Lions pay him a going rate (potentially, and probably deservedly the biggest defensive contract EVAH), then a ridiculous amount of cap space will be taken up with with just three players: yer man N'damakong, good-but-maybe-time-to-face-it-not great Matthew Stafford, and Calvin Johnson, who has one, maybe two good years left in him, but even those aren't likely to be as hot as they once were.
So it looks slightly mad to keep him, but at the same time, can you afford not to? We rode a tip-top defence to the playoffs, and will probably need to do so again unless there is some miracle gelling of the offence in the next few months. Rumours say Suh wants to play in a big media market, but those aren't the teams with the cash, unless he fancies going to the Raiders, one of the few places where he has less chance of playing successful football that Detroit. I reckon we'll stake everything on keeping him and blowing the budget, and dealing with the fall out when Johnson goes and something has to be done about Staff in a couple of years. Gives us a limited window of excitement, which they will fail to capitalise on thanks to Aaron Effing Rodgers.
Managing the cap will probably see us lose good people like Tulloch, Fluellen, possibly Fairley, and interestingly, Reggie Bush, which probably won't be a great loss, all things considered.
In the draft we still need a cornerback for when Mathis goes down, some big units for the offensive line (and probably DT too when something inevitably goes wrong with Suh / he's suspended for half a season), and some proper running talent would be nice. So expect them to draft six tight ends and a punter.
but the front office has managed to balls it up so that they are all out of contract this year when you have no cap room. Brilliant.
Steelers are in a bit of a weird situation this off-season. Offensively they're pretty much sorted. The only real issues are depth at RB, TE and WR but none of these are that urgent. They'll probably just keep Ben Tate as Bell's backup and then hope Dri Archer develops more in his 2nd year. TE will probably be a mid-late round draft choice rather than a FA pick up. Heyward-Bey will leave as an UFA and I think Lance Moore will be a cap casualty so a veteran WR or two will probably get picked up in free agency to support Brown, Bryant and Wheaton. Finding Roethlisberger's replacement becomes more of a priority with each year and I wouldn't be surprised if they use a late pick on a QB they like who can develop for a few years before starting. They already tried this with Landry Jones but he was rubbish.
Defensively the team is in disarray. The Dick LeBeau era is officially over and there are constant rumours that the last few pieces of his great defences will leave with him. Troy Polamalu has a high cap number and hasn't performed to a standard worthy of it for a while now so I think he's probably done which is heartbreaking. I kind of hope he either retires or goes straight into coaching as I couldn't really imagine him in a Titans jersey. Similarly Ike Taylor might be asked to convert to safety or just get cut but I'd be pretty surprised if he was still playing CB for Pittsburgh next year. Then there's Harrison and Keisel who both played pretty well last year and I'd like to see come back but both are also "Disciples of Dick" and could follow him to Tennessee.
As well as Harrison we also have Worilds and Moats as UFA so depending on how Keith Butler sees them I think at least 2 of them will get re-signed as the system will still be OLB dependent. Worilds got the transition tag last year then had a bad year so I would've thought he doesn't get resigned unless he's very cheap.
I don't follow NCAA at all so I've no idea who the draft targets will be. Most Steeler fans seem certain they'll go for CB in the first round but I have my doubts. Butler's system will be similar to LeBeau's which relies on QB pressure instead of tight coverage and the Steelers haven't taken a DB in the first round since Polamalu in '03. I think they'll leave DBs til the 2nd and 3rd rounds and take a DT or OLB in the first.
you have to always point out that rookie CBs are never any good and won't be ready to start until at least their second year.
Marcus Peters from Washington maybe but for all the talent he was dismissed from the team and the school for reasons that remain unclear.
Trae Waynes from Michigan State too apparently.
Really the most pressing issue is finding the elixir of youth for Tommy. None of you guys have seen it, have you?
Other than that, Evil Bill needs to decide whether or not it's worth ponying up the cash to Revis for another year. Everyone seems pretty sure Devin McCourty will sign or be franchised, so he'll be around. Then it's down to running backs Vereen (I'd keep him, but who knows) and Ridley (seeya!).
Big Vince got cut last year and resigned, so there might be some similar crap this year with him I guess. Hope we keep him.
Free agency - last year I asked for Eric Decker and was disappointed. This year I will ask for Randall Cobb and be disappointed.
Draft - quite literally no clue who anyone is or what we are looking for. #insight.
Pats need a deep threat.
outside of TE and (possibly, backups notwithstanding) QB, i don't think there's any position we *don't* need some kind of upgrade at. though we won't draft anyone at S because they'll give Jairus Byrd a year with a full preseason, and Kenny Vaccaro another chance to remember how to play. and there's plenty of backups and projects behind them, they're just mostly toilet.
cap is a bummer as always, we're $20m over but apparently all the signing bonus are going to be converted to roster bonuses, which means that's less of a factor. i can see Colston having to epically re-do his contract and probably halve salary if he's going to stay. he probably will. Lofton and Hawthorne will probably go (thank god). don't think we'll bring back Ingram because of how expensive he'll be, think he may end up replacing Murray at the 'Boys.
oh, and Junior Galette'll probably be gone for beating his wife.
so, we need: RB. Khiry Robinson is not a three down back. at least not yet.
probably not WR, i guess. there are bigger deals to fry. so somehow Nick Toon is still going to be playing professional american football next year, despite everything.
OL? well, Center at least. Jonathan Goodwin is old. Tim Lelito can't snap a ball. Evans and Grubbs are both getting old and in decline at guard. i guess at tackle we're fine. Terron Armstead is going to be fucking amazing.
and the entire D. especially Nose Tackle. But especially a Pass Rusher. and especially Inside Linebackers. And definitely a Cornerback to play alongside Keenan Lewis.
oh, and we need a kicker too. please not another year of Shayne "43 yards? *puffs out cheeks* " Graham.
AND Long Snapper
CAN WE PLEASE GET A WR THANK YOU.
Norwood is supposed to be a mini-Boldin but he barely even played last year. It's not like there wasn't a need for a big bodied WR with great hands in the redzone at any point this season...
Think the big question is going to be Lynch, obviously. I don't think there's any way of replacing him, but imagine if Seattle's first rounder went on someone like Todd Gurley or even Melvin Gordon. Even if Lynch doesn't retire, that's a good hedge for when he inevitably slows down. Turbin and Michael are far from average, but they've never shown very much outside of the preseason and limited flashes, although Turbin was great on third down all year. Michael is a freak, but not sure he'll ever have Lynch's drive and vision.
There's been a lot of investment on the d-line in terms of draft but it came a bit unstuck last year with injuries. Look for a few veteran depth adds - Odrick could be a possibility or even Terrence Knighton.
O-line is a shambles, especially the guards. Some rookies and depth got blooded this year. Resigning Carpenter would be a good move, J.R. Sweezy is still awful and commits a ton of penalties. RT Britt wasn't terrible as a rookie but let's hope he develops. Again some mid-low round draft picks and maybe some veteran depth would be appreciated.
Most of the offseason should be dedicated to getting Wilson on an affordable contract, talks of a full guarantee which might reduce the overall cap hit even if it leaves Seattle vulnerable in case of injuries. Locking up Wagner (and Irvin, if possible) also priorities.
Reckon the first few draft picks will be on WR, RB, CB, not necessarily in that order.
The owner is a republican dick and almost every person involved in the organisation is reprehensible.
But yeah, I'm secretly still following them a little, but the reasons for which I like them have gone and I realised that I really dislike Woody Johnson. Stupid name for starters.
Mike Wallace could be available.
Overpriced, not actually that good, bit of a diva.
It's the second coming of Santonio Holmes!!!!
He is overpriced atm, but he is better than he is given credit for and adapted well to being used differently in Miami. He would give the Seahawks a legitimate deep threat and is nowhere near the level of diva that would cause concern.
Plus Torrey Smith's a free agent (and a better player).
He would be a safer option in terms of personality, but highly regarded free agents tend to get overpaid. The most likely option is that they draft a WR rather than spend big.
This year's receivers look like last year's cornerbacks in that there are so many high profile free agents (Dez Bryant, DeMaryius Thomas, Randall Cobb, Jeremy Maclin, Michael "sorry-ass" Crabtree) who could get big deals a la Talib, Revis, Rodgers-Cromartie last year that the high quality but lower profile players might end up going really cheap (a la Alterraun Verner). Plus Mike Wallace's cap hit is big enough to put off potential trades and the Dolphins would have to eat $6m of dead money if they released him.
Bryant and Thomas are almost certainly going nowhere, while Macklin is likely to stay put. Crabtree is the only one who is more likely to go than stay and for the reason that he has been a relative disappointment.
It can't really mean much, I remember the expectations the Lions had for wins going into last year. Teams change so much.
They are by their very nature out of date in assessing the strength of the teams by the time the new season starts.
Also, it's because you have to play the rest of your division whose records were artificially inflated by getting to play the NFC South and AFC South. Your divisional rivals all have schedules in the top 11.
Similarly you'll spot that the NFC South and AFC South take up all of the bottom 8 spots, since they too get to pay lots of crummy teams twice.
the Vontaze Perfect one is my gift to you, Steved.
the Ray Rice one is my gift to all of you.
Other than FNL, are there any other 'essential' NFL books I should read?
On a bit of binge at the moment it seems, started watching FNL the series and despite it basically being the OC with football in it I am quite enjoying it.
but the ESPN 30 for 30 on Marcus Dupree is great, and on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCgMQfMloWU
youngstown boys and the marinovich project are both also good and on youtube.
It's been besmirched a bit by the rubbish film and Michael Oher being a terrible player, but it's a nice exploration of the evolving role of the left tackle combined with a heart-warming human interest angle.
Posh sportswriter manages to persuade then (then-successful!) Detroit Lions to let him train with them, with hilarious results. Would be amazing to see the equivalent today, when the athletic gulf between players and amateurs must be so pronounced. Even then, when Plimpton was relatively fit and the players were essentially part-timers who had day jobs in the off season, he's still totally outclassed.
Presumably the best they could do seeing as the NFLPA would kick up a fuss if they shot him out of Wisconsin using a catapult.
Also, it's the Combine this week!!1! No, I won't be watching it either (aside from the jiggletastic spectacle of the O-Linemen's 40 yard dash).
Todd Gurley if he's fit? idk
But no, pointy faced belmoid.
I've got two tickets for the NFL UK fan forum event this Friday, with Odell Beckham Jr and Menelik Watson. It's at 7pm round Blackfriars. The thinly veiled isn't super keen, so thought I'd see if someone here fancied being my date...
If my TV didn't have a pair. See you there then. You can take our photo with the man whose jersey I'll be wearing.
New shade of orange, shittier dog logo and a brown facemask.
"The orange is brighter and richer and matches the passion of our fans and city.
The brown is unchanged."
Mind boggling. Always find the NFL draft skills a bit strange though. Like how useful are they really as a metric of physical performance relevant to football?
Nice use of the bar chart for longest jumps to exaggerate how much longer his jump was compared to the others shown.
Lions fail to franchise tag Suh! (GULP). Cowboys tag Bryant! Broncos tag one of the Thomases!
Time to get excited about free agency (oh god still like seven months until football).
And got it to write "FUCK YOU DEVIN MCCOURTY" in the sky above his house. The effect would have been the same.
is that they're never as good outside of his system.
Patriots tag their Kicker!
love a kicker franchise tag
did you go to the ODB fan forum in the end?
Yeah, I saw you HYG!
You'd have been one of the last to get a photo with him had you tried. I missed out. Two people in front of me when they said 'that's all folks'. Put a real dampener on the evening.
"You're Tampa Bay, you're on the clock - who are you taking, Winston or Mariota?"
Menelik Watson went on a five minute rant about what a good guy Winston was. Reynolds seemed quite keen to cut it short tbf :)
but we were right down the front so was tough to tell.
and he knows how good he is, so he took a bet on having a great season and testing the market. He deserves a lot of cash.
Will be interesting to see where he ends up. He's said his agent will decide, so presumably he'll follow the money, and it's known he'd prefer to go to the West Coast (he's from Portland Oregon) and play in a big media market where he can build up his "brand". So Raiders is an obvious choice... but I think he also wants to be on a team with a chance of winning something, so...
Could the restructuring of his contract not have been managed more effectively to avoid such a massive cap number this year?
The Raiders are never an obvious choice.
but I think he's been wanting to get on to the market for a couple of years, because he knows he can get a payday. If he doesn't want to negotiate, there's not much you can do.
The Raiders are one of those teams that HAS to spend a tonne of money to hit the new minimum salary cap spend. They could stock up on decent players. They'd still be the Raiders though.
And they would have had to restructure other contracts just to be able to sign up the draft class.
Flacco Fu Manchu? Place your bets on Indy now for the 2016 Superbowl
That's a proper Madden trade.
YEAR OF THE BILLS
Then they will be a lock for the AFC Championship game.
Bills lose a player who's not as needed if they switch to a 3-4, and get an upgrade on CJ Spiller
Eagles get a super-speedy linebacker one (major) injury removed from a near DROY season, and shift a high-earner with declining production
now go draft Jay Ajayi in the 3rd, Chip, and everyone'll be all Shady Who?
This is fantasy-style trading. Only with defenders too.
Drink it in!
favourite thing about this: to get "elite" you have to be among the 50ish best players in the NFL. PFF being an equal rights employer or something, means we have a punter (Pat McAfee) and a kicker (Justin Fucker) among the 50ish best IN THE NFL. as it should be. #peopletoo
Interesting takeaways for me:
- Harrison Smith is the only elite Viking.
- 9 out of 11 defensive starters (Munnerlyn was a starting corner in base defence, not just a slot guy) rated good or better. Not my words, THE WORDS OF PFF MAGAZINE.
- They need to draft a WR at number 11 in the draft, whichever one of the big three falls to there.
but yeah, slightly more generous, all of which makes the Saints linebacking corps look increasingly hilarious, hi Curtis "Turnstyle" Lofton
Matt Cassel has gone to the Bills
Peyton to take $4 million pay cut to return to Denver
Polamalu gets ultimatum from Steelers: retire or get released :''''(
Eagles are interested in Mark Ingram as Shady's replacement
Andre Johnson has asked to be relesed
Pierre Thomas released by Saints
Colts and Dolphins front runners in the race for Suh with rumours the Dolphins deal is already done.
god knows what's happening at RB with the Saints now; i can't see us paying Mark Ingram given the salary cap-up issue. there are good RBs in the draft but we have so many other issues to deal with in the early rounds.
*Brees takes snap; fakes to Travaris Cadet; looks to pass; throws screen to Cadet, who drops it. Repeat ad nauseum*
What happened to Khiry 'The Next Curtis Martin' Robinson?
still not sure if he's a genuine 3-down back either, just hasn't played enough to tell
he's due for a 10-touchdown season.
It's times like this I appreciate the ruthless boringness of a Bengals off-season. All they've done so far is release vackup guards, DEs and Greg Little.
He could be a good player in the right system.
But as he'll be traded rather than cut it'll have to be a team who can handle his cap hit which is pretty huge I think. Either way I hope he ends up on a team with a decent QB and a shot at a ring.
His cap hit is only an issue if he gets traded, which I guess isn't impossible. Wouldn't imagine he's carrying too much dead money either being a WR in his 30s.
and if/when no-one bites the Texans will cut him. NFL.com has listed almost a third of the league as being potential teams for him:
who..? you may be asking yourself...
He's an aussie rugby league player (full back).. won MVP twice.. so shit hot basically.. will be interesting to see how he adapts.. whether he makes the grade
at the minute theyre talking about running back, punt/kick off returner
I always thought that Jason Robinson could have had a career in the NFL if he'd wanted. Had all the moves, that guy.
First the rugby player, then Darnell Dockett and Jerome Simpson. Presumably they're trying to assemble an onfield circus capable of matching their off-field one.
That is an enjoyably nutso/ballsy trade
I can only see the news about Marshall to the Jets.
wouldn't have made sense to do a player swap; Bears are clearly trying to free up cap space, and Harvin's cap hit is even higher than Marshall's.
Think it's too steep a price. Marshall has lost a step; Jets need speed outside.
Wondering if this is the first part of a plan to send Cutler to New York in exchange for that first rounder and, by association, Mariota. Seems too daft to be true but after Shady Alonso anything seems possible (except the Bengals doing anything of note).
...for the New York media.
Also Shady Alonso is a great name for checking into hotels with; stealing that
And Shady Alonso sounded (marginally) less like a cruise ship drag act.
one last year with Peyton?
Weird to think some of these players might not play next year. Can't remember the NFL without them.
The same arguments I brought up about Bitey Suarez and got roundly pilloried for.
It discusses some interesting points, but I wouldn't say it was a great article.
Packers re-sign Cobb; rest of NFC North (and a whole heap of receiver-needy teams) weep
everyone is resigning with their own teams.
Cornerback market isn't looking as good as it was; Kareem Jackson back in Houston and Brandon Flower back to San Diego too. And we all know Byron Maxwell is going to Philly.
Still the annual Revis watch to come but this was looking like a banner CB FA class, making up for the paucity of talent in this year's draft.
$114 million with $60 million guaranteed in the first 3 years.
Mike Wallace, Branden Albert and Suh are going to take up about $50m of cap room between them, plus whatever Tannehill's new deal will cost. Thought this kind of lunacy was supposed have left with Jeff Ireland.
Jeff Ireland spent a lot of money on numerous players who were coming off a good season and ended up underachieving. The selection of those signings was the problem more than the the policy of spending big in free agency. Mike Wallace will be gone, either this offseason or the next, so he will not be taking up cap room when Tannehill gets his new deal.
Andy Reid reunion party.
Sanchise has starter money, their starting RB is...i have no idea, at WR they have Jordan Matthews and Riley the Racist, and that's it. oh, and Zach "he'll break out next year" Ertz at TE
Chip is going to make Jordan Matthews a star and spaff the lot on Julius Thomas at TE and then every FA DB.
and everyone will realise he is Anquan Boldin mk2.
The System will prevail.
because he's cutting all 'the brothers' :D
McCourty re-ups with New England; 5 years, 47.5mil with 28.5 guaranteed.
Jerry Hughes re-ups with the Bills; 5 years, 45mil with 20 guaranteed
The 49ers ARE NOT trying to trade Kaepernick (I smell a rat here).
Jaguars will probably get Julius Thomas.
The Giants want Roy Helu.
Imagine how confused Julius Thomas will be if he goes to the Jags. He's used to every single pass thrown his way fluttering gently into his arms like a sick pigeon, suddenly when his number's called there'll be passes zinging around at twice the velocity but to an undetermined part of the stadium.
Maxwell says he is definitely going to Philly, Maxwell's agent says he's maybe not!
Aside from the insanity of what they're paying Byron Maxwell* the top 2 RBs on their depth chart will have a combined age of 64 when the season starts.
*The ridiculousness of this deal will probably be tempered by him drafting Ifo Ekpre-Olumu in a late round and him turning out to be awesome.
Frank Gore's full name is Franklin Delano Gore. WHY am I only just finding this out?
Pernell McPhee to the Bears too, where he'll underwhelm his 16million guaranteed contract.
Ted Ginn is going back to Carolina.
49ers apparently bracing for a major event - word is either a Kaep trade or Patrick Willis retirement.
Niners could barely have had a better offseason so far, tbh
as you were
Various rumours they're trying to trade Kaepernick, it looks like Patrick Willis and Justin Smith are retiring and they've already lost
Gore, Iupati, Crabtree, Culliver, as well as Harbaugh.
But even still the Niners seem to have gone into rebuilding mode which is weird after one 8-8 season following 3 straight NFC championship game appearances.
One of the reasons Harbaugh was got rid of (aside from him being an obnoxious khaki-trousered despot) was because him and Greg Roman couldn't get him playing at his 2012-13 level, which Jed York clearly decided was his fault and not Trent Baalke's aversion to offensive playmakers under the age of 30. Even if I didn't think Kaepernick was the paragon of awful I'd question the way they appear to be building the entire team (including the bunch of spineless yes men they've appointed as coaches) around him, getting rid of stalwarts like Gore and Iupati in the process.
One of Evil Bill's more out-there signings.
Somehow he's only 33, must have a few good years left in him I'd have thought?
Reckon he could easily have another 1000 yard season or two if he has the same person throwing him the ball for 16 games (and that person isn't Matt Schaub). Patriots or Colts seem like logical destinations.
Alex Okafor (a Cardinals linebacker apparently) arrested on "suspicion of evading police". I...err...what?
49ers FB Bruce Miller and "spousal battery"
an NFL player involved in a domestic violence case i simply do not believe it
Patriots now want a piece apparently.
Helupoolooza, if you like
As the entirety of my girlfriend's family are Saints fans it seems like I might have less choice in the matter than I imagined. Is this a bit like starting to support Man U in their current shitty throw-money-at-the-problem stage?
fact is we've got not-very-many years of Brees left, and after that, it's quarterback pot luck. plenty of reasons to watch the Saints though!
- Rob Ryan, combining greek god facial hair with a colossus gut
- Jimmy Graham is still great to watch. Brandin Cooks is a great little gadgety WR too
- you'll fully appreciate what a bad secondary looks like
- we're still total underdogs. formed in 1967, we didn't even have a winning season til '87.
- NFC South games. potentially you get to watch Junior Galette jumping on Jameis Winston's head twice this year (domestic violence bans dependent)
- those uniforms are sexy, admit it
(not the DV bit OBVIOUSLY you DICKS)
Would be good to strike up a solid hatred of a team already based on that.
and the general consensus is they'll take Winston, as the most NFL-ready QB.
he's definitely, definitely* going to the Bucs
* unless he does something else wrong before the draft. then it's only probably
That's what matters, right?
Didn't realise Rob Ryan was defensive coordinator there. This is a good response, thanks brusma. Just waiting for lbc or someone to come in and tear me to shreds now.
it's more a Derby or Forest under Brian Clough, or Hellas Verona when they won Serie A with Preben Elkjaer up front.
I can deal with that.
But they are definitely a team on a slow inevitable decline. Ballooning contracts, aging stars...
Plus their D is utterly horrid, even though it should be above average.
for Seattle in the divisional round of the playoffs for the next few years
I don't get the problem, I have no ancestry or family ties to the US. I'm more interested in the game and the players and the personalities than heritage.
Just happens that I have a soft spot for two teams which wavers in strength depending on whether I like who's on the team/what they're doing. That's all. Don't get the problem. If I wanted this kind of partisan bants I'd go to the fucking football thread, I'd like to think we're more sophisticated here ;)
I'd have done the same to get away from that stinky mob
I'm thinking of taking in both an NYJ and a SEA game when in the US this autumn.
how many times are you going to let them do this to you?
as I'm going to see them in October, have had a Jets jersey since I was about 10 that still fits me (XL kids ftw) and reading Collision Low Crossers made me sort of love them. Will just keep it quiet when visiting the in-laws.
if you want more Rex Ryan.
I'm definitely going to be keeping an eye on what's cooking up there.
In the meantime, Dog Bites Clowney (is the name of my new pop punk band)
what's going on with the Falcons off-season?
not feeling too enthused about switching allegiances to the Lions like I'd planned. think I'm going to wait and see how each team looks once all of this business is over.
Falcons seem to be thinking about the pass-rush w/r/t their first draft pick, I just read. Beasley, Gregory, these are the names I've seen? both those guys need to pack on a bit more, though they're both athletic freaks?
help me out, here. I need to spend the off-season doing some homework reading books and playing Madden or something, don't I.
We don't need another miserablist/fantasist around for the recriminations. Stick with the Falcons, you'll appreciate it in the long run.
Even when they had John Abraham it was a joke. Sean Weatherspoon (one of their only two defensive starters I can name) has just signed for the Cardinals, but they've got an ocean of FA money to spend so should be in a good way to replace him.
Bearley is a freak. I reckon the Miami guy might be a better and safer bet, even if less of a force.
No idea who he is, just wanted to type Da'Norris.
Joining another ex bill safety in George Wilson in Tennessee
Because 5 QBs is the new 4 QBs.
Disappointed you got in here before I got chance to use my texas hold 'em joke about 5 qbs
Stockpile all the QBs and then sit back and wait for the trade offers to come in once the season starts and some injuries hit other teams.
Didn't end well.
for bad breath.
with Suh and Fairley next year
St. Louis Rams are shopping Sam Bradford to the Philadelphia Eagles in exchange for signal-caller Nick Foles.
Imagine knowing Gary Kubiak loves you.
it's not too late to pick another team, badmanreturns
No commitments just yet, will see how they use the extra draft pick I guess...
Vaguely sensible deal o'clock already.
I can barely believe it. Not one, but TWO enormous trades.
Think Seattle made out better than some think with the Graham trade. Tempting to link it with the Harvin move but I think it's a little different. Proven big target down the seam even if lacking as a blocker. Seahawks O could be bombs away fun next year. Just have to pray Schneider and Carroll can keep finding value in lower rounds...
Unger was out most of the year and they managed well at centre without him.
The Ngata trade is a little more nuts. Really don't understand Baltimore's logic there.
His cap hit was enormous this year and they can't afford to be paying him, Dumervil and Suggs top dollar.
I'm interested to know if Bradford for Foles was agreed prior to Jake Locker announcing his retirement and therefore making Mariota going 2nd a real possibility. Either the Rams or the Eagles would have to muster up an RG3 style bounty to prize that pick away from the Titans now.
Ngata's been consistently one of if not the best Raven for the last couple years, and while Flacco has a title and had a strong finish to last year, it's a shame this is what it's come down to. How the hell we're going to find another Ngata I've no idea other than uncovering some raw draft talent
both looked very good this year
Reaction has been very positive from what I have read, so not sure what makes you think it hasn't been.
Really not sure.
To be honest any vaguely normal trade looks good for both sides following Chip Kelly's "What's Next's"
Nick Foles and a 5th to the Rams for Sam Bradford, a 2nd and a 4th to the Eagles. 2nd is conditional on Bradford winning the starting QB role apparently.
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON
"The NFL sent memos to several teams Tuesday, telling them to hold on to their phone records because the league will be investigating agreements teams reached with players during the three-day negotiating period"
"At this time, the league office is beginning investigations into a number of reported agreements with clubs. Violations will be dealt with accordingly."
That would be violations of ambiguous rules which NFL Media itself didn't respect when reporting possible deals during that period then.
"You are reminded that the purpose of the three-day negotiating period is to create a level playing field in the competition for Unrestricted Free Agents, by permitting clubs to express interest in a prospective UFA and to exchange information with certified agents regarding the level of compensation envisioned by the club and the agent," the NFL wrote in the memo, according to the website. "Any attempt to undermine the purpose of this negotiating period may be considered conduct detrimental to the League."
Every AFC East team except the Patriots has made big moves thus far, so expect the Patriots to win the division as usual.
good things first:
1) we haven't had a good center in years. De La Puente was average, Goodwin and Lelito worse last year, and Max Unger's a genuinely good center. with two damn fine tackles and a couple of decent guards (especially if we can find an upgrade on Jahri Evans in the draft), that's going to be a heck of an O-Line, which i guess ties to the keeping Mark Ingram
i guess you could say Graham's injury history might be a factor, he's had niggly injuries the last two years, especially last year.
and a first round pick is very valuable, seeing as how shite we are at finding value in the mid-to-low round. our fourth rounder got cut by three teams last year.
BUT. it's still trading away one of the best offensive players in the league, in his prime. it's still trading away our only above-average receiving weapon (no, Cooks and Stills are not there yet). and i don't think we'll draft any WR/TE on the first two days, please Sean Payton do not spend a draft pick on Maxx "future 300 yard receiving season regular" Williams.
best case scenario, we draft Trae Waynes at 13 and he turns out to be able to change direction better than everyone thought, and Denzel Perryman (or Eric Kendricks) at 31 and both pay off big time and go a long way to solving our defense. oh and we pick up Rob Housler in free agency, and the improved O-Line helps Mark Ingram rip a 1500 yard season
worst case scenario: 2014, only more so
because they both have ace names
but he's also often injured and the Seahawks realised they could do without him down the stretch last year.
When did Rob Housler become something more than a punchline? I missed the memo.
it's not ideal to have to run away more, but it's less of an issue if you're Russell Wilson than if you're Drew Brees.
and Housler? meh. he *should* be the same type of TE as Jimmy Graham, he *should* be a mismatch weapon with his speed and height etc. maybe given how well we've done with TEs (not just Jimmy) we've got the coaching set up to make him what he should be? straw, clutching, etc
There are probably only two or three really productive players at the position right now. Unless they play for already strong teams how much damage can they do?
Travis Kelce was the Chiefs passing attack and he played great.
Some good young guns as well, Austin Seferian Jenkins in Tampa, Jace Amaro in New York.
And then Larry Donnell and the Lions' posse of endzone targets.
Seahawks got a lot of production out of their platoon of TEs last year; seemed they were good for one deep reception per game at least. And those kind of plays can turn close games.
but it's hardly an obselete position.
Indy also had good play from its TEs.
#1 - Michael Hoomanawanui
#2 - Tony Moeaki
Greg Olsen in Carolina too. I don't think it's an obsolete position, more that the pass-catching tight end trend has passed its peak. Still think Eifert and Ertz could prove to be excellent and I'm a huge fan of Amaro too.
given that the Ravens get about six mid-round compensatory picks every year normally, given what they've got for Ngata they're basically going be the only team picking from the middle of the 4th to halfway through the 6th rounds
and I literally couldn't close my mouth*. Unprecedented stuff.
*possibly not literally
Which means Pittsburgh won't get any compensatory picks for him and I'm going to need a new fantasy football team name. Jerk.
The Beard is coming to New York!
(referring to this fyi http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/houstontexans/images/a/a2/Cortland-finnegan-andre-johnson-fight.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20101213004958)
Likely to end up back in Cincinnati apparently. Add him to the resignings of Boling and Winston and the successful offloading of Marshall Newhouse and hopefully Jermaine Gresham and this will be the best Bengals free agency in ages.
Eagles get their RB in Ryan Matthews - other than the Bradford/Foles deal I don't think they have made any particularly bad moves this offseason. The Chiefs have overspent on getting Macklin (5 years, $55 million).
multi-headed backfield monster.
That Maclin contract is going to look very silly in about, oh, 9 months. If that's what he wanted then Chip did the right thing letting him go.
Loved the AJ story of him and Frank Gore deciding to join the team so they could win a Superbowl together as Miami Hurricanes.
Apparently Mathews no longer signing.
I love Kelly's free agency strategy of reaching out to EVERYONE at once. It's like he thinks he's recruiting.
It would be ridiculous for the Eagles to pay for Murray AND Matthews instead of for just one of them and a rookie in the draft. I can't see Jerry Jones being prepared to lose Murray to the Eagles unless he had something more enticing in place e.g. Adrian Peterson.
And their receivers are currently Matthews, Cooper and...? Think they need to draft a bruising workhorse back too, as a bruise is usually enough to keep Mathews out for a month and Sproles isn't a 20 carry per game player.
The fact that they have more needs still to be addressed doesn't mean they have done badly so far. It is a deep draft for running backs so they should be able to find someone suitable if they feel it is necessary..
I'm rapidly exhausting my stock of in our time, I wouldn't mind some football stuff to have a crack at.
Someone recommended it to me the other day, not football specific but seems pretty decent.
but I'm a big fan of some of the NFL media ones - The Dave Dameshek Football Programme (fun chat and interviews with players), Around The NFL Podcast (news and analysis with some mirth), and Move The Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah (a former scout's take on NFL happenings which is very informative).
I've listened to the PFF ones a few times and they're alright, the guys there clearly know their onions.
Seabass is up to $45m so far. And how Eli is ahead of Tom "GOAT" Brady I do not know.
Enough to buy a literal Revis island. I hear Mauritius is nice.
the rest is covered by Darelle Revis
Because another expensive free agent is exactly what the doctor ordered in New Orleans.
He asked N.O to fully guarantee his contract or release him (as he know's he'll be a cap casualty next year) and instead they signed Browner.
The Steelers are in dire need of corners and have already lost Brice McCain to the Dolphins so giving up a 4th round pick for Lewis would be a smart move.
Which means St Louis now have 7 first round picks on defense and 5 on the DL.
Rams, Dolphins, Bills all ridiculously stacked
because he was behind an awesome run blocking O-line by signing Darren McFadden to be his replacement.
Incentive based contract reduces risk for them and gives him the chance to step up and become a longer term solution.
...swapping Kenny Stills for Dannell Ellerbe and a 3rd round pick. Saints look like getting CJ Spiller, and the Dolphins sign Jordan Cameron after him apparently being less impressed with the QB situation in Cleveland.
Charles Clay and the Dolphins' game of brinkmanship ended with the Browns being deprived of their only reasonable receiver.
Practically given away by the Miami just to get his salary (and ego) off their team.
Percy Harvin joins the Rex Ryan revolution in Buffalo. Which AFC East team is going to be the biggest disappointment next season?
Happy with that, he's cheap and will make a nice backup to Bell. Doesn't seem to be a complete tosser like Blount was either
A steal at $20m for 4 years, plus the 3rd round compensatory pick they're going to get for him. Means that they can focus on a solid DT in the draft as well.
He's only a slight upgrade over Jennings imo and not the number 1 receiver that they need. I worry that they will pass on Parker because of this.
Jennings was kind of screwed over by having bad QB play throughout his tenure in Minny. He's still got the moves and scored some TDs when Teddy turned it on last year. Unfortunately Charles Johnson developed well and is significantly cheaper, so it was Cutsville, USA for Greg.
He had 10 TDs last year and showed glimpses of his Steeler days form but I'd still be pretty afraid of his attitude problems plus he's on that ridiculous contract.
Jennings still has a few good years left in him. He's always seemed like he'd make a good pundit when he retires too.
Reckon there'd be room for him there if he hadn't.
Wallace was effective for Miami without ever providing a deep threat (due to Tannehill and him not connecting on deep throws), so he is a more well rounded WR than he is generally given credit for.
Now I am beginning to see Chip's plan.+
as Chris Borland retires at the grand old age of 24
Chris Borland retiring because he doesn't want his brain reduced to mushy goo - sensible
Jason Worilds retiring because he wants to have many doors, all over america, literally slammed in his face - you wot m8
I thought they gave that up to stand outside train stations instead?
most enterainingly though, the only ones standing near the train station (and near the supermarket) all have leaflets only in Lithuanian or Russian (or Bulgarian, not sure). they look just as creepy as ever though
Possibly being melodramatic here but this is not good for the future of the sport.
between players looking out for their health and also wanting to make money (and you know, "the love of the game" and all that). You would think that if it something that even young players like Borland are conscious of, it would have manifested itself before he ever went pro? College players are exposing themselves to the same risks, with none of the rewards - unless that's it, they want a year of making some money for their efforts.
I think Barnwell wrote about this last week, and said overall it was a good thing for the sport - young, exciting players, who get out before horrible things happen, and has the bonus of meaning clubs never have to pay them much which they're chuffed about (hmm). League looks cleaned up, owners make more money.
Most people would struggle to walk away from millions of dollars. I can definitely see a future where players who've made their fortunes retire much earlier than they ordinarily would have though.
Frank Gore, Mike Iupati, Stevie Johnson, Michael Crabtree, Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Dan Skuta, Chris Borland, Perrish Cox and Chris Culliver, plus Bruce Miller and Ray Macdonald may start the year suspended and the head coach and both co-ordinators have all left. Poor old pointy face just can't catch a break.
And you're embroiled in a child abuse scandal which has placed your entire career in jeopardy. How do you celebrate your 30th birthday?
If you said "by holding a lavish party to which I shall arrive aboard a camel", congratulations! You're Adrian Peterson.
I can't see him staying in Minnesota tbh. Every noise from Peterson's camp seem to be angling for a move out of Minny (even before his cuntery took place, which everyone forgets), and although the organisation have kept their options open by saying they want him back there are blatantly people there who don't want the PR headache.
The Vikings have said they won't release him though, which means a trade. And I'm not sure there's anyone who will pick up his massive contract and give up compensation. Dallas were the most likely but then they signed Greg Hardy. I'm not sure they'd want two PR disasters. Arizona maybe, but Peterson has always been dead set on a move back to Texas.
I want him gone anyway, I can't get behind him any more :'(.
on with Adrian Peterson at the moment. His agent is doing a lot of posteuring and I'm wondering if he's asking for more money.
I don't know how Peterson can be annoyed at the Vikings really. It all came during a really bad time, because of Rice and there was nothing they could do.
just generally. they're weird. there's one on the NFL website that's suggesting Mariota to the Saints. aye, right.
but they'll definitely wait for a year given how rubs this class is for QBs
also you'll have to assume that the Titans, Jets, Bears, Rams don't want a QB and no-one (hi Cleveland) wants to trade up for him
i swear half the time these things they just decide "TODAY I AM GOING TO DO A DRAFT WHAT HAPPENS IF LEONARD WILLIAMS SLIPS TO THE CARDINALS AT 24" and just do that. fine if that's what you're doing, but SAY YOU ARE
I will be fuming if we do. So many good pass rushers at the top of the draft we need desperately, or Landon Collins
They need one of everything except a running back. Can see them going for whichever one of Kevin White and Amari Cooper doesn't go to Oakland. From what I've read (haven't done much draft research yet) Landon Collins would be a reach at 7th anyway.
The theory went that Brees is now both too past his prime and too heavy on the cap (who have a tonne of cap issues), and that keeping him long term means a) never really competing, and b) preventing them from properly rebuilding. So they suggested the nuclear option was to ship him to someone needing a starter like the Jets in exchange for a draft spot where they can take Mariota.
That wasn't the only reach though. They were also talking about rumblings in San Diego that Rivers isn't happy, doesn't want to go to LA, and could be sent to Tennessee where Whiesenhunt would love to have him, in exchange for the Bolts jumping up the draft and taking Mariota.
I hope both the Saints and Chargers make these rash moves only for one of them to lose out. That would be amazing.
so ner *thumbs nose*
Hmm, we've traded away everyone our QB throws to and he doesn't like it. Let's trade him away too!
Can't be arsed to find details but it was on one of the sidelines towards the EZ, and was around 55 quid I think.
Send me a personal PM message and we'll make a date.
The personal PM message bit still applies though.
Arena Football is back tonight!!
Need to pick a new team now that Pittsburgh Power aren't in it this year (not that I actually followed them before)
So hopefully there'll be some streams online; might have to use a VPN too
FAO Pittsburgh or Fantasy fans
so hopefully it'll go down to just two.
I've got a hunch we'll play the season opener in New England so if that's one of the games Bell misses at least they won't have Blount either.
Troy Polamalu is retiring.
He was going to be cut if he didn't retire anyway and he hasn't looked himself for a while now so it's definitely for the best.
and as you say he hasn't looked himself for a while, this is a big shame all the same, he's such an enigmatic player and would be a joy to watch had it not been quite regularly at the cost of my team
I'm chaining the Grantland, Around the NFL and even a bit of Moving the Sticks podcasts, but all it's doing is making me miss the real stuff even more.
Now to watch loads of film and form half-baked opinions on players I hadn't heard of until about a month ago.
In crime/name related news, did we all see that Aqib Talib's brother is called Yaqub?
Really not a fan of them saying "Cleveland" across the front; reminds me of those generic jerseys made by FUBU or something in the 90s.
Don't know why they changed them, theirs were some of the best in the league.
I love that one of the guys on Gogglebox wears a Manziel Browns Jersey too.
(according to CNN http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/15/us/aaron-hernandez-verdict/
Something about the Patriot Way.
"During closing arguments, prosecutors also accused Hernandez of pulling the trigger, though under the law it was not necessary to prove who fired the shots to convict him."
"Hernandez's lawyer, James Sultan, acknowledged for the first time during closing arguments that Hernandez was there when Lloyd was killed."
Seeing as he didn't even need to have pulled the trigger to be convicted, that can't really have helped. Top lawyering.
And he's the... law talking... guy!
The sound was down, but I think I got the gist of it.
Often as a lawyer!
Murder One! Wow! Even if I lose, I'll be famous!
Say hello to Miguel Sanchez!
I'm really tempted!
was that Hernandez is being charged for another murder in a drive-by shooting from 2012. Good lord, if he's guilty, he's gonna be in prison for a long time
Or is this one of those things where life isn't actually life?
He's also apparently serving his time in a prison only 1.5 miles from Gillette stadium: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCpNF5jUkAAgr92.jpg
Just if he is found guilty for the other charge, I wonder if he would ever get out.
That is amazing that he's that close to it
Cincinnati QB Munchie Legaux.
I'm hoping that Munchie is short for something even funnier e.g. Munchford.
But would you draft someone called Benton? I certainly wouldn't.
*Tiny quarterback in the distance chases the deers into the horizon*
the other Louisville Safety who's not Holliman.
substituting reading endless draft coverage in an ultimately doomed attempt to satisfy the cravings?
I have been withdrawn from all NFL sanctioned events until further notice.
A bit of going through my fantasy keepers for the 15th time, a bit of reading endless pointless NFL.com lists, lots of staring at the calendar. Might shoot my bluntmaster out the back of Meadowhall retail park tonight, see if that relieves the tedium.
with endless headlines that are entirely indistinguishable from lies.
PETERSON TRADED TO COWBOYS *clicks through* says rumour reported by terrible website nobody would ever visit deliberately
*throws phone at a swan*
It did it to me the other day regarding Rivers to Tennessee.
Hardly done any draft revision this year, I need to get on that. Although I normally forget everything about it the minute the draft finishes.
Why don't you give us a top 50 prospects list that we can poke holes in, Brusmer.
i wonder if say they agonised over whether to put someone at #217 or #218. literally how can you pull up a list like that. other than badly
there's no way that you, lay person over there, can have watched *and then broken down* enough college game to have a strong disagreement with what mike mayock says, so you can't really win
What does being that informed actually achieve beforehand for fans? Beyond a general interest in how the first round of the draft plays out, speculating on what could happen in subsequent rounds feels like it would be a wasted effort. I can investigate the players drafted by my team in those rounds after they have been drafted.
Seeing as I've never played American Football I don't necessarily understand why certain things are important and others aren't, so it's good to read what draft analysts say about people then watch film and see how it relates.
I was reading the other day about how Ty Sambrailo's stock is falling because people think his arms are too short for an offensive tackle. I watched some footage and you can see it translate to him struggling against speed rushers because he can't wrap them up the same way a bigger player could (as per https://youtu.be/4o_Y55imcqo?t=156). It's proper nerdery admittedly, but with the football season petering out it's more interesting than reading whether or not Mariota can play in a pro offense or whether Winston's off field character is a concern.
But yeah, unless you're actually going to be drafting these people I don't really care which middle linebacker is 43rd best in the draft.
Nothing is more tedious before the draft than speculating over whether a QB can play in a pro offense. This is the worst draft I can remember for any team needing a QB so at least the discussion surround this position in less prominent this year.
The 'experts' are very hit and miss in judging players. Predicting when a player will be drafted does not provide an indication of whether or not that player will succeed in the NFL. It is interesting to read about the criteria by which draft analysts rate players, although there is no evidence to suggest it is any more effective than going with gut instinct so I wouldn't get too carried away with its significance.
EJ Manuel 16th overall
Geno Smith 39th
Mike Glennon 73rd
Matt Barkley 98th
Ryan Nassib 110th
I shan't go on.
Seriously though, expectations at that draft were not as low as they are this year. Three of those QBs started in their first year - it seems pretty unanimous this year that there are only two QBs capable of being starters immediately (maybe ever).
It's impressions, projections. And It's kinda fun. It gets me into watching the college game and watching some tape of these guys.
new one up today (ish?), not sure I can bear it.
Mays seems really easy going and down to earth, and understands a podcast is meant to be a big bantery, throw in some weird opinions and personal stuff to keep it fun and engaging. Then Barnwell is like this stats quoting robot who won't let anything go.
Mays (trying to move the show along): "Yeah, maybe you're right, I just can't help liking McCown though. Anyway..."
Banrwell: "There's no reason to like McCown. Among all eligible quarterbacks who threw for five games or more he..."
LET IT GO BARNWELL.
I've really got into the Around the NFL podcasts, but they're so bantery. I want to go garage drinking with Chris Wessling.
I think I need to watch them when I listen to accurately divy them up.
They have a bit of an over-excited teenagers thing going on.
Hanzus - host, bit chunky
Wessling - bald, southern
Rosenthal - youngish-sounding nasal one
Sessler - the other one
PFF's coverage looks decent...
Stephen White's breakdowns are good. Also always enjoy SI's 64 by Chris Burke and Doug Farrar, makes you go and watch the film yourself.
I missed Tebowmania first time around, so glad I get to be here for the resurrection.
I just hope he gets to the regular season and they don't cut him during pre-season.
What a QB room that is though, Bradford, Sanchez, Barkley and Tebow. Gotta say, it looks kinda good for Tebow to actually become starter.
working with Brady's coach etc to improve his mechanics. Stick him in the system, let him do his thing.
will be interesting to see how much he has changed
he'll only beat out Bradford if Bradford gets another career ending injury
he's already tried and failed to beat Sanchez once
but yeah if he can't beat out Matt "even my arm is stronger than yours" Barkley then he should never be allowed to throw a football again
and b) WHAT IS CHIP KELLY DOING?
Bradford has played hardly any games over the last couple of seasons due to injury. Bradford is also coming off of an ACL tear. Kelly maybe sees Bradford as the starter, I don't. I think he has the skills, absolutely, but he doesn't have the body, he's too injury prone.
Sanchez is Sanchez. He's better than people make him out to be, but he only kept ahead of Tebow at the Jets, because they wanted Geno or Sanchez to start. Tebow was a gadget guy to the Jets.
Barkley, I have no idea about really, I haven't seen any of his training or pre-season work, so it's difficult for me to assess him. But these are the reasons why I think this is a fairly good opportunity for him.
There is quite literally NO CHANCE that Tebow gets on the squad, let alone a starting gig. He was completely terrible when he played and he hasn't played for years.
Even the games he was good, he was terrible. Like this game, where he completed two passes and they somehow won.
total 209 yards passing, only one throw resulting in over 20 yards, no 100 yard rusher
Couple of weeks on a practice squad in October.
Back to his cosy ESPN studio in time for College Bowl season.
Repeat 'til fade.
Keeps the media distracted with Tebow, leaving Chip Kelly to quietly lead the actual players in an unstoppable march to the playoffs. The mistake the Jets made was actually letting Tebow get on the field occasionally. Keep your distractions on the sideline - the idea is to distract everyone else, not your own players.
The payoff at the end is worth it
Pick 3 players who you would like your team to draft with their top pick.
Vikings (pick 11):
- Davante Parker (WR) - seems like a pretty complete WR. Smooth, fast, big and good after the catch. Also, Teddy BH2O's college team mate. Would form a dynamite WR combo with Mike Wallace.
- Brandon Sherff (OL) - every team seems to have a position that is routinely ignored in the draft despite being a huge need. Minny's is LG. Get this guy in there and he'll make the whole line better. Part of me wonders if the reason Matt Kalil struggled so much last year at LT was because Charlie Johnson was stinking up the joint next to him.
- Trae Waynes (CB) - the consensus top corner in the draft. Xavier Rhodes made the leap last year but they need a guy opposite him as Captain Munnerlyn has a great name and not much else.
If Parker is still on the board he would be an excellent pick, and if not Waynes would probably have more impact than Sherff. There will still be useful WRs available in later rounds. Should the Vikings consider RB in the first round (assuming Peterson is not still there next season)?
He'd be win-win at 11. Either he plays guard and Matt Kalil starts to look like a player again or Kalil goes full Oher and Scherff takes his place at OT.
Don't think he'll last past the Giants at 9 though.
I fully expect Scherff to be overdrafted this year because of how well Zach Martin did last year and how much that has been publicised. People appear to have swung over, en masse, to the belief that good interior O-lineman can be big difference makers.
it's just obviously a part of the current NFL consciousness.
Great players to have on the roster, but for a first round pick I want a player who has established themselves without question as excelling in one specific position.
they really like Jerick McKinnon who was a third round pick last year and regarded as a bit of a project coming into the NFL. I think that they expect him to be the guy if Peterson isn't around, so if they draft an RB it will be later on in the draft.
I haven't seen a mock draft get a Pittsburgh pick right in my 10 years as a fan so researching all the players projected as coming to us feels like a waste of time really.
Everyone seems certain that Pittsburgh go for a CB at #22, so the consensus seems to be that Kevin Johnson will be the pick, maybe Trae Waynes is he's still there.
I've said a bunch of times on here that I still think the Steeler defense puts pass rush over secondary so I wouldn't be surprised if they take an OLB if a guy they like is still available. The problem with that is that the best OLBs (Beasley, Dupree) will all be gone by then. Tomlin had dinner with Danielle Hunter and the team is supposed to be quite high on him but he's seen as a 2nd round or later pick which makes a CB in the 1st round all the more likely.
Except he's 75 so you could probably say it to his face
- Trae Waynes (CB) - did you see how bad we were at cornerback last year? no because NONE OF THEM WERE EVER EVEN IN THE FRAME (except keenan lewis)
- Bud Dupree or Shane Ray (pass-rusher) - if they're still on the board. they won't be. our pass rush isn't very good, which doesn't help when your secondary is poop
- DeVante Parker (WR) - oh yeah did you notice our elite pass catching tight end and WR2 both got traded this off season
would also not object to someone like Scherff after Ben Grubbs got traded. we also need an ILB. in fact, five picks in first three rounds: please pick 1 CB, 1 Pass Rusher, 1 Ball Catcher, 1 ILB, 1 guard. thx
Good speed, size and physicality but no quickness/change of direction at all and relies too much on recovery speed. Also a bit handsy, you could have the Legion of Pass Interference with Browner...
he didn't time well at the combine but still.
i don't think a CB would be plug and play. although we usually play a 3CB system there's still last year's second-rounder Stanley Jean-Baptiste for him to compete with. AND as a CB3 he'd generally be up against, y'know, the Marqise Lees and Louis Murphys of this world
but i think we'll take a pass-rusher
He could come in as the outside corner but then someone else plays nickel for you, and all your corners are big, physical, speed guys.
Maybe you'll go back to more zonal 3 safety looks, Vaccaro as the shallow nickel defender with Byrd as deep safety and another DB playing buzz
In truth there aren't a huge amount of needs in Cincinnati, which is good because they won't need to reach but less good because they could end up going for a project who won't contribute for years to come. I'd be happy with:
- Ereck Flowers, OT (Miami) - I think this might be the year they look at drafting Whitworth's replacement (although Big Whit's only 33 and still has a couple of good years left), partly because other team's needs mean that players who would be top 10 quality in a lot of other drafts will be available later. Flowers is a big, wide tackle who's quick and strong enough to both protect the blind side and contribute to the run game.
Malcolm Brown, DT (Texas) - An uncommonly good year for defensive tackles, there are about 5 first rounders who I'd be happy with. Domata Peko looks to be on the way out and I don't fancy Pat Sims, Devon Still or Brandon Thompson to do much in the way of replacing him. Brown's the kind of player who can swallow double teams and make space for Atkins, Dunlap and Johnson to break through the line. I'd be equally happy with Eddie Goldman here.
Eric Kendricks, Linebacker (UCLA) - My utter disdain for Rey Maualuga isn't something anyone at the Bengals seems to share, but if someone has a moment of clarity Kendricks would be a magnificent pickup. In 2014 he recorded (deep breath) 149 tackles, 11.5 tackles for a loss, four sacks, two passes broken up, three interceptions and one forced fumble. Him in Burfict in the same team would be magnificent.
I think they'll also address tight end quite early, but Maxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Williams isn't a first round prospect and isn't much of a blocker which will turn Hue right off. They look more likely to go for Clive (CLIVE!) Walford in the 2nd or 3rd round, who looks both a more solid blocker and capable of being the 6 yard checkdown Dalton needs when it all starts to go a bit wrong.
I reckon you'll go OT. Likely to be best player available and fits a need, even if not an immediate one.
Think it'll largely depend on who's available. Apparently the staff like La'el Collins and they always draft someone from LSU (although last year it was Jeremy Hill so I'm not complaining), but if someone like Danny Shelton or one of the top level edge rushers falls a long way I can see them being tempted.
and he's not exactly a double team eater. He's got the size but he's not strong, more quick and aggressive.
Is he a lost cause already?
this one's to replace Jermaine Gresham?
Managed one quarter of the season opener before dislocating his elbow, hurt his shoulder while recovering and wasn't seen again. Someone on SBNation helpfully extrapolated that quarter over a whole season and worked out that he was on course for over 2000 yards receiving, so there's that to look forward to next year.
Amari Cooper (WR, Alabama) : - good like for like replacement for Brandon Marshall, would slot in nicely opposite Alshon Jeffery and is incredibly polished coming out.
Best Edge Rusher Available :- Dante Fowler will probably be gone by the time we draft, but any of Randy Gregory, Vic Beasley and Bud Dupree would be available, fill a need and be potentially brilliant. Gregory's the most obviously boom/bust. I'd probably take Beasley if all 3 were available
Marcus Mariota (QB, Oregon) :- unlikely to be there when we draft but if he is it would be incredibly tempting to grab him. probably moot and I guess we'll take someone like Hundley or Petty in the third, but could be very interesting if he falls to us
Smaller, quicker, cleverer more of a 'technician' rather than a size speed hands nightmare like Marshall was. Good pick though if he falls that far. I'd reckon you'll have a shot at Kevin White. You could even go OT though..
no way Mariota gets there.
Could see you going
Cooper would be a good replacement for Marshall in terms of expected production rather than playing style.
I can easily see Mariota being available for Chicago, and even falling much lower than that.
I think the media might be hyping him like they did Jonny F last year.
or that Chip Kelly will pull off an epic trade to move up and take him. Something like this:
You either want a reliable, Pro Bowl level guy like Rivers or a super-promising newcomer, not an oft-injured question mark. I understand that the draft picks would come in handy, but if I were a fan I'd be pissing blood to swap Rivers for Bradford.
but the rumours that Rivers wants out of SD aren't really going away so maybe Bradford is the Chargers best option if he's made it clear he won't play for them again.
Or maybe the Titans want Rivers in which case it could just be a straight swap with SD and Chip doesn't get to play fantasy football anymore.
This could lead a desperate team to reach for him, but I'm not convinced he is any more likely so succeed than Geno Smith was (and the Jets owner isn't convinced either).
where there was Cam and then a bunch of scrubs. Mariota is better than Locker et al but he could still be overdrafted because of desperate teams.
if they don't take him and fail to pull a trade for picks to get someone else to take him at #2
I like this kid a lot. He's got great intangibles and a high ceiling
Time for some combine tests?
after I posted a 4.7 forty at my pro day.
12 feet to beat I think, which is, what, 3m 60? Doddle.
Hroniss Grasu - mobile, athletic centre who could be a fit in a zone scheme. might be more of a R3 pick than R2 though. Needs to add muscle and strength but he played in the Oregon system which is athletically and mentally demanding. Plus he has a name like a Bond villain or some kind of extinct deer.
Guard could be a good move too, if A.J. Cann is there he's the pick, otherwise Ali Marpet is a good fit with his mobility. Tomlinson from Duke is maybe the best guard and would maybe be around but his strengths aren't a fit for a zone scheme.
Dorial Green Beckham - Heard a lot of talk about him sliding as teams are worried about his rawness and immaturity (on field rather than off field). Can see Seattle trading up if he really starts to slide. They really like him apparently, and Carroll's coaching style would seem to be conducive to getting the best out of him.
Heard some whispers of CB, but I think that'll be a R3 R4 target where we have a ton of picks, there'll be some good value there... smaller corners with injury/size flags like Ifo Ekepre Olumu, Kevin White from TCU (who I watched shutdown the far larger Kevin White of WVU live last year) Steven Nelson from Oregon State (who l really really like after having watched some cutups inspired by PFF) and Senquez Golson from Ole Miss who balled out all year. All of these fit the need at nickel with Jeremy Lane out and returning to health with that horrid arm injury and a further knee injury.
favourite name of the draft. not the silliest. not the funniest. but just the most aesthetically pleasing. a wonderful combination of letters and sounds
we discussed this (in my head)
or the best pass rusher on the board. Fowler is the best fit. Beasley a close second.
What's your thoughts on your teams schedule?
For the Panthers, I think it's one of our easiest schedules in years. Going into the bye, we should be at least 3-1. The next 4 games are super tough and I would hope we can win at the very least 1, if not 2 of those. Then the rest of the season I see about 5-6 wins. So yeah, I think 9-7 or 10-6 is very doable this year and that is being conservative.
that all the NFC South teams seem to have quite easy looking strength of schedule. can't for the life of me work out why
the NFC South twice
(i was being facetious initially, sorry)
opening @ Denver again. Ugh. Shouldn't be quite as bad as last time (i.e they're not after revenge from us on our way to a title) otherwise, pretty standard stuff, we are in a tough division, play the usual other AFC teams we end up paired with (San Diego, Miami and Jacksonville, lol).
Three trips to the West Coast early on is quite brutal mind (Oakland, San Fran & Arizona) but at least we have Seattle coming to us
On the road at the Chargers to open won't be easy (so here's hoping they do actually trade for Bradford or something else stupid), and hosting Broncos and away at Seahawks back to back will be a write-off. At least we get Lambeau out of the way relatively early, but we end with 3 of 4 on the road, which will be a grind. Four prime time games too, which means more late nights that usual.
On the plus side, they're at home with the Bears on October 18th when I'm tentatively hoping to be in Detroit, so fingers crossed for that.
Initial feeling is that it's not too bad.
Week 11 bye, which I don't mind. Rather have it later than sooner.
Only one set of back-to-back road games and those are against NFC South opponents. No stretch like our Cowboys/Colts/Seahawks/49ers/Cowboys of last season.
Starting out at Dallas is pretty rough and they get a bye leading into the game at Metlife whilst we play on Monday night.
That apart it's all pretty nicely balanced.
Outside in Minnasota just after christmas won't be too nice. Similarly, glad we play in Buffalo in October and not later.
I hate that NFL media have tried to turn this into an 'event'. We knew the opponents months ago.
I can handle the draft and even the combine, but this... come on now.
Opening at New England with a suspended LeVeon Bell won't be pretty and I don't fancy our chances in Seattle (although we haven't conceded a point to them since Super Bowl XL). The only easy games on paper aside from the Browns is the Raiders who we haven't beaten since 2010.
But all of this probably suits the Steelers who have lost to a lot of bad teams in the last few seasons. Last time they had the toughest schedule they won the Super Bowl so I'll expect nothing less this year.
Good thing that the 'toughest' schedule in the league has a rather dubious basis in how it is determined.
Within the contraints of their rules. 4 people then decided between them, which is the best.
- Miami play 7 of their first 9 games next season on the road (one of those is technically a 'home' game at Wembley).
- Since 2002 Buffalo have played more teams coming off a longer break (either bye-week or Thursday game) than any other team. This happens for 3 of their first 5 games next season.
It is almost as if the league wants to ensure that the Patriots win the AFC East each year.
What do you all think of this?
I think it's a bit mental really giving him that much. I know they want to get stricter with punishment, but even that's too much. Considering the fact the appeal did not go through, it's too much. Including that other players who have done much worse (Big Ben) got less.
ESPN have Ravens at 9-7: http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/19436/game-by-game-predictions-baltimore-ravens
But I think we beat either San Diego at home and/or Miami away so I think we'll be at least 10-6 personally.
@ Dallas L
@ Buffalo L
San Fran W
@ Philly L
@ New Orleans L
@ Tampa Bay W
New England W
@ Washington W
@ Miami L
@ Minnesota L
10-6, which seems optomistic. Lets call it 9-7 and lose one of the home games v Dallas/Philly
Same as always.
though someone rounded up lead beat writers for all the opponents and their predictions, which put them up at 11-5.
Week 1: at San Diego Chargers L
Week 2: at Minnesota Vikings W
Week 3: vs. Denver Broncos L
Week 4: at Seattle Seahawks L
Week 5: vs. Arizona Cardinals L
Week 6: vs. Chicago Bears W
Week 7: vs. Minnesota Vikings W
Week 8: vs. Kansas City Chiefs W
Week 10: at Green Bay Packers L
Week 11: vs. Oakland Raiders W
Week 12: vs. Philadelphia Eagles L
Week 13: vs. Green Bay Packers W
Week 14: at St. Louis Rams L
Week 15: at New Orleans Saints W
Week 16: vs. San Francisco 49ers W
Week 17: at Chicago Bears W
9 - 7
It probably won't take long to work out the general gist though. Tough opening stretch.
And I can't really argue with many of the predictions - http://espn.go.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/13471/game-by-game-predictions-pittsburgh-steelers
They mostly say that every game will be a shootout with Pittsburgh coming out on top against all but the best teams. I could see us beating St Louis in week 3 and Arizona at home could go either way but 9-7 is probably about right.
making the 6th seed tie-break pretty mind boggling even here in April
Obviously you can only project how well Teddy B is going to do in his second season, and the presence of Peterson will make a huge difference. If everything pans out they can do the above and beat the Lions at least once.
I'm going to say that the Vikings go 10-6, 2nd in the NFC North and enough for the 6th seed.
All is well in the universe.
could look like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SdIYysJ3aA
Guy has a Superb Owl ring!
He was about the only good part of last years Hard Knocks on his ranch and he caught a touchdown at Wembley last year.
Or will I have to torrent it?
I just watch it online the day after it's on in the US though
it's 2 days away!!